Air Macau-money trouble

[Just_Du_It]

Quotes from June's "Message from CEO":

"Amidst the misery of unprecedented soaring fuel price, carriers all over the world are suffering from different degree of heavy losses indeed. As to overcome this global threat, all of them are vigorously rolling out array of measures on accelerating income in parallel with cost retrenchment for the time being. Some of them even kicked off the drastic schemes on staff layoff, salary reduction, fading out/grounding the fleet … etc. For the sake of NX survival:eek:, we have also rolled out all possible measures on accelerating income:confused: and cost retrenchment:confused:; nevertheless the management would never sacrifice the prevailing staff salary by all means:sad:.

Meanwhile, the management is also trying every attempt to pursue the supports from different channels:ugh:, in order to eliminate all unnecessary cost burdens on NX shoulders:(. As for internal, I would urge all of staff members to work with cautious manner on tackling such severe challenge in aviation history through extending your unremitting support towards the corporate movement on accelerating revenue + cost management measures without sacrificing the services quality and safety."

:mad:So what have we been doing?


Does anyone else read this and think this is the CEO saying the end is coming very soon?:eek:

See you in the Middle East.....:ok:

[BUSTRASH]

Its sounds to me hes gonna layoffb some staff from Taipei and other stations.

[Just_Du_It]

Front cover of today's Macau Daily Times says Air Macau lost MOP100m in 4 months:eek:. Based on this, looks like something has to happen before the end of August:suspect:.

[tonylollo]

The PORTUGUESE Inspector from AACM is an ex- Air Macau pilot
( twice) and is a man with a mission against Air Macau:=:=

[tonylollo]

Actually I find it rather strange that a Portuguese newspaper the Daily Times seems hell bent on destroying air macau........ Did anyone see their article on the 5th July. Rather strange that they know so much but dont seem to know what aircraft NX flies......... Portuguese negative propoganda in my view, probably because of the corrupt displaced mindless ex Portuguese management , acting in true style Bet there will be a boat for sale soon :suspect::suspect::suspect: get the gist???

[B747-800]

http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/images/stories/08jul11/08jul11.jpg

On Wednesday the Macau Daily Times reported the chairman of the board of directors of Air Macau, Zhao Xiaohang, sent out a letter to the company's shareholders announcing that “since April 30, 2008 the net worth of the company had fallen below half of the value of the company's capital,” leaving the company in the situation described in article 206 of the Macau Commercial Code.
According to the article, if a company looses up to half of its capital, the body must proposed that the company be dissolved or the capital reduced – unless shareholders pay amounts in money that replenish the assets to a measure equal to the value of the company capital.
The airline has lost up to 100 million patacas in the months of May and June alone, and another 100 million in the first quarter of this year, totalling half of the company's capital.

[tonylollo]

Crap newspaper crap article....... fed piece by piece to the newspaper by the ex lets guess who, could it be the former management of NX sooooooo obvious and with lots of help by another insider Portuguese, yup we know who you are....... ... big brother is watching you :ok::ok:You think the previous managment could do better. I think not. Partys over guys, and if you have not noticed there are some mega big buildings here crawling with Yanks, Brits Aussies. Time to go home you did nothing for the little enclave and they will be glad to see the back of you...... Well not all of you of course but those that cant let go.....:E:E Oh and take the Daily Times with you perhaps they can do some plane spotting and watch B777s taking off, cos thats what they seem to think NX fly, ( refer article 5th July):=

[tonylollo]

Bored As, you are obviously pretty bored as you are posting this here there and everywhere.......... which part do you fit into are you scared of loosing you job or are you one of those actively trying to see the demise of Air Macau...... we get the message:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Just_Du_It]

I hear MAX staff all fired. True or false? Is the old VPFO trying to get revenge?

[B747-800]

MAX never ever operated. There leased A320 aircraft have been returned end of March and are now operating with another airline. MAX was a dead born airline.

[slightly_amused]

China support of Air Macau not confirmed http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/templates/rhuk_solarflare_ii/images/pdf_button.png (http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=13190) http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/templates/rhuk_solarflare_ii/images/printButton.png (http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13190&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=28) http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/templates/rhuk_solarflare_ii/images/emailButton.png (http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=13190&itemid=28) Wednesday, 16 July 2008 News from China indicates that David Fei, the company's CEO, did not get the full support Air Macau’s Sunday statement made believe.
The online edition of Air Transport World, a monthly magazine specialising in aviation, yesterday quoted Air China’s Board Secretary Huang Bin acknowledging “Air Macau's request for help”.
Huang said “CA will determine a solution with other NX [Air Macau] stakeholders, including TAP Portugal's SEAP investment fund (15 percent), casino company Sociedade de Turismo e Diversoes de Macau (14 percent), the Macau government and EVA Air. CA holds a 51 percent stake”.
The company statement said Air Macau has reached a strategic cooperation agreement with CA and that aid will be extended soon.
Air China had singed several cooperative agreements with Air Macau, the announcement said, and it will start special support to its subsidiary in the near future. But insiders pointed out that the assets of Air Macau were less than 5 percent of Air China's, according to Trading Markets.
The airline has not contributed much to the parent company's profits in these past years, Trading Markets added.
According to other media reports, Air China is believed to have sent letters to other shareholders calling for a meeting to address the financial stringency caused by high fuel costs. Air China is expected to buy out shareholders who are reluctant to commit further funds to the troubled carrier.

[B747-800]

Macau Daily Times - China support of Air Macau not confirmed (http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13190&Itemid=28)

China support of Air Macau not confirmed

News from China indicates that David Fei, the company's CEO, did not get the full support Air Macau’s Sunday statement made believe.
The online edition of Air Transport World, a monthly magazine specialising in aviation, yesterday quoted Air China’s Board Secretary Huang Bin acknowledging “Air Macau's request for help”.
Huang said “CA will determine a solution with other NX [Air Macau] stakeholders, including TAP Portugal's SEAP investment fund (15 percent), casino company Sociedade de Turismo e Diversoes de Macau (14 percent), the Macau government and EVA Air. CA holds a 51 percent stake”.
The company statement said Air Macau has reached a strategic cooperation agreement with CA and that aid will be extended soon.
Air China had singed several cooperative agreements with Air Macau, the announcement said, and it will start special support to its subsidiary in the near future. But insiders pointed out that the assets of Air Macau were less than 5 percent of Air China's, according to Trading Markets.
The airline has not contributed much to the parent company's profits in these past years, Trading Markets added.
According to other media reports, Air China is believed to have sent letters to other shareholders calling for a meeting to address the financial stringency caused by high fuel costs. Air China is expected to buy out shareholders who are reluctant to commit further funds to the troubled carrier.


and

Air Macau Lost 200mn Macao Dollars in H1 (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1758524/)

Air Macau Lost 200mn Macao Dollars in H1


MACAO, Jul 15, 2008 (SinoCast via COMTEX) -- AICAF (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/stocks/quotescharts/?qm_symbol=AICAF) | Quote (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/stocks/quotescharts/?qm_symbol=AICAF) | Chart (javascript:openprchartsmenu() | News (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/stocks/AICAF/) | PowerRating (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/powerratings?sym=AICAF) -- Macao-based airways Air Macau Co., Ltd. suffered a loss of about 100 million Macao dollars in May and June 2008, due to surging oil prices, citing its announcement to its shareholders.

The loss reached more than 200 million Macao dollars in the first half of the year, compared to its registered capital of 400 million Macao dollars. And presently, the company is looking for injections from these shareholders like Air China Ltd. (SHSE: 601111, SEHK: 0753, PINK: AICAF and LON: AIRC), the controller.
If a company's loss, citing a local law, exceeds 50% of its registered capital, it can choose to enlarge or cut its capital, or announce bankruptcy.
Air China had singed several cooperative agreements with Air Macau, the announcement said, and it will start special support to its subsidiary in the near future. And insiders said that the assets of Air Macau was less than 5% of Air China's, and the Macao company did not contribute much to the parent company's profit these years.

[B747-800]

Macau Daily Times - Aviation authority receives report from Air Macau (http://www.macaudailytimesnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13323&Itemid=28)

Aviation authority receives report from Air Macau The Macau Civil Aviation Authority (AACM) have received a report from Air Macau into the incident that got Brazilian Captain Neto suspended from flying for refusing to fly with a safety inspector from the authoriy.
A spokesperson from the authority yesterday told the Macau Daily Times that on July 3 AACM had sent a letter to Captain Neto “attaching the relevant occurrence report and requested him to either come to our [AACM] office for an interview or write to us [the authority] within the next 15 days from the date of the letter to proceed with the inquiry.”
As reported earlier in the month, on July 1 the airline’s captain refused to fly with inspector Carlos Otao from AACM and as such had been suspended from flying while the authority conducts an inquiry into the matter.
A group of pilots on Sunday last week also held a dinner in solidarity for Captain Neto and also threatened to stop flying altogether should the civil aviation authority refuse to allow the Brazilian captain to resume his duties. However, after the dinner, pilots said they would not stop flying.
Since the SAR's flag carrier handed a report on the incident within the time frame allocated by the aviation authority, AACM is set to speak with witnesses present on the day in question, before completing their final report into the matter, the spokesperson added.

[tonylollo]

Yes B747 and you point is????? Check the ICAO and JAA rulings on this?
The Captain is within his rights. FULL STOP.... and this is old news, and stop quoting crap from crap newspapers on this thread, has anyone got anything correct to say other than tabloid rubbish

[slightly_amused]

I would have assumed that Macau ANR's would have applied.

Part XIII, General Paragraph 78
Obstruction of Person
A person shall not wilfully obstruct or impede any entity acting in the excercise of his/her powers or performance of his/her duties under this Regulation.

Part XIII, General, Paragraph 79
Enforcement of Directions
Any person who fails to comply with any direction given to him/her by the Civil Aviation Authority or by any authorised entity under any provision of this Regulation or any regulations made or requirements notified there under shall be deemed for the purposes of this Regulation to have contravened that provision.

[alvega]

slightly_amused, if you weren't so biased in pushing on with your agenda (we all know where it's coming from), you might also want to look at the other side, but this exercise would weaken the purpose of your standing on this issue, wouldn't it? Notwithstanding, here is something else to clarify your narrow mind:

AIR MACAU FLIGHT OPERATIONS MANUAL (you probably know this is an official document approved by AACM):

"Admission to the flight deck is under the authority of the Commander.

In the interest of security, no person, other than the flight crew members assigned to a flight, should be admitted to, or carried in, the flight deck unless this person is a company staff, or a representative of the authority responsible for certification, licensing or inspection, or if this person is required for performance of his official duties.

The final decision regarding the admission to the flight deck of any person mentioned above rests with the Commander who shall request identification of such persons before granting such admission.

Persons duly authorised by the Authority, entitled to enter and remain on the flight deck in order to be able to perform their duties, shall only be denied access by the Commander if he deems this necessary in the interest of safety."

"The person shall be instructed to:
- Not distract and / or interfere with the operation of the flight
- Not touch any controls, switches, instruments, circuit breakers
- Not smoke
- Not talk unless invited to do so by the Commander"

Please feel free to keep amusing us with your posts.

[November1126]

False. MAX is still here but most of staffs were left and went to Air Macau as a help hand.:confused: Which means MAX is here but the office is empty.:uhoh:

[hailer]

I presume the reference to MAX is a belated response to posts from Just - Du - It and B747 - 800?

If MAX is not dead it belies belief. The MAX business model was based on a concession from NX (supposedly a result of Government arm-twisting) that would have seen MAX doing the very things that NX has to do to save itself. Why NX would be the majority share holder in an attempt to steal their life boats whilst they rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic makes no sense. MAX was always a smoke screen politically aimed at destroying the TAP will to survive in Macau. The MAX Chairman (and NX director) has form (in HKG) in this respect. NX themselves pulled the plug on MAX.

The NX business model is now bust in addition to having a totally inept management. The Taiwan - mainland market is about to suffer rigor mortis. The chances that the residue of MAX management is gainfully employed in NX is very unlikely seeing they had a little less than abiding love for each other.

Notwithstanding the usual entertaining yet self centered pprune comment on this thread, NX is a hopeless case - government support; preferential treatment; a concession on any routes it wants; a regulatory authority in its pocket; resident in the territory with the highest GDP in Asia and unable to make a go of it?

NX needs competent shareholders, a strategic direction and new management + investment to survive - the rather tasteless racist and xenophobic comment on this thread is sadly irrelevant. That being said it would be lovely if they could survive for the sake of the few good men.

[armchairpilot94116]

Air Macau and Cathay being majority Chinese owned airlines now. There IS the chance that they will be allowed to fly cross strait flights in the next couple of years. Provided Air Macau lasts that long. Cathay should be fine, even with a severe reduction in its Taiwan-HK-China business??

Far Eastern Airlines of Taiwan didnt last long enough to enjoy Cross Straits flights going on now.

Since the Chinese govt owns a large part of NX and CX. If these airlines were suffering because of the direct Taiwan / China flights, its conceivable that the Chinese govt will ask the Taiwan side to allow NX and CX to participate in cross strait flights. And since CX and NX already have an established presence in Taiwan (especially CX) there is reason to believe that the TAiwan side will be willing to accomodate.

The US is also pressuring Taiwan to allow American airlines to continue on to China for US to Taiwan flights. I think this will be accomodated within five years.

[hailer]

Without being offensive I must point out that anyone who believes there is any comparison between NX and CX has been on the funny mushrooms!

[November1126]

The Macau pig is sleeping too long. It was monpoly in old days, taking advantage in concession routes in China and Taiwan, under government's shelter. Now another Macau based airlines is here, other foreigner airlines fly into macau, direct flight from Taiwan to China, high fuel price.......those arrows are shooting into its heart. But it still not awake to think and act, just let it bleeding until death.
It is a real model for other airlines to see what will cause you death.:ugh:
It is hopeless for those key peoples still hiding in the office and just only ask for help.
If they can not suffer from the heat in the kitchen, better leave.:=
The earth is continuing to rotate without you. Don't try to stop it.:E

[Bigbadass]

"tonylollo"
Portuguese negative propoganda in my view, probably because of the corrupt displaced mindless ex Portuguese management , acting in true style Bet there will be a boat for sale soon get the gist???:(

Crap newspaper crap article....... fed piece by piece to the newspaper by the ex:(

Only someone with absolutely no brains prefers to brush the crap under the carpet.
If there is smoke, point it out and lets look to see if there is a fire. Only someone hell bent in hiding something would call investigative reporting "negative propaganda".
Whether its a Portuguese or not, does it matter? But one thing you can be sure, The Airport, the Airline and the Casino's in Macau only exit because the ex Portuguese made it so.

"B747-800"
MAX was a dead born airline.:(

What is better an airline that maybe can make it on its own if NX allows it than to keep feeding NX with cash just to keep it running at the discontent of not only its employees but also its share holders. Sure, CA will inject capital, after-all we are in the Olympic Games and the light must not only shine but in must glow in all things Chinese, but maybe not for long. As even the newspapers state the capital involved in NX is a pittance for CA.

"alvega"
Admission to the flight deck is under the authority of the Commander.:8

Its all very good and true for the average PAX, but if you had a little more experience and world knowledge you would know not to support a Captain that had a childish tantrum by not allowing the the inspector on-board. After-all what would have been the worst that could happen. At landing request removal of the CVR and have it sent to AACM for analysis if he was that sure of himself. The Captain in the event was obviously not as confident and cocky as its assumed by the media and hence was scared of allowing an old timer on board. By the way,all the old timer does rumble a lot, he does make good points when it comes to flight safety, something that is scarce in NX.

Chin up boys, your day in the job seekers queue is coming soon, if you can not find a way to present a united front regardless of the form you speak the language of camões.:ok:

[tonylollo]

Bigbadass....... I do hope what you state is an opinion and you really dont believe the rubbish you are spouting. ...... tell me an airline that does not
have problems for the moment but do we need to kick them when we are down. Ulterior motives my man!! are you in the desert yet:ok:

[alvega]

My dear "Bigbadass", it seems to me that your big bad rear is in fact a lot bigger than your brain.

Only someone hell bent in hiding something would call investigative reporting "negative propaganda".

Show me one single newspaper in Macau that practices investigative reporting (or any one mainstream news media around the world, for that matter) and I will be willing to offer you one month of my salary. They all work within the (very safe and cozy) "politically correct" environment and I could give you numerous examples both in Macau and elsewhere, but I challenge you to do some research instead. Wake up and specially, grow up!

...but if you had a little more experience and world knowledge you would know not to support a Captain that had a childish tantrum by not allowing the the inspector on-board.

The experience and world knowledge (how arrogant of you!!) I have are exactly the source of my worries about people like you. I've known the above mentioned Captain for much longer than you can imagine and the same goes for that AACM "inspector". Again, I could give you numerous examples about both of them and others, but I'm beginning to get the feeling that I'm wasting my time on you. Of course it is much easier to read all the rubbish (out of spite in this case, and this is a hint if you haven't noticed) that comes out on the news everyday than trying to dig a bit deeper into it and draw the right conclusions.

By the way,all the old timer does rumble a lot, he does make good points when it comes to flight safety, something that is scarce in NX.

The best thing the "old timer" did on behalf of flight safety ever, was to retire from flying. We're all safer in the skies nowadays. And if you don't know (I somehow think you do) his fame preceded him from as far back as Africa and by the way, do you know his story in DHL ? You see, when someone starts a war (which is exactly what happened. Another hint) preparations are in order to avoid these stories surfacing. Embarrassing indeed, but it's a small world and what goes around, comes around sooner or later.


Best regards Bigbadass (whoever you are or whatever your agenda is)

[VMMC34]

Pathetic bunch...

Get a life all of you!!!!

Surrounded by idiots!!!

[Bigbadass]

Mr. Alvega,
There you go again, instead of seeing someone that has retired and is trying to do his best, you assume that because he was buddies with old management he must have ulterior motives.

What happened in the past (whether Brazil, DHL, Gulf Air, Air Macau, Gulf Air, Air Macau, some rich Arab, DGAC, AACM, etc). Don't forget how many guys he has helped to get the JAA license. Yes I do know all the persons concerned as well as you!

Regarding other airlines, have a look at BA (who reported a better than expected profit this year) Singapore Airlines, ANA, Cathay Airlines. If Air Macau CEOs haven't been so hell bent in not changing the modus operandi because it proved successful in the past, maybe the story would be different. Apart from the first Singaporean CEO all others have been Chinese with nothing to accomplish other than keeping status quo.

Don't go tell me that its unfair to compare NX with the likes of CX, after-all that was the reason the present CEO used to start the A-300-600 cargo fleet (part of the reason for him to remove the ex-VPFO - for he did not facilitate it as much as the CEO would have liked) which now seems to be backfiring!

Cargo, the guy is completely nuts, the infrastructure for the cargo operations has been on the drawing table of the Macau government but not yet implemented (cargo terminal now completed but still no road or rail links up and running) and this guy jumps the gun and gets the aircraft for he has a buddy in Taiwan that will sell them on the cheap ! Nice way to do things.

As SYLVERSURFER states the problems are not within the pilot department, but half of the guys within the Air Macau PPrune frame seem to try to point their finger at a very small group of pilots for the troubles (half of these pilots no longer operate in NX!).

Regarding your view on the media, maybe you have been hiding away over the last century or so, which is full of examples of scandals exposed by the media, check the internet. Of course not all investigative reporting has to be in as grand a scale as the watergate. But where there is smoke ...

Ask why the FTD had to be paid by the present management when it was donated by Airbus way before these guys took over! Maybe the same reason for the hurry in getting the A-300-600. Is there something fishy here???

Anyway, lets hope the end of the Olympics does not bring any further gloom and doom to NX. 10% decrease in traffic at the time of the start of direct flights, will hopefully prove to be a good omen, but most likely it just means that a lot of clients were fearful of another backtrack by either the Chinese or Taiwanese authorities, the future will tell. I am preparing my CV just incase.

Vietnam seems a good stepping stone for previous NX pilots.

[Fubaliera]

Fire anybody with a portuguese accent. (Flapsssssssssssss, Fuuuuuuuuul, Cheeeekkkkeeeeeedaaaa, Armeddddd, This is not standard!!!! Document 44444444444 whatever!!!!!!!!!!!, you get the point lol lol lol)

[alvega]

There you go again, instead of seeing someone that has retired and is trying to do his best, you assume that because he was buddies with old management he must have ulterior motives.

No, just my conspiracy paranoia.

...Don't forget how many guys he has helped to get the JAA license.

One of them, perhaps? OOOPS!!

(part of the reason for him to remove the ex-VPFO - for he did not facilitate it as much as the CEO would have liked)

This is the best joke I've read so far.

...but half of the guys within the Air Macau PPrune frame seem to try to point their finger at a very small group of pilots for the troubles (half of these pilots no longer operate in NX!).

It's the other half that bothers me.

Regarding your view on the media, maybe you have been hiding away over the last century or so, which is full of examples of scandals exposed by the media, check the internet. Of course not all investigative reporting has to be in as grand a scale as the watergate. But where there is smoke ...

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Who sets the fire alight? Don't always believe all you read, the other half of the truth is missing most of the time. My conspiracy paranoia again, sorry.

Ask why the FTD had to be paid by the present management when it was donated by Airbus way before these guys took over! Maybe the same reason for the hurry in getting the A-300-600. Is there something fishy here???

Very fishy indeed! specially the FTD part. It was never donated by Airbus. I don't know where you got that idea. You are misinformed, to say the least.

[Bigbadass]

Tiger Airways estreia-se nos resultados positivos
A Tiger Airways, que tem rotas a ligar o território a Manila e a Singapura, anunciou ontem
lucros de 218 milhões de patacas no ano contabilístico que terminou em Março. Esta é a
primeira vez que a operadora aérea de baixo custo fecha as contas no “verde” desde o seu
lançamento, em 2004. No ano passado, a Tiger Airways tinha registado prejuízos de 82,6
milhões de patacas. A companhia, baseada na Cidade-Estado e na Austrália, revelou ainda
que o número de passageiros cresceu 73,7 por cento no segundo semestre deste ano,
comparado com igual período de 2007.

This basically states, that against the tidal wave of the world economy, fuel prices etc., Tiger Airways has made a large profit. Something that all those NX CEO lovers think is impossible.

Yes Alvega, your arrogance does suggest that you live with your head buried deep in the black sands of Coloane. Most likely you are one of those that had been given a managerial position by the new administration but you proved not to be as capable as you suggest to be and hence gave up on the position.

Anyhow, I hope more guys follow my example and start applying for other jobs, as no doubt NX monopoly status should be revoked soon by the government which no doubt will result in total collapse, although, not before we have another display of pilot gentlemanly behaviour well know in NX, fist fighting, name calling etc., preferably in full view of the passengers.

Cheers and see you at OTT.

[Bigbadass]

I take my hat off to the voice of one good soul in these dark hours.

[Bigbadass]

Very fishy indeed! specially the FTD part. It was never donated by Airbus. I don't know where you got that idea. You are misinformed, to say the least.

My information I assure you is 100% correct, maybe you shouldn't be so fast to trust what is said but rather ask to see documentation.

But of course by now with the old pilot management out of the way, maybe not so easy to get the proof, those beautiful shredding machines can do wonders.

Call it what you want, but when even the TAP representative in Macau states that the current crisis is not due to fuel price because the amount allocated for fuel in the budget was not spent, then the financial state must be for ... Corruption, embezzlement, misappropriation, theft, stealing, robbery, thieving, pilfering, purloining, pilferage, appropriation, swindling !!!

[alvega]

Bigbadass,

This dialog is going nowhere. I insist that your FTD idea is flawed. I don't know what kind of documents you have seen, but I saw a few too and I maintain what I've stated on this matter.

Call it what you want, but when even the TAP representative in Macau states that the current crisis is not due to fuel price because the amount allocated for fuel in the budget was not spent, then the financial state must be for ... Corruption, embezzlement, misappropriation, theft, stealing, robbery, thieving, pilfering, purloining, pilferage, appropriation, swindling !!!

For once we are in tune. I agree entirely. Only one thing, this TAP representative is no choir boy either.

Regards

[raptor12]

the information is correct.
few MAX guys are now working in NX ( attending the so called orientation programme). the guy suffering from the ferry accident was offering 1. to take no pay leabe or 2. to resign.

[Bigbadass]

Excellent news from Tiger,and Cathay and probably a few others,but then again,they are not state run companies with the sole reason for existing being to serve a role in the big picture,providing cheap transportation for the islanders

Is NX a State run company? :=

Did it ever provide cheap tickets to Macau residents? :=

Is it easy to buy a ticket for travel with NX from a travel agent in Macau? :=

If your answer to all these questions was NO, ada boy go to the front of the class!!! :ok:

NX never did care Macanese travellers, never did equate their travel needs within is plans nor cater for the Macau travel agencies! :ooh:

Its only care was to get the Taiwanese traveller to China, and of course now its realising that, this principle was fine for launch but it should have done a lot more. :bored:

Even little young Viva Macau knows this and is trying to capitalise in this deficiency of NX, but of course with monopoly at its core, Macau aviation is basically castrated and going no where fast!!! :uhoh:

[austra1998]

what i'm about to ask will probably make you all burst into a big laught!!!

but hey?? if thats the case...at least it will release a bit the pressure goign on on this thread!!

i just wanted to ask you guys if there will be any chance for a FO who passed the interview with airmacau in march to be called inn for the job anytime soon?

funny enought?:-)

well...i mean...is it really that bad?? got 0 time on type...and bloody hell...it would have done good to me to get that job!!!:-(

is there absolutely no hope for airmacau to survive the disasters they are facing now?

let me know if you want/care,

ciao
Alex

[Bigbadass]

austra1998

well...i mean...is it really that bad??
got 0 time on type...and bloody hell...it would have done good to me to get that job!!

Man if you have to ask, maybe you need to ask mother if you can put the landing gear down before landing! :confused:

But seriously, any chance you have to land a job on a jet (specially a A320) just jump into it with everything you got. Que sera sera as they say.

Good luck, one thing is for sure, you will learn a lot with NX!!!
:ok:

[Fubaliera]

Yeah youll learn Portuguese and how to get by in aviation without any english.

[Bigbadass]

Fubaliera

Yeah youll learn Portuguese and how to get by in aviation without any english.

Excellent example of the decrepit mentality that putrefies the sky around Macau. :mad:

The guy has problem writing English (maybe to pretend not to be a Brit) but uses it against others... good job :ouch:

No matter what you think of your work place atmosphere etc, one thing you all nut-cases (half-wits, dunces, dolts, ignoramus, cretins, morons, imbeciles, simpletons, nincompoops, blockheads, jug-heads, boneheads, knuckle-heads, dumb-asses, dipsticks, thick-heads, meat-heads, pinheads, pea-brains, birdbrains, jerks, nerds, donkeys, nitwits, twits, dingbats) have to admit that you are glad to have landed a job on the A320. Most of you in this thread probably got your type rating with NX. So zip it up if you have nothing good to say to an aviation newcomer!

Remember how you felt in his position and give sound advise ONLY. :cool:

If he joins NX and the worst comes to worst and NX closes he gets a type rating for free, what better than that!!!

Otherwise, he joins gets his hours and is free to let his license roam around looking for a new job. Remember the one legacy still intact in NX (maybe not for long) is that guys with this license have been able to land a job in just about any Airline (Singapore, Korea, UK, Spain, Malaysia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Vietnam, Khazakstan, Qatar, Portugal, Sharjah, etc.).

By the way, for those with deficient English:
Legacy - a thing handed down by a predecessor

[austra1998]

ok...thanks for the answers so far...

but let me ask again....do you guys know if macau is still in a position to require the services of FO's with zero time on type?

thanks,

alex

[Joker's Wild]

Saw Arrowhead the other day, so he's definitely not departed the fix......................yet. :E

I would suggest he's keeping busy with "other" things, rather than worry about the pending implosion of NX.

[Gards]

Is it true that with all the training costs involved in being a new hire FO you only take home about 8000mop (1000USD) per month for the first year or there abouts?

[Bigbadass]

And with all these rip offs, to staff and not only it still manages to turn a huge loss.

Amazing!!!

The management must undergo a special training to be so bad :D

[Fubaliera]

Does anyone know what happened in the famous meeting where all the shareholders were going to meet and save the day. Now no word from anybody, even the newspapers in Macau run by Portuguese mercenaries. Did Mr CEO pay them to shut up or is it all over.

[Bigbadass]

It was postponed due to lack of interest from the current management (or should I say lack of options on what to put forward as a possible solution to the current crisis).

No new date has been set yet. Most likely they are hoping that Air China will be too busy until after the Olympic Games for a new meeting. :rolleyes:

However, by that time it will be probably too late for recovery. :O

Even though fuel prices have been decreasing world wide - in China the government has decrease the fuel subsides which does not help NX.

Regarding the promised new routes to save money, that would only cover a few of NX flights (towards PVG area) and that would not make a big impact in the overall situation of the company. :sad:

[Hazel250]

...after that brazilian Instructor resign, one portugese F/O , one Brazilian F/O and now this french F/O (text message confirm from a Captain) in the last week, Air Macau will die: not due to the fuel cost, not due to the straight flights, not due to the bad management, but only due to a lack of crew!
We know, more and more guys will run from AMU...:\
AMU is hoping to get a wet lease from Air China, AMU is getting , for sure, one more airplane from Qatar (S/n 520 or earlier)....
It's time to ....run or die!

[Marsu Bestana]

NEW INFORMATIONS STATE THAT OUR CP IS GETTING TIRED OF FIGHTING AGAINS PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO FIX PROBLEMS....
DOES ANYONE HEAR ABOUT THIS? I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF US GET TOGHETER AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP OURSELVES, CAUSE BLAMING EACH OTHER OR DIVIDING THE GROUP AS PORTUGUESES, OR BRAZILIANS OR WHATEVER IS NOT HELOING AT ALL... AND WE ALL KNOW THAT CRAPS COME FROM ALL NATIONALITIES... I ASK ALL OF YOU TO USE THIS FORUM TO DISCUSS AND FIND SOLUTIONS, INSTEAD OF OFFENDING EACH OTHER... AFTER ALL WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT, AND IT'S FROM AIR MACAU THAT OUR FOOD GETS TO OUR TABLES. A GOOD START IS NOT RENEWING CONTRACTS OF THOSE EVERYBODY KNOWS ARE TROUBLEMAKERS... LET'S GET TOGHETER PEOPLE, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. CONGRATULATIONS TO CP,VPFO,MAINTENANCE AND MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES AVIATORS THAT ARE HOLDING THIS THING TOGHETER, DESPITE THE BAD WEATHER WE ARE IN...SHAME ON THOSE WHO ONLY COMPLAINS BUT FOR SOME REASON DON'T LEAVE...
:ok:

[Bigbadass]

Excellent idea, we could use this forum to list the names of all those that complain, bad mouth others, but when the time comes to prove their ability they whimper away and disappear.

We all know a few examples over the years:

1. There was one that enter alpha lock but didn't know how to get out of it. :ugh:

2. Squawk 7500 for passenger not getting off the aircraft. :uhoh:

3. Demanding the tower to allow him to land on RWY 34 when the wind component would exceed the 10 kts limitation, even against the F/O wishes. :=

These same Captains also have a dedicate group of admiring F/O who look up to them and hope to be like them when they become Captains......not.

[Fubaliera]

Air Macau fired 7 staff today in Taipei station telling them it was do to poor performance after most of the had been there 2 years. Of course they want them to stay till OCT10 when the high season is over. Also in Macau all the airport staff in 2 at a time we requierdedto go to HQ so they could right the names of 3 staff they like and 3 staff they hate so they can decide who to fire as well.
Great people management skills once again.

[Fubaliera]

Oh and about the chief pilot all I can say is that there is a god.

[Fubaliera]

Among other things.

[Arrowhead]

Air China 2007 profit 4bn RMB. So lets say 2.5bn for 2008 with the fuel price and earthquake. NX losing 500m RMB. So NX=25% of Air China profits this year. Oops. So actually, the real Air China number will now be nearer 2.0bn due to NX.

Air China board meeting was on 26th. If they put money in, they have to cut the airline in half. If so, Mr F and VPFO were probably told this week they have until end Sep to get rid of half of all staff. So previous post about staff losses look about right. It will be an interesting few weeks.:ouch:

Get your bucket and spade ready...

[tonylollo]

And ??? Arrowhead you got this snippet of info from where. Not sure
how your calculations came about. Anyway I am sure it will please you to see them fall.. By the way Alitalia have filed for Bankruptcy today but expect you knew that and the possible restructuring of that company too

hmmm:ouch:

[Fubaliera]

Silversurfer. The CEO has placed a hiring freeze at Air Macau for all but pilots. Why. 10 pilot resignations in August alone. Thats why they are hiring. When you lose 10 percent off your active pilot force in a month it says something. In Sept NX will lose another 10 pilots and they better pray that Qatar doesnt start hiring DEC Again because there gonna be in for a big surprise.
As far as the downsizing it has already started, layoffs in Taipei station and Macau airport in progress, the staff in HR is looking into goverment jobs,cabin crews leaving like flys. Koreans and Taiwanese going to Cathy Pacific and chinese girls looking for husbands in J class.
At the end the following will stay.
1. The macanese/chinese there at home and its there airline
2. The Filipinos are close to home.
3. Guys who cant get a medical elseware and who love to eat.
4.Guys whose engilsh is a second language and barely get a 4 on the Icao english test.
5. Guys with extended learning curves.
6. Guys with world famous bad reputations.
7. Guys with less than 1500 hours total time.
8.Guys with extensive real estate investments in Macau and can retire early.

[Hazel250]

So finally, there is no proof ,anywhere, about any money invest by Air China (400m MOP) nor any peanuts given by the Macanese Governement.
I talk with the CP before he went in HK, and he says that he'll not resign...YET!!!
If he do so I hope that Mr Okton will stop immediatly the promotion of Capt F as next CP.
Otherwise, it's going to be a big mess!!!
Capt F phone's will be On around 2pm (after chop-chop), he will forget that he has a flight or a meeting, maybe he will be in a meeting in a casino, or doing a massage.
He will implement new personal SOP, or even worst, new IFR rules....:eek:
I hear he ask, during a sim session, the colors of the rain repellent, or the de-Icing product...One day he'll ask the colour of the CEO underwear or the DRH (some can answer for sure).:}
One good one was about the T/O flex temperature for one engine take off (nothing to do with a V1 cut)! :D
Please Mr Okton, you are our last barrier before the desaster! Save our asses!
I need to get 300h, more, on type before resigning!
I hear one young Captain resign, to join Jetstar... some new f/os already passed the screening with Qatar, Gulf,Tiger,...
They just wait for the date ! And for sure more Captains!
Mr D, don't inform the pilots about the situation of the company, and you'll get more resignation letter on your desk every morning.:ok:
But you look still ,not suprised.
I'm just waiting for airplane grounded and flight cancel due to a lack of crew...and will see you face.:eek:
CP will not be able to stop this and he will , for sure , resign.:p
...more 300h!!!!! Mr Okton don't forget me!:bored:

[Marsu Bestana]

OK GUYS, I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT YOU ARE ALL CRAZY... YOU BETTER SEEK FOR MEDICAL ADVISE...YOU ARE WORSE THAN LAVADEIRAS... AND I AM TALKING ABOUT ALL OF YOU... YOU KNOW WHAT, ? I HOPE THIS COMPANY SHUT DOWN SO I CAN SEE YOU SELLING BIBLES OR ENCYCLOPEDIAS, CAUSE YOU ARE NOT AVIATORS, BUT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS FOFOQUEIROS... :ugh:

[Hazel250]

Marsu Bestana,
I beleive the bunch of idiots is compose by you only!
Medical attention...good for you!
We just mention here real things, that's it!

But anyway, I never tought about selling bibles...May be a good business!?:cool:

Cheers mate!

[Marsu Bestana]

ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE COMPANY, BECAUSE LATER ON WHEN YOU GO FIND ANOTHER JOB AND THEY ASK YOU WHERE YOU COME FROM, IT WILL BE VERY BAD TO SAY YOU COME FROM AN AIRLINE WHOSE PILOTS DISCUSS THEIR PROBLEMS IN A PLACE LIKE THIS. ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT WE ALL SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, EITHER LEAVE, OR STRIKE, OR AT LEAST REQUEST A MEETING WITH THE CEO AND GIVE HIM OUR POINT OF VIEW/OPTIONS. BUT BEFORE WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DRAW A PLAN... BUT IT SEEMS NO ONE HAS BALLS TO DO ANYTHING BUT COMPLAIN AND SPREAD RUMORS IN HERE.... DO YOU THINK THIS IS CORRECT? DOES ANYONE HERE DOES? I AM NOT HAPPY AT ALL, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, AS SOON AS IT GETS TOO MUCH FOR ME, I LEAVE. MEANWHILE, I DON'T COMPLAIN, AND IF I DO SO, I GO TO HQ AND TALK TO VPFO OR CP. AND I TELL YOU WHAT, I CHOSE THIS NICK NOT TO OFFEND OUR COLEAGUE, BUT AS A COMPLIMENT, CAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE I SEE SAYING THINGS THAT MATTERS IN THE MEETINGS, THE ONLY ONE I SEE THAT HAVE BALLS. WHAT ABOUT YOU? DO YOU HAVE BALLS, ? CANN YOU LEAVE? ARE U GOOD ENOUGHT TO GET A GOOD JOB? OR YOU ARE ONE OF THE PILOTS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AVIATION BUT AIRMACAU? THINK OF THAT...:ok:

[Bigbadass]

I CHOSE THIS NICK NOT TO OFFEND OUR COLEAGUE, BUT AS A COMPLIMENT, CAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE I SEE SAYING THINGS THAT MATTERS IN THE MEETINGS

Really you think this complete nutter is that good, he who on a regular bases is ready to punch someone, maybe not in the office but off it, hell he probably would like to punch half of the pilots in the company. I don't think he has balls I think that when he was neutered it affected his brain as well. The fact that he has a judo belt should have thought him that it is supposed to be for defence and not attack. What an idiot.:oh:

Have you not learned that it is absolutely pointless to talk in those meetings, that nothing will ever be decided in them, and they occur only for two reason.
1. to glorify the managers, they like to see that people still find them important enough to actually bother going to the meetings, hence they still feel important.
2. For the idiots that go to them to see that really nothing has happened since the last one.

In fact, the only change in the company in the last 3 years was the publication of the OM, which was basically a copy from a few others, but no doubt a much better than before and the huge debt the company if facing that its increasing probably faster than I'm typing.:mad:

Get off your high horse and go make some pizzas or smoke a pipe as these are probably the only friends of the neutered friends of yours.:(

I'll be leaving you all very soon, so I have made my decision with my brain and not with balls as you seem to prefer.:p

[VMMC34]

Bigbadass...

You really kick some ass around here... Couldn't agree with you more...

Great post...

Best of luck wherever you might be going...


Marsu... Nice idol you picked....

[armchairpilot94116]

Air China is taking note of Air Macau's problems. And as I have said, Air China will likely push Taiwan to accept Air Macau doing some direct TAiwan/China routes.

ATW Daily News

Air Macau expects to be out of crisis via capital injection, aircraft leases

Thursday September 4, 2008 Air China subsidiary Air Macau plans to request a new capital injection from its stakeholders and lease three A320s/A321s to CA this month in order to alleviate its financial crisis, according to the Macau Daily News. The amount of the cash injection will be determined soon by a stakeholders' conference. CA holds a 51% stake in NX, whose other stakeholders include TAP Portugal's SEAP investment fund (15%), casino company Sociedade de Turismo e Diversoes de Macau (14%), the Macau government and EVA Air.
CA has noted that it would extend "special aid" to NX, including its support in an effort to secure routes across the Taiwan Strait when CAAC allows scheduled service next July. NX reported a first-half net loss in excess of MOP200 million ($24.4 million). Passenger traffic fell 6.4% year-over-year to 1.38 billion RPKs and boardings were down 11.9% to 1 million. Load factor dropped 5.3 points to 70.5% and cargo volume plummeted 34.9% to 53,000 tonnes.
ATW Daily News (http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=13908)

[Tziganul]

Congrats Air Macau "professional" pilots!!!

So the rumors are true, Air Macau pilots are cruel! I can't believe that as "professional" pilots they are putting names. I believe that personal attacks have no place on these threads. Pls leave your frustration for your wifes, gf, or massage girls! I ask the moderator to erase any thread that has any names or is distasteful. Come on guys, Air Macau can be so much more but unfortunately guys like Hazel250 thinks he is the best there and that the company should only hire guys like him. If he thinks he is that good, then maybe he should have a CP or DFO position and only hire guys like himself or his girlfriend. Air Macau gives opportunities to guys who don't have jet time or low timers. These guys are no better, no smatter, no less good than any other person in this industry. They are probably doing the best they can and I strongly believe that everyone deserves a chance! As for the names mentioned here, guys, if you don't like the dude, why waste your time writing about him and his entourage? Cheers mates and start behaving like professionals. Hope your airline will stop bleeding and get better!

[B747-800]

I am positively surprised how professional the pilots and crews of Air Macau pilots and crews are. This shows that the fight between the pygmies war – lasting for years already – is not yet over. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Bigbadass]

I see that its not just the pilots in Air Macau that have a mature attitude to life, from the recent newspaper reports, it seems that once again the management of this company is refusing to face reality and admit its circumstances. :mad:

To the Chinese Newspapers, they say that the investors have already agreed to re-invest on the company. :ok:

But the Macau Daily Times, quite correctly stated that this is not so, but rather, the investors are waiting for a complete report on the financial health of the company before deciding what to do. :uhoh:

What is certain, as has been rumoured since the beginning of the year, is that up to three aircraft will be leased out, to prevent them, from being cannibalised out to keep the others flying, and act that the aircraft lessors are not too keen on. :=

Now all that remains is to find out are the conditions for this lease. Last time, AACM was quite adamant to ensure that the cabin crew that operated within the aircraft were legally rested prior to the flight. Lets see of this time, we can maintain Air Macau procedures, fuel policy, minimum's, etc. or will there be pressure for a certain amount of leniency. Do not forget that when Air Macau withdrew the Aircraft from Beijing, Dragon Air replaced us, but their contract terms were a hundred times better, including the hotel allocated to the crews. Yet another sign of the poor bargaining capabilities of Air Macau management. :yuk:

Once again, although most of the guys involved are scum, please keep the wives out of this. They neither request to be here, nor did they know what scum their husbands would turn out to be. Kids too, should be left out and definitely no hitting the children of other pilots as has happened in the past.

Grow up once and for all.

[zhuhai-itcouldfly]

It will be a bonus to read intelligent posts here. People keep whining, but continue to work in the company. I think self-reflection is needed by most people in the company. At the end of each flight, who are the happiest people inside the plane? It's the cleaners! Something we can be proud about? Grievances must be taken to proper places. If not, all the posts are only tabloid material. :ugh:

[Hazel250]

Since Tsiganul, B747-800,and Zuhai-itcouldfly wrote on this post, the rating of the subject is thumps down, with 2 bars...before it was 4 bars , thumps up...
Please guys, you're not concerned by what happening in AMU, and you have a tiny understanding of the mater...get lost and find another subject to give your poor opinions!:suspect:

Cheers mates!
Hi to P., and Bushtrash...hope you enjoy the desert and the fatherhood! :D

[zhuhai-itcouldfly]

I am happy to know that you are concerned with AMU Hazel250. I am thrilled by your overflowing concern - until the time you also go to the desert. :zzz:

[VROOUM]

From The Great Le Cesar POST yesterday's hearing:
NX CEO saked! :D Stay till the end of September!
All VP's will follow next! :D
Chairman takes interim wheel until fresh team takes over! :ok:
3 birds will be dispached to CA soon! Much more in the agenda!
A new A320 B-MAX will join in 2 weeks! :ugh:
No real cash injection so far! Only blabla... to shut media! So... maybe...
No $$$ to pay full salaries after September! :eek:
Drivers continue heavely heading to the desert escape path! :O

More news to come from The Great Le Cesar POST!
Stay tuned!
VROOUM

[Hazel250]

Hey Vrooum,
I was ready to confirm the ''rumours" that our CEO is on his way out!:ok:
Could be nice to see a change in the company mind!
Hope the VPFO, also will follow the CEO...
Amazing about B-MAX. That one was suppose to be operate by MAX...
Cash injection will be done after clearing the top management guys!
October will be very interested!

...I should stop more time in Le Cesar...:sad:

Se you in the desert on an horse with no name...

[TonTonMatuk]

DON'T PANIC GUYS.....:=:=:=

LOOKS LIKE THE THIRD REICH FALL...:{:{:{

HEY CHRONIC PIZZERIA.... BE COOL ...:cool::cool::cool:

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL:D:D:D

:ugh::ugh::ugh:oooooooPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hazel250]

Wet lease in Beijing
I was called yesterday by the crew management to bring my passport, in order to get a visa for China.
After getting a few informations regarding the contract I decide to refuse to go there.
-We will recieve 200 Mop perdiem (many nice restaurants around the hotel) :eek:
-Hotel: Maybe Lido, if Lido can confirm to get us some rooms, otherwise we'll stay in the Sino-Swiss.(in other terms, we are going to stay in the Sino-Swiss or Air China Hotel.)
-For our DDOs, regarding the schedul of the Air China's flights, it will be very difficult to catch NX001, to travel back to MFM.
-No DHC on Air China flight allowed , if intention to travel via HKG, to MFM with the ferry.
-During the stay in Beijing you will not be entitle for your housing allowance, in MFM.
-My girlfriend can not join me there on NX flight , because China does'nt deliver any visa for tourists.
(But of course many hookers in Beijing)( Thankx ,not for me...I don't intendt to became a father in the next 9 months).:=
-It's going to be a 3 weeks in Beijing, every 3.5 months, regarding the number of pilots we have now!!!
I totally refuse. No housing allowance, 200 mop per day...I don't eat noodles and a bowl of rice a day, like Mr F. :=
I would like to know where Dragonair was staying, and how much perdiems they got, for the same contract!
Mr D, keep that wet lease for you, you can wipe your ...ss with the contract.:mad:

By the way Ethiad is massively hiring again P1 & P2!:ok:

[TonTonMatuk]

Really?......A new fresh Management team?.... I M wondering who could be...:}:}:}:D But they hv been doing such a nice job... how come?
What's gonna happen to those VPFO chronies????:confused::confused: Guess.. :mad:I M delighted...:p
Hey guys it's time to catch the camel ...if u can...catch it:ugh:

[spectacular views]

Let`s get together again !!
Hi guys, why don`t we get together again in a dinner to support our great leaders VPFO and CP in this **** wet lease contract in Beijing?
They hide this miserable surprise from us. They also don`t say a word when they cut 20% allowance for the sim in HKG.:D
But just because they aren`t doing anything to improve our terms & conditions ( except to promote some friends to captains & instructors) we should keep showing our love and understanding to them.
Let`s dinner again & celebrate with them this **** wet lease conditions in PEK !!!:ok:

[Bigbadass]

Hip Hip Hurray

Old Management will soon be out to pasture.

VPFO, CP (and hopefully Mr. intelligent Cpt F) go with them.

Now its the turn of the Filipinos to have a go at managing this pathetic group of pilots.

Cpt. Photocopy will be the new VPFO
Cpt. Talkative will take over as CP
and young Cpt. red will be up for training manager

Definitely time to pack the bags. :ok:

[Arrowhead]

sylversurfer - if you sell tickets for peanuts, you get plenty of pax


There is still no money. CA is still in control of our destiny. Wet lease is being rostered but still not yet confirmed (presumably because CA has yet to put any money in).

I hope Hazel250 has the wet lease wrong. Last I heard from crew mgmt it was 2xA321s plus an A300. Assuming 4 crew per acft that would mean doing four weeks per year in PEK. 2x 2 weeks would be okay, if we could choose when to go. But loss of housing allowance (what little we have) would be outrageous. We cant stop renting our appartments for two weeks!

I would advise anyone renewing their contracts to change the wording to "PERMANENTLY based out of Macau" for their housing allowance.

But then again, we could all be out of jobs soon anyway...

[Bigbadass]

On today's MDT the news are:

Meanwhile, organisations from both sides of the Taiwan Strait agreed to solve the flight shortage problem after increasing demand from travellers, said State Council Taiwan Affairs Office spokesman, Li Weyi yesterday.

Obviously, this will mean even less passengers for the companies going through Macao.

Chin up, and study hard guys, the days maybe numbered...

[Hazel250]

Arrow...
I refuse to give them my passport because of all kind of darkpoints....
AACM requires 5 crew per Aircrafts, and not 4...so be prepare for a 3 weeks every 3 months.
I agree...for the moment, it's just a draft, nothing full confirm!

Bigbadass,
I hope you're right about CEO, VPFO, and specially Mr F.!:ok:
I hope you are wrong about the PAL team to take over...:}
I have enought of copy/paste from them! They are going to run it like in a third world country...:ugh:

Cheers!

[Bigbadass]

News in the Jornal Tribuna de Macau

Governo muda representante na Air Macau

O Governo mudou a sua delegada junto da Air Macau no início deste mês. De acordo com um despacho do Chefe do Executivo ontem publicado no Boletim Oficial, Maria de Nazaré Saias Portela – que é chefe do departamento jurídico dos Serviços de Solos, Obras Públicas e Transportes – pediu para ser exonerada do cargo. A substituí-la está agora Maria Cristina Freitas Gomes da Silva, que é vogal suplente do conselho administrativo da Autoridade de Aviação Civil da RAEM. Esta alteração, colocando a representá-lo na Air Macau um elemento ligado ao regulador, pode eventualmente significar uma resposta do Governo à recente crise envolvendo a transportadora aérea de bandeira da RAEM, que registou prejuízos superiores a 200 milhões de patacas no primeiro semestre do ano.

More posturing or decisive action by the government ? :confused:

Quick Translation for the less gifted:
The Government changed its commission agent next to the Air Macau in the beginning of this month. Maria of Nazaré Saias Portela - head of the legal department of the Public works and Transportation. To substitute her is now Cristina Maria Freitas Gomes Da Silva, from Macau Civil Aviation Authority. Placing within Air Macau an employee of the Aviation Authority body, could be the reaction of the government to the present crisis within Air Macau.

[Hazel250]

...Smells bad for Mr D.F..... Legal authority + AACM stick with AMU...
Some guys will have to run away pretty soon! :}

[alvega]

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein

[Hazel250]

Alvega, please use your own philisophy words (if you have some)...leave Einstein out of this!
:rolleyes:

[alvega]

Felt the sting, Hazel250? too bad. Some thoughts are universal and timeless, just like stupidity. Einstein said it all. Unfortunately we are no better today than we were when he said it. When I read all these posts, the great majority of them anyway, that phrase keeps coming to my mind. It is a shame to realise that a bunch of guys who call themselves professional pilots, who have the responsibility of human lives on their shoulders every time they exercise their professional activity, who are supposed to earn respect and admiration from the general public every time they put their lives in their hands, who are regarded as highly skilled and qualified operators of extremely sophisticated machines, who are supposed to be in full possession of all their physical and mental abilities, who are paid huge amounts of money to perform an activity that gives them pleasure and satisfaction, who should be grateful to the company that gave them a job, a type ratting, a promotion and the opportunity to improve their lives in a way they might never have thought possible, a company that, despite all its financial qualms (regardless of the reasons that brought it to this situation) is still paying the salaries on the 28th of every month and has been doing so since its first day of operation, are behaving in such an arrogant, disgraceful, unethical, childish, appalling, deranged and irresponsible way, in a display that only brings embarrassment to our professional group. I never thought I would live to see the day when such a big collection of self called professionals would make me feel ashamed of wearing my uniform in public, something I've always felt proud of. Damn you all for it!!
Yes, mister Hazel250, Einstein was right in his philosophical postulation, and I humbly recognise that I wouldn't have put it any better.

[SuperBadass]

Mr. Alvega, :bored:

The fact that we all receive our salaries at the end of the month is not so much a privilege, but a right due to us by the fact we perform our work.

The fact that you feel a debt to the company for giving you your type rating etc., is wonderful sentiment, but most likely you had to prove your worth to the company and hence deserve their loyalty and respect. But that should not make you blind to the realities.

The current management did nothing to prove their capabilities prior to being assigned their positions.

I, like a lot of my colleagues, have proved my loyalty to AMU in the up and downs (for better and for worse), with all types of managers. What does it get me, a salary (which is a contractual obligation) a lapel pin (after 5 years), a small plaque (after 10 years) if I stay that long.

You say that I have to pay my respects to the company! But where is its respect for us, when they fail to provide adequate conditions for us? Simple example, look at their proposal for the wet lease of today and compare it to the previous one (never mind that we now know there can be even better as demonstrated a few years ago by Dragonair).

Where are the basic legal requirements for our training to be completed, all the ground courses that used to be provided that are no longer, and other that were never provided (like first aid, security etc.)? There are problems of greater liability, but it would not be appropriate to post them in a public forum such as this one.

As a professional you are under the obligation to analyse everything and to be able to differentiate the good and the bad and to continuously improve. Its obvious this is not the same for the higher management within AMU. Other than the previous Flight Safety Manager, when did one of your direct chiefs undergo training appropriate to their position?

If you hire knowledgeable people you can afford to cut some corners, but when you hire newbies (you could say, unqualified, inept, amateurish) you must pay the price, one way or another. We are now paying the price of not qualifying them appropriately.

Places such as this forum allows us to exchange opinions freely without fear of repercussion (so prevalent within the company), and if 1% of the discussion goes into making our life a little better than good. If not at least it allows us to vent a little steam.

Fly safe, and don't be so pompous. :cool:

[Hazel250]

pfff...Alvega, for sure, you'll never reach the Einstein level...
Anything to tell us about the Air Macau's situation? That's what we are interest in, not about your feelings about
the UNprofessionals pilots of Air Macau, like you call us or them.
We know that you only live for your proud of the uniform. Of course you are a professional pilot.
I would like to see you flying with a t-shirt or a short...without bars you are lost!
You are for sure the kind of guy, after the flight going to BNU, Park&shop , La Senado.etc...in uniform!
because of course you need to be valuated. People can see you, on the street with your nice AMu uniform,
then you fell proud and professional!...
Yeah, yeah, first typhoon, you are the first to call sick, first drop of water you request a deviation of 100nm,
...yes I flew with you!
So this post is about Air Macau financial trouble, rumours, and news...not about your feelings.
You are free not to open this post! Why you are still posting here?
...anyone has rumours or funny news about Air Macau? Fresh news about the wet lease?
Something very pleasant? Not any personnal feelings about professionals pilots?
Cheers...See you around Taipei tonight!

[alvega]

So my dear Hazel250, you think that yourself and the likes of you are the only ones with the right to post here. Judging by what has been written so far, you seem to be running out of inspiration. Suit yourself, I will not dwell in a dialog based on personal attacks and useless gibberish that you so much seem to enjoy, sorry old chap, not my style. By the way, I will not be in Taipei tonight. Nice try.

[alvega]

SuperBadass, finally a post without personal attacks and infantile scribbling. My compliments for a breath of fresh air in this swamp of smelly and infected posts. I am inclined to agree with almost all you've written here, just a few remarks though:

The fact that we all receive our salaries at the end of the month is not so much a privilege, but a right due to us by the fact we perform our work.


You don't seem to have ever suffered from the situation of working for a sinking company where the salaries are being held back for months in a row. Lucky you. I hope you never have to experience that situation.

...look at their proposal for the wet lease of today and compare it to the previous one (never mind that we now know there can be even better as demonstrated a few years ago by Dragonair).

Don't always believe what you ear or read here, most of it is gossip with the purpose of destabilising even more the present state of affairs.

...but when you hire newbies (you could say, unqualified, inept, amateurish) you must pay the price, one way or another.

Don't forget we were also newbies once. Give them time and they will mature like we did.

Fly safe, and don't be so pompous.

If I wanted to sound pompous I can assure you I would have put a lot more effort into it. That was not my intention. I take pride in my profession and it hurts to see so many bad examples from people that fail to realise how they are hurting the image of our community for lack of self respect. It probably was too easy for many of them and they fail to realise that it wasn't always like this, and it probably won't be again in the near future.

Best regards

[Hazel250]

Alvega, not in TPE tonight...of course you called sick, again!
Anyway, I don't feel the right to be the only one to post here.
But if you want, you can open a new subject called " My feelings about the AMU professionals pilot."... it's your right!
I'm not running out of inspiration, you only exhaust me with you lovely feelings!
One thing you have to remember:
It's not because you get a salary on the 28th that you have to open your legs , and accepta all kind of conditions.
The type of guys like you destroy the industry, by accepting anything in the name of the proudess, ...
I'm doing also my job, but I'll never accept to open my legs because of a salary on the 28th. This kind of job, they are many girls doing it in Macau.
You think AMU respect you, as a real professional pilot?
Let's talk about home base ticket, or sim allowances cuts, ... for them, you are just a bus driver.End of story.

Nothing personnal Alvega, but against the people of your type!

[alvega]

Hazel250, you missed the target again. Keep trying, you'll get there eventualy. Definitely we are not in the same range of frequencies. I rest my case with you.

Have a nice life.

[B747-800]

I can only agree with hazel250. Guys who bent forward just to look good to management are guys without backbone and balls!

[alvega]

B747-800, if by having balls and backbone you mean hiding behind a nick and shooting haphazardly in the hope to hit some target, you need to think again. judging by your posting history on PPRuNe, you are really omniscient and ubiquitous. I would like to see where you and those you relate to will be when the time comes to take a stand. Normally your kind vanishes into thin air in those circumstances, I've seen it before and I'm sure I will see it again and again.
Get a life, maybe you'll find a better use for your balls and some exercise for your backbone.

[B747-800]

@sylversurfer get a life first and earn your hours and stay out of talks of grown ups.

@alvega thanks for the "nice" words of yours. I wouldn't tell you who I am and where I am but I am pretty close around you man. So watch with whom you are talking face to face in the future.

[spectacular views]

It`s time to get the house in order!!

Enough bla bla bla !!!! it`s getting boring.
Let`s focus on the real things and where are the mooncakes this year? I know it`s not in our contracts but we should have it to celebrate the mid autumn festival! Reports saying that VPFO predicting difficult times ahead kept all the cakes bellow his desk :=.
We should all sign a paper again but this time to get our mooncakes back. :ok:

[Eyes of Truth]

Gromgutten

I agree with you 100%. These posts do give an insight into this airline and it's characters, some of them totally without scruples.

One such character was a nordic guy who left Air Macau for Indigo some time ago. He had no scruples. He took pride in telling everybody how he had married his american wife just so that he could get a Green Card to stay in the USA as an instructor. After spending some time in the US flying pocket jets, he came to Air Macau convinced that be possessed some sort of superior set of skills and was better than his colleagues. He was neither liked by his instructors or his peers. This First Officer, frustrated by no one else recognizing his self thought superior set of skills and experience, then channeled most of his time and energy into undermining the work being done by others.

Always looking out for a quick fix instead of willing to put in the hard work and wait in line for his turn like everyone else, he decided to go to Indigo to attempt Direct Entry Command. But for this it would suit him to leave Macau with some Cat II approaches on his records.
Approaches those that he didn't have but that wouldn't stop him. He just followed that great Chinese Proverb "If you can't do it, fake it" (Ancient chinese proverb commonly used in Zhuhai / Shenzhen :})

So after a flight, without the Captain knowing, he decided to just add a couple of CAT II approaches on the paperwork. But it so happened that the Captain found out what he had done and was furious by this despicable act. The pilot was later called into the CP's office, in the presence of the Captain who had been victimized. He gave some lame excuse for his act and sheepishly apologized. Contrary to the Captains desire for justice, Management decided not to take this case any further as this pilot had already submitted his resignation letter and was scheduled to leave. No use in pursuing this issue any further.

But in the same way that the postman always rings twice, the crook always strikes twice. A couple of weeks later the aforementioned pilot does it again. After doing the first two legs in a total of four, he makes up a story of how he is feeling ill and cannot continue the flight. A replacement is called and he leaves the cockpit, telling the Captain he will deliver the flight documents to the flight operations dispatch before he signs off. Of course by the the time those documents reached the operations dispatch they had some add-ons already. Another two non existant manual CAT II approaches marked down on the flight plan, just for his own personal benefit.
Faking illness to get a way to get the flight folder to himself so just that he could forge at free will after the papers had already been signed by the Captain of the flight. All this after having been caught doing precisely the same thing just weeks before. Machiavellic isn't it...
Unfortunately by the time that the second Captain found out that also he had been betrayed by this Judas of the Cockpits, he had already left for India.


But good to know that this gentleman is now in the holding pool for Emirates. The world is a small place. I'll personaly make sure that Emirates Recruitment Office gets a copy of the letter written by the airline to the local Civil Aviation Authority stating that this particular pilot had commited forgery more than once and asking for the immediate suspension of his licence. I'm sure that Emirates will appreciate avoiding such characters. It isn't like Air Macau that takes in all the riff-raff now is it...Pity that Indigo is not so thorough with their background checks. One phone call to his previous airline would have been enough to find out the scoundrel they had just hired. I'll make sure Emirates doesn't commit the same mistake. Justice shall be served, Insh'Allah.

I have no pity for the pilot who cheats his fellow pilots, trying to get one over, thinking he's smarter by commiting fraudulent acts.
You just knocked on the wrong door buddy. You should've stayed in hiding in India...:=


The Eyes of Truth speaks only the truth and nothing but the truth. Anyone from Air Macau can corroborate this story as being veracious.

[TonTonMatuk]

I agree entirely with u..Alvega is so POMPOUS... but empty inside him..
Hey Alvega if I were u I would be listening for winds of change man...listen to the wind..u and ur Pizzeria frds... a huge storm is approaching..better u and ur frds find shelter somewhere..

[TonTonMatuk]

You absolutely right man..they have no balls at all..lets wait and see...what happens when Ops Management is gone..they will change the dressing coat very quickly as good RATS they are....I hv a guess... baby sitter qualification is not enough anymore...eh eh eh eh...:confused::confused::confused:
Listen to the wind guys..listen to the wind...Huge storm approaching AMU..big changes..listen to the wind..3 names storm one after the other..no chance for those RATS man..they have a huge bill to pay for the bad they have done for AMU reputation...eh eh eh eh eh eh:ouch::ouch::ouch:
BE COLL MAN...JUST WAIT AND SEE WHO IS STANDING UP WHEN DUST SETTLES DOWN....EH EH EH EH EH AH AH AH AH AH:ugh::ugh::ugh:
Hey pizzeria guys...better get shelter...is gonna be a very bumpy ride...eh eh eh eh eh:D:D:D
NO PANIC BOYS...BALLS JUST BALLS....:= YEAH AH AH AH

[Hazel250]

:eek::eek::eek:...Eyes of thruth... You hit the bullseye!
Gromgutom...I hear that you were so stupid, you log 2 CATII from MFM-SZX-MFM...real ones, on CAVOK day...(And I'm not joking!) :ok::ok::ok:
So the upgrade with the indians never happend! :suspect:
I'm not suprise at all!
Hope for you EK never 'll never heart a such things!

......I want my mooncake! :{

[TonTonMatuk]

I M wondering...what would happen if it comes to knowledge of the Portuuese AACM Inspector.... better not, otherwise the bastard....i can imagine....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Hazel250]

Chhhhht...No one must know it in AACM!:=
It's a AMU public secret!:uhoh:
Gromgutom, why did you remove all your post and answers?
For once it wasn't a rumours, but just the truth! :)
Never mind he'll comes back with another nickname!

Today the crew mngmt calls me back for my passport, telling me , they have a 5 stars hotel in PEK for the crew. Newly built for the Olympics!

For my girl friend (who's officaly registred on my blue card), no ticket!
And for the housing and per diem, same, same!
And for my passport: same, same...I keep it!:E

[Eyes of Truth]

Indeed Hazel250

Gromgutten / TJ did in fact remove all his posts and went back into hiding. Scared that Indigo and Emirates will find out what a little weasel he is.

Justice has been served.

[Tziganul]

Hey mate,

You seem to know everything that is going on in your world. But please, if you want to improve your simple and lonely life, you can start with some English classes. Just a thought...

If you dislike your company, you should be the first one to leave. I think that people like you are poison for any company in the world. Perhaps you have tried to move on to the dessert yourself but unfortunately you and your great knowledge have not been able to get along the day of the interviews and you are now stuck in what seems to be to you a ****ty company and a ****ty place to live.

I feel sad for you my friend, and even more for your company. I hope they find out who you are soon so someone can kick your ass! Cheers ! :) Keep smiling and enjoy your beautiful Far East!

And one more thing, why the hell do you hate the P and the B so much?

[tonylollo]

Ermm

isnt this post titled Air Macau Money troubles . It now seems a personal vendetto against one pilot ,,, whomever he is and then someone new on the post telling everyone to take English Classes. Isn`t "dessert" something you eat???

Anyway back to the real stuff. Is NX going to survive or is it not. Oh and by the way I am sure not everyone does actually want to go to the desert.

Some are very settled and happy in Macau. Also the "grass is not greener on the other side of the field you know" definately not in the desert haha!

Oh and perhaps if those of you intent on killing eachother on this thread
should note that NX is not the only Airline with money troubles. Only the
big mega carriers seem to be riding the storm...:bored:

[Tziganul]

Hey Tonylolo,

You are right, this thread is now above and beyond the subject of the money trouble with AM. You have to admire thou how some people can just put their personal attacks on forums because they have no balls to go tell the guys in their faces. Anyhow, that's his little pathetic world.

As for the money trouble at AM, I don't believe they will go belly up. Let's just hope that they are able to keep their pilots by offering them a revised package. Otherwise, they will have to do like all the other airlines and park them. I don't believe that anyone in management will keep their jobs if that's the case. Keep your fingers crossed, pray if your a believer but something has do be done in the near future.

Cheers mates!

[TonTonMatuk]

The gREAT gREAT LEADER IS GONE AS EVERYONE KNEW.:D:D:D
Once David **** OOOPPSSS I beg your pardon Fei (as Great Great Leader) is gone I M wondering what will happen to our Great Leader VPFO and his chronies.:confused::confused::confused::confused: Let all this **** go for our own sake.... Dear colleagues. It's time to get rid off .... OOOOPPPSSSS!!!!!!!!!:ugh::ugh::ugh:
Finally we can see the light at the end of the fu.... tunnel OOOOOOOOPPPPPPPSSSS!!!
Maybe now conditions are met to have Shareholders injecting money in our Company...it was one of the conditions imposed by some shareholders. One of the fu...barriers is gone...now let's wait and see when the rest of our (****) Management goes...FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY the cripled people are on their way out. Change change change! I am really fed up with such AMATEURS in Mismanagement positions! Fu.....them all .From once to ...............all....FINALLY............UUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAA AAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUU!
HEY PIZZERIA BOYS WHAT DO YOU TELL US GUYS? SCARED? YEAH I CAN SEE ..............AH AH AH AH AH AH:E:E:E

[Gards]

Wow you guys are real professional! How can I sign up?

[Eyes of Truth]

Yeah whatever buddy....

It's a nice CAVOK day, why don't you go do some CAT II approaches instead...

[tonylollo]

So who is replacing David F????

Are you convinced whoever it is is going to do a better job.. I think I said before NX is not the only carrier loosing mega bucks. Also there appears to be a lot of vendettas on this post but to be honest what does the Flight Ops Department have to do with the state of the Airline`s financial
situation.????

:bored:

[TonTonMatuk]

VPFO is the only one responsible for the OPS Amu situation in all aspects from SOP's and general aviation rules compliance... in several areas such as discipline, etc.. etc.. Unable to readjust SOP's to Company reallity etc.. etc..He just bowes to CEO...never ever brought to CEO the real OPS problems of our Company..he is nothing but a kid without any Management experience,he lacks General Aviation knowledgeand Aviation Business references ..he was brought here and never ever bother to look around and learn about General Aviation Business principles..CEO and MR. Misunderstanding (Du) were a very bad DUO to this Company..Promiscuous DUO I would say...
HE IS A CLOWN...NOTHING ELSE..blaming everyone for his incapacity to promoting and develop several techinical aspects such as CAT3...etc.. etc.. SOP's readjustment....No adequate criterias in choosing Instructors ..just based on friendship and not in Technical and teaching skills...
He and his TEAM has to go ...otherwise we go no where...technically speaking.....
Ask him why CAT3 was not yet implemented? Considering so many diversions on Seoul flights...ask come on ask him and his TEAM...
Ask him and his CEO why Quality system was not yet implemented And approved?
Ask him why AMU FTO was not yet implemented and Oficially approved?
What he and His Loved CEO did regarding to stop base flights? Risky..expensive..aircraft cycles...slots..Training staff availability..time consuming... ZFTT syllabus approval for training purpose.etc..costs and costs...What they in fact did to supresse such a kind of flights?
BYE BYE LoLLO:suspect::suspect::suspect:

[Just_Du_It]

Yesterday's MDT said Fei officially gone:ok:, replaced by 3 Air China execs:rolleyes:. So one obstacle down, but....

...still no wet lease confirmed as of yesterday (it was "postponed" again:ugh:). Surely Air China will not be so stupid to confirm the wet lease until it has agreed to put in the money? Which can only mean... they still have not agreed to put in the money!!!:=

But even if they do finally agree the wet lease, and some money, we still dont have the SMS and may fail the ICAO/IATA audit next Spring.:bored: And full cross-straits is still coming next year :sad:

So you can bet that at least half of us are still screwed.:( If not all of us. Thanyou Mr CEO.

Happy Lantern Festival everyone....

[spectacular views]

Farewell party to CEO!

Let`s make a farewell party to CEO and use the same Brazilian restaurant that we used last time we got together after signing on a paper. A word of confort to our imature VPFO once his master is leaving. But don`t wary because we still supporting the **** you DU and you are not alone. Modern China produce top managers but we were unlucky with you. :sad:
To team mate CP his mission is almost accomplished with a few more country fellows to promote and then he can retire with his maid in the Phillipines. Maybe after that we are going to have a CP to all pilots and not just for a group with all respect to you guys.
But gladiators remain calm & stop asking for the head of people because later on they are going to eat each other fighting for the power. To criticize less perfect humans and his supporters is becoming less acceptable in our society. :=
Please bring a nice big handbag to offer to the CEO as a present. He will use it to put all the money that was used to pay the fuel. :ok:
I love a party!!!!!

[TonTonMatuk]

I do agree...absolutely!
Good point of view!
Screwed up it's the key word man. Unfortunately...

[TonTonMatuk]

Me 2 me 2 me 2 ...where the Party is? Hey Captain Panadol let me know where the sign up list is...I wanna be the first one to sign and see him and his associated bastards go...
Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah....... eh eh eheh ehI cannot stop ....I M dying out here ah ah ah ah..... eh eh eh eh eh eh
Congratulations Captain Du ..Do what? What does it? Did he?

[VROOUM]

From the Great Le Cesar POST!

New CEO to trim down staff numbers to rise savings! Pilots to work 90H per month is the target! :eek:

All the four Captains proposed to be the new LTC's, were vetted by the local CAA! Panadolle reverted to eXtasi! :ok:

Folks pilots in the wet lease with money to swallow ONLY a MacBurger a day! Cholesterol level on the rise! :\

More drivers heading to the desert! :D

ATT: PIZARIA GANG to promote a public rally to support the new emerging SUPER Great Great Leaders FUDU and their rotten sky policy! eXtasi and his neutered cowboys to do a door to door campain! :yuk:

More news to come from The Great Le Cesar POST!
Stay tuned.
VROOUM

[TonTonMatuk]

Bigbadass,

I am 100 percent with u!
It's the Company real picture. Unfortunately!

[TonTonMatuk]

I agree with you 100 percent.:ok:
The Pizza gang has suffered another defeat.:{:uhoh:
Awareness from all of us is requested at his Highest level...let's watch them all closely...:cool:pizzas, panadol,popeye, fudu's etc..etc...otherwise those unsucrupulous will assault and grab the POWER once again...

[TonTonMatuk]

Poor Little Spoiled Boy was vetted as Instructor. Of course! How come such a man with no professional attitude, lack of experience and poor or even none aviation back ground (street vendor experience) become an Instructor?:confused: LACK OF HUMBLENESS to say the least!
He is an expert on PANADOL ISSUES.:ok: Didn't log yet experience and knowledge enough to teach anyone....This is another proof how poor AMU Ops Management instructors selection criteria is: FRIENDSHIP nothing else.:= This could be seen in another perspective: Traffic of Influence.. This issue should be brought to AMU Chairman attention.:D That's why AMU Training Standards are going from bad to worse...:E
Of course it was a blatant choice....:mad: It could be a reward for services provided to his Great Leader!
Shame on them all!

[TonTonMatuk]

Absolutely...Lol lol:D :D:D
Great and fantastic view..the guy together the other 2 is biggest son of a bitch in this Company... He is a real pig!:E:E
Disgusting!!:*:*

[TonTonMatuk]

Spectacular Views,
Did you read the article referred above?
David Fei marketing strategy is to be followed according to the new Chairman/CEO declaration. No change at all!
I am very much concerned. All of us ought to be very much preocupied.
Where the money comes from to pay such a policy considering it a medium run policy before get some profits out of it? This strategy it's exactly what the other share holders vetted ( Shun Tak , BNU and Air Portugal).
How can Air China legally inject money in the Company? A 2/3 quorum among the shareholders is required to do so.
I see no improvements at all..same lack of ideas and adequate strategies. I am now seriously considering a diversion...soon we will be running out of fuel...Mayday!Mayday! Mayday!

[spectacular views]

The return of the losers & the loss of control

We are watching an increadible number of pilots that left the company recently trying to come back because they are failing from Korea to Middle-east. So Flight Ops will have a new form:

RETURN OF **** / INCOMPETENT PILOTS FORM.
Seniorities will not be respected anymore and protection to your incompetence will be assured again :ok:.

The control of the standard and discipline are lost! Scared inexperienced new captains bypassing VPFO & CP and sending reports to FLT Safety Dep about scared inexperienced FOs :{. Flight Safety doing magazines with cartoons teaching pilots how to land an aircraft.

Instructors lost respect and can`t reach a consensus on how to teach. One instructor score his friends before the check and spend 3 hrs of the sim taking coffee and just1 hr on the box. Looking forward skinny sticky boy! :E
Other spend the hole day at Mc Donalds eating burgers like a whale and forget to study. You don`t know **** man! :confused:
The other is a master in communication but nobody ever heard his voice, so everything is always good! You have a CRM of a horse. :oh:
There is another one that used to have good standards but forgot and changed the red/green shirt to the yellow desorganized shirt.:uhoh:

Our last hope is that our Fleet Manager will find a room on the 18 floor ( not a corner on CP office), put a SUPERMAN suit and show some hard line that is required, and prove that everybody was wrong about him except for getting late all the time. :} Seriuos man get them! It`s your time tiger! :zzz:


DU YOU UNDERSTAND?

[TonTonMatuk]

Fantastic to say the least...:D
I am delighted! At last seems people woke up and is now voicing out their concerns.:ok:
It's the right time to get all this rubish out of AMU. For our own sake...otherwise we have to divert somewhere else....
Pan! Pan! Pan!...Pan! Pan! Pan!... Pan! Pan! Pan!:uhoh:
Let's get together in order to fight them back...It's about time to get rid off all this ......t!:O

[TonTonMatuk]

Hey Pizza boy...we already heard about last performance.... SPICY!!!!!!!

[VMMC34]

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp156/macauchina/panadol.jpg

[Pitiless]

TonTonMatuk, you are absolutely right!
I also heard about pizza boy performance on his last sim prof check.
Amazes me such a kind of differentiate treatment. Also on top of that we all professionals..means we all have obligations towards the public we transport. Standards it's a very important key role on every Company in terms of Safety. That's what the prof cheks are for! Right?
This issue together with the Eng . problem in Guilin a couple of days ago is keeping me very much preocupied...
I don't really know what to say...to speak quite frankly!

[Pitiless]

You also do (did)? I am very much surprised! Honestly speaking.
Is that true?
Well...maybe a gossip!

[Pitiless]

You absolutely right!
Because of guys like Alvega and some others already in Beijing we are not respected. You are right when saying we treated as Bus Drivers..Exactly!
AMU will never ever get me there without a proper pay and..accordingly to Regulations..despite no matter AMU does...Authority seems not concerned..
Authority??? Where the Authority is? A bunch of Public Servants..no more...
I hate people with no SPINE!
Nothing else to say!

[Pitiless]

Expectations! Great expectation!
As you all may well know AMU is running out of cash... If nothing profited out of B.Directors today's meeting we may expect the worse...
Together with canabilized aircraft procedure such as B-MAN to supply an engine to another aircraft (Guilin incident) it's a very bad sign! Things are getting out of proportion and reaching the end of the line....
Let's wait and see what happens to the pay roll by the end of the month...

[Capt.Du]

We are not running out of cash. I have personally checked, and my huge bonus for such good performance in 2008 is safe. Our ex-CEO says I am very good manager, and work very hard.

To show new CEO how good I am, I have started a new cost saving scheme. Now we fly with only one engine to save more money, to pay my (and his) bonus. MAB will be back shortly with one engine-very economical. Capt F tells me one engine takeoff is ok, so is ok. No more spare parts, ok?

There is no Authority, except me and my friends. And I say you go for 3 weeks to PEK, or more if I cant find more pilots. Fortunately, Pizza Boy is one of our best pilots, so he will go soon to show what a good image we have.

VMMC34 I find your picture very insulting. Since CPs nephew is expert hacker I know who you are. Now you get no bonus this year. Or any other pilot. Except me. Because I work very hard for my money.

Now I go back to work to promote the maintenance guy who ordered the wrong parts this week. Helped us save costs on MAH and MAP. Good work, you see.....

[Pitiless]

I feel sorrow for you. I understand you very much isolated. A kind of lack of support?
How? How?
You so goooooooooooooodddddddd!
I am the previous Management are to be blamed!
Bastards! Bastards!
You can count on me! I am with you man!

[Pitiless]

Regarding single engine toff procedure it's about time to implement capt.f ideas..for cost savings!
I don't see any reason to object such a procedure. Frankly speaking i don't.
SOP's: As you say...du as I say..
RTOW.?.funny Airbus Ideas...
May I give you some advice? On trial flight to implement and validate such a kind of toff i recommend crewing as listed below:
cm1: do
cm2: f...
obs: filipino..maiden
On behalf AACM Rep: yellow/green frog

VIP pax's:
chairman/ceo
maint.VPFO golden medallist
hum.resource. pink panter
Maybe we could all get rid off ..our brillant mismanegement!

[the hotel is full]

Why in the current times, with so many A320 qualified pilots on the market, this company still screening pilots with 0 hours on type? Where are the costs saving knowing the time and scares it takes to release them? Why not to take advantage of the current situation and increase the quality level of the pilots in this company? Who/what is the criteria selecting new drivers?
If you noticed on the other threads on PPrune our Company is seen as a last resort that you just look if you can`t find a job or you have 0 hours on type. Try Air Macau or Air Asia, that`s what they say. Sad.
Thats why we need a change. Fleet manager it`s your time now. You are the Barack Obama of China. You already have enough experience as Company Organizer and it`s time to get that CP office. Yes Fleet Manager, YES YOU CAN. We need a Chief Pilot to all the pilots and finish with that shamefull lobbies. We know you have the potential to impose discipline and credibility back to the Company. Change , Change , Change!

DU YOU THINK IT`S POSSIBLE? YES WE CAN!

[Fubaliera]

Are you kidding. Obama has a brain. He is the Hugo Chavez of China.

[Capt.Du]

I want stop this concern about our new FOs. Just because they not have any hours on jet aircrafts, does not mean we must not give them a chance. We are "equal opportunity" airline. We have employed pilots with bad eyes, bad backs, bad Engleeeesh, bad smell, bad hair, bad breath, bad pizza, bad taste in girls, and bad dancing. So we give everybody a chance. Especially if they are cheap, pay to fly, or friend of chief pilot.

But we only employ best management, ok! :ok:

[Fubaliera]

Lets not forget about the low time giggilo F/O who got engaged in order to get the Jet Job

[Pitiless]

What????????? You must be joking man!!!!!!!!
I s he a good example of Disciplinary or whatsoever???
I can't believe.........:=:=:confused::confused:

[VROOUM]

From the Great Le Cesar POST!

The Board of Directors is strongly considering the appointment of YoYoDU, current FOFO VP, as the company's new CEW - Chief Executive Watcher.
Yesterday, speaking at the Pizza’s place, one of the Pizzeria gang speakers, mr. Panadol, said: Our friend "YoYo” possesses the right blend of seasoned leadership, strategic knowledge, and sleeper skills required to helm the company towards the new industry's challenges and, also to capitalize on its opportunities." He further noted that "YoYo” brings a unique depth of experience to the position. Another supporter, mr. Popeye, added: His proven undercover expertise and background, well proven in the recent past history, will provide the flagcarrier with the strategic direction required to meet the supreme goals."In his new capacity, YoYo will serve as executioner for all employees and, moreover brings complementary strengths to the company's highly talented team leaded by ANe Bell RO Sa.
Later on, talking to some close supporters, " YoYo” said, he welcomed the opportunity to grab one step further on his career and look forward to share his enormous intelligence expertise by leading his best friend FU Kin against all the “black sheep’s”.In this extent, we have made significant achievements during the past 3 years. I am honored to accept this challenge and I promise to lead the herd to the realm of the damned, YOYO added.

More news to come from The Great Le Cesar POST!
Stay tuned.
VROOUM

[TonTonMatuk]

Mr. Vrouum,

I do agree entirely with you. Not a surprise coming from where such a support comes!
Mediocrity it's the prevailing word....

[Pitiless]

Yeah you are right!

[Pitiless]

No doubts! If you look deeper into the situtation it raises some questions...The legal (watcher) Department (AACM) what are they doing? The odd event with the AACM Inspector few months ago it also raises some questions: How could AMU and respective Management deal in such way with so serious incident ? The AMU Management didn't handle the situation in the proper manner..by the contrary promoted confrontation with the Authority. Another misunderstanding among several others? Also the public event (dinner) gathering so many pilots supporting an illegal act and menacing to go on strike? Why such attitude of impunity? Something going on at the back stage? I am wondering if It could be a case....for some investigation to be carried out by another well known Macanese Department...CCC?
It could be...knowing so many irregularities happening these days....it could be labelled as criminal conduct...to say the least! No? Perhaps.....YES!

[Fubaliera]

What is a chief executive watcher.

[TonTonMatuk]

Ask that question to our Fleet Manager captain FU....!:p
He is well tuned.....:zzz:

[Pitiless]

I rather suggest to ask Pizzeria Gang boys...:ok:
They are surely very much interested on such promotion...no doubts!:D
By the way those bastards didn't volunteer yet to Beijing Operation..Why?;) Anyone to guess?...:oh:

[Fubaliera]

Hey guys
How come nobody is talking about the unfair inmoral firing of F/O M.R. On top of letting him go without any compensation they have the nerve to charge im the training bound. Everybody nows that NX traing is 3rd class but it didnt matter in the past because no body got fired. If he was chinese or was dating at Training Capts daughter this would have never happened. Hey guys this is the time to get together and do a supporrt dinner as they did for the check airman who got suspended in the past.

[TonTonMatuk]

What are you talking about? What do you mean by a professional pilot?
I am not here to defend or judge the referred pilot. Probably he deserve it. I don't really know. It gets me when someone in NX steps forward talking about ectics or whatsoever...
AMU it's definitely not a good example of Company in terms of professionalism and ectics. Just look backwards and carefully analyse the Company PUBLIC events in the last few months. A good assorted of events i would say: fight between 2 pilots witnessed by passengers, Authority Inspector refused to board the aircraft, pilots dispute and arguments in flight regarding SOP's compliance ( quite a few), AACM Inspector physically threatened by 2 gangster pilots (Pizzeria Gang boys), SIM prof.checks unduly and illegally extend to protect someone who failed the check ( the same opportunity it's not given to everyone/ NO EQUITY TREATMENT IN NX) ETC. ETC...
Apart a group of good professional pilots ( quite a few I would say)There are a good banch of incompetente pilots in our Company. Some of them are nothing but unscrupulous people above everything.. They can not do the professional way. It's just a matter to look at their performance in SIM sessions. WOW man! Just look at their Company records if you can. You will find out by yourself how professional misery they are...They have no place where to go! Definitely not. No doubts man! Unless you are blind.....Or wanna be...
Give yourself a second thought before say something about ectics or justice in this Company... PLEASE!

[Bigbadass]

Idiots,

How can the company fire some poor slob who has done only around 200 hours in 15 months for failing to instantly check the radial of his VOR (he CDI was not set but the needle was still pointing to the correct VOR).

But wait, he not only had virtually not flown, but also was made to fly with "pretend pilot incapacitation" all the way from PVG.

But wait, there is more, throughout this ordeal, instead of allowing time for him to think how he would perform the rest of the flight, the intelligent instructor decided that this would be the ideal opportunity to grill him on all sorts of possible scenarios.

Wonderful training standards, most Captains in Air Macau would also fail in this similar test if they had been subjected to similar level of stress as this pilot.

Keep it up guys, if the management does not you guys will destroy this airline.
:mad:

[TonTonMatuk]

Idiots??!! Quite a few in AMU Operations I would say!
You should know the full story of AMU from the very first begin. If you recall it back to 1995.... You would realize then the sort of immature assholes that at meantime took Management, Training and Captancy positions....
Apart from few good professionals and balance people still around, MEDIOCRITY IS PREVAILING in AMU these days....
In the past most of them were not given even a single chance to murmur their thoughts.... Actually THE EXCELLENT AMU living status prooves how good our Management is......
Don't forget..THE PREVIOUS MANAGEMENT IS TO BE BLAMED!!! ( pizzeria gang argument).
It Reminds me Robert Mugabe African story...the British are to be blamed for Country cholera outbreak!
LOL! LOL!

[TonTonMatuk]

Yeah let's get dinner together.
Hey pizzeria gang boys where the sign up list is? I wanna join too...
Hey poppeye don't conceal the list... Panadol/excstasy...action! action! pizza boy jump on your scooter riding it around Macau..rallying for a good cause: equity treatment guy!
LOL!

[Fubaliera]

What can you expect from all you can eat Fatinelli. He doesnt now any better im just surprised of the PIC on board that flight. He is a good man, very professional and knowledgable. Im shocked that he would be involved in screwing a fellow expat aviator.
There are other problem children but they all fall in a protected pilot group. Why didnt they screw the local chinese cabin crew who couldnt land the plane to save his life, as his excuse was lack of jet time, so why screw F/O MR for lack of improvement. Everybody has a learning curve and we all forget were we came from. Where the chinese cadets proficient in 200 hours when they started at Air Macau even after getting a type rating at TAP and lots of intense line training.
Now with this F/O terminated, Is NX a better place to be........

[Pitiless]

LOL!:ugh::=:D:rolleyes::suspect::*:*:*

[Pitiless]

Did you hear the last rumour?
Capt.Ca...ei...a is joining AACM. Have you already imagine the mess? 2 old timers together as AACM Inspectors? WoW!!!!
Pizzeria boys you need an extra shield..specially pizza and poppeye boys.
LOL! :O:p OUCH OUCH OUCH :ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch:...MAMA MIA!!!

[load sheet]

You guys from airmacau never grow up.....
If you are not happy just move on. Don't be li'ke old ladeis complaining and doing nothing.
Stop gossiping.
About Ca..l...a the pizza boys now have a lot to talk about:ugh:
Have funnnnnn

[VMMC34]

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6392/funny8ct8.jpg

[TonTonMatuk]

Exotic guy to say the least... LOL LOL

[fly emirates]

how about the bonus and training process of flight dispatcher in air macau?
many thanks ~ ;)

[armchairpilot94116]

Is this Air Macau or Comedy Central ? I used to fly Air Macau and thought I only had to worry about the food not being as good as Cathay :eek: