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drshmoo
29th May 2008, 14:59
How many Litres in a barrel of jet fuel
Barrel of crude oil = 158litres
Obviously they are different but by how much?

Peter Fanelli
29th May 2008, 15:05
There are 42 gallons of products in one barrel of crude.
While oil from various regions have varying properties, on average, a barrel of crude contains about 19.4 gallons of gasoline, 8.9 gallons of fuel oil (used for home heating oil, diesel fuel, and commercial fuel oil), 4.2 gallons of jet fuel, 2.7 gallons of resid (used as industrial fuel), 2.0 gallons of still gas (used for marine transportation or power), 1.8 gallons of coke (mostly exported as industrial fuel), 1.8 gallons of liquefied gas (think propane, butane, etc.), 1.4 gallons of petrochemical feedstock, 1.3 gallons of asphalt, 0.5 gallons of lubricants, and 0.3 gallons of others.
The total of these products is 2.3 gallons more than 42, due to reprocessing.





I believe US gallons are quoted here.

tiptoeturkey
30th May 2008, 00:10
Could it be the old 44 gallon drum?
Now how many of these are consumed every day around the world?

spanner90
30th May 2008, 06:04
I am led to believe (so please don't flame me if it's not true!), that:

44 imp gallons = 55 US gallons = 205 litres = 1 barrel

Yes, it's the good old "44".

BTW, 205 litres of unleaded cost (at todays price) $A327.59 ($A1.598/litre).:(

The bicycle looks better every day...:uhoh:

dogcharlietree
30th May 2008, 06:15
From Wikipedia;

Oil barrel: 42 US gallons, 158.9873 litres, or 34.9723 Imperial (UK) gallons.

Sfchong
5th Sep 2017, 08:30
(1) How many Litres of aviation fuel in a barrel.

(2) what is the weight(kilograms) of aviation fuel per barrel.

Ozgrade3
5th Sep 2017, 11:45
No one has asked yet.................where do they put all the empty barrels.

Ducks & runs

Avtrician
5th Sep 2017, 11:49
A barrel (drum) of jet fuel has 200 usable litres (unless you pick it up and tip it in).

I have pumped many drums into Hueys while standing ankle deep in water. A whale gusher pump takes a long time to empty a drum

Ascend Charlie
5th Sep 2017, 22:01
Avtrician, how many diaphragms did you burst on the Gusher by trying to go faster than 1 pump every 2 seconds?

porch monkey
6th Sep 2017, 06:39
Holy necropost.......:eek:

Sunfish
6th Sep 2017, 09:35
from memory, jet A1 and Avgas are always supplied in brand new barrels (also lube oil). the used drums go to a criminal organisation called drum reconditioners. they are then repainted "reconditioned" and sold back to oil companies for use for less critical drum stock.

601
6th Sep 2017, 13:03
Barrel is a measure for crude oil 42 US Gal. It can be a container for beer, wine and spirits.

Drums are the containers for the carriage of Avgas, Avtur, Petrol, Diesel, Lube Oil. A drum nominally contains 44 Imp Gal, 55 US Gal or 200 Litres.

I have never heard a 44 referred to as a "barrel"

Flying Binghi
6th Sep 2017, 13:31
I have never heard a 44 referred to as a "barrel"



That's because yer don't hang out with the Melbourne toffs...:)







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pzu
6th Sep 2017, 13:43
Barrel (bbl) equals US Barrel and is a recognised unit of volume of US origin and primarily used in the Oil industry, as a unit of volume it is usually referenced to 60*Fahreneit equal to 42 US gallons which is equal 34.9723 Imp gallons or 158.9873 litres both referenced to 15*C
For practical purposes the above are 'accountancy' terms and there is no recognised container for a 'Barrel'

The physical Oil Drum (in some areas incorrectly referred to as a barrel) is a common means of storing/delivering liquid products and typically holds 44 Imperial gallons at 15*C equal to 200 litres at 15*C or 52.804 US gallons at 60*F

PZU - Out of Africa (Retired)

Officer Kite
6th Sep 2017, 16:25
wouldn't this depend on the specific gravity? get the crp out ...

Runaway Gun
6th Sep 2017, 17:34
Not specific gravity related, because a litre is volume measurement, not weight.

piperpa46
6th Sep 2017, 18:21
I know some confusion where I'm located is that the local word for both barrel and drum is the same.

Band a Lot
7th Sep 2017, 11:36
That drum or barrel if you wish to call it can hold +217 litres of liquid in this case Avgas (but that's not relevant as it is just any liquid)


This was at about 30 degrees C.

Tankengine
7th Sep 2017, 21:47
Ever wonder why we picked 44 gallons?

Hints : WW2 and American 50 gallon drums. ;)

Avtrician
8th Sep 2017, 09:31
Ascend Charlie,

how many diaphragms did you burst on the Gusher by trying to go faster than 1 pump every 2 seconds?

I haven't popped a diaphragm, but it used to squirt out the sides some times. Thought I might bust something in me a time or two..

:)

underfire
8th Sep 2017, 16:48
Looking at a barrel of mil spec JA1 in front of me.... 42 US Gallons.

IATA fuel price monitor uses 42 US Gallons per bbl (barrel) for its cost index worldwide.

Why would there be different packaging to 55 or 44 gal drums for some parts of Australia?

megan
9th Sep 2017, 05:37
The oil barrel measurement of 42 US gallons originated from the use of whisky barrels in the 1870's which were of 42 US gallon capacity.

The origin of the drum dates from 1905, and as stated by Tankengine gained wide spread use in WWII. It is an international standard container now of 55 US or 44 imp gal. Standard drums have inside dimensions of 572 millimetres (22.5 in) diameter and 851 millimetres (33.5 in) height. These dimensions yield a volume of about 218,681 cm³ or 218.681 litres (57.8 US gal; 48.1 imp gal), but they are commonly filled to about 200 litres.

https://aoghs.org/transportation/nellie-bly-oil-drum/

Band a Lot
9th Sep 2017, 06:51
Megan - I think you will find the filling standard is 205 litres, but I am not sure why I guessed it was a imperial thing.

I worked much of this out doing a fuel cal on a C210 that has a main tank capacity of 44 GAL years ago. It was far short of 200 litres when overflowing!

Eddie Dean
9th Sep 2017, 07:35
Weymouth used the standing up of a 44gal drum(full) as a prerequisite to flying at VRD, was extremely pissed when the CP showed Robyn, a whirlybird, on her first job, how to do it. Leverage not power does it for you.

mustafagander
9th Sep 2017, 10:22
Perhaps, Band a Lot, 205L allows for the loss when you tilt the drum to ensure water etc is not picked up by your pump. That way you still get 200L. I really don't know, just a thought.

megan
9th Sep 2017, 10:29
I think you will find the filling standard is 205 litresNearly 60 years ago ago used to be the airport refueller when the drum and quart stroke pump was all on offer. A graduated broomstick of suitable length was used to dip the drum before and after refuelling in order to calculate the amount dispensed, and fill out the docket. No idea now what registered on a full drum.

Anthony Verster
29th Nov 2020, 20:32
A barrel (drum) of jet fuel has 200 usable litres (unless you pick it up and tip it in).

I have pumped many drums into Hueys while standing ankle deep in water. A whale gusher pump takes a long time to empty a drum
How much jet fuel really in a barrel can you say for definite 200 lts or not, or are you just guessing?

morno
30th Nov 2020, 08:56
Geez, thread resurrection of the year!

megan
30th Nov 2020, 10:56
How much jet fuel really in a barrel can you say for definite 200 lts or not, or are you just guessingThe drum is stamped as containing 200 litres, in big letters for the hard of reading.

swh
30th Nov 2020, 17:50
The drum is stamped as containing 200 litres, in big letters for the hard of reading.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x750/image_26057dcadbcb2b03682f9cd273e265014d0a2570.jpeg
Except when it stamped 190 l

megan
1st Dec 2020, 01:18
That's the Philippines swh, I'd expect to be short changed. :p In Oz you get 200.

http://www.rechargepetroleum.com.au/aviation/


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/jet_a1_avgas_146ff1bf72cf73b50fae071b979c57a0df2e0d7f.jpg

FL235
1st Dec 2020, 05:18
Off thread, but talk of drums brought it back. Burketown in the ‘60’s. Early morning after arriving at last light. Head office advised B’town closest fuel to a big aerial survey job needed ASAP, so we should operate from there. I was not impressed - B’town in 60’s- but boss anxious to please head office, so I reluctantly agreed.

Managed to find the fuel agent -

“I’m told you’ve got AVGAS”
”That’s right”
To boss - I guess we can survive it for a week.
OK, I’ll be coming in each day at lunchtime and last light, needing about 100 gals a time.
“Jeez,mate. I’ve got a drum!”

Thanks very much, we’re going to the Isa!

Bend alot
1st Dec 2020, 06:23
The drum is stamped as containing 200 litres, in big letters for the hard of reading.
If you look around you will find 205 lts drums marked and referenced - so not so sure of you hard of reading comment!

swh
1st Dec 2020, 09:25
That's the Philippines swh, I'd expect to be short changed. :p In Oz you get 200.

Aviation Fuel - Recharge Petroleum (http://www.rechargepetroleum.com.au/aviation/)


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x480/jet_a1_avgas_146ff1bf72cf73b50fae071b979c57a0df2e0d7f.jpg

My point was you need to reference what is written on the drum and not to assume. Just like the photo you have chosen to use is in South Africa, not Australia.

Lead Balloon
1st Dec 2020, 18:49
A ‘standard’ 44 gallon (55 US gallon) drum can hold a tad over 218 litres.

There are reasons for them being ‘filled’ to 190 litres in some places, 200 in others and 205 in yet others.

Don’t sweat it. Those who do should subscribe to BBC 4’s ‘Boring Talks’ https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-boring-talks/id1332490817

tail wheel
1st Dec 2020, 20:59
44 Imperial Gallons x 4.546 = 200 liters
55 US Gallons x 3.785 = 208 liters
1 Imperial Gallon x 1.2 = 1.2 US Gallons
1 Barrel of Crude = 42 US Gallons, 35 Imperial Gallons or 159 liters.
https://www.aoghs.org/transportation/history-of-the-42-gallon-oil-barrel/

I'm not aware of Jet fuel being sold in "Barrels" (being the 42 US gallon "Tiece" equivalent), rather drums filled to either Imperial or US Gallons and clearly labelled with the content volume.

megan
2nd Dec 2020, 05:38
As with all things drums are governed by an international standard, the subject drum being sized at 22.5 inch diameter and 33.25 height internally giving the following nominal volumes,

57.23 US Gals
47.66 Imp Gals
216.64 Litres

In Oz industry is referred to as a 44 Gal, 205 Litre, why 205 when 44 = 200?,

Lead Balloon
2nd Dec 2020, 06:48
I think we need a Royal Commission into this.

Pastor of Muppets
3rd Dec 2020, 08:10
‘Cos Straya!