more union power at base ??

[sisyphos]

question regarding the on-shore progress :

shouldn't we now be able to get real union power according to U.K. labour law?

[quadspeed]

Absolutely. Both BALPA and ECA will provide the necessary umbrellas.

They really have no idea of the ambush awaiting them.

[AnAmusedReader]

Absolutely. Both BALPA and ECA will provide the necessary umbrellas.


And don't you think the AOA has good contacts with both, as they have with all the unions in all the bases?

For the not knowing, ECA stands for European Cockpit Association.

[jacobus]

And for the additional "not knowing" BALPA stands for BRITISH AIRWAYS PILOTS ASSOCIATION and does b#ggar all for anyone else, charters/independants/low cost operators/ and certainly not VETA onshore...

[Corny]

BALPA stands for BRITISH AIRWAYS PILOTS ASSOCIATION

Then what may I ask is the "L" for?

Just curious.

[flyboy007]

British AirLine Pilots Assoc.

[Phlap1]

The power is not in the local industrial law. If your not prepared to
place your career/future on the line with collective industrial
action its irrelevant where your based.
The AOA will never succeed in improving conditions whilst the
bulk of members won't stand together.
Don't bank on improving anything with onshoring, the problem
is the self serving types who take expat jobs, who will never stick
together.
I gave up on the AOA when I was in the minority doing contract
compliance years ago, those creating the greatest noise did the
least. The law will not grow balls for you. Pardon lady pilots!

[AnAmusedReader]

Corny, I think jacobus is making the point that the BA guys and girls couldn't give a toss about any other pilot in the UK.

[jumpseat]

Long time since you were involved with BALPA I suspect, if ever.

Speak to TUI and others.

Your choice... Management or BALPA, who would you trust more?
:ugh:

[iLuvPX]

And for the additional "not knowing" BALPA stands for BRITISH AIRWAYS PILOTS ASSOCIATION and does b#ggar all for anyone else


You seem so confident when stating complete trash Jacobus. All it would have taken was a simple Google search to find the right answer also..sad.

BALPA stands for British Air Lines Pilot Association, not exclusive to any airline. Any commercial pilot engaging in British commercial flying may join, and I guarantee they would provide better service than the AOA. Which should be easy, the only way to go it up!

AOA, NO WAY!

[MAX]

And for the additional "not knowing" BALPA stands for BRITISH AIRWAYS PILOTS ASSOCIATION

Guys, Jacobus is taking the p!ss. If you have ever worked for a UK airline its quite common to refer to BALPA in this way. BA used to always be the yardstick for T and C's and as they were the largest pilot body, absorbed the majority of BALPA's attention.

MAX:cool:

[AnAmusedReader]

Common view is that it's you talking trash nor jacobus.

From you in another thread


it all starts with disbanding the AOA.

From there, I'd be happy negotiating directly with the company on my own, or bringing in a professional association. One where our dues would go to hiring professional negotiators to deal with the company's professional negotiators, there by leveling the playing field.



BALPA doesn't hire professional negotiators, they have their committtees, their volunteers and use them in their negotiations.

keep up with your bitter and twisted views. Yet another of those who can only moan but do nothing themselves. No doubt NC will be the target of your ranting over the coming months.

[Lying Rock]

I know who IluvPX is, just ignore him, he will hate that more than anything. Ignorance is one of his virtues. LR

[jacobus]

Thanks Max for the erudite explanation; sadly I'd forgotten that half a brain is required to appreciate irony..as for the other comments I've been a Balpa associate member for a number of years now, it hasn't done me a whole lot of good I have to say, nor has it done me any harm, and the legal representation/insurances certainly make me feel better..quite how effective they would be in extremis I aim, of course, never to find out..However, the magazine makes for an enjoyable hour or so's read in the cruise..as for TUI, well, forgive me, I don't feel membership of Balpa has done them that much good. It remains, and always will remain so, very much the domain of BA pilots....:ugh: