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Binoculars
3rd Jun 2008, 14:21
Or more importantly, where do you personally place other Ppruners? Since few are likely to rank themselves as extremists, apart from TD, it would be instructive as to where others rate us all! Go for it!

1. Extreme right wing.

The answer to everything is to be found in the free market. If you canít cope, itís your own fault. Forget about blaming others, you are a loser and better off dead. All government is pernicious by definition, and taxation is an evil disincentive to honest hard working god-fearing gun-toting citizens who should be allowed to shoot anybody who disagrees with them. Anybody on social welfare of any sort has never done an honest dayís work and the world would be a better place without them. The stocks should be introduced for shoplifting, the cane compulsory for affecting the lives of honest citizens in any way, and captial punishment is reasonable for grand theft auto and above.

2. Right wing and proud of it.

Businessmen are noble risk-takers who are the providers of all honest work. Non-productive workers are a menace to society, and most government workers are included in that description. Police, the defence forces, nurses and (reluctantly) teachers are excluded. Men are providers, women are comforters. The nuclear family is the very basis of society and should remain that way. Homos are perverts and probably paedophiles who subvert the concept of the nuclear family. Capital punishment is unarguable and abortion is evil.

3. Right of centre.

I live my life, I donít impinge on anybody elseís lifestyle. I donít think much of a lot of them, like the homos, but what the hell, each to his own. I expect to work for my money, but the tax! Why am I paying so much tax to support those who contribute nothing? We all have to live and I donít expect everybody to conform to my way of thinking but hey, Iím the backbone of this society and should be entitled to special breaks. Why are these nobodies trying to break into my home? Itís just not fair.

4. Neutral and confused.

I used to think I knew what was going on, but I look at the world around me and realise I havenít a clue. I have a brain but nobody is interested. Iíve always worked and paid my taxes happily because thatís how society works isnít it? But I look at the constant sniping between political parties about how to spend my taxes and wonder why various lobby groups have the ear of government when average citizens donít.

5. Left of centre.

I call myself a social democrat and get annoyed when I am accused of being a socialist. I simply believe in a fair go for everyone who is prepared to make the effort. Taxes are an inherent part of the capitalist system and should be put to the best possible use for all citizens, but those able to provide for themselves should be entitled to certain breaks. I have grave doubts about capital punishment, but I can live with it if the evidence is absloutely undeniable. Bugger off with your censorship, Iím an adult and make up my own mind. The excesses of business bother me.

6. Left wing and proud of it.

It is outrageous that normal people should be subjected to the excesses of the capitalist system. Every person should be entitled to a roof over their heads. Reasonably priced accommodation should be provided at government expense, and the tax rates on rich businessmen should be increased to ensure that happens. What possible reason could a government have for interfering in a personís sex life? Get the hell out of our bedrooms, you prudes. Do you not believe that love can exist between members of the same sex?

7. Extreme left wing.

Women should be afforded special breaks because they have been oppressed for so long by the patriarchal society, and governments should rightly provide all minorities, be they aboriginals, artists, students, pensioners, lesbians or women in general the wherewithal to live their lives free of the excessive demands of the bourgeois capitalists. Nobody earning less than $40,000 a year should pay any tax at all, and all rents should be government controlled. Every business is corrupt by definition . Thieves, every one of them, stealing from the mouths of innocent citizens.

Ozzy
3rd Jun 2008, 14:25
-7

Ozzy

surely not
3rd Jun 2008, 14:27
I'm a 5 on your rating Binos............

Binoculars
3rd Jun 2008, 14:28
Well, I admit it had occurred to me to provide a list of JB'ers who fitted the various categories, and Ozzy would have been a prime example of a 1. But there are more complex examples out there. I suppose it would be more interesting to hear your opinions of where others stand rather than where you think you stand yourself.

Ozzy
3rd Jun 2008, 14:31
Not sure your categories are well described there Bins but I suspect you are a 3!!

Ozzy -7 and proud of it :E

IainB
3rd Jun 2008, 14:31
Somewhere between 2 and 3, but with occasional 1 tendencies when crims are involved.

:confused:

Big Tudor
3rd Jun 2008, 14:35
Nobody earning less than $40,000 a year should pay any tax at all
Who thinks Ozzy earns $39,950? ;)

Have to put meself as a 4 I think. Used to think I knew what was happening, not anymore.

Whirlygig
3rd Jun 2008, 14:39
Somewhere between a 3 and a 5 but the no. 4 as wot's described above!!!

Cheers

Whirls

airship
3rd Jun 2008, 14:44
I'm a 4 but confused, therefore tending towards the 7. But it's only because I wasn't born a 1, 2 or 3. Believe me, had I been fortunate enough to belong to one of those former categories, I would surely be as defensive and protective of my birthrights on those issues as I am on other issues because I was not born with a proverbial golden-spoon in my gob. :rolleyes:

But if con-pilot wants to adopt me, bestowing the love of a (rich) father on his newly-found and wayward son, I'd be pleased to re-examine the whole issue...?! :ok:

Blacksheep
3rd Jun 2008, 14:49
None of the above. I'm unique.

Tolerant on most things but hard line right wing when it comes to crime and criminals. I'd give anybody 'three strikes and you're out' for anything above littering or parking offences, but by 'out' I mean out. Albert Pierrepoint style.

Overdrive
3rd Jun 2008, 15:07
Approximately 2.75 (but without the bigotry I like to think), with a permeative tinge of parts of 4.

tony draper
3rd Jun 2008, 15:20
Good stuff Mr B, a cunning plan and they are falling for it, everybody over two will be added to the list,we shall make you a hero of the Party for pretending to be a fluffist for all these years.
:E

Binoculars
3rd Jun 2008, 15:22
Curses, Moriarty. I was hoping you wouldn't let the feline out of the container.

goudie
3rd Jun 2008, 15:33
Anywhere between 1 and 5 depending on what mood I'm in.

Life's a Beech
3rd Jun 2008, 15:36
2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Roughly one statement from each descriptive paragraph.

tony draper
3rd Jun 2008, 15:39
Well you know what they say, a 7 is just a 1 who hasn't been mugged yet. :rolleyes:

PanPanYourself
3rd Jun 2008, 15:44
5 most of the time.

1 when I'm in a bad mood.

chksix
3rd Jun 2008, 16:25
1 or 2 :E

Need better laws in sweden however...

con-pilot
3rd Jun 2008, 16:30
After taking a lot of those stupid test running all over the Internet regarding one's political leanings/beliefs I have to say I am a totally confused #4.

And damn proud of it...............................................I think.

brickhistory
3rd Jun 2008, 16:30
3 with tendencies to 2, the older I get.

Especially with Why are these nobodies trying to break into my home? Itís just not fair.

Fair?! 'Fair' is for losers. Right-wingers win and go home and f*ck the cheerleader.*

That is a shoot first and dial 911 later situation after ensuring there's only one side to the story..................




*with apologies to Sean Connery in "The Rock."

helimutt
3rd Jun 2008, 16:35
so that's what it all means. :) Put me down as a definite 1 then please!:suspect:

chuks
3rd Jun 2008, 16:36
That would be a 5 plus a 3. The 4 description is too loaded and negative.

Beatriz Fontana
3rd Jun 2008, 16:59
I am not a number or a category, I am a free woman!

(What category does that make me...?)

By the look of it, I have a little bit of all of them, depending upon mood ;)

Whirlygig
3rd Jun 2008, 17:04
Strictly Bea, that'll make you Number 6! :}

Be seeing ya!

Cheers

Whirls

KiloDeltaYankee
3rd Jun 2008, 17:13
For me the closest category would be 5, although I cant accept capital punishment under any circumstances.

tony draper
3rd Jun 2008, 17:28
You would not have a lot of choice with yer arms strapped to your side your feet strapped together and a large chap either side of you dragging you to the trapdoor.
:E

Pontius Navigator
3rd Jun 2008, 18:38
2.5

Decided I am not a racist, just don't like foreigners, not too keen on Yorkshire either :} or Essex come to that, don't mind the Welsh, in Wales, but then not many out of Wales unlike the Jocks :)

'Chuffer' Dandridge
3rd Jun 2008, 19:48
Probably 3 or 4. Fairly easy about people who choose an alternative sexuality, agree with abortion when required, but dont have much time for the huggy fluffy, left wing socialist types that seem to run everything these days..

And any political party that can get rid of the ridiculous Human 'Rights' Act, brings back common sense, ditches the HSE and introduces 'real' hard labour for muggers & rapists gets my vote forever. A chain gang mending the roads and railways sounds good....

C130 Techie
3rd Jun 2008, 20:23
Mostly 3 I reckon apart from the bit about deserving special breaks. I am a great believer in social responsibility.

ORAC
3rd Jun 2008, 21:02
The Political Compass (http://politicalcompass.org/)

ORAC's result:
http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.38&soc=-2.87

ChristiaanJ
3rd Jun 2008, 21:14
Halfway between 3 and 5, but definitely not matching the 4 description...

Maybe that should be redefined?

brickhistory
3rd Jun 2008, 21:40
If KYD's I cant accept capital punishment under any circumstances.

isn't going to be used, may I have it?



There's more than a few child molesters, rapists, serial murderers, and a few others who need it.

Standard Noise
3rd Jun 2008, 21:48
Somewhere twixt 2 and 3 but I don't think anyone on less than £75k should have to pay income tax. That's what we have rich people for.:E

chksix
3rd Jun 2008, 22:03
http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.88&soc=4.82

A bit less Right than I first thought it would be.

The Capital punishment question was a bit hit and miss for me since I'm not a native speaker. I read it as: Capital punishment should be optional for the seriuos crimes. I voted that I agree, hoping that they meant that CP should be mandatory for seriuos crimes

http://politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.gif

TwinAisle
3rd Jun 2008, 22:10
None of the above. I'm a libertarian humanist.

Cron
3rd Jun 2008, 22:13
Here's the statistics from posters so far. I'm too dim to graph it.

Score.... Number of
1.......... 2
2.5....... 3
2.75..... 1
3......... 3
4......... 4
5......... 4

Going to watch naked gun now.

Regards

Cron

corsair
3rd Jun 2008, 22:22
4 and 5, which is disappointing as I have regarded myself as more right wing of late.

Guess I'm just a champagne socialist. Or I would be if I could afford champagne.

Overdrive
3rd Jun 2008, 22:34
I landed right on top of Kevin Rudd... don't know what to make of that... :(

reynoldsno1
4th Jun 2008, 00:06
Nobody earning less than $40,000 a year should pay any tax at all
that's just fascist twaddle - everyone should be paid equally - nothing at all. Everyone collects their government issued ration of food & drink and retires to their government issued room to watch government run TV on their government issued TV.... :ooh:

Dushan
4th Jun 2008, 00:58
Brick,

3 with tendencies to 2, the older I get.


Since I am older than you, I have already reached 1.

And Binos, did you have to ask?

Rush2112
4th Jun 2008, 01:31
Somewhat to the right of 1. I believe Baroness Thatcher was a pinko. Genghis Khan was a leftwing apologist.

Did the test:
Economic Left/Right: 4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.90

Upper right quadrant somewhere.

Howard Hughes
4th Jun 2008, 01:44
Definitely a 3 or is that 5? well I guess that makes me a 4 then doesn't it!

In all seriousness I would consider myself slightly to the right, but by your descriptions I come in at 5, go figure?:confused:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Howard3200/pcgraphpng.png

FARCK ME, I'm a lefty...:{

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
4th Jun 2008, 02:41
I thought the quote was Well you know what they say, a 1 is just a 7 who hasn't fallen on hard times yet. :oh:

ORAC, those colours on that chart of yours are ... just a little bit gay :E

CoodaShooda
4th Jun 2008, 03:04
None of your descriptions fit comfortably Binos but I would have put myself to the right of you. However:-

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

That's to the south west of you Howard, about where Ghandi sits. Probably explains my predeliction with sarongs and thongs (flip flops) :E

pigboat
4th Jun 2008, 03:13
Cooda I'm glad you explained the predilection to flip flops. The other was too awful to contemplate. :D

Dan D'air
4th Jun 2008, 07:22
After having read the options, I am definitely a 2, which is quite worrying at 40.

TwinAisle
4th Jun 2008, 08:37
Just done that compass test -

Economic Left/Right: 8.7
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.6

So far, far away in the bottom right hand corner.... (http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=8.7&soc=-8.6)

Should I be embarrassed??

TA

Jetex Jim
4th Jun 2008, 09:03
The question might be, is only a two dimensional graph sufficient?

Perhaps an Atheist <-> God-fearing axis should be included as well.

Or do we just assume that the A-G axis parallels the Left Right vector?

TwinAisle
4th Jun 2008, 09:07
Or do we just assume that the A-G axis parallels the Left Right vector?

Absolutely not. I scored 8.7 on the L/R scale (putting me somewhere out right of Ghengis Khan), and I am a complete atheist of the Dawkins "if you believe in fairy tales, you are mentally weak" school....

Scooby Don't
4th Jun 2008, 10:21
http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-0.50&soc=-1.38


Surprised the hell out of me!!! I thought I was an old-fashioned Tory, possibly leaning towards the Whig side of the spectrum. Then again, the test is based in the Land O' Red V Blue and reflects their hot-button issues. If it were biased towards the issues affecting Brits, Canuckistanis, Sefricans or Outer Mongolians, the results would differ....

The same is true of Binocular's definitions which started this thread. Far-right to some means authoritarian; to others it means libertarian. There are, after all, some inconsistencies in the thinking of neo-cons which not everyone on the right shares! One can, and arguably should, oppose the death penalty if one opposes abortion - that would be greatly more consistent with The New Testament. One can also be entirely okay with homosexuality and still right-wing, or okay with homosexuality as a practice but not too keen on gay marriage, or a lefty and a homophobic bigot! That's even true in the US it must be said, where "African-Americans" [I hate hyphenated nationalities - PC b*llocks - but apparently we're no longer allowed to say black Americans...] vote Democrat by a huge margin but are also much more likely than the white population to oppose gay rights.

Anyhoo, I believe the following:

Freedom of speech, thought, religious belief and movement are paramount.

The state's first responsibility is to defend its people from foreign aggression.

Foreign policy should be decided on the basis of the national interest, not some cr*p about ethics [on the left] or spreading democracy [on the right].

The state has no place in the bedroom.

The bedroom has no place on TV, at least when kids are watching.

Violence in movies and video games DOES desensitize the young and make some more prone to use violence. A video game is NOT free speech.

Government is necessary to defend the state and to provide policing, education, health care [yes it should, even in the US where GOVERNMENT spending on health care per capita exceeds that in any other other western democracy - maybe a national health service would cost less...], infrastructure and a judicial system. That costs taxation. Suck it up.

When taxation, direct or indirect, is even close to half the earnings of a moderately successful professional person, government is broken.

Business is neither good nor bad. It is necessary. The same is true of employment law.

Business should be compelled to be socially responsible but not to the extent that it cannot do business.

Immigration is not a bad thing, but it needs to be controlled. No one should be allowed a passport for a country, other than their country of birth, without first showing that they are loyal to their new country, to the satisfaction of a reasonable person.

Nations should be allowed, without fear of PC bullsh*t, to promote among immigrants and others the traditional beliefs and modes of behaviour of the nation. In essence, if you want the protection of a British or Canadian or American passport, you'd better be willing to become British, Canadian or American. So there.

Immigrants who preach violence against their adoptive nations should be deported without right of appeal, subject to a fair evaluation of the evidence against them.

Law-abiding citizens have a right to be protected from violence and crime by the state. Where the state cannot fulfil this obligation, citizens should not be hindered from providing for their own defence.

Welfare cheats should be treated as thieves, and so should thieves! Those who cheat the system by becoming pregnant a lot should not be rewarded by the state.

Did I miss anything, Mr Draper??? :ok:

tony draper
4th Jun 2008, 11:06
Err, how do you feel about invading France and taking back the bits that belongs to us?
:rolleyes:

Wader2
4th Jun 2008, 11:32
Ran the test twice with a different answer to some of the tricky questions and each time authoritarian and closer to the centre than pope Benedict and Romano Prodi. I think the most significant is that I am centrist, particularly in the communist/liberal sense but much nearer anarchism than most of the internationalists.

So I am either a leftist authoritarian with anarchist tendencies or a dont' know.

S'land
4th Jun 2008, 12:03
Did the test and came out as:
Economic Left/Right: -5,5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3,3

Puts me in an area surrounded by Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and The Dahli Lama.

And there was me thinking that I was getting more right wing in my dotage.

Mr D:
We should have invaded France to reclaim our own years ago. Problem is that governments both left and right have lost the bottle to do that.

Lydia Dustbin
4th Jun 2008, 12:13
Recently i have had to be a 3 to 4, simply because my twin brother Tigs who is a 1 is still banned and 'we doesn't know whyzes our precioussss'.

Pinky the pilot
4th Jun 2008, 12:13
A 2.5 and what Scooby Don't said!:ok:

And I want my semi-autos back!!

goudie
4th Jun 2008, 12:18
We did invade France in '44. Took it away from the Germans and gave it back to France. I blame the Americans!

Ozzy
4th Jun 2008, 14:55
Economic Left/Right: 6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.23

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=6.25&soc=3.23

Not as far right as I thought I was, ****.

Ozzy

Life's a Beech
4th Jun 2008, 15:08
The political compass is not a lot better.military action that defies international law is sometimes justifiedWhat does this mean? What international law is it talking about? There are conventions for war, concerning how it is conducted. They are not laws however unless incorporated into national statute. However there is no law that says when a nation may go to war.

Life's a Beech
4th Jun 2008, 15:15
Although, to be fair, I think it got me about right.

http://politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.00&soc=-2.10

It got Hitler wrong, though. It had him to the right, whereas he was slightly left-wing. And Thatcher wasn't that authoritarian. Not nearly so much as Blair, for example. they put Brown as less authoritarian, which is ridiculous. Second in a government that introduced 3000 new offences in 10 years? That's about 6 a week on average!

Binoculars
4th Jun 2008, 15:19
Yes you are, Ozzy, never fear!

I visited that quiz a few years ago and remember thinking that the result would have been totally different had I taken it in a different mood, or had I answered some of the ambiguous questions in a different but in some respects still honest way.

Which goes to show that this seemingly plausible and respectable quiz is no more correct than my late night rant making up definitions as I went along.

We all know what we are, deep inside ourselves.

Rejoice in it if you must, though I confess I'm always taken aback by the number of ranting right wingers who are proud of their views and happy to regale anybody with them at any time under the assumption that anybody with common sense will agree with them. This applies to ALL taxi drivers and most pub bores. I suspect most of them listen to and derive their opinions from talkback radio.

The definitions of each category I invented were a result of my own biases and are thus ludicrous by definition. I count myself as a pure 5 because I was describing myself when I set the criteria. For the same reason I am also a pure 4, and I can understand those who say that they are somewhere between 3 and 5 but don't like 4.

So hey! Make up your own definitions!

Thanks to all who have contributed, I'd still like to see Ppruners' classifications of other Ppruners based on what they read here.

PanPanYourself
4th Jun 2008, 15:24
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03
http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.25&soc=-5.03

Wow, I'm really close to Gandhi on the graph :p


Who are you close to Ozzy? :E

Ozzy
4th Jun 2008, 15:30
Who are you close to Ozzy?

Gordon Fecking Brown, that can't be right. Or maybe it is:E:E:E

Ozzy

brickhistory
4th Jun 2008, 16:13
I confess I'm always taken aback by the number of ranting right wingers who are proud of their views and happy to regale anybody with them at any time under the assumption that anybody with common sense will agree with them.


But those from the left are welcome to rant unopposed?


I'd still like to see Ppruners' classifications of other Ppruners based on what they read here.

I would but I didn't see an UFB (un-f*cking-believable) rating.

Lydia Dustbin
4th Jun 2008, 16:25
so with this test that everyone is doing, it has accurately laid out plots for Stalin, Hitler, Ghandi, Brams, motzart etc. So did they have a puter?, and if so did they take the test? providing they had electricity to run the puter that is.

Wingswinger
4th Jun 2008, 17:21
2.5 gusting 2 with 1-ish tendencies on a bad day. Gosh, there are a lot of fluffies hiding here!


Stap me vitals. Just done the test. Just left of centre economically and bang in the middle on the authoritarian/libertarian scale. Whodathoughtit! :eek:

Krystal n chips
4th Jun 2008, 17:40
Having viewed the graph, all I can say is that I would find it impossible to quantify the epitome of intellect, moderation, physique and generally perfect example of humanity in such simple plebian numerical values....the preceding description being of myself of course.....:ok::E.......this description is, erm,not universal :)......however.....

If this is some sort of subliminal Market Research carried out for those Tory :mad: then you can f$%k right off you Aussie :mad:....and for Mr D, start learning the lyrics below...you can sing it in the tumbril en-route......to Madame La G.!

http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Red_Flag.htm

Thank you, comrades ;):E

tony draper
4th Jun 2008, 17:56
Getting one's name moved up the list in the Black Book is not an outcome one should deliberately seek Mr Chips.
Afraid a few decades in the re-education camps is not an option for you now.:E

Life's a Beech
4th Jun 2008, 21:38
I'm always taken aback by the number of ranting right wingers who are proud of their viewsBinoculars

I assume you are proud of your views, and your rants.

I am not sure I have ever seen anything so self-righteous and arrogant presented without embarrassment, excepting of course the words of journalists and politicians. In fact all that we can assume is that you have no understanding of right-wing politics, so your advocacy of left-wing solutions is by default, not a result of rational comparison of a variety of viewpoints and their arguments. Very common on the left, but not a thing to be proud of.

Binoculars
5th Jun 2008, 02:12
But those from the left are welcome to rant unopposed?

Brick, I'm not talking about an internet forum where rantings and chest beating and the return of fire are de rigueur, I'm talking about personal contact, especially with people who don't know you from a bar of soap.

It's simply my experience that committed left wingers tend to gauge the prevailing sentiment before launching, though you may have a different experience. I have never had a taxi driver spouting left wing dribble at me, but who knows? Maybe there aren't any left wing cabbies? I tend to think my other explanation is more likely.

Atlas Shrugged
5th Jun 2008, 03:15
1 - or somewhere between 1 & 2

Effluent Man
5th Jun 2008, 08:41
As one who has had,or at least perceived that there has been,criticism for being "Left" I find this a very interesting thread. Although (5) more or less sums my position up,especially in terms of equality of opportunity there are elements of several other positions that I find myself in sympathy with.

I think that there is a left/right divide across many issues.I tend towards libertarianism on personal freedom and on things such as sexuality my position is "If it harms nobody else it's none of your business".The number of times we have seen right wing politicians exposed on this is huge and many of Hitler's followers, despite the fact that the only camp they admitted to was concentration,were homosexuals.

I have no dispute with capital punishment but would want to be certain,and think that public safety considerations overrule certain legal rights.Any sociologists worth his salt (And whether you consider that a contradiction in terms possibly places you in a box)will tell you that it isn't possible to pigeon hole these things accurately.

In fact I think i might display anarachist tendencies in the way that the self-employed often do.

Chesty Morgan
5th Jun 2008, 08:47
Pah! Hitler was too far left for me.:ok:

Effluent Man
5th Jun 2008, 09:08
Herr H is an excellent illustration of my point.Standing on the Baltic coast is the ruins of a megolithic concrete hotel about two miles long that was built by his good self.This kind of state sponsored tourism is exactly the kind of ruse thought up by left wing dictators just as soon as young Adolf had been dealt with.

We got Butlin's instead.

Dan D'air
5th Jun 2008, 09:43
That's even true in the US it must be said, where "African-Americans" [I hate hyphenated nationalities - PC b*llocks - but apparently we're no longer allowed to say black Americans...

I recently had occasion to make a statement to the Police in the US regarding a robbery in a store I was shopping in. When describing the fecker who robbed the shop, I used the word "negro" as I couldn't remember the latest PC-friendly phrase, and was nearly arrested myself. It's all a load of b0ll0ck$.

Binoculars
5th Jun 2008, 12:59
Perhaps, Dan, you could start a thread along those lines, calling it, oh I don't know, something like PC Gone Mad? That would be original.

BlueDiamond
5th Jun 2008, 13:12
... apparently we're no longer allowed to say black Americans...
Maybe we should ignore their racist bullsh!t and refer to them as Americans. Or at the worst, Americans of Irish/Polish/African/British descent, whichever is applicable. Some of them would probably have difficulty listing half a dozen African countries or naming the capital of Sudan. African Americans? I don't think so.

frostbite
5th Jun 2008, 14:39
Isn't IC1, IC2, IC3 etc. the PC way?

Binoculars
5th Jun 2008, 14:42
Sorry, frostbite, I can't answer that because I know not of which you speak.

Dan D'air
5th Jun 2008, 14:57
Isn't IC1, IC2, IC3 etc. the PC way?

Only if you are a PC apparently.

Binoculars
5th Jun 2008, 14:58
I'll be more direct, please humour me. What does IC1 etc mean?

Life's a Beech
5th Jun 2008, 15:03
Binoculars

My experience is entirely the opposite. Those with right-wing views (apart from cabbies) tend to be nervous of presenting them unless they know they are likely to receive a sympathetic hearing. This is fairly reasonable, as in my experience people on the left are very intolerant of disagreement, and rather self-righteous. It is particularly the case in academic, left-wing environments, not only my experience (although my university was not as left-wing as some) but shown by recent events in UK and US academia.

As far as I have seen left-wingers assume that anyone who disagrees is nasty, and right-wingers consider people who disagree to be mistaken or misinformed. Very different attitudes.

Whirlygig
5th Jun 2008, 15:26
IC1: White European
IC2: Dark European
IC3: African Caribbean
IC4: Asian
IC5: Oriental
IC6: Arab
IC7: Radio DJs who are IC1, but trying desperately to be IC3-er
IC8: Musical celebrities born IC3 but are now IC1, except paler
IC9: Ali G (IC 1-8 added together)

Binos, you obviously don't watch The Bill down under! :}

Cheers

Whirls

Binoculars
5th Jun 2008, 15:41
Good grief. No, you're correct, Whirls, and I had never heard of this. Australians will reluctantly put up with "Indigenous Australians" but I can't imagine that system ever taking off here.

Interestingly enough, my beloved Aero Club today played host to an Education Queensland seminar. As president I was hanging around to make sure everything ran smoothly and was forced to listen to a lot of speakers talking all sorts of PC gone mad! (6, I think)

There was a way above average attendance of indigenes in attendance, and every time a Caucasian got up to speak, they started by thanking the "traditional owners" of this land (the Aero Club) for allowing them here today. The first time I heard it I looked sideways at my Treasurer, who would qualify as a 1 on my scale any time of the year, and we could only roll our eyes at each other. Hey, sisters, it's your $300, say what you like. I'm pragmatic about these things.

I spoke in favour of a symbolic apology on these pages, hoping it would not turn into a greedy grab for money. I'm afraid, however, that my worst fears have come true, insofar as the aboriginal industry in Australia, for all that they supposedly represent simple earth people who just want to be left alone, have accumulated a tremendously expensive and unaccountable bureaucracy, and are seen as untouchable. That has to change if they and the rest of the nation are to move on.

Beatriz Fontana
5th Jun 2008, 17:39
Whirls, what if you're none of the above... Like Iranian?

Whirlygig
5th Jun 2008, 17:46
CC1 - Black with white paws DSH
CC2 - Tabby DSH
CC3 - Rex and other curly-coats
CC4 - Long-hair Iranian/Persian (anything ending -ian)
CC5 - Oriental Siamese/Burmese (anything ending -ese)
CC6 - Lanky african
CC7 - Indetermination moggy

Bea, he's a CC4 - hope that helps! I have a CC1 and a CC1/CC6 cross!:} (sorry, mixed race!!)

Cheers

Whirls

Beatriz Fontana
5th Jun 2008, 20:29
:D:D

Mine's a CC4 which is a CC1 in colour!

(Mean and grumpy temperament so I'm told, hence "Iranian" rather than cute Persian...)

Dan D'air
5th Jun 2008, 20:37
Slightly off thread, but let's face it Bea, your cat is plain f**king evil.

Beatriz Fontana
5th Jun 2008, 20:41
Slightly off thread, but let's face it Bea, your cat is plain f**king evil.

I think you two have a love-hate relationship... love to hate each other!!

The Political Compass puts me somewhere just south west of Thatcher.... Happy with that!

Dan D'air
5th Jun 2008, 20:44
Bloomin liberal!! Mind you, when I did it, Hitler was to my left............:O

ChristiaanJ
5th Jun 2008, 21:01
IIRC, Herr Hitler was "National" (far right) "Socialist" (far left).
Would have put him right in the middle of the scale, no?

I DO have my doubts about the 'Political Compass' ratings....

I found myself at 2.5 left and 4.3 down on the 'social' scale.

On the 'social' scale it may be about right, but on the 'economic' scale, "herself" usually accuses me of being a raving righty. Makes you wonder, eh....?