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G SXTY
29th Jun 2008, 22:47
I have posted this because I want to illustrate what is involved in getting from starry-eyed wannabe to airline pilot. Hopefully it will encourage some guys who are just starting off (just as Pilot Pete's story inspired me a few years ago). It's also a reminder of just how long and difficult the journey can be. Some people will have had an easier path to the airlines, I know that many more have been through much worse than me. It's quite a long read, but that reflects the amount of work required - there are quite a few episodes and experiences that I've left out for reasons of space, but I hope you find it useful nonetheless.

Getting Started
Some people are born wanting to be an airline pilot. Not me, as a kid I wanted to be a train driver. In the end I was neither - after a degree in International Transport, I drifted into a career in steel and shipping. 'Career' is putting it a bit strongly - I worked for a shipping line for a while, than as a steel trader, and finally for British Steel / Corus for eight years - but each job felt like a way of paying the bills rather than a long term career.

I blame Pprune for getting me into flying. I had always been interested in aviation, but the enthusiasm never went further than flight-simming, reading books, going to museums and visiting the spectators' balcony at Heathrow (back in the days when they actually had one). A career as an airline pilot was about as likely as going to the moon, and not knowing anyone in the industry, I naively believed that all airline pilots were either sponsored cadets or ex-military, and I was too old to get into the industry in my late twenties.

Then, around 1999, I discovered Pprune. To my amazement, not only was it possible for older guys to change careers and get into flying, but lots of people were actually doing it. The final push came from a boss at work, who'd had a few flying lessons and reckoned I'd love it. So, having driven past Stapleford aerodrome hundreds of times over the years, one cold and grey November afternoon I finally plucked up the courage to go in - just for a look around, of course. A rather optimistic sign outside said; "Learn to fly from only £45!" and I didn't know any better. Walking into reception I met a group of bored instructors, and was immediately pounced upon. One of them offered to let me have a look at an aircraft, so within minutes I was sat in a Cessna 152. The instrument panel was just like MS Flightsim - only a bit more dog-eared - and I was enthralled (easily impressed in those days). Inevitably, I agreed to go for a trial lesson. We started up, taxied out, took off and the man said; "You have control." And that was it, I was hooked. I knew that whatever else happened, I just wanted to fly. Back on the ground, I was brought back down to earth with a bump - we discussed training costs. I quickly realised I would struggle to fund the PPL, never mind fly as a hobby. But could I really do it as a career? Sitting in the right hand seat of an airliner was maybe now a bit more likely than going to the moon, but only slightly.

A few weeks later I had a business trip which involved flying from Stansted to Amsterdam. It was a horrible winter's morning, cold foggy and dark, but I had with me my logbook and a hand-written note to the skipper, introducing myself as an 'ever so humble student pilot and asking if I could visit the flightdeck. I handed it to the number one as we boarded, and within moments she was back to tell me; "The captain asks if you would like to sit in the flightdeck for takeoff?" I've never been out of my seat so quickly. And so, with me strapped in on the 146's jumpseat, we groped our way out to the runway, lined up and took off into the murk. About 1,000 feet above the ground, the cloud started to lighten, and then we burst out into a stunningly beautiful clear blue sky, above a sea of cotton wool, stretching as far as the eye could see. I was dumbstruck - this really was the moment. All it needed was a trumpet fanfare and choirs of angels singing the Hallelujah chorus. I knew then and there that this was the job for me - I absolutely had to do this every day.

Financial realities meant that progress was slow, and was only possible at all with the support of my wife. With only two lessons per month, it took 5 months before I went solo, but at least I was flying. I was growing increasingly restless at work, and I started to seriously consider speeding things up by quitting my job, taking out a huge loan and signing up for an integrated course. The month was August 2001 . . . Fortunately I resisted the temptation, it seemed too much of a gamble even with a booming job market. Then came 9/11. Within a month, Julie had lost her job in corporate removals - her clients had decided to batten down the hatches and stop moving staff around. With only one income, flying was now out of the question. It was six months before she found work and I could get back into training. Courtesy of the UK weather, there were the usual interminable delays for my cross-country qualifying flight (postponed 13 times) and the final hour of solo cross-country, but eventually I was ready for the skills test. For once the weather was kind - one of those beautiful clear winter days with 50 miles visibility and not a breath of wind. The test itself was a non-event, and felt like a bit of an anti-climax. I'd passed in minimum hours, but it had taken over two years and cost around £6,000. I was impatient to get on - the PPL was out of the way, what was next?

Hours Building
Like many people, I decided to go off to Florida to build some cheap hours. The sensible way would have been to wait a couple of months and get an FAA ticket issued on the back of my new JAA PPL. But I was in a hurry - the PPL had taken too long, I wanted to fly, and I had a block of leave to use up.

I booked up with Naples Air Centre for a few hours conversion training, which would prepare me for a FAA PPL check ride. With this out of the way I would be free to build lots of cheap hours while taking in the sights of Florida. That was the theory - life, as they say, is all about timing. I arrived in Naples to discover that one of the most highly recommended schools in the USA had been shut down the previous day in a dispute with the state authorities. After a couple of days of hanging around hoping for the problem to go away, I joined another school at the airport. Unsurprisingly, their sole C150 was suddenly in great demand . . . As a result I managed to fly less than four hours during my first week in Florida, before the inevitable happened and they too were shut down over the same dispute.

Fortunately I had teamed up with a very helpful and supportive instructor, and suddenly out of work himself, he managed to find another school in nearby Fort Myers where we could rent. Our first flight was interesting, to put it mildly. A night cross-country from Fort Myers to Palm Beach and back, we were flying a rather elderly C150 which - as we found out a little too late - had a blocked fuel line and only sipped avgas from one wing. The full story deserves a chapter on its own, but suffice to say that I learned a lot about flying that evening. The Everglades in the pitch dark is not the best of places to have a fuel emergency, and I have had a healthy obsession with fuel management ever since . . .

Things could only improve after that, and the second week was much better - avoiding 'gators on the runway at Marco Island, looking down on the clouds from 9,000' on the way to Key West, flying IFR through Orlando, in and out of fluffy cumulus, and best of all, being chased down the ILS by a Learjet at Daytona. (Top tip: a 2,000hr FAA IR instructor makes a great safety pilot, and will ensure you get much better use of your time than simply drilling holes in the sky). Even so, I managed just 20hrs flying in two weeks, making the trip an expensive - if valuable - experience. The rest of my hours building was to done back in the UK - pricier and less exotic, but fewer alligators to contend with.

ATPL written exams
Rather like a trip to the dentist, you can only put these off for so long. I bit the bullet around Easter 2004 and signed up with Bristol Ground School. When the first huge pile of books arrived I almost wished I had gone to the dentist instead, but by disciplining myself to stick to a sensible schedule, reading on the train to and from work, and doing progress tests in the evenings, I made steady progress. The only subjects I really struggled with were parts of General Nav. (which almost had me in tears and was clearly designed by some evil navigator as a way of getting back at pilots) and gyroscopes. How do you work out gyroscopic precession? Who knows? Who cares? I finished the second set of exams in May 2005 and was pleasantly amazed to find I had passed them all first time with decent averages. With the ATPLs out of the way and nearly 150hrs in my log book it was almost time for the CPL. Gulp.

Commercial Training (1st attempt)
Thus far all my training and studying had been part time. The day job meant I could pay as I went, meaning I had no debts, although nor did I have any savings. Having researched the CPL and IR, I decided that realistically I could only do them full-time. This meant quitting my job and dipping into the equity in the house, a big step both financially and psychologically. Still, the job market was looking good, I was full of confidence and couldn't wait to get started. Being a cautious type, I had considered my options if everything went pear-shaped. Plan 'B' was to avoid burning any bridges with my previous employer with a view to getting my old job back. Plan 'C' was to sell up, move to the South of France and get a job pushing an ice-cream cart along a nudist beach. I particularly liked plan C.

I booked my CPL with PAT at Bournemouth and ticked off the days while I worked my notice. Then, two days before I finished at Corus, Julie dropped the bombshell. She wanted a divorce. With hindsight, stress had been building in our marriage for some time and for various reasons (not least me spending the last year with my head in the ATPL books). Not for one moment did I see it coming, however, and I was devastated. For a few weeks I tried to muddle on and finish the hours-building, but I could barely cope with the mechanics of flying a Cessna, let alone anything complicated like talking to air traffic control. It became increasingly clear that the CPL was a non-starter; I simply wasn't up to it emotionally, and my funding depended on her financial support. I finally bowed to the inevitable, told PAT I'd have to put things on hold indefinitely and went back cap in hand to get my old job back.

Commercial Training (2nd attempt)
The two years that followed were easily the worst of my life. Having been so close, I resented being back at work and loathed the daily commute with a passion I can barely describe. The airliners flying overhead each day just rubbed in my sense of failure. The divorce dragged on interminably - it was on then off more times than I care to remember. Then my mother was diagnosed with cancer, which if nothing else put all the other 'worries' into perspective. Mercifully she was to make a full recovery, but I knew things couldn't go on like this for much longer.

By early 2007 the 'now or never' moment was fast approaching. I had a year left on my ATPL credits, and I had no intention of re-sitting the exams. The choice was stark and pressing; give up on my dream and settle for a safe, well-paid but boring job, or throw caution to the wind and go for it. It would be a massive gamble; I knew there would be no going back and I would be spending thousands with no guarantee of success. The job market had been strong for several years - how much longer would it continue, and what if I couldn't find a job at the end of it? Objectively, my decision was somewhere between foolhardy and daft, but for the first time in my life, I let my heart overrule my head. I jacked my job in (again) and called PAT.

Once the decision was made, everything became simpler. Suddenly there were no choices to make, no 'what ifs' - it simply had to work, full stop. I started the CPL in August and for once my timing was good. The British summer finally arrived and offered up lots of good VFR days, making nav trips a pleasure. Doing the CPL in a twin added complexity, but I hoped the experience would be useful when it came to the IR. The pressures of spending hundreds of pounds an hour started to mount, however, and by the day of the skills test I was pretty wound up. Not because I couldn't do it - I just knew how much failure would cost. I partialed - on timed turns of all things. I'd had no problem with these during training, and my instructor diagnosed a severe case of 'examitis'. The retest a few days later was excruciating - I have never been so stressed before an exam. I thought my flying was awful, but the examiner decided it was good enough, and to my intense relief told me I'd passed. I was happy to let him fly us back to Bournemouth . . .

Strangely I found the IR much more straightforward than the CPL. Take out the variables of VFR flying (like being able to see out of the window) and things are a lot simpler. I even started to enjoy the experience, and back seat rides were a pleasure - floating along above the clouds while some other poor victim sweated away with an ADF needle. The IR skills test was a completely different experience to the CPL, and I felt very confident on the day. Which was just as well, as I did my best to throw it away, going 300' below my cleared altitude while coping with Cardiff ATC's humourous attempts at vectoring.

The icing on the cake was an alternator failure 100' before top of climb on the way home (the sort of thing that's only supposed to happen in the sim) but the examiner was clearly in a generous mood, and as we taxied back in he told me I had passed. I was quite literally lost for words and on the verge of tears, but it started to sink in as I drove home that evening, an idiotic grin appearing that would last for days.

Job Hunting
First things first, I went to the local dole office - sorry, Job Centre Plus - and signed on. "What type of work are you looking for?" "Commercial Pilot." "Erm, I'll just do a search of the local job centres for you . . ." And they did, bless them. Strangely, no airlines seem to advertise at Job Centre Plus.

As I may have mentioned, life is all about timing. Flybe reopened their online application scheme 10 days after I passed the IR. My application went in the same morning. I filled out other applications and sent off various CVs, but this was the one I really wanted. I knew they had asked my school for recommendations, and mine was one of several names to go forward, but it still seemed too much to hope. Then, after what seemed like forever but was actually a couple of months, came the call inviting me for an interview.

Top tip no. 2 - a school might get you an interview, but that's just the start of it. I researched like my life depended on it. I borrowed books on interview techniques, I read-up on technical questions, I learned the company history by heart. I found out how many seats a Q400 has. I contacted Dash 8 pilots I knew, I pestered Flybe pilots via Pprune. I even managed to get a mock interview with a kindly recruiter from another airline. In short, I was prepared. Which is no more than they expect. The interview was on a Friday afternoon, friendly but probing, and I left feeling I had done as well as I could - but you can never be sure.

The invitation to the sim assessment came on the Monday morning, and I set about preparing as thoroughly for that as I'd done for the interview. Top tip no. 3 - ask around on Pprune for advice - you would be amazed at some of the help on offer. On the day, I was paired with a young Oxford graduate (and star of YouTube) who flew a raw data ILS like we were on rails. Fortunately I had gone first, and while not quite up to her standard, at least I hadn't cocked anything up (there's nowhere to hide in the sim, and it's blatantly obvious when someone is struggling). All I could do now was wait.

Airline Pilot
The sim was on a Saturday. Monday morning, my mobile was switched on, 5 bar signal strength, and I was willing it to ring by staring at it as hard as I could. At 10:23hrs it rang - an Exeter number. Hands shaking, I answered. "Hello, is this G SXTY?" Of course it is. "This is xxx from Flybe." I know. "How are you today?" I'm great thanks. "Thanks for coming along for the simulator assessment." I'm sure she's doing it deliberately - please just put me out of my misery. "I'm pleased to tell you you've passed, we would like to offer you a job."

I cried. Honestly, I really did. All the grief, all the aggravation, the costs, the daft exam questions, the traumas, the sacrifices, it all came down to this moment. And I'd made it. Even months later, the thought of that phone call gives me goose bumps.

Everything happened very quickly now. In no time I was back in Exeter for the ground school, which was hard work but good fun, with a bunch of great new colleagues. I got to meet a Q400 up close - it looked a lot bigger than a Duchess. Company induction and the type rating ground school took one month, at the end of which we all passed the exams and received crisp new uniforms. After a bit of posing in front of the mirror (just to see if it fitted, of course) we were straight off to the sim.

After some pretty gruelling sim sessions during commercial training, I arrived at Farnborough with more than a few nerves. To my amazement, I ended up enjoying the experience. The standard of coaching and instruction was extremely high, and the various TRIs and TREs were very consistent, friendly and down to earth. The emphasis was very much on training rather than testing, and the final LST felt like just another training session. With the simulator finished, that just left the small matter of flying the real aeroplane. . .

After one false start and a 24 hour delay, two of us trainees met our instructor at Exeter airport for the circuits. Needless to say I didn't get much sleep the night before, but it's difficult to say whether that was down to nerves or just excitement. My colleague got to go first while I watched from the jumpseat. Annoyingly, he managed some very nice landings and completed his session in the minimum 6 circuits. No pressure on me then . . . I strapped into the right hand seat, we taxied out, lined up and I had control. The instructor set power and we were off. Oh blimey - an empty Q400 accelerates like a bat out of hell, even with full flex, and we were airborne in no time. No autopilot, just hand flying and getting a feel for the machine. Unsurprisingly it's very stable compared to a light aircraft, but with the stability comes loads of inertia. With some gentle coaching from the left hand seat, I managed some reasonably stable approaches and acceptable landings. The acceleration from a touch and go is even more jaw-dropping, and pulling back on the column was rather like going up in an extremely fast lift. After an hour, I had done my 6 take offs and landings, and would have happily carried on all day, but apparently time was up and ops wanted their aeroplane back.

And that was that. Paperwork signed, off to Gatwick, and the next day my licence was endorsed with a Q400 type rating. While I waited in the CAA's canteen (heavily subsidised by all of us) I stood on the balcony watching a procession of airliners come and go, including a few Dash 8s. Shortly I would be joining them - it was a very proud moment, and quite literally a dream come true.

BerksFlyer
29th Jun 2008, 23:19
Much like your recent 'A Day at Work' type post, this is fantastic. You show it really is no walk in the park. It made me happy just by reading, and I can't imagine how I'm going to feel the day I achieve what you've managed. Top man :ok:

BitMoreRightRudder
29th Jun 2008, 23:26
Fantastic read G-SXTY. I'm pretty sure I was in the same mod 1 class as you at BGS in 2004 (October?) Great to hear that you made it.

AlphaMale
29th Jun 2008, 23:36
Nice story (short and sweet)! Read like a slow and painful process getting from 0 to Job though with the divorce etc ... but you have a job thousands would kill for!

Well done!

Jumbo744
29th Jun 2008, 23:39
:D:D:D :ok:
Thanks for sharing your stories. I started my flight training 2 month ago, only 15 hours logged, and I started a blog that has the same name as this thread: From Zero to First Airline Job. Unfortunately it's in french. It will be nice souvenirs once I'll have a job.
Bravo :D

WQ - ingo
30th Jun 2008, 01:15
Absolutely fantastic! Best of luck, you have truly earned it! I very much hope i can one day join you on the flight deck.

Many thanks,

WQ

Bravo441
30th Jun 2008, 10:12
G-Sixty

Started my PPL about 4 months ago and progressing slowly thanks to the frustrating Irish weather and work commitments.

The next time I get to wondering "is this worth it", ill pop on PPrune and read this post and "a day in the life".

Thanks

jhub777333
30th Jun 2008, 10:31
congrats mate, so pleased for you.:D

skylog
30th Jun 2008, 10:31
Smashing post, brought a lot of memories back especially the mention of the week long idiotic smile one has after passing their IR.
Good luck for the future,
:ok:

ATIS
30th Jun 2008, 10:31
G SXTY great post. You've got me reminiscing now.

I remember the goose bumps well. I had missed the morning knock on the door for a recorded delivery cos I couldn't be bothered to get out of bed. So eventually I got myself to the post office and was presented with the fattest envelope I've ever seen with a "Jersey European" stamp on the front.

Spent 6 years with Jersey Europen/British European/Flybe and I'll happily admit it was fun. Moved on now though. There are still some routes you just can't do with heavier metal. Steep approaches into LCY in a 146 will remain with me forever.

Enjoy it, you deserve it

Buster2
30th Jun 2008, 11:03
Good post mate, very good post!:D

Brings back memories of training and the ATPL’s. Getting that phone call when I was in the town centre telling me to be down in Gatwick for a 737NG type rating in a week’s time and shouting at the top of my voice when I put the phone down. Forgetting that it was a busy Saturday afternoon and that half of Chester was looking at me very strangely………

you just don’t care though!:ok:

acepilotmurdock
30th Jun 2008, 11:54
Great post mate and thanks for the help you are giving me. A good friend of mine said "Once you find a job you truely love, you will never work another day in your life." Which is what you have done and I hope to do, as you say some people are just born to fly.
Hope to be sitting in the right hand seat with ya one day.
Happy landings.

Toujours
30th Jun 2008, 12:56
Thanks for sharing your story bud. Great one.

Can I ask, how old were you when you started your training for your PPL and how old were you when you got the job offer with Flybe?

Lots of tailwind enroute mate - cheers!

Toujours

buzzc152
30th Jun 2008, 14:12
Nicely written G-Sixty

Funny how many of these little experiences we all share and cherish (the phone call offering the job is also one that will remain with me for a long time...don't worry, I cried as well).

Up, up and away......

captain_flynn
30th Jun 2008, 14:17
A truely inspiring story! It was hard going but you stuck by it and was rewarded. Well done. :ok:

blueskybird
30th Jun 2008, 21:38
Absolutely Amazing!!! :D:D:D:D Truly inspirational G-SXTY :ok::ok::ok::ok:

Im at the very beginning of my journey - just got my medical and have had 2 trial flights- but know this is what I want to do for the rest of my career.

Really appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences and journey with us here on Pprune.

Much obliged :O

redsnail
30th Jun 2008, 22:02
Hey G-SXTY, you haven't finished yet. You want my job and my seat. :E


Oh, onya BTW :ok:

dream747
1st Jul 2008, 02:29
Congratulations! I hope you are not too affeted by the divorce... if only she had stood by a little longer.

THE WELSH WIZARD
1st Jul 2008, 08:06
G- SXTY, IVE ONLY GOT 14 HOURS LOGGED AND FEELING THE STRAIN ALREADY!

THAT FANTASTIC STORY HAS SOME WHAT, MADE ME FEEL MORE DETERMEND TO KNUCKLE DOWN TO IT.

ONCE AGAIN, AS IAM SURE WHO HAS READ IT (WELDONE MATY)

Welsh wiz

low n' slow
1st Jul 2008, 08:46
Great post G!

/Low

Canada Goose
1st Jul 2008, 09:33
Yes, well done G-SXTY. One of the 'lucky' ones to make it through and triumph over adversity.......... rather enviable in many ways, particularly when in June 2004 I had finished all my ATPL exams through BGS as you were pretty much beginning. Makes me wonder, what if, what if I ever actually managed to get an interview. Wannabe's take note, as inspiring as the story is it certainly highlights what a huge advantage it is to get a recommendation from an FTO. I'm not taking anything away from you as you are of course completely correct in that after the door has been opened it's all down to you. However, as I'm sure you are more than aware, getting that interview, in my mind is for the vast majority the hardest part of the whole exasperating process. Over the years I've applied to Flybe nearly a dozen times and never had a sniff and like you they were/are an airline that I was particularly keen to get in with !

CG.

shortleg
1st Jul 2008, 09:36
I can remember sweating an awful lot over that bloody ADF needle!

It's an inspriring story G-SXTY and I was glad to share some of it with you.:ok:

G SXTY
1st Jul 2008, 09:56
Thanks for the kind words (and all the PMs) guys, it means a lot to me and I'm glad you found it useful.

To be honest, I felt I needed to tell the story precisely because it's such a long and arduous journey. I don't think my experience is particularly unusual - as I said before, there are many others who have been through a lot worse than me on the way to achieving their dream. As Canada Goose correctly points out, my path was eased considerably by getting that 'magic' recommendation. Scary to think that it could have been even tougher . . .

Wannabes need to temper their enthusiasm with the reality that this is a bloody tough game. Next time you see a young (or not so young) FO striding through an airport terminal, bear in mind he's probably made some considerable sacrifices to get to wear that uniform. When in the past I considered jacking it all in, I logged on to Pprune for motivation. If my post helps a few people to realise they're not alone in their efforts, that all the grief and hassle is perfectly normal, and that if they stick with it then their dream is achievable, then job done.

Shortleg - That wasn't sweat mate, that was condensation - you were Mr. Cool!

Reddo - Touché! You are naughty, but I like you . . . ;)

redsnail
1st Jul 2008, 12:59
G-SXTY,

Yep, this is one small step for a pilot... one giant le.. oh hang on, wrong speech. You're on the path now and onya for sticking it out. :ok: I am certain you won't make the mistake of thinking that jets is the only goal. For sure, keep an eye on it, but enjoy the journey. :}

TurboJ
1st Jul 2008, 17:56
G60 - Your story is inspirational - and should serve to remind your audience what can be achieved.

To be honest, I felt I needed to tell the story precisely because it's such a long and arduous journey.

Without undermining your achievement, when compared to those of my friends and colleagues, your story sounds like a walk in the park.

To be invited for interview several months after passing your IR is incredibly lucky and could only have been achieved with that all important recommendation; imagine having to do all the networking to find someone who can recommend you ??

Captain_djaffar
1st Jul 2008, 18:24
the most magical moment was the phone call.... i felt adrenaline thrusting to my cervicals when the lady goes
"I'm pleased to tell you you've passed, we would like to offer you a job."


;););)

acepilotmurdock
1st Jul 2008, 18:27
Or you could find a job before you start, so when you pass you walk straight into the right hand seat of a lovely plane be it tp or jet:ok:.

scruggs
2nd Jul 2008, 11:33
Thank you so much for posting that G. It's a truly inspirational read!



And congratulations on the job.


S:ok:

YYZ
2nd Jul 2008, 14:45
Long time no speak my sixty sir, glad all has finally worked out for you!

YYZ

(Hope all is well with the job goose?)

THE WELSH WIZARD
2nd Jul 2008, 18:20
I Feel Like I Could Cry G-sxty, Very Touching.......i Mean It. It Posts Like That Mate, Make Low Hour Wannabes Like Me, Want To Do It Even More.

Thanks.

Ww

daria-ox
2nd Jul 2008, 18:39
A touching story,,

Now I want to do it even more! :ok:

lastdon
3rd Jul 2008, 08:22
Hey G SXTY,

Im glad that something like PPRuNe exists. Else would have missed out on your very well written post. :ok:

"Surely the path to achievement is not easy, never has it been.
But real men carry on, carry on in the unknown. And now we know.......what sacrifices mean!!"
-- LaSTDoN
:} (Dont laugh at my poem!! It was tough rhyming all words)

Well Jokes apart mate, good luck to you always!! :cool:

adz1616
21st Jul 2008, 21:18
Hey G SXTY thats a great story... Ive had my PPL for 10 years now and 35 next month and starting out on my full time ground school at London Met uni on 01 Sep. I was looking at doing my CPL/IR at stapleford flight centre you started there, are they a good centre to do an ATPL with?

phoenixtv
22nd Jul 2008, 10:29
Great to read!
I hope that I could realise my dream as you did!
Your words really encourge me a lot!

Maude Charlee
22nd Jul 2008, 11:05
Job hunting is a bit like the Federer/Nadal Wimbledon final - it's just all about grinding out a victory no matter how long it takes. The training is always the easy bit. ;)

AvEnthusiast
22nd Jul 2008, 11:56
That's from zero hours to hero hours.

corsair
22nd Jul 2008, 15:16
Great story, inspirational. Most of us went through something similar with the training. You were very fortunate to get the job so soon after you finished training. That's the hurdle many fall at, the last one. Getting the actual job.

I liked Top tip no.2. I believe failing to prepare properly for the interview is the downfall of many a budding airline pilot. This is a telling comment 'In short, I was prepared. Which is no more than they expect. '
Others would do well to note it.

squawkvfr
24th Jul 2008, 11:25
thank you sir for such an inspirational story.gives hope to all the wannabes out there.

John_Mc
24th Jul 2008, 15:05
Thanks for you story, I'm seriously contemplating going for it and this has really helped me.

Well done and blue skies :ok:

gone till november
24th Jul 2008, 23:06
G-SXTY

First of all well done you stuck at it and triumphed GOOD ON YOU or as my colleague Redsnail would say onya:ok:

I remember the call i got for my first "real job" and it was better than passing my ATPL's Better than my IR, first pint first shag (think it lasted longer) etc etc etc etc.

I wonder if your ex wife is now maybe just wondering if she made the right decision:ugh:.

Safe flying and enjoy it, its the dogs nadgers:)

jaylay
25th Jul 2008, 13:44
Thanks for that mate. With a mere 21 hours in my log book and having just completed my first solo circuit, I feel ready to knuckle down to the task ahead of me.

I'll remember your story when it gets tough.

I just have to have faith and believe it will work out in the end i reckon.

:ok:

Papa2Charlie
25th Jul 2008, 17:00
I've just read your post and have to say it's inspirational. Best of luck in your new career, it's well deserved.

Callsign Kilo
28th Jul 2008, 08:15
That has to be one of the best and most inspirational posts on pprune. What a refreshing alternative to the usual negative b.s. Reminds me of posts similar to that of Flyfish and CAT3Autoland in their route to the RHS.

G SIXTY, well done mate. You coped with a lot during your path to Flybe. Its a lot of work and there are a lot of set backs, but once you are there it's an incredible feeling. I can remember doing by base check in the 737 and saying to the Training Captain that after 3 years 'I couldn't believe I was doing this.' And my first ever landing with 170 pax in the back into Stansted. Coming out of the hold at Lorel and being vectored onto the ILS for 23. 'Take the automatics out and fly it!' was the call from the LTC. Will live with me forever!

All the best mate

:ok:

Troy McClure
28th Jul 2008, 15:37
Lots of parallels with my journey there. Chuck in a few years instructing and scratching a living flying twins as a survey pilot, a failed sim ride, a hold pool that never led to a job, two non-airline jobs turned down due to said hold pool, an E145 offer turned down and now in the RHS of a 737-700...

mikehammer
28th Jul 2008, 18:48
Which hold pool?

flyingcamel
31st Jul 2008, 13:55
Good one! I remember it well, it really is smashing stuff when you get that phone call from Exeter (I had just finished my interview and was in the waiting room for my RYR sim check when I took the call!)

Alas I didn't enjoy my base training as much as you did. A combination of no sleep, nerves of butter, last in a group of 3 following 2 geniuses (1 tornado jockey and a wonder girl) and an instructor that seemed to instantly take a dislike to me (as far as I was concerned) made it a 'pass with a b****cking' day. Massive relief to get it done and wish I could fly with that guy now just to p**s on his bonfire as you improve exponentially on line training and even more the 3 months after that!

Loving flying the line for Flybe, and feel very privelidged to be doing so.

Chin up all, it'll all be yours very soon.

Troy McClure
31st Jul 2008, 20:10
Hold pool was BA Cityexpress (Connect). Turned down Airmed and FRA. E145 was Flybe... No regrets.

CAT3C AUTOLAND
31st Jul 2008, 21:47
Firstly G-SXTY, a very well done sir, as all have said it's a great read and a positive note for guys who are on there way up in the world of pro pilots. I haven't been on PPRUNE for a while so it is a great read.

Also CallsignKilo, I was taken back that you honoured my post last year, I am glad so many people enjoyed it, I am still in the saddle and enjoying every minute of my new job, it's really is quite special. Like you say, 'take the auto's out and fly it' makes the whole experience quite special, with 200 punters down the back!

All the best guys.

Red-Kite
2nd Aug 2008, 10:55
G-SXTY there's very nearly a plane named after you! (G-SIXT)

You're story is one which will stay with me for a long time. It's nice to hear that people still make it going down the old fashioned route of doing it themselves and not just taking out a massive loan of £80,000+ to do their entire training at schools.

As someone who absolutely cannot afford to do that its nice to hear that other people have succeeded in the route that I have also chosen to take...not that it probably won't cost the same anyway!

Out of interest how old were you when you started flying? And how old were you when you got offered a job? I've always been worried about age when it comes to this business so it'd be nice to know.

G SXTY
2nd Aug 2008, 20:04
Actually, one admirer has named his Learjet after me . . . ;)

JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-SXTY (CN: 60-280) TAG Aviation Bombardier Learjet 60 by Michele Barban - Aviaphotos (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6279904&nseq=0)

I'm humbled by the kind comments guys, it's great to know that so many of you found it useful. Red-Kite - I didn't even fly as a passenger until I was well into my twenties. Trial lesson aged 29, commercial licence and job aged 36. With enough determination, most things are possible.

Re-reading my story the other night (after a few glasses of red) one of the things I realised I should have mentioned was just how close I came to quitting - and more than once. I suspect most of us go through this, but few people want to admit it. This is a very tough mountain to climb, and it's very draining, financially and mentally. Many people fall by the wayside, often through no fault of their own. (I know one guy who broke his back a week before his CPL skills test - dream over).

Excepting disasters like that, if you keep the faith, remain focused on your goal and refuse to give up, it's a perfectly achievable dream. The view from the top of the mountain is well worth the effort. :ok:

doogle92
4th Aug 2008, 22:10
Brilliant story of how you gave up everything to become a pilot. You showed that it really is no easy task and I can see how much work is going to be required of me to get to a position similar to yours.
Great job! :ok:

DylanB92
5th Aug 2008, 00:28
Brilliant story ! im only 15 but I want to be a pilot just like you some day

phdixon
6th Aug 2008, 19:43
Great story, have been on the edge of my seat reading it. Like you had to I commute to my boring job every day wondering if I will ever get there, at the age of 33 with one child and a wife who tells me to stop living in the clouds and goes mad at how much I have just spent going round the circuit in a c152. I fear it never will but who knows your dream came true. How old were you when you got ATPL if you don't mind me asking and how many hours to get first job.

Cheers Paul

nashipai
7th Aug 2008, 13:02
Hello G-SXTY!
I read your story and tears filled my eyes. It just seems impossible that one person can go through all you have been through and get out of it strong, alive and successful.
I started my aviation career in 1999 and lets just say that it hasnt been a smooth road. I am now working on my ATPL theory and looking forward hoping that I'll manage for my CPL/IR. You have really motivated me today...Thank you...

CAT3C AUTOLAND
8th Aug 2008, 07:58
G-SXTY,

I have just read through your post again, and I must say you deserve all that you have achieved. One thing that is brilliant about your experience is that it will come out in the aspects of your job through enthusiasm I am sure. Going through one you have done to get where you are will give you a glow that I am sure will rub off and inspire others.

I have been flying airliners for just over a year now, and one thing I really enjoy is people with a story to tell. Some of the Captains I fly with have exactly that, and are still as enthusiatic as ever about their jobs, even after 20 years of flying which is great for me sitting there in the right hand seat, and inspires me to be an and equally enthusiastic Captain when my time comes.

Thank you once again for sharing this all with us.

isi3000
10th Aug 2008, 19:40
Wow, that was a great story, thanks for sharing :ok:

captain.weird
10th Aug 2008, 20:00
G-SXTY,

That was a story where I wanted to cry but I didn't, it was emotional!! Great Story!!

dannye92
10th Aug 2008, 22:42
wow


i loved that story amazing


im 16 and had my intro flight last month and it was the best day

ever

had this stupid grin on my face for the next few days

mikehammer
11th Aug 2008, 16:24
Hold pool was BA Cityexpress (Connect). Turned down Airmed and FRA. E145 was Flybe... No regrets.


Glad to hear it.:ok:

Erikk
14th Aug 2008, 14:24
Great story. Good to see that despite al the strubling you finally achiefed your goal.

Hey...maybe you should think about switching job?
Become an author instead of a pilot... haha

Really well done and good luck up there!!:ok:

usedtofly
15th Aug 2008, 17:51
But no one has spotted the real potential problem here...........you can fly or you can stay married.............it's your choice.....

Whilst it is good for G-SXTY I do feel sympathy for Mrs G-SXTY.......

Don't want to P**s on any ones fire, but life is not ALL about flying eh?

LocoDriver
19th Aug 2008, 00:07
Great post!

I have printed it to make sure all my wannabe students read it!- we are
way down here in New Zealand................

Love to hear more about the 150 with the fuel problem at night.........

keep up the good work!

:ok::ok:

cheers

lbrewis
21st Aug 2008, 11:47
Just read your experience of training and made me realise how much more work I have still got to do .I started my CPL this week and hope to be fully qualifed by christmas.
Even though there is still so much training to do ,I still cant stop thinking of that job at the end , it would be great to find work in london close to home.Well done

aviatordom
23rd Feb 2009, 11:05
Wow, now that is an inspiring story!:D

1mag1n3
23rd Feb 2009, 15:47
I know this has been bumped an awful way, but I have not read this somehow.

You know, when I read up to the phone call, I got goosebumps too!

Congratulations.
You deserve it.

ichenel
25th Feb 2009, 11:04
really really touching story. You deserve it mate. :D I just received an email saying I had failed the Etihad cadet pilot assessment and Im really down. Ive been trying to become a pilot for 3 years now. but ur story gave me some hope. Good job m8 and enjoy!! :ok:

Vems
18th Apr 2009, 00:02
A really good story. Very enthusiastic. It reminds us all, that hard work pays off in the end. I'll keep this in mind, when I mess up on my lessons and especially when my monthly pay comes in and after a phone call or visit at my flying school is all gone. It's a bit frustrating!


But it's all going to be worth it.. just got to keep that in mind ;)

Matt Lewis
18th Apr 2009, 06:03
Well thats inspirational, you have guts and you deserve everything you got... Congratulations man. I want to be a pilot.

aviatordom
19th Apr 2009, 09:42
After feeling a bit down about my current medical state, reading this story again has made me much happier!

Congratulations!

I just shows that if you can pass a medical, then despite what life throws at you, the dream is still possible.

It may be over for me though, at the ripe age of nearly 15. I might have epilepsy, still waiting for the results though. Wish me luck!

If it turns out that it was just stress-no condition, then i'm determined to work harder to where I want to be. I really want this job so much:sad:

carlin
1st May 2009, 18:19
all the hard work and effort is pay for.
Believe or not this is my dream i am still working on my instrument rating and i read your history and defenetly make me feel very emotional.
beacause its been my dream since i was little and i am approaching my dream very closely.
once again congratulation.

i print it out your history just to keep it on my desk every time i dont want it to read a book i will read your history to get willness to do it.
great Job. Captain.

lime.jelly
10th May 2009, 21:46
i have just joined pprune and there is some good reading.i am 44 with a ppl and nite rating i would like to go for a Cpl and fly for a living,or do you think that age is against me or are there jobs out there for people my age

Karel1
21st Sep 2009, 12:25
Amazing story, sounds very close to home thanks for sharing it and good luck in the future

Mintflavour
21st Sep 2009, 12:36
G SXTY
Great story.
But now that there is a financial crisis and the aviation industy has taken huge hit. I was wandering if you could continue your story of your present situation....... ie are you lucky enough to keep your job, etc while many of us around you have fallen. As your efforts in writing this thread are widely appreciated it would be great to hear about further developments good or bad.

cheers

Mint

turbulentmonkey
28th Sep 2009, 00:10
What an inspiration! You have proved that hard work will be rewarded. For many like myself who are seriously considering a career in aviation it is just jaw-droppingly inspiring. There is so much negative posts about the economy/industry and so on, but then i come across a story like this. Against all odds, financial difficulties, time constraints and to even have a divorce on top of it all... you land your well earned (understatement) dream job.

Well done G60 you are an inspiration to all

07sschyff
28th Sep 2009, 09:09
Awesome story, amazing what so many pilots have gone through to get where they are. A good motivator for these hard times. I jst hope i can be as fortunate.

benonianto
21st Nov 2009, 18:26
U have no IDEA G sixty what your post means to me..... added to my favorites

Superpilot
21st Nov 2009, 20:49
Yeah G-SXTY, they just don't make success like that any more! :(

Lou Scannon
21st Nov 2009, 21:57
Only just noticed your post. As a retired old phart with both RAF and civil hours behind me, may I say how delighted I was to hear that people who are interested in aviation are still making the grade.

Onwards and upwards sport!!!:ok:

Ezz35
22nd Nov 2009, 05:43
Really is a great thread to have life breathed back into it.
Im just about to start my training after leaving another career @25 to pursue my life long dream of flying. Book marking this for those dark times of anger and frustration to come! Thanks G-SXTY:ok:

jakeekaj
13th Dec 2009, 15:25
...as I finished the last couple of lines of the text, suddenly, I started to smile. In hope that made one day that was me. Well Done it's made my day reading that and gave me further motivation to reach out and grab my dream.

FlyingOfficerKite
13th Dec 2009, 20:04
Then, two days before I finished at Corus, Julie dropped the bombshell. She wanted a divorce. Out of the whole story only a couple of lines about what should, in most people's minds be an earth-shattering event. Without wishing to under-estimate the effects of your divorce it seems to have been blip on the radar as far as your career to date is concerned.

Most of my airline buddies are either single or divorced (me included).

For all of you out there wishing to change career and become pilots, I remember an old adage I was told years ago about life in the services:

'It's great if you're single, not so good if you're married but a nightmare if you have kids'.

In my experience of airline flying that's very true.

My wife at the time supported me through all my training over a number of years and was pleased that I succeeded - she just couldn't handle the disruptive lifestyle, the odd hours, the weeks away when I was in the sim. or on SEP courses and the fact I was never there for birthdays, Christmas or New Year, parents' evenings, school plays and the like.

Flying is a VERY selfish and disruptive occupation, so when you look at your wife and kids this Christmas, remember that in years to come you might wish they were still there as you fly your shiny jet at 5:00am on one fine New Year's Day!

This is a very bitter Post - but true.

I was just like you - I achieved my ambition and eventually flew my shiny jet - just lost my wife, child, house and savings in the process!

12 great years of flying and all the places and all the people - ALL EXPERIENCED ON MY OWN. They've all gone now and I'm left with a life-time of regrets.

Gave up flying and re-married so all is not lost!

But if I hadn't decided to become an airline pilot in the first place ...

Merry Christmas

FOK

G SXTY
14th Dec 2009, 11:25
Without wishing to under-estimate the effects of your divorce it seems to have been blip on the radar as far as your career to date is concerned.

Rest assured it was a bit more than a blip, but I know what you are trying to say. I kept it brief for reasons of space (and to avoid depressing everyone) but who knows, maybe when I write my memoires it’ll get a whole chapter. ;)

The whole point of the story was to illustrate just how tough it can be getting to the right hand seat. The financial and emotional demands can be overwhelming, and people underestimate them at their peril. That point needs making, forcibly and repeatedly, if only for the many teenagers who seem to think it’s all as simple as getting mum and dad to throw £70k at Oxford, and hey presto, they’ll be given the keys to an Airbus. It has never been, and never will be that simple.

As someone who has benefitted from much advice and support through Pprune, I felt the least I could do was to offer some advice of my own, and in doing so, encourage and caution in equal measure. It’s now 18 months since I wrote that piece, and I am now a reasonably experienced FO with a reasonably secure job. I have never been happier, and on good days it’s a sheer pleasure to go to ‘work’. Flying is in my blood, and I would always support and encourage anyone with a similar passion.

But – and it’s a massive but – anyone planning on becoming a commercial pilot must - absolutely must - take account of all the potential pitfalls, and have a sound plan for dealing with them if and when they occur. Forewarned is forearmed, and I would strongly suggest planning for the worst case scenario.

There are many ‘blips on the radar’, and the chances are you’ll encounter a good few of them during your journey.

FlyingOfficerKite
14th Dec 2009, 13:05
G SXTY

I understand.

It is tough getting into the RHS and I was just as enthusiastic as you when I went through the 'process' back in the 90s.

Everything went well for me - exams passed, job obtained (although there was a gap of several years between the two events caused by the last recession!).

I went from AFI to turboprop to jet and achieved my ambition.

From a flying point of view I couldn't have wished for a better progression.

It's just the unexpected consequences of all this effort and enthusiasm and success can be that the other aspects of your life suffer as a result.

This is never intended, but the dynamics of a relationship and your private life in general undergo a mighty strain.

My family went from a '9 to 5' existence to the vagaries of airline rosters and training and found it just too much.

I gave up my flying career to try and save my marriage, but that placed an enormous strain on me - like giving a child a toy and then taking it away.

End result personal disaster.

Would I give up a good career for flying if I had my time again?

If I knew what the consequences were going to be - NO. I would just have had to settle for instucting or private flying. But then no one has the benefit of foresight.

All things being equal I would not have missed the experience of learning to fly and becoming an airline pilot for the World, but then I didn't know what I know now.

My advice - appreciate that flying training might be exciting whilst you're doing it - and the prospect of being a pilot is an interesting topic of conversation for both you and your partner/spouse. However the reality can be something quite different and unexpected.

I wonder if you 'lived' a pilot's roster for a month whether your partner would be quite so keen? For those of you considering changing career, why not practice this Christmas and New Year?

Start today. Tell your wife that you wont be able to attend your child's Christmas play because you have a roster change (tears and upset, but say you'll make up for it). Then say that you're 'flying' on Christmas Eve after all - but you'll be able to play with the children on New Year's Day instead.

Then go to bed at 0300 on a couple of nights and lay in bed until lunchtime because you're 'tired' on a couple more. Try being 'tired' and don't help out around the house on a few days just so she understands that you'll be fatigued quite a bit. Maybe throw in that you can't go on holiday at Easter like you used to because you have 2 days in the sim that week.

I've been there, done that, had the tears and disappointment - how many of you are brave enough to stand up to your wife and family and practice the 'airline roster' scenario this Christmas? None I would suggest. But get an airline job and it'll be a reality for you.

Some wifes are fine, obviously, as not all women are the same. However, those that are used to a routine find it a real stress as my wife did. The inability to plan more than a few weeks ahead did her head in.

All in all it just isn't a great life if you have a wife and kids, as I mentioned in my previous Post. Others will naturally have different, hopefully more pleasant experiences and who am I to say how it will be for you?

Flying is great, exciting, rewarding and a life achievement. It is bought at a price which for some proves too high a price to pay.

Todders
14th Dec 2009, 13:28
Great piece of writing and in some years time i shall be looking out for the book..

Congrats on the story so far and i hope it runs smoothly henceforth.

It's always nice to look back and remember how you got to where you are and to put life as it is in perspective. Helps on the bad days as much as the good ones. The elation of that call is one no one will ever forget and the though of it with out a doubt will bring tears to your eyes for many years to come.

It is nice to share here and on the line these things that we as pilots have been through and it is always surprising to find out how similar the emotional roller-coaster is for many of us.

The first job has to be the key and the best feeling but you are still very much on the roller-coaster. One year in my first company folded in a media storm and i can guarantee you that was one of the worst experiences of my life no job no pay loan repayments, mortgage, and all the other expenses of life. We in this industry are on a journey and that is what you have to remember there will be hard times and there will be good times i just hope your good times will be in greater number than your hard times...

And for those reading that are yet to experience the good times i wish you all the best of luck and hope the new year will be the best of your life.

PS one year on from my company going down i've been flying for a new company for 6 months and smiling as much as i can.

munners455
31st Mar 2010, 10:12
G SXTY

A great post that I was able to identify with immediately. Like you I have the same dream and I am in the very early stages of PPL training at Stapleford. 2/3 hours per month is all I can afford to do also.

Reading a lot of posts on here had left me feeling disillusioned, wondering whether I should be pursuing a dream that I would have to fund at my own, large, expense. I am now in no doubt that I should stick it out, even if my PPL does take 2 years to complete. :bored:

Thank you for sharing your experience, it was the tonic I have been looking for. :ok:

Mig21F
2nd Apr 2010, 18:35
Thanks G-sxty
Trully inspiring reading. It makes it easier for the rest of us to keep on fighting for our dream:ok:
Best of luck.

macdo
8th Apr 2010, 16:36
G-sixty
Great post and a sensible warts and all story which certainly mirrors my own way into the industry, even my first solo was at Stableford, probably in the same c150, though I did it in 1985!
What comes across to me is how luck and timing play such a big part in our lives no matter how hard you work. I hit the big early 90's recession and took a while to get employed, as happened to many at this time. Yet a mate of mine with no jet time, chatted to the right person and ended up in Virgin as a SO. If you are unemployed at the moment, keep trying as everyone gets lucky eventually.