Time Building in the Philippines?

[jens40202]

What are the real options of building flight time in the Phils (particularly Mactan) for a 300hr CPL/IR pilot?

[slatch]

Philippines is not a real good place to build time. Aircraft rental prices, fuel costs, atc costs all are high. Plus very few places you can get fuel away from the major training centers. Also to fly alone I believe you need to do a licience conversion. Cost for a C172 is approx $215 an hour. You want to build time go to the western US. You can still rent a C172 for under a $100 wet and have hundreds of airports to choose from.

[jens40202]

Thanks, Slatch. That's one of my options right now but I need to balance it with leaving my small business for spurts at a time in order to build time. I was also looking at the charter scene particularly in Cebu but seems to be very little acitivity. Thanks for your time.

[Don Vito]

"Philippines is not a real good place to build time. Aircraft rental prices, fuel costs, atc costs all are high."

@slatch

fuel prices are high EVERYWHERE. its a world-wide problem. its actually cheaper in the philippines compared to other countries. get your facts straight.

[funnydaytoday2]

@ don vito

actually you should think twice before assuming that the phil is more cheaper . you should get your facts right before opening your mouth. what slatch said is absolutly correct. its much cheaper to in the states to rent a plane and any other charges.... and open your eyes...you really think gas is cheap here.. please... wake up... just consider high taxes one has here compared to other countries... and i for one have compared the phil prices to others... so yeah... i know what im talking about....

good luck jens40202 hope you can do it, happy flying

[slatch]

Don Vito should get around more before making uninformed and unfounded statements........I paid $4.89 last week at TCY in California for 100LL. Went flying wth a friend in the Philippines yesterday and he is paying 82 Peso per Liter for 100LL. Lets see thats about $6.83 a gallon. Oh and you have to go pick it up by the drum in Manila. Oh and dont forget the approx $10 an hour ATC fees. And you want to fly somewhere and spend the night, dont forget security to watch your plane. It just goes on and on. There is no place cheaper to fly than the USA period.

Seeing I have a house in the Philippines and in the US I can easily compare the two.

If your interested in fuel costs in the US just open the link and put in an airport

http://www.airnav.com/fuel/local.html

[Eight Ball]

I agree with Slatch. Flying is much more affordable in the U.S.

I even compared the hiring of a Seneca here to the U.S. and our prices here in the Philippines is much higher. ( ex. Seneca in Clark costs around US$500/hr while in the U.S. cost around $260/hr not to mention the first class facilities and nav aids available.

So, not unless you are unable to get a visa then go to the US and see for yourself.

Will be doing my FAA ATP exam this year for Part 141 and 135. Might as well get an A320 type rating for 13,000 USD (only ) at Miami while at it. I'll just have to check on the budget if it's still okay.

[thornycactus]

What are the real options of building flight time in the Phils (particularly Mactan) for a 300hr CPL/IR pilot?

Forget about the Philippines. United States is the best! :ok:

[AirMicronesia]

You may want to think about coming to Guam. If you buy a block, you can still rent 172s for under $100 USD/hour wet. I checked a few months back and I think it was around $85/hour wet if you plunked down $10,000. You had better like flying between Guam, Saipan, Tinian, and Rota though because otherwise you will need a floatplane.

[JolibeeFlyer]

As a flight instructor for more than 3 years in the USA, and having the oppurtunity to fly in the Philippines for my ATO conversion, I would have to say that the USA offers the most cost effective way to time build.

In my part of the USA, locally in Texas we can offer a glass cockpit C172SP with Air con for about 120 USD wet. That is a 2007 model not to mention.

In the Philippines and for a vast majority of the world, they are comparativley more expensive. Many foreigners have come to me and say "wow! i can't believe the USA is this liberal when it comes to flying. I wish I could fly here."

I have been told the CAA in the UK is short for Campaign Against Aviation.:}

[jens40202]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Jolibeeflyer: Which part of Texas do you fly from? I did some time at Redbird in 1998 but at a rather mismanaged school there.

Just wondering if flight instructing part-time can also be an option in the Philippines (I'm still running a small business at the moment).

Cheers, all!

[JolibeeFlyer]

I am currently here in the Houston area. I am hoping to finally move on to bigger and better things, Cebu Pacific Air.

Believe me, the way that airline is growing it would be a mistake not to take them up. Alot of people think that the USA is the way to go when it comes to flying. Yes in some respects such as the General Aviation Sector but in terms of airlines, it would definitely be in Asia.

I just put my application through at Cebu Pac and hoping to get a call soon.

[jens40202]

I agree with your views - Gen Av in the US has no match elsewhere but the state of aviation as a career is rather pathetic.

I also concur with your point on Cebu Pacific having great potential and I fly with a lot for my business but sad to say even at this early stage of their growth, their customer care really sucks. I just hope that they dont fall into the common notion that low cost means low service mentality.

Anyway, the ATR's at Mactan really awoke my interest again so I hope to pick up where I left off 10 years ago.

Cheers and happy flying!

[dj_lethal]

Sirs:


earning time hours experience is quite difficult and expensive...
and i'm researching some extra strategies to lessen my expenses in flying...


i've read those good info and compared the prices between the US and philippine rate..
plus the aircraft that will be used during training...

(my PPL already costs 200K and renting a cessna 150 worth P4500/HR )


compared to a Modern C172 glass cockpit aircraft in US costs $120/HR
(almost 20$ or P900 difference) $1 - P46.00

after my PPL course, should i continue my CPL here in philippines
or it is more cost effective to have a CPL in US?

what are the process of Converting ICAO to FAA license?

my aunty encourages me to work in US (south carolina) as a
A/C mechanic, after i got my license...

actually, i'm processing right now my ICAO A/P license..
[my SPL is still on process and no NTC yet (Radio Com lic.)
i can't fly right now without those license]
so i grab this opportunity while waiting...


Sirs:

How really nice to work in US?
i'm still thinking right now if i should accept my aunty's offer..


thanks..:cool:

[JolibeeFlyer]

The training and the time building experience in the USA is second to none. As for flying as a professional airline pilot, I prefer to work overseas because of the excitement and the opportunity to get to know my Filipino roots.

I would suggest to become a US FAA CFI (Flight Instructor) because there are many people who want to take flight training especially in the "recession." Time build and then go off to the Philippines like Cebu Pacific. Conversion for me was at least easy because my Tita was an executive secretary at the ATO.

It's cheaper and easier to fly and instruct here in the USA. But the opportunity as an airline pilot is brighter in the Asia Pacific region especially in the Philippines.

Blue Skies :ok:

[cherokee86November]

Socal is the best place to time build guys...

Great weather
Great Babes
Great prices

I fly a 2006 G1000 equipped Skyhawk for $95/hr WET!!! o, and gas here is $5.45/gal last time i flew.....2 days ago

[jens40202]

SoCal is nice but you should also try Florida- lots of instrument approaches within 20mins of each other. You can merry-go-round instrument practice at night. SoCal traffic can be a bitch at times although I will agree with you on the Fil-Am babes!

[cherokee86November]

I meant the Malibu babes man!!!

...the ones i fly over..down there...hehe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/francis03/IMG_2019.jpg

[dj_lethal]

wow!!

thats very interesting!!!:E
and nice view from top view!


can i ask some questions??

1. how many degress will have in deviation and variation in my flightplan
(aircraft during the flight)?

2. can i easily use the VOR DME together with the usage of
"Auto Dalaga Finder":E

3. it is accurate in US using the ruler w/protractor (50NM = 3.2 IN.)

thanks..

[cherokee86November]

I see ur not doing ur HW, kurims...

1. Magnetic variation depends on where u are in the world. I don't know what that variation is in the Philippines. To find out, buy a sectional and look at the isogonic lines and either add or subtract it from true course (east is least, west is best) so, if you see 16*E subtract 16 from true course, and vice-versa if 16*W. Deviation differs from aircraft to aircraft. A good rule for plotting is....

TRUE COURSE
+/-
VARIATION
=
MAGNETIC COURSE
+/-
DEVIATION
=
COMPASS HEADING..... this varies to compensate for wind and keep the desired ground track

2. VOR DME and the ADF are 2 different things. As far as I know, here in the US, NDBs are on their way out. Personally, I have never used the ADF in my 15 months of flying. I dont even know if the skyhawk i fly has one!!

3. Use a plotter.....

I'm actually "tamad" na when i fly coz i use the autopilot and the direct-to function.....makes life so much easier....don't have to go thru all those course calculations....just hit the AP NAV then Voila!

Sit back and enjoy the babes...este, view
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/francis03/IMG_2020.jpg

READ UR PPL BOOKS.......fcoms can wait buddy... learn to walk before you run...

[Eight Ball]

Kurimaw / dj_lethal,

I suggest you enroll in a PPL course mate and learn all this stuff the right way and not here while posting.... medyo nakakahiya -- hussshhh

Even if you don't have the money to fly yet, do the PPL ground school just to get your foot in the door ( just to get you started ).

If you are really stuck for money, I'll lend you my books. I'm sure that should fix these questions.

As the dude before me said, "learn to walk before you run ".

Let me know if you need a tutor for your PPL. I promise I won't charge you that much. ;)........ just kidding

[jester_icarus]

i think kurims/dj has gotten these messages before but failed to heed the words and wisdoms.

cant figure out his angle though? its like he is buried in all of these books and cant find the right one..

speak for yourself 8ball... let me do the instructing..i need the money:O

wala nang pera...

[dj_lethal]

thanks for the advices

i'm reading my PPL book...

i don't have any spatial or vertigo illusions right now..:sad::uhoh::eek:


and also...im a "tamad":E
but i'm trying to find the easiest way to enjoy
my PPL..and some alternative to avoid some long computations...

i'm just asking if using a procractor/ruler is good alternative
if in case you don't have a plotter (in WAC chart only)

but if i use the sectional chart...plotter will be needed
and of course, flight comp. is important to compute all the things
needed before the flight..

accelerated North, decelerated South
East is least, West is Best...

the compass rose can be corrected during cruising flight.
and of course, i need the heading indicator to correct my compass.

lateral axis = longitudinal stability
longitudinal axis = lateral stability.

sqwack 1200 - VFR, it means that im flying + 500FT
sqwack 7700 - its the time when i need attention badly..

as i go in higher altitude...
the pressure decreases then the air becomes thinner
so i need to lean the engine the to have a best performance
or best economy speed...

[jester_icarus]

huh?!???? what?!!??:bored:

[cherokee86November]

Oh boy....

Radio comms anyone??

kurims.....english english english......english sa radyo!!!

If you talk like the way you type, thats a potential communication failure between you and the controller, which can ultimately lead to death :eek:

"my" PPL?? may PPL kna?

O, and don't skim thru the book and type it here (quite frankly, some of the stuff u just typed are nothing short of absurd)...and, alam na namin yan

READ the book THOROUGHLY and just post if you have any questions.....

wag masyado malayo tingin mo...baka madapa ka

we're still young, time is on our side....don't rush it

[dj_lethal]

RP-C*** request airport information


yes sir....


i'm trying to develop my english proficiency...
because ICAO will have a english proficiency test here in pinas...
just gave me a time to do it...


don't worry, hindi po ako magmamadali..:E
fcoms are waiting...

if i have some questions...

i'll just post here..


and thanks for the good advices




thanks..

[cherokee86November]

cut the "sir"....ur older than me

I should be saying "po"

[win_faa]

@ dj_lethal

remember the title.... Professional Pilots RUMOUR Network (take note of the all caps and underlined word) :eek:

[JV126]

I wonder what's wrong with dj/kurims ?

he blurts out these words that are pointless.

hey kurims, take it easy with the drugs will ya.

[Eight Ball]

hey Jester --- okay lang :ok:

I know of a company that needs an MCC instructor on the citation if you're up to it.

If you really need to teach ground school for the moment while waiting for the you know what, let me know. I know of a vacancy.

[jester_icarus]

sorry ..whats an mcc? actually i do have someone that's an instructor..

[jens40202]

It looks like DJ is the inquisitive kind but a little slow on "diskarte" to get the answer but to go back to his queries:

1) deviation / variation - if it's magnetic you are referring to, then go check the charts and your compass card. Also depends on how often you correct your track enroute i.e. the more frequent you make the correction, the less accrued deviation and variation.

2) VOR/DME and ADF - yes, the other poster is correct that these are completely different animals and yes, you can use both if there are concurrent facilities. However, you should treat one as the primary and the other as the crosscheck. Farther away from the station, ADF's have better coverage because they are UHF but as you get closer, the needle could be very sensitive hence VOR's tend to be more useful.

I do not agree with the other poster's view that ADF/NDB's are on their way out. You should incorporate them into your basic flying since they are still in existince all over the world (you may remember what happened to ron Brown's flight at Sarajevo). Earlier in your training, use less autopilot and more instrument scanning. Forget the "tamad" mindset, your diligence early on will pay dividends later.

3) Protractor use- these will be acceptable as long as you look outside the window and scan your instruments to verify where you are at any point in flight.
Hope this helps.

[FourStripes]

mods:

please close this thread.

kurimaw os back as DJ Lethal.