Waddington Airshow

[The Real Slim Shady]

Just had a look at the display programme for next week on the Airshow website.

Strikes me as thin in the extreme!! No large aircraft, no Harrier, very little NATO involvement..

RAF role demo......departures and recoveries...take offs and landings! Hardly counts as a display!

When the forces are stretched it is understandable that air displays take the back burner, however, it does generate a lot of PR and goodwill.

[BEagle]

http://www.waddingtonairshow.co.uk/displaysQ.asp

Not bad at all, given that there's a war or two on at the moment.....

[CrazyMonkey]

Shady. What are you on? The line up looks awesome...I'm sure the public will love the show and enjoy the Role Demo (which has had rave reviews this year).

[sunshine band]

It should be a good show- weather permitting! Just watch for the hawks out-turning the Tonkas in the Role Demo dogfight... :ok:

SB

[LookingNorth]

No large aircraft... E-3D and B-52? How large do you want?!

[Green Flash]

And the Pat Ags are at Waddo and not RIAT this year. Given that the Casa isn't exactly blessed with tons of power I think they are one of the best teams I've seen.:ok:

[10enggone]

Even the chance that the mighty Vulcan could fly + all the other demos think that even if the RAF wasn't so streched the only thing missing is the Harrier....probably prepping ready for an appearance on ITV1 :rolleyes:

[Mobile Muppet]

No Hercs flying?

[Green Flash]

Maybe Herc on the role demo? You know the scenario, Tonkas get everyones heads down, Albert TALO's, couple of WMIK's full of Rocks armed to the teeth + smoke out of the back, Herc reverses, Rocks back on board and a quick lurk over the far hedge. Oh, and try not to set fire to half the airfield either .....:eek::}

[gareth herts]

Compared to Cosford, the first official RAF show of the season and the only event of it's kind in the Midlands, Waddington has a stunning line-up.

RAF support at Cosford was very strong but very little thought seems to go in to the event other than that, certainly not in terms of improving the experience and freshening the event up year on year.

Hope the weather holds and the Vulcan makes it for everyone attending Waddo this weekend........

[TheWizard]

Maybe Herc on the role demo? You know the scenario, Tonkas get everyones heads down, Albert TALO's, couple of WMIK's full of Rocks armed to the teeth + smoke out of the back, Herc reverses, Rocks back on board and a quick lurk over the far hedge. Oh, and try not to set fire to half the airfield either .....:eek::}

Not this year

[exscribbler]

From the Waddington website:

This year's show will contain a new updated and exciting Role Demonstration highlighting the RAF's devastating fire power. The 45 minute demonstrations will include Tornado GR4, F3, Hawk, Chinook, Apache and E3-D aircraft and will be supplemented by a fascinating recreation of a desert deployed operating base situated between 3 & 4 Hangars. Come along and see how the battle is planned and controlled and view the miriad of units that are required to put such an operation together.

[Wensleydale]

If only the weather forecast supported the idea of a "desert deployed operating base" then we would be happy. As it is, the BBC 5 day guess reckons that it will be heavy rain again with a 13 knot easterly at 15 degrees! Not what I remember the desert to be....

Wellies On Again.

[Pontius Navigator]

The role demo is part of the new media and comms strategy rolled out so successfully last year at Abindgon and Kinross.










Or did I miss something? :}

[spheroid]

If you are looking at an airshow which is thin on the ground regarding aviation then take a look at Yeoviltons..... An embarrassment

Visitors : RNAS Yeovilton Air Day 2008 : RNAS Yeovilton : Naval Bases & Air Stations : Establishments : Operations and Support : Royal Navy (http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.5020)

[I've_got a traveller]

Rain, Rain, Rain and some more rain:(

I wonder if the organisers have implemented any changes to avoid a repeat of last years fiasco.

[The Real Slim Shady]

Looking at weather.com Sunday is forecast to be even worse.

[Zoom]

Civilian Aircraft - Flying
Avro Vulcan XH 558 - Vulcan to the Sky Trust

Hard to believe it's a civilian aircraft now.

[exscribbler]

Look, I've got the message - it's going to p*ss down all Saturday and they'll cancel the flying display so I miss it two years in a row and you lot are going on Sunday when the sun will shine and all will be well.

Now can we discuss how poor it'll be when compared with the Battle of Britain Days in the 50s and 60s? I remember when Middleton St George was a Lightning OCU and...

[threeputt]

Don't be such girls:

If it rains, go to the beer tent.
If it's sunny, go to the beer tent.
If your wife is going shopping in Lincoln, go to the beer tent.

Are you getting the message now?

See you all there, in the 44(Rhodesia) Sqn Assoc beer tent.

3P:ok:

[Green Flash]

Wellies On Again. .... er, well, .... you been to Kabul in January?

[Vim_Fuego]

I have to say I've been really impressed by the Airshow FM radio station that has sprung up over the past couple of days (or at least thats when I noticed the banner and tuned it in).

Now Lincolnshire isn't blessed with the best in local radio to start with but these people who I think are sitting in the old ATC tower are giving Linc's FM a run for their money.

Goodness knows how much it costs to pay royalties for all the songs they play, the gear and the license to transmit but all in all, and I don't say this very often, well done!

[exscribbler]

Good advice, 3P. I shall be in the beer tent and the food tent. If you meet my old mate R*y T****s in the 44 (Rhodesia) Sqn beer tent do buy him a drink. :ok:

[mr fish]

if we all say pretty please will the greeks put one of their phantoms up?
j79s in full reheat, now THATS entertainment:ok:

[exscribbler]

And it would get me out of the beer tent PDQ! It's nearest we'll get to an F-4K these days. :ok: But do not underestimate the power of a Vulcan to empty any kind of tent...

[50+Ray]

Regards to all of my era in the 44(Rhodesia) beer tent Three Putt. Currently looking at 700m vis in thck dust and nearly 40C. Maybe in a couple of years...
Ray

[BEagle]

Still wearing those 'Zimbabwe Air Legion' tee shirts, eh Ray?

[I've_got a traveller]

It's still going to rain!:eek:

[dilly]

Any news on the Vulcan - is it actually going to be flying at Waddo this year?? Rumours are that it won't be.....

[TEEEJ]

Mr fish wrote,

if we all say pretty please will the greeks put one of their phantoms up? j79s in full reheat, now THATS entertainment

The latest is that the Greeks F-4s are not attending the airshow.

TJ

[The Real Slim Shady]

BBC Central News had an interview with the Head of Engineering who reckoned that 558 would be going on static.

[topgas]

if we all say pretty please will the greeks put one of their phantoms up? j79s in full reheat, now THATS entertainment

Last time I saw the Greek F4 at RIAT, you could smell the AVGAS 100 yards away, there were trays underneath to catch the leaks, and all the other aircraft were parked a respectable distance away

[BEagle]

all the other aircraft were parked a respectable distance away

Not surprising if they'd filled it with 'AVGAS'....:rolleyes:

[komac2]

if you think your hard done by re: airshow particpation in the uk check out this line up from the second largest airshow in NZ this year and check out this :rolleyes:massive array of military hardware that performed at the RNZAF OHAKEA Open day 2008.

Details of OHAKEA Open Day

Gates open 9am - 3pm
Admission is $10 family, $5 adult and $2 child over 5 year
Cancellations of the Open Day will be aired on Classic Hits 97.82ZAFM.
Programme of events:

0900 hrs Gates open to the public. Base Band Performing.
1000 hrs Static Displays open - Deployed themes. Air Force Trades displays, Air Force Aircraft.
(http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/aircraft/default.htm)1030 hrs Flying display commences.
1140 hrs Ground displays, including Ohakea Maori Cultural Group.
1455 hrs Flying Display ends.
1500 hrs Open Day ends.
1700 hrs Gates closed to the public.
Military aircraft on display:

C-130 Hercules (http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/aircraft/hercules.htm)
P-3K Orion (http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/aircraft/orion.htm)
F-111
CT-4E Air trainers (http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/aircraft/airtrainer.htm)
UH-1H Iroquois (http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/aircraft/iroquois.htm)
Red Checkers aerobatic team (http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/training-elements/central-flying-school.htm)
Kiwi Blue parachute team (http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/training-elements/ground-training-wing.htm).Civilian aircraft on display:

P-40 (x2)
Corsair
Trojan Thunder
Mustang WWI (Avro 504 and Pfalz)
MX-2
Roaring 40s Harvards
Yakrobats
Hughes 500
Pitts Special
DC-3.Representatives from the Manawatu Microlight Club and Wanganui – Manawatu Gliding Club.
N.B. There will be no C-17 or Spitfire as previously advertised.

RNZAF - Ohakea Open Day 2008 (http://www.airforce.mil.nz/operations/whats-on/airshows-opendays/ohakeaopenday2008.htm)

[unclenelli]

Vim
When I was at Waddo a few years back, Airshow FM was run and equipped by Lincs FM (or may have been BBC Lincolnshire), so any royalties were paid for that way. They saved money by using volunteer DJs (a guy from the Waddo Kart club was one)
That way, you have broadcasters who at least have some knowledge of what's going on rather than the usual coverage of all things military.

[exscribbler]

It's going to p*ss down, ergo crap vis, no flying and no light at the end of the tunnel. Anyone anything positive to say?

[Guzlin Adnams]

:uhoh: Think it will have to be Duxford next week then. The weather sounds b awful for this weekend. Somebody get Brown to sort it out please.....:\
Mrs GA and the half pints won't want to get drenched again....poo

[sunshine band]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/558wad1800.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/558land1800.jpg

Guess who turned up today?

[Climebear]

What a great sight.

And for those of us who don't like living that close to the Equator, she'll hopefully be at Leuchars on 13 September too.

[exscribbler]

And the weather improved - so why did I worry? Incidentally, 558 emptied every tent for miles around merely by taxying out. :ok:

[FCWhippingBoy]

Didn't she just ... And that howl ...

[exscribbler]

I don't know about anyone else but where I was standing there were grown men showing their emotions without embarrassment - me included. :{ :ok:

[alC]

Brilliant weather despite forecasts. Vulcan looked majestic. Well done to all concerned.
Anyone know why the B52 didn't display?

Where's the after sun?

[Shiver me timbers!]

Just got back - face as red as a tomato!

I also wondered what happened to the B52. Didn't hear an annoucement or anything... :confused:

It was a fantastic day - highlights apart from the Vulcan were the Blades and the typhoon just to top things off at the end!

:)

[FCWhippingBoy]

Same Scribbler ... although don't tell the missus!

alC ... The B52 was possibly suffering from jealousy after 558 stole the show, and the aftersun is currently doing the rounds in our front room :}

[Horrible Little Man]

I wonder how many photos were taken of XH558, I'd say thousands!

http://www.ghostrecon.net/fileman/users/van/05072008279.jpg

[goudie]

The B52 was possibly suffering from jealousy after 558 stole the show,

As a Vulcan did at Boscombe Down some years ago when it took off after the B52 (boring) display

Envy all you guys at Waddo today.

[ZH875]

XH558, Welcome Back. :)

Well done to the Reds for even trying to display. The Typhoon & Spitfire display was something else, very well co-ordinated. The Spanish display, was very entertaining, with a constant stream of different groups of aircraft coming in different directions. Seeing a pair of Avro's finest bombers in formation, will hopefully convince sponsors that there is a need for the Vulcan on the display circuit.

But most amazing was the rush of people when the sound of Olympus Engines became louder, I reckon more photographs were taken than on a Japanese coach party visit to London.

[ChristiaanJ]

Thousand miles away, so I only saw the video.

But a lump in my throat just the same.

[NURSE]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i11/darrenpyper/IMG_1937.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i11/darrenpyper/IMG_1938.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i11/darrenpyper/IMG_1939.jpg


well there's 3 of them of 558 & 474

[alC]

Two photos from my camera.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s240/amcr055/IMG_2800.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s240/amcr055/IMG_2779.jpg

[NURSE]

Very Nice Alc

[blue monday]

Got up early doors, looked at the TAF,not happy driving a 200 mile round trip with such a risk of sh:mad: wx, was really looking forward too it too :{

[nacluv]

Morning all.

Just a couple from me - fantastic day at Waddo yesterday. Dream come true with 558 going up. Finally!

On the stand...

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/kwilson1965/waddo2008/P6010166.jpg


Being pulled forward for start-up...
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/kwilson1965/waddo2008/P6010178.jpg


Moment of truth...
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/kwilson1965/waddo2008/P6010181.jpg

And the crowd went wild.

Overhead...
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/kwilson1965/waddo2008/P6010195.jpg


Finally for now, the Woodford twins...
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/kwilson1965/waddo2008/P6010200.jpg


Cheers, Nac

[nacluv]

OK, whilst I'm in a posting mood, here's a bit more.

One of the more interesting displays earlier on was the 'Coningsby's old and new' formation, i.e. the BBMF PR XIX and a Eurofighter Typhoon. The performance disparity was clear for all to see - the PR was gunning it's nuts off, and the 'Phoon was reared up like a startled horse. Afterwards, the PR's Griffon was popping and crackling like crazy when it came in on it's downwind leg. Poor thing!

Here's the AOA comparison...
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/kwilson1965/waddo2008/P6010172.jpg

The French Mirage display later on (just before 558) was also excellent. The driver really went for it. Best bit was the 500+kt r to l run followed by the 30kt run l to r, with the thing stood right up on it's tail. Mental.

I spoke to some of the Buff crew for quite a while and they said they only had a 5% chance of displaying. The main reason was not the weather - it was weight! Where they were stood (right behind 558) the tarmac was not able to support their fuelled-up weight, so it was stood there almost dry - hence why the outriggers were 5ft clear of the floor. They would have had to taxi over to the other side of the airfield to fuel up, and the scheduling didn't look like being able to accommodate that. Great shame.

Many thanks to Lizabeth Grupe (the Buff's co-pilot on this occasion, but a Buff QFI by day) and the time she and her crew gave to a great many members of the public.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/kwilson1965/waddo2008/P6010167.jpg

[tonker]

We got here late and were a bit dissapointed. Arrived at 1pm to good weather and in the next 90 minutes saw a Merlin, a Typhoon depart and then the Spitfire Typhoon combo. With the now blue sky and huge gaps between displays, our kids were bored stiff.

Vulcan Lancaster combinationation was very good and the Vulcan the star of this show. The Spitfire Typhoon display i undertood why it was put together, but the noise of the Typhoon obviously dwarfed the Griffon! Had the Spitfire started and then been joined by the Typhoon which displayed as the Spitfire landed i think the whole thing would have been a better spectacle and listening experience. You would never put a grand piano with a rock guitar if you know what i mean.

ps not enough bogs, and £16 for 3 hotdogs.

[exscribbler]

tonker - arrived at 1300? Part-timer! We left at 0645 and were at the airfield by 0800 - just in time for bacon sandwiches and coffee.

[microlight AV8R]

Heartiest congrats to all those who've put in so much work to get 558 on the display circuit.
I don't mind admitting that I get emotional every time I watch a video of her. What an incredible achievement and I'm glad I have contributed my pennies to this endeavour, a labour of love if ever I saw one.
Thanks to those who have posted photos for us to share the spectacle.:ok:

[tonker]

We departed at 9.00 am and arrived at 1pm! This with 3 boys all under 5:}

[The Real Slim Shady]

I spent several years on the organising committee of the Finningley Show and the 3 biggest problems, which arose year on year, were access / egress, toilet facilities and the display programme.

The display co-ord had to work on the basis of "promises" or " we'll have a look at that" and very few, particularly the new overseas visitors, would commit until the last minute. The returners would often be the first to put their names down as they had enjoyed it so much in the past.

The access, and egress problems were compounded by the weather: regardless of whether it rained and the airfield became a bog leaving vehicles and people stranded, or the sun blazed down and huge numbers turned up at the last minute blocking roads for miles around, the traffic people really struggled.

The toilet facilities are incredibly expensive to hire and install: at FY around 20% of the entire budget went on the toilet facilities. The balance between spending not enough and having inadequate numbers and spending too much and having an over abundance is tricky, as there is no real way to forecast the attendance other than working on the previous year figures.

Bearing in mind that the main attraction, 558, only got clearance the day before, the visitor numbers probably rocketed in the 12hours before the start and changes at that point are impossible.

£16 for 3 hotdogs? Even more expensive than Ryanair!

Excellent to see 558 back in the display. Last flew that airframe on 16 March 1982!

[Shiver me timbers!]

Nothing too special but I guess more the merrier. Last one is the Patrulla Aguila / Spanish Air Force.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u220/VORD1/PICT0048.jpg

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[NDW]

Liking the shots.....:ok:
I have to say on waddington airshow this year....People will probably disagree with me, but I thought it was a shambles except from the Vulcan display, Typhoon and spitfire and the Falcons....

The commentry wasn't very good at all... Delays between aircraft displays....Over priced food and drink e.g. Bottle of coke for £2.50....:mad:.

Also Have to give it to the reds for putting on a O.K show...weather was S**t...They seemed to pull the crowds for a short while.

Does anyone know where the 1st Typhoon departed too..?

It just dissappered ?

Well thats my say from it....I won't be going there next year...It will be R.I.AT all the way :ok:

[Sl4yer]

The first Typhoon was headed for Silverstone, to return and display at Waddington. But technical issues delayed it to the end, and I believe it didn't display at Silverstone at all.

[NDW]

Ok thanks sl4yer

[Old Ned]

I think it was BEagle who said, on the 558 thread: "In future there will be 2 kinds of air show, those with the Vulcan displaying and those with no punters" (or words to that effect). Right on BEagle, if Waddington is anything to go by.

558 I love yer :ok:

Pip Pip ON

[Magic Mushroom]

I would suggest that those chimping about food prices are displaying a degree of naivety. Pack a picnic in a rucksack, eat what you want, avoid the queues, avoid the inevitably inflated prices of food vendors at such public events.

This public information bulletin was provided by,
MM:ok:

[NURSE]

NDW i have to agree with you re prices and delays in Programme. Is it me or at the "Big" shows is there more breaks in the Programme? My first airshows were the Ulster air show at Newtown ards where there was usually a fairly continuous programme. Waddington seams to have long breaks and went to Farnborough a bout 5 years ago and it was the same picture.
IMHO Waddington were relying on the Vulcan to pull the crowds and the RAF Role demmo to keep them entertained to be honest the role demo was a complete waste of time not only due to the non existant commentry but it just doesn't work in explaining what the airforce does.
For a Major RAF based show covering Northern England and Midlands I would have hoped the RAF could have supplied more and persuaded other allies to send aircraft thanks to the Spannish, Germans, Dutch ,Chilieans,Italians and Americans for providing Static aircraft and the Chileans, Spanish and French for contributing to the air display.
This is the RAF's 90th Birthday Year so a show like this should have had alot more to see or is the RAF putting all the eggs in the RIAT basket which is fine if you are willing to travel to the other end of the country the People of the North of England and the Midlands pay the same taxes as those in the south so why shouldn't they expect the Airforce they pay for to put on a good show somewhere they can get to. Yes budgets are tight (not only for the forces) and there is overstretch. But a big well run event like waddington can and does help keep the airforce in the public eye, helps recruit and makes people ask elective representitives why proper resources aren't being allocated.

[BEagle]

I think it was BEagle who said, on the 558 thread: "In future there will be 2 kinds of air show, those with the Vulcan displaying and those with no punters" (or words to that effect).

I did indeed!

Although I don't think I said 'punters'?

BTW, I had to fly (as pax) elsewhere today - did '558 perform again? Wx was dog$hit at Birrmigoom airport when I left, hope it was better at Waddo.

[MadsDad]

Assorted comments from general member of the unwashed:-

1. Queue to get in - 1 1/2 hours for last two miles not good. Finally got there at 11 (planned 10 - 10.15, hopeful 9.30).
2. Queue to get out. Getting out of airfield was, actually, ok, within expected limits (except memo to assh*le three cars in front - you don't have to let EVERY car into the queue) but (and nothing to do with organisers) idiot cop on point duty a couple of miles South, 5 demerit points (I think his dad was in the queue up the side road).
3. What on earth was that stuff served as coffee in the Hangar Cafe. Looked (and tasted) like watered milk. Hot chocolate was as bad apparently.
4. Couldn't the met office have moved the clouds away earlier.
5. Displays generally good, but see below.
6. Saw Arrows 'flat' display for first time and I think I preferred it to main display (banking turn with 'low' aircraft not far off deck and 'top' must have been going 'where has everyone else gone' as he went through cloud was impressive.
7. Typhoon/Spitfire display was brilliant (query: surely Spitfire pilot must have had turbulence problems when he went through wash from Typhoon?)
8. Shame about B52, was looking forward to that.
9. Had lump in throat when Vulcan/Lancaster went past, could barely talk (unusual for me). (Also comment from MadsLad 'it was louder than that when we saw it at RIAT', answer being 'yes, but no burners this time').
10. Role display was good. To be fair the Navy display at Yeovilton is more impressive but, as t'Lad said, 'they have lots of helicopters hovering round, the aircraft have to go away and then come back, so there are bigger gaps'. (And did the bloke off the Chinook, last back on, really hurt his leg? If yes hope you get well soon).
11. In queue on way out, from MadsLad, nodding towards a gang of ATC Cadets being harried by a sergeant 'looks just like herding cats'

Finally from MadsMum, who isn't that interested in aviation, 'it was a brilliant day out'. (And those of you from Yorkshire will know exactly what that means). And from me thank you to all who organised and flew for the event.

[exscribbler]

Comment from one of the rich people.

Getting there, getting in, getting parked and getting out - Red Route sticker = no problem - the Flt Sgts were still calling me Sir even after they'd seen the FLY NAVY sticker in the back window...

Getting round - no problem - limo service available to Alpha Dispersal with pick-up if you were too idle to walk back - not me, BTW!

Eating - no problem - food provided: bacon sandwiches (note plural) and coffee on tap. Excellent buffet lunch with more food than you could even think of eating. Tea at 1630 with cream and jam scones, profiteroles, drinks. If you wanted beer you had to pay.

Seeing the displays - no problem - we were right at the front; how many car alarms did the Mirage set off when he made that low pass at 500+ kts?

Yes, there were gaps in the show and yes the weather was pretty horrid early on but I remember being sent home early from the Sunday show last year and anything was better than that. OK, I remember the RAF At Homes (usually Middleton St George when it was a Vampire OCU and later a Lightning OCU) where it was wall-to-wall aircraft jostling for position to display but there are two wars on at the moment.

All in all it was a brilliant day which cost my mate and I £90 each and it was worth every penny just to see 558. Next year? Certainly! And before you all jump on me - when we had 3 kids at home we couldn't afford to pay that sort of rate for our entertainment. Just wait until you're old like me and one or two others on here and then you'll be able to! :ok:

[Legalapproach]

Have to agree with the comments about the French Mirage. Although unable to go to Waddo this weekend I drove past at about 5pm on Friday when the Miarge ws going through its routine - impressive particularly the fast run followed by the return high alpha pass

[iansmith]

Tickhill to Waddington without pushing the speed limits (honest):

55 minutes from home to parking (at Barn Farm). Short queue on entry -less than 5 minutes.

50 minutes from car park back to home.

Got there for the Spanish display, deliberately late (had other duties to attend to first), which meant I was in the Barn Farm overflow carpark, but walked straight onto a bus which set off within a couple of minutes. Caught the same bus back to the Farm.

In previous years I have left early and got in around 9:00-9:15 with no more than 10 minutes queuing. Getting out has been another matter entirely - the earlier you arrive the longer you queue to get out!

Finningley - I live only 6 miles from the base and still regret miscalculating the traffic the last time the Ligntnings appeared there. I missed them, stuck in traffic only a couple of miles from home having set out over an hour before the show was due to start. I don't know how I got that one so wrong - for some reason my local knowledge worked against me that year. Still plan to go to SA one day to make up for it.

[Beeayeate]

Got soaked in the morning but dried out later. Star was of course XH558. Magnificent achievement by all concerned. Must admit I was originally one of the many doubters but now . . . well, it all came together yesterday for thousands of people.

The pic I wanted was 558 and 602 together. Knew it had to taxy past its old stablemate so . . .

http://www.canberra.plus.com/pics/Vulcans.jpg
Surprisingly many around me at the time hadn't actually thought of that!

It will become obligatory in years to come to have taken and show your photo of the two Avros in flight yesterday. This is one of mine. I say one of because age is giving me more camera shake these day so I was pleased to get something that didn't look like an out of focus butterfly following a wasp.
http://www.canberra.plus.com/pics/avro2.jpg

As for the cost of food! Well, all I can say is do what we did, take your own.

I suppose the biggest niggle yesterday was the commentator. Displayed a total, and embarassing, lack of knowledge and sounded like an over-excited space cadet at a village fete. For an International Air Show the RAF could (and should) do better.

:ok:

[splitbrain]

BBC report on the show and 558

BBC NEWS | England | Lincolnshire | Thousands watch Vulcan's display (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/7491918.stm)

The last two paragraphs...


There were 134 Vulcans built and the plane also saw action during the Falklands conflict. It was later used as an air-to-air refuelling aircraft.

Was it indeed?

[BEagle]

Yes - with a single Mk17 HDU in an 'MFI wardrobe' under the tailcone.

And a very nice stable platform to refuel from it was too!

See The Royal Air Force - History Section (http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/vforce4.html)

[iansmith]

I put what explanation I could find in the 558 folder

[passpartout]

How did the display compare with the old RAF display of the 80S? I've memories of the Vulcan being pretty much the best display jet around.

I guess they will be much more gentle with it these days

[Sl4yer]

How did the display compare with the old RAF display of the 80S? I've memories of the Vulcan being pretty much the best display jet around.

I guess they will be much more gentle with it these days

Very much so. Sedate compared to the way it used to be displayed, but for very good reason I suppose. Also much quieter than I remember it - I suspect that lower engine power is used now with the aircraft being much lighter than it was in 1993, and engine parts being in short supply.

Finningley - I live only 6 miles from the base and still regret miscalculating the traffic the last time the Ligntnings appeared there. I missed them, stuck in traffic only a couple of miles from home having set out over an hour before the show was due to start. I don't know how I got that one so wrong - for some reason my local knowledge worked against me that year. Still plan to go to SA one day to make up for it.

I remember being sat in the traffic jam for the same show, and seeing the Lightning disappear vertically into the clouds! That was the last time I saw one flying I think. That was a very grey day too!

[splitbrain]

Thank BEagle, I either never knew that or had completely forgotten. More likely the former.

[exscribbler]

passpartout: Though the punters (and me and you) would love it, I doubt if we'll ever again see the old party trick of take off and pull straight up into the wide blue yonder which used even to make our glorious allies go very quiet. Memories! :ok:

But just seeing 558 yesterday rolling down the runway and taking off at her old home was enough for me. :{

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm250/exscribbler/EELightningF61a1.jpg?t=1215380730

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm250/exscribbler/EELightningF62.jpg?t=1215380771

iansmith: These were taken at Funningley in 1984. Any good?

[XL319]

I just hope and pray they receive the funding /sponsorship to keep her going! It would be a shame to see all the hard work ruined.

Have to say it's one the the head turners!!!! Wish we could get a Victor to fly with her. The Victor is a unsung hero in all of this.

[iansmith]

You were one of the lucky ones, exscribbler - and a good photo response to rub it in :{

If memory serves I did get one sight of them, but I may be confusing with another occaision or a video. The memory is of a 4 ship hurtling over my car in the murk and rain as the last pass over the airfield.

Now, how about this memory. Finningley. 1977 I think. Jubilee Airshow. JPs in a 25 formation. Oh, and unless I have confused it with a different year, a 4 SHIP VULCAN SCRAMBLE.

The earth moved for me!

[iansmith]

The cost for me was about the same as a trip to see Leeds Utd lose at home in the rain. So by comparison it was good value!

[exscribbler]

Was that 1977? I thought 1984 at most but of course it was HM The Queen's Silver Jubilee.

I well remember the Vulcan 4-ship and yes, the earth moved for most people within a 5-mile radius of Finningley but for some reason I don't recall Lightnings. Worse still, I've lost my photographs from that day. :{

[kluge]

I still have the program from that event.

IIRC Douglas Bader was there also.

[iansmith]

IIRC Finningley had a relatively new facility built there not long before it closed - a Navigation school or something similar, plus had recently had some sort of runway upgrade or refurb. What did the RAF want it back for and in place of which other field? Church Fenton?

It was a sad day for us when the flying stopped - a bit of local colour had gone and the bucket and spade LoCos don't make up for it. By and large the RAF were good to the locals in terms of flying disturbance - I remember night flights being relatively infrequent and usually preceeded by warnings in the local press.

[Vulcan 903]

Nice photos of the Vulcan and Lancaster.

Was it the intention for the Lanc to re fuel the Vulcan :hmm:

[Gainesy]

Pah, yoofs.:)

First Finningley BoB At Home Day I went to, there was an airfield attack by 12 Lincolns being fought off by a gaggle of Meatboxes and Vampires plus about 10 Rockape 40mm Bofors blatting away with blanks. Star of the show was a brand new silver (not white) Valiant in the static surrounded by Snoops and their dogs. Oh and a Hunter planting sonic booms. That was 1957 or 1958 I think.

Vulcan four-ship scrambles were every year except for one in the early sixties when they swopped four Victors for a change.

[gareth herts]

Morning all

There are some lovely shots doing the rounds of the two-seat VAAC Harrier which displayed at Yeovilton this weekend.

Just wondered how it is that this aircraft was able to participate in the flying display? I thought display pilots had to practise for months and then have their routines signed-off by big wheels from up high? Can excpetions be made for daring test pilots??!!

TIA

Gareth

[It's Life Jim 208]

I managed to finish nights at 0400hrs so I went to the Airshow Here are my observations for what they are worth.

Traffic situation locally going in wasn't bad at all Dragon Ops dropped me off in the village so went in the pedestrian gate, the entry fee at the gate £20 for pedestrians mmmm. No discretionary prices for serving members or veterans, puts a bit of a mockery on all those posters "once in the RAF always in the RAFBF" especially after doing 32 years in the RAF.

Static display not bad considering what's going on in the world, altough some of those aircrews could be a little more helpful. The spams next to the E-3C, who had no-one else to speak to, when asked what the new bumps on the nose were? Replied "somthing to do with the radar system". No sh*t Sherlock, sorry I asked.

Great to see 558 (the main reason for going) pity about the silly cockpit cover for the photographers when she was parked on the Lazy.

Where did they dig up that silly woman commentator from, okay for the lost children announcements but she obviously knows didly about aircraft.

Yes, the food prices were very expensive, yes agree about picnics but if you're on foot and alot of locals were, proved by the numbers on the shuttle buses from Lincoln. Then one has to lug around what you need, cameras, umbrella, waterproofs, drinks, purchases from stalls So £2.50 for a small tray of chips is pricey, is there a fixed pricing system going on ? An entrepener selling them at £1.50 would be maxed out.

Generally the vendor stall selling books and aviation related items were very good.

Absolutely gutted that 558 didn't fly, the Gods had cleared the sky for her slot, sadly there appeared to be an electrical problem, the crew tried 3 times but to no avail at least the Elephant Walk was appreciated, around me the soaked shivering stalwarts were very understanding.

I HAVE ONE MAJOR COMPLAINT - WHO WAS THAT BIG HEADED IDIOT FROM THE RED ARROWS WHO ANOUNCED THE BRITISH GP RESULT AND WENT ON TO BRAG ABOUT BEING IN THE PIT LANE AT SILVERSTONE , SHAME ON YOU, ENGAGE BRAIN BEFORE OPENING MOUTH! It had to be explained to him that many of the Hoy Poloy at the show were recording it to watch later.

All in all not a bad day out, the weather tried it's best to ruin the show at times, the Display did have some very long gaps, how about getting some of those military vehicles to parade along the crowd line when you have a 20min gap in future. The Spit and Typhoon display was fantastic, BBMF superb, lets hope 558 achieves the same serviceability rate of PA474 in future.

An abject apology from RED10 would go down well on here, then again I bet he wouldn't lower himself.

Oh and the tall Sqn Ldr who had to eventually move his Astra because he blocked the Fire Safety Lane and also blocked the Chefs in, just south of the VIP Tent, you also blocked the clear view of 558 when she was running up for alot of the crowd in that area as well, thanks mate.

Rick S

[sunshine band]

An abject apology from RED10 would go down well on here, then again I bet he wouldn't lower himself.

He lost my vote when he said on the radio on Saturday that "the Blues celebrated their 90th anniversary on 1st April this year". He's not part of the RAF then? He had no rank slides on his flying jacket- maybe he's not...

[FCWhippingBoy]

:ugh:

Can't please all of the people all of the time .....

[exscribbler]

FCWhippingBoy: There's just no pleasing some folk... :ugh:

Gainsey: I bet you remember when the full-size version of this baby was in squadron service: :E

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm250/exscribbler/P1010283.jpg?t=1215429511

95% of the thousands there on Saturday had come for one thing only; any one need reminding?
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm250/exscribbler/IMG_5046.jpg?t=1215429990

Good stuff, clicker! :ok:

[clicker]

I'm surprised no-one has made a comment on the Indian Air Force turn out given the distance I oresume they came.

http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php/58091/IMG_1164.JPG

Quite pleased with this shot.

http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php/58091/IMG_1292.JPG

and I can leave without a picture of 558

http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php/58091/IMG_1313.JPG


And thanks to the Lieutenant Commander from 849 who I had an interesting chat with.

[EyesFront]

There are some lovely shots doing the rounds of the two-seat VAAC Harrier which displayed at Yeovilton this weekend.



Yeovilton was good - especially considering the weather. There was less in the static park than usual, though the French Frelon crew were handing out cups of wine, and the flying was compromised by the very strong cross-wind, blowing into the face of the crowd. The wind got worse after lunch, and it was impressive to see good flying from aircraft like the Qinetiq Harrier, Wasp, Merlin, Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen, Hunter, Mustang and F86. Given the wind, I was hugely impressed with the stick & rudder work in the Wasp and the Harrier, but the Sea Vixen looked magnificant and was almost worth the £20 entrance fee alone. The Typhoon opened the display very nicely – then stayed at Yeovilton instead of flying out. FRADU did a nice, tight formation display with their Falcons and Hawks, the ‘Black Cat’ team displayed their Lynxes and the Royal Artillery parachute display team jumped out of a Lynx – one chap had to cut away his chute as he got dragged along the ground after landing. There was also some lunatic rolling his glider on tow, while another lunatic flew rolls around him... The wind prevented flying by some aircraft (e.g. Swordfish, Gnat, Sea Hawk) and BBMF wisely gave it a miss, but we had the bonus of C17 ZZ172 landing to bring a Sea King home from the Middle East. With the weather worsening, the organisers brought the finale forward to 1530 and it started to rain quite heavily half way through. Have to say that the commentators were excellent, and it was a bonus being able to get in and out of the car park so easily...

I'm really envious of everyone who saw '558 flying, but hope to see her at Farnborough in a couple of weeks.

[kokpit]

Went on Saturday and have to pass on my sincere thanks to all involved.

Arrived without queue at nine, just a bimble down the lane and across the threshold. Thought the organisation was great, and the efforts of the lads and lasses throughout the day was comendable!

Anyway, a few from me, it was grand to see the old girl up in her natural environment again :D

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_6575.jpg


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_7199.jpg


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_7535.jpg


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_7713.jpg


I thought the role demo was great, and it only seemed to better the reputation of the Air Force from what I could tell, seemingly well appreciated by Joe.

During it, this caught my eye:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_8052.jpg


This was simply majestic:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_6722.jpg


And the Tonka's looked grand as well:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_7820.jpg


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/IMG_7829.jpg


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_7833.jpg

Again, thanks to all involved, I think you did yourselves proud, particularly considering the weather that was thrown at you. :D

[papajuliet]

Must point out that it was the Major government that closed Finningley.

[FCWhippingBoy]

The Typhoon opened the display very nicely – then stayed at Yeovilton instead of flying out.
That's because it went tech at Yeovilton and couldn't get back to Waddo to display :{

I am led to believe the Typhoon that did the solo display later in the day was actually the same one that did the synchro display with the Spitfire! It went back to Coningsby, was turned around, and returned to display later in the day ... now that's service!

[Beeayeate]

While I think about it, one of the best innovations at this year's Waddo was the steel plate drive-ways on the grass. The chap that thought of that deserves a visitor's biscuit or three.


:ok:

[exscribbler]

PSP by any other name? Do you speak as a visitor whose motor wasn't muddied or as a SWO whose grass wasn't damaged? :confused:

[Beeayeate]

PSP? Thought that stood for Perforated Steel Plate, at least it did in my day, and it definitely wasn't that stuff. And I spoke as a mobility scooter user.


:hmm:

[forget]

Bee, Perforated Steel Plate it ain't. Pierced Steel (Airfield) Planking it is.

Offered only in a spirit of correctitude. ;)

[Beeayeate]

Thanks . . . in the spirit of OKitude.

:ok:

[exscribbler]

I didn't get to drive on this PSP-like stuff but I thought it was a definite improvement on last year when my car came home with what seemed to be half Lincolnshire stuck to it. I agree, Bee; BZ, whoever thought of it. :ok:

[tonker]

Must point out it wasn't the major goverment that raped the TRSR2 securing it would never ever fly again.

Now that would be have been nice yesterday wouldn't it Mr Benn:*

[MadsDad]

Forgot to give a special mention also to the people who ran the disabled electric buggy hire stand. Without them Madsmum definitely couldn't have gone so, probably, neither would I.

Many thanks to them for their services.

[wonderboysteve]

I haven`t read any of this so feel free to tell me to f**k off.....

Waddington was all that could be expected under the conditions. As far as I`m concerned as a a punter, all of the crews did their best under the conditions. I only went to see the Vulcan; obviously it went tech but still did a taxi run, for an aircraft built in 1960 what can one expect? Thanks to all involved!!!

[rognjac1]

The temporary roadway used at Wadders was aluminium trackway. The Army have big rolls of the stuff that is unrolled from the back of a flat bed truck. Don't know if what Wadders used was hired in or not, but when I came to leave at 1800 it had all been coned off. A large vertical wave had formed half way along it, making it U/S. Perhaps not pinned down correctly? Oops!

[harrogate]

for an aircraft built in 1960 what can one expect?

An entire tanker fleet for the RAF?

The entire USAF B-52 fleet. Oh no - they're from the '50s.

:8

[Navy_Adversary]

Just a quick thought, 558 was built in 1960? and is the only Vulcan flying in the world.
The B52 Stratofortress was built around the same time and the USAF have loads of em flying all over the place.:cool:

[harrogate]

Weren't the B-52s flying from 1952-ish?

I think they were designed in the mid-to-late 40s.

I know they were accepted into the USAF in '54 or '55.

I would Google it myself, but Google is sooo passé and I've got my street cred to think about.

[dakkg651]

Slight thread drift - unfortunately wasn't at Waddo Sunday because of the Veterans day at Shawbury.

We were supposed to get a 558 flyby because of Jack Haywards presence, but of course it had to cancel.
The Army Historic Flight cancelled because of weather.
The BBMF Dak also cancelled because of weather.
The Royal Navy Swordfish, which only flew for the first time in years earlier in the week, bimbled all the way from Yeolvilton to give us a superb display.

Well done the Navy!

[harrogate]

The Royal Navy Swordfish, which only flew for the first time in years earlier in the week, bimbled all the way from Yeolvilton to give us a superb display.


Yeah, but they've got a couple of those.

They can take the risk :E

[Gainesy]

To be fair the Stringbag probably left Yeovilton on Saturday morning, when the wx was OK, for a Sunday ETA at Strawbs.

[whiz]

Kokpit,
In the pic of the GR4 is that a trick of the light or is the underside of the fuselage really glowing orange? :eek:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/kokpit/Waddington/IMG_8052.jpg

[Out Of Trim]

I'd say that the orange glow under the rear fuselage, is a reflection of the ground pyrotechnic explosions during the Role Demo Display. :ok:

[PPRuNe Pop]

Ummmmm! Seem to have seen that many times. It gets a bit 'hot' and makes the metal glow on the outside as well as the inside.

[nacluv]

Yeah, I would have said that at first, but if you look under the wing tanks, they are glowing too.

Hope the temp in there isn't as high as in the tail pipes... :E

[kokpit]

It gets a bit 'hot' and makes the metal glow on the outside as well as the inside

I very much doubt the engine doors would still be there had they actually been that hot!

However, I must admit to a double take when I first saw the image, especially having worked Tonka for a number of years, thinking of an imminent burn through.

But, as others have said, the reflection is also on the ext tanks, and the glow goes far further forward than does the hot section of the 199.

Nevertheless, an interesting shot I thought.

[311 fan]

Despte the non perfect weather on saturday morning we had a great time. Once the sun come out all was well.
I am originaly from the Czech Republic and I was made to feel very welcome on the Czech airforce Ant 26 at the static display. If you are reading this many thanks for taking the time to show me round and take shelter during the morning shower.

What was the weather like on sunday? Did the Vulcan display on sunday. Was the B52 supposed to do a display on sunday. Looked in great nick considering it was manufactured in 1960 according to the aircrew.

Thanks again for a great show depite the overstrech and the non perfect am weather on saturday

Peter

[311 fan]

I went on saturday and we had a great time. Ok the weather was a bit dodgy first thing but once the sun come out all was well.
Despite the overstretch thanks to all concearned for putting on a good show.

Lovely to see the Vulcan fly and we were impressed by the sight of the B52. was that supposed to do a display.

What was the weather like on sunday?

I am originaly from what is now the Czech Republic and would like to say a special thanks to the crew of the Czech Airforce An 26 which was on the static display. they made me feel very welcome and gave me a great tour of their aircraft and shelter from the shower in the morning. If you are reading this thanks lads!

No probs getting in or out . Arrived just after 8am and left around 4.30pm.

Thanks again to all involved in putting all together

Peter

[Argonautical]

I must own up to feeling a bit emotional after videoing her :-

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/th_vulcan_waddington_08.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/?action=view&current=vulcan_waddington_08.flv)

[Gainesy]

Maybe the Vulcan Howl should be added to the list of sounds (Merlin/Griffon, Hunter Blue Note etc) that commentators should not talk over.

It fairly leaps into the air, what is the weight now compared with the in-service figure?

[sitigeltfel]

It fairly leaps into the air, what is the weight now compared with the in-service figure?

In the recent videos I have seen there is no Nav radar or Nav plotter.

That should reduce the weight considerably ;)

[Gainesy]

WTN
Would a file in a cake be a better bet?

Isn't the Vulcan at RIAT though?

[Vim_Fuego]

Try this WTN:

YouTube - Vulcan Waddington (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GpndSu-VKpg)

[TEEEJ]

The Mirage 2000 display was blistering. The Typhoon and Spitfire/Typhoon combo was also superb! A few snaps.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/f3463e41.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/353e12ea.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/584f93b8.jpg

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http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/11ccaa4c.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/5d739733.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/59c056bc.jpg

TJ

[The Real Slim Shady]

TJ

What equipment are you using?

Those are great shots.

[TEEEJ]

Hi TRSS,

Thanks. Nikon D2X fitted with Nikon Nikkor 300mm f/2.8 VR. On and off with 1.4x and 2.0x teleconverters.

Cheers

TJ

[PictureClear]

Stunning as usual :D

[airsound]

Gainesy - she's now 4.5 tons lighter than she was.

And that's before you take into account the absence of two navs.

As David Thomas says on one of the Vulcan radio pieces - it all makes her a bit pokey.....

airsound

PS That's good stuff from The28Insider on YouTube. Congratulations.

PPS. yes, she should be at RIAT, late morning Saturday, late afternoon Sunday. Also at Farnborough, Fri, Sat, Sun.

[sunshine band]

It was dark, cold and wet, but the photographic opportunities were there:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/spitback1800.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/redcross1red800.jpg

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http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/xh558front800.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/merlinturn1800.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/zh891wad2red800.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/STICKMONKEYTAMER/zj911wad4red800.jpg

8000 photos and Photoshop- what a fun time I am going to have!

SB

[jumpseater]

Sundays weather was pants, by the time the sun peeped out the cam battery was dead, having done a wedding the day before, so I missed the pretty stuff!

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/refshots/stuff/_B6O1255-1.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/refshots/stuff/_B6O1269-1.jpg

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http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/refshots/stuff/_B6O1258-1.jpg

The Mirage was the display of the day though:ok:

[harrogate]

Found a reasonably good video of the Mirage on YouTube.

YouTube - Mirage 2000C at Waddington 08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExhFdKZENE)

Yep. Good that.

[Hammer Head Too]

Not quite on thread as these are not from the Airshow - but she was practicing at Waddo tonight

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v309/52/113/585868004/n585868004_655784_3155.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v309/52/113/585868004/n585868004_655787_3942.jpg

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http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v309/52/113/585868004/n585868004_655797_6673.jpg

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=655785&id=585868004

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HH2

[nacluv]

Just want to say a big "thank you" to everyone who has posted photos on this thread. Without exception, they are all bloody brilliant! Many, many thanks.

I don't recall seeing the Venom though - was that Sunday?

[threeputt]

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but, that Venom is a Vampire T11.

3P:ok:

[exscribbler]

One last shot... :ok:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm250/exscribbler/IMG_5036a1.jpg?t=1215775412

[Lord_Flashheart]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/5d739733.jpg


Some superb pics there - but for the love of all all things sacred.. whose idea was it to put a huge f*''king (f@''king) corporate branding logo underneath the RAF Roundel and squadron flashs?????

Its a sodding military jet folks - it is unlikely to be operated by Burtons, Top Shop or FCUK or whoever is putting Mod targets on their T-Shirts....

What that aircraft needs (following the 19Sqn Hawk repaint) is a grey-green uppers with some invasion stripes added, or if it is off somewhere hot and dusty, sand and dark brown and a nice set of sharks teeth...;)

Not 'Royal Air Force - we're not the Army you know' emblazoned on the ruddy side....

[exscribbler]

Which begs the question as to why 800 and 801 are not allowed to have ROYAL NAVY on their Harriers. :confused:

It is generally accepted that Henry VIII founded the Royal Navy in 1509, so next year could see aircraft emblazoned with "Royal Navy - celebrating 500 years"... :E

[nacluv]

but that Venom is a Vampire T11

OK - that explains why I didn't see a Venom. ;) But I didn't see a Vampire either!!

[threeputt]

Sorry, I assumed that you were referring to photo 4 on post 137.


3P:ok:

[Strelnikov]

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v271/204/6/679862622/n679862622_1006823_1179.jpg

[polyglory]

Nice one:ok:

[nacluv]

Sorry, I assumed that you were referring to photo 4 on post 137

Hi 3P, I was!

I happily accept my mis-ident on the T11. My point was that I was there on Saturday but I didn't see it flying, so I wondered if it only flew (and that photo was taken) on Sunday.

If it flew on Saturday as well, then I missed a treat. Bugger.

[threeputt]

nacluv

I also missed it on Saturday and refer you to my earlier statements, at post 20, as to the reasons why.

Not to worry though I had 6 hours in them, in 1968, as part of my Air Traffic Controller training at Shawbury(cripes that's 40 years ago:{).

Happy days though


3P:ok:

[The Flying Stool]

Hi All,

Quote- "I happily accept my mis-ident on the T11. My point was that I was there on Saturday but I didn't see it flying, so I wondered if it only flew (and that photo was taken) on Sunday.

If it flew on Saturday as well, then I missed a treat. Bugger."

The Vampire T11 flew in to Waddington after the show on Saturday (we were stuck in the car park for almost 3 hours to used the time to have another unobstructed walk around the static park) and did not display. It did perform a cracking display on Sunday. Nice noise too!!!!