north atlantic crossing

[hawker4000jet]

Hello guys,
there are any european company that use hawker 800 or 800xp or 850
to go in usa?if so what do you use the NAT or the random route?
thank you

[jetopa]

Depends pretty much on where you want to go. I don't know your Hawker's range etc., but my best guess would be to use either Goose Bay (CYYR) or Gander (CYQT) as fishpoint and then directly to England or, if your destination is on continental Europe, via Shannon (EINN) or Glasgow (EGPF).
In my LJ35 we used to fly from Goose via Keflavik (BIKF) on Iceland and from there pretty to anywhere in Europe...

Get somebody who's routinely filing flight plans across the pond to do it for you. It's not the transatlantic part that's difficult, in Europe there are many restrictions regarding the airways you have to use or cannot use or only can use in a certain direction or certain days of the week etc. That's where the fun part starts...

Try those guys in Germany: www.fsint.de (http://www.fsint.de) or by mail directly to: [email protected]. They do a lot of planning for overseas customers in Europe. Good luck and enjoy!

[4144r]

Hi Hawker 4000
Idid one time this flight from Zurich to Goose bay then Toronto with an old 800b. Easy flight, Zurich - Reykjavik : 3.6h Reykjavik - Goose bay : 3.2h standart route no RVSM . We used for this flight a trip kit from Jet Aviation Zurich, very usefull. Don't worry with a jet it's not a problem. I did the reverse route with a C208, few years ago, it's really an other story.
Take care, happy landing:cool:

[NorskAir]

If you are going east Gander-Shannon is a pretty easy crossing in the Hawker, you are most likely going to end up at FL370 if the tracks are in effect. Westbound the winds are to strong 80% of the time to go Shannon-Gander with comfortable fuel reserves (and no wet footprint) so you will end up routing via Iceland.

[NO 7]

Prestwick is also an excellent tech stop for NAT crossings and has first class facilities.
If you are interested in seeing how the oceanic operation works the ladies and gents at Shanwick are but a 5 minute drive from the airport and I've always found them most hospitable and willing to do a guided tour.:D

[hawker4000jet]

East bound not problem.
West bound we are thinking london-greenland, greenland-minneapolis,
minneapolis-l.a.
what do you think?
thank you

[suchiman]

?????...... Interesting!

[NorskAir]

London-BGSF-KMSP is not a bad option, about a 3:45 leg EGGW-BGSF and 4:10 BGSF-KMSP. Sondre Stromfjord weather can be fickle with the closest alternate 300-400NM away (CYFB or BGBW).

[lemay]

If you want to take Minneapolis as an airport of entry (for immigration and customs), then upon arrival in LA you + your guests are much faster on their way. Smart idea.

But if this is not a consideration, then consider Sault St. Marie CYAM) or Thunder Bay (CYQT) in Canada, just north of Lake Michigan. Refuelling procedures are fast there.:ok:

[hawker4000jet]

hi guys,thank you.
now what about east bound,there are any problem using the NAT?
never did so i worry a little. i will file for mach .75.
my question is ATC will give you what you file (speed and altitude)
or they might change?
because the hawker is great plane but is not very fast.
thank you again.
please feel free to PM

[NorskAir]

I have never had a problem with them accomodating us on the tracks, you might not get the altitude you want due to your speed. We always plan on 5000' below optimum for the crossing. They excpect you be at altitude on speed at the coast out point (fishpoints), if you are unable to do that notify them as soon as possible/
Remember the temperatures usually run at least ISA +10.

Duluth is also a great entry point coming westbound, reasonable fuel, quick customs and great service.

[Flintstone]

Ensure that you have revised ALL procedures for the crossing including position reporting (R/T) and calling CANPASS in time. In my last company an aircraft was refused their oceanic clearance because they didn't know what they were doing. Pretty embarrassing :\

[L'Argonauta]

If you fly from europe tu US be aware of customs procedures!
Last time i got a fee in White Plains because i didn't call them to notify that i had one more passenger and i arrived one hour before the ETA...they were very upset!!!
I was coming from Canada and i thought that Canada and Us was almost the same place!!:zzz:

[LEVEL490]

I used to have a hard time in White Plains too. It seemed like the guys at
customs just loved to bust your balls:ugh:.
Anyway, we had a looooong chat with them and ended up with the procedure of always calling ahead, and checking our paperwork against theirs. I.e. passport numbers and passenger details.
Now it works pretty smooth and customs are even friendly to us.:ok:

Have a good trip

[emmad]

The Minneapolis stop is a little south of the direct route. However, the customs folks there are good to deal with. I have never encountered the typical US Customs attitude there. You clear at the Humphrey terminal on the south side of the airport and will have to reposition (about 3-4 minute taxi) to Signature to refuel (unless that has changed...you used to not be able to fuel at the terminal ramp). Call Signature, they will know.

A better alternative is International Falls (KINL). It is 95 miles further than the great circle route BGSF-KLAX. You have to call ahead to set it up but I cleared there several years ago and they were good to deal with. Another option along that route is Great Falls, MT (KGTF). Still another advance notice customs location.