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Paracab
2nd Jun 2008, 18:44
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7432088.stm

16th teenage to be killed in London since January.

BarbiesBoyfriend
2nd Jun 2008, 18:55
ermmmm..... no.

treat people like idiots. they act like idiots.

Government response. Pass more 'anti-idiot' laws.

Result?

treat people like idiots...............:ugh:

G-CPTN
2nd Jun 2008, 19:26
A man, aged in his 30s, has been arrested over the teenager's stabbing.
Police said they did not believe the incident was gang-related.Maybe you are jumping to conclusions?

Sounds like a 'domestic'.

Paracab
2nd Jun 2008, 19:32
That info wasn't available when I read the report. And that the fact it was a domestic doesn't make it any better, although I accept it isolates this incident from the other crime.

G-CPTN
2nd Jun 2008, 19:40
Apparently, many of the 'knife' incidents involve kitchen knives, not 'fighting' knives.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1022734/Kitchen-knives-common-stabbing-weapon-police-reveal-haul-200-weapons-seized-blitz.html
Some guy was suggesting that kitchen knives should be produced without points . . .
http://express.lineone.net/posts/view/46266/Ban-kitchen-knives-to-save-lives-says-doctor

The Chinese manage with these:- http://lh3.ggpht.com/vintnersgroup/RlOoWdNe1DI/AAAAAAAAAVg/hBMRtt_C8eU/IMG_2941.JPG?imgmax=576

arcniz
2nd Jun 2008, 20:42
Well, then, require kinves to be without points and edges, as well.

Then go to work on the "rock" connundrum.

tony draper
2nd Jun 2008, 21:10
9 pm curfew for everyone under the age of 18, 8 pm for those under 14, severe punishment inflicted on those that disobey involving pain and humiliation tiz the only thing the wee bastards will understand.

SpringHeeledJack
2nd Jun 2008, 22:17
I would have to concur with herr draper, that the majority need the hard way instead of biscuits and a cup of cocoa and a pc chat. It seems that the yoof of today have become convinced that they need a weapon to keep them safe and when there are 'situations' where paths cross they are less able to decline their usage.

It seems that within the afro-caribbean community (the majority of murders are from this group) it is de-rigeur to carry a knife and even a gun among the younger men and it's seen (within their peer group) as manly and a means of getting respect, especially if you use it :( Where are all the positive role models ??? Too many "Daddy-cools" and not enough cool dads if you ask me.

Also i firmly believe that the advent of home-computers/game-boys/etc have created a generation of young people who have less time honing their interpersonal skills through alienation at home and this combined with ever more realistic games where they "kill" without consequences......well it doesn't turn you into a killer, but it makes the possibility of violence more acceptable.

They need discipline and yes it might have to be non-pc to work. Any suggestions ?


Regards


SHJ

tony draper
2nd Jun 2008, 22:40
What the fluffist fail to understand is the more violent individuals in these gangs are or are willing they are to use violence the higher their status among their peer group,and for that age status in the group is everything, if you imagine one of these toerags is sitting in a cell weeping bitterly full of remorse at taking some other kids life with gun or knife you are very wrong,they have attained god hood among their own.
This applied to much lesser extend to my generation,the "hard case" was always admired in the local,something that is perhaps hard wired into the male of the species,the admiration for the best fighter,the killer of his enemies,we have allowed this phenomenon to run out of control in our young for too long
It would take draconian measures to reign it in now,measures this society and the EU Human Rights Laws would not allow us to adopt,so we better just get used to it.
:cool:

TURIN
2nd Jun 2008, 22:44
BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM....

WTF is that noise? said I.

Looked outside to see 4 cars, a couple of mopeds and about 20 young adults milling about outside the house.

Popped out, asked noise maker to turn it down as little un was asleep. He obliged, no question. Calmly walked back in the house.

BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM....

That was my heartbeat after I realised that not so far away from here a chap got kicked to death for asking just the same thing not long ago. :(

:sad:

con-pilot
2nd Jun 2008, 23:44
Perhaps if you replied with your own:

BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM....

By using a 12 gage (guage?) shotgun fired into the air the lads may get the message and move along. :p

(Here we just call the police and they will arrive in about five to ten minutes.)

TURIN
3rd Jun 2008, 09:24
Actually i would need two guns or at least be able to reload very quickly.
Oh hang on. A pump action would do the trick wouldn't it? :ok:

Nick Riviera
3rd Jun 2008, 11:57
Can't remember the exact figures, but when Met Police had a stop and search crackdown recently they found something like 2000 youths carrying deadly weapons. This resulted in NINE prosecutions. Until this ratio is upped considerably there will be no end to this violence.

Standard Noise
3rd Jun 2008, 12:09
BBC are reporting that the latest victim had been subjected to harrassment by local youths and that the Police knew all about it.

Question needs to be asked why nothing was done before this young girl was murdered if this was indeed the case. Obviously the laws being proposed on an almost weekly basis by the idiots in Westminster, are not what we actually need to stop youth crime. But then the idiots in Westminster are more interested in a six figure salary than doing anything that benefits the people who pay their wages. Useless w4nkers.

Effluent Man
3rd Jun 2008, 14:18
My neighbour owns a company involved in oil exploration. Drives an XK8,wife has a Range Rover,you know the sort.A while back an ambulance arrived and carried him off on a stretcher.Apparently she had knifed him.If these two can get up to shenannigans like this then it isn;t really surprising that kids in inner city tower blocks do.

Ozzy
3rd Jun 2008, 14:33
It's time to make knives illegal and ensure only sporks (http://tingilinde.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/spork.jpg) are sold in every fine kitchen supply store in the country.

Ozzy

oldshuck
3rd Jun 2008, 14:57
Have you tried slicing a raw turnip with a "spork" ?

Ozzy
3rd Jun 2008, 15:02
Nope, so it must be time to ban turnips as well!!

Ozzy

Overdrive
3rd Jun 2008, 15:59
It's time to make knives illegal and ensure only sporks (http://tingilinde.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/spork.jpg) are sold in every fine kitchen supply store in the country.




I guess they've taken over from "Splayds"... remember them?

chksix
3rd Jun 2008, 16:05
Here's a tip for the blokes who need fast shotguns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2mFcsa7mw&search=extremas

(might have been posted before)

con-pilot
3rd Jun 2008, 16:19
Dang, 12 shots in 1.73 seconds. :eek:

Overdrive
3rd Jun 2008, 16:23
Extrema "Too" easy! That guy is pretty handy though....

MartinCh
3rd Jun 2008, 18:21
I don't want to sound too cynical and misantropic, BUT:
It's 'OK' if bad seeds kill each other. Some kind of Darwinism, in a perverted way. I remember dozen guys in one 'VIP club' gunned down in Southern Slovakia in Al Capone style, less polite memo between mafia families.

It's NOT OK if these thugs harrass innocent people or 'bring it on' amongst general public as they can't wait. Family of that Polish girl killed by single 'strayed bullet' in a daylight in grocery car park would say their opinion.
Or recent events when people are killed because of normal decency.

I was harrassed along with my flatmates by WHITE teenage bastards from 'neighbourhood' couple minutes' walk from Edgware Rd tube. Rather Arabic area, but still enough ASBO 'mum-in-tracksuit-redneck-with-fag' families.
I almost lost my sight for being decent, non-violent person and then stones flying accidentally through windows of the ground floor flat followed as nothing was done satisfyingly (like it would change things) after that wee a-hole almost blinded me (long story). A policeman told me that group tended to smash their police cars windshields when not attended. Hmmm.

That was London. When I lived in White Scots-Polish-Chinese mixed area in Edinburgh, one guy who (shortly) lived im my house, had seriously big stones thrown at him walking down the street. Missed his head, thankfully. That was two weeks before my female flatmate and her Spanish friend (nationality doesn't matter anyway in this case) were randomly attacked when smoking and chatting in front of the hall entry doors. He had shit beaten out of him within seconds, she only had couple teets moved a bit.

What can I say? 'FUN' to live in the UK. Then I read stories about some Polish flatshares in Belfast having stones thrown into windows (lucky bastards, locals have another 'medicine' to thread their fellow Northern Irish, this foreigner-invented Molotov cocktail) - tell me about Smirnoff starting cocktail revolution as it's in telly. 'Twas Molotov who "KINDLED" international revolutions. Not to mention me being verbally abused quite a few times.

Still, living in Belfast is so far my most peaceful time. Knock knock. I'm planning to live in and around Cardiff, so hope for the bestest time there.

Ah, well for you who say, NI isn't mainland or ROI, hmm. Some lads in Dublin are known to attack white European migrants as well. So it's whole 'British Isles' thing but exacerbated in big mainland cities. Well, London has it all in heapfulls..

I've been around and will be, but surely ain't gonna raise my kids here should I have some. I won't go into reasons for all this marasm.

Back to topic, if I remember, sometime in 2002 (+-1year) this time of year, Slovakia was well ahead with the count - over 17 people killed. Considering 5,5mil population, it's worse than London.
To be precise, over 17 people killed/run over by car/ by POLICEMEN whether on or off duty. Including grannies, kids. I'm sure you can't beat that.
Well, that's just 'confirmed kills' in media documented accidents. Not counting close shaves etc. At least it seems most police force in the UK (exception of killers of Menezes and the likes) try to prevent killing and not causing it.

Speeding/careless and drink driving is a serious problem. But if it happens to policemen.. Pretty sad.

The very foundations of society are so eroded. It'll all only going to get worse I'm afraid. Stricter, disciplined upbringing with occasional belt for serious troublemaking, free time activities that supplemented proper parenting, not so complacent environment to violence and binge drinking - IT'S ALL THING OF A PAST.

Why do teachers in the UK get paid so much more in London than elsewhere? Not just because of the 'cost of living', also as financial incentive not to give up on the whole thing. Hope head teachers now can kick out violent thugs from school. I've heard something about not being able in the past.

Violent, criminal youth in the US or UK at least doesn't mirror 'continental countries' though those ain't getting better either. Just not so opulent.

I'm even sick of my moaning about this all.

pineridge
3rd Jun 2008, 19:28
No, not until the courts and the general public accept that the west has a problem that requires a rethink about the role of police and the judiciary.
I see that the Metropolitan Police have been changed from a police force to a police service and their main duty is to assist the free flow of road traffic. Their erstwhile personal involvement with crime prevention has been downgraded and handed over to cameras. The definition of crime has been watered down over the years to a status approaching that of some sort of sociological illness, to be cured not by punishment but by rehabilitation.
The Metropolitan Police were given powers in the decades following the fall of Napolean to deal with the thousands of troops drifting back to England, unskilled, unemployable, probably armed. The Metropolitan Police Act of 1839, among many other provisions, gave police, under section 66 of the act, the power to stop, search and detain just about anyone or thing that they had reason to believe had possession of anything stolen or unlawfully obtained.
This act was used to great effect by the London police for many years, and inevitably generated a great many complaints against police, particularly from visible minorities.
It was held to be sufficient grounds for the courts if , for example, police stopped and searched a group of teenagers at 3AM in St.Jamses`Square. Apart from the almost inevitable supply of illicit substances, often a weapon would be found. If the reason for the carriage of said weapon was given as "self-protection" then the subect of the search would be arrested and charged under the statutes pertainng to offensive weapons.
However, the cries of racialism, fascism and police harrassment from politicians,journalists and activists rose to a roar and effectively chased the police off the streets.
So now we have what we wished for; a society which is terrorized from within by its own citizens and without the protection that an effective police force can provide, and one in which the criminal can go about his business without being worried too much about the law.
More police on the streets. More support from the legislature. More punishment for the miscreant.

chksix
3rd Jun 2008, 21:47
I'm admiring the Death patrols of Mexico City (I think) that do their best to clear the streets of scum.

Ten West
3rd Jun 2008, 23:53
Video games have a lot to answer for:

http://www.olganon.org/?q=node/2107

It's called 'Operant conditioning' and was used extensively during the Vietnam war IIRC.

very worrying stuff. :confused: