Etihad vs Emirates

[Foxe]

Hi everybody, I'm starting to look to head east and on the paper, Etihad package is very close with the Emirates package. Now I read almost everything on this website on EK and I'm a little worried where EK is going with the pilot group and the work conditions.... Is Etihad heading the same way or it's way different and if you have the choice which company would you pick and why?

Thank you

[alghazal]

go Ek !!!!!!!!!!

[Wiley]

There are an increasing number who'd add a "from" in between the two words of your enthusiastic exortation, algaz.

[GoreTex]

none of the above

[kamaciwa]

if you're not desperate, avoid this place. If you are, skip EY for the next 2-3 years. Their housing problem is getting bad to worse...... I just don't see any short term solution coming.
But, may be it is not just he company that will drive you nuts..... its the whole country. You'll keep repeating this phrase more than you'd want " what the f:\:}:ooh: am I doing here".

For a new joiner, you will find EK a better airline to start with. Far more organized than EY. You'll hear less complain from the guys joining EK than EY. If you're an FO, I wouldn't think twice.

Again, if you're desperate... what choice do you have.

Good luck....

[Yani Yani]

EMIRATES AIRLINE

CAPTAIN SALARY:

Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 32,430 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 525.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 60 per block hour. For example, a Captain flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 4,500 as Flying Pay.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions - however an End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 11,865 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided for spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September 2007) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay First Officer Captain
Starting basic salary in AED 20,840
29,750

AUD Australian Dollar 1,563
2,231

NZD New Zealand Dollar 1,563
2,231
CAD Canadian Dollar 1,563
2,231
GBP Pound Sterling 1,515
2,163

EUR Euro 1,563
2,231

ZAR South African Rand 183
262

BRL Brazilian Real 1,563
2,231

FIRST OFFICER SALARY:

Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 22,720 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
On promotion to Captain, a pilot's salary is increased by ten steps. The minimum initial salary on promotion to Captain is Dhs 32,430 per month.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 375.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 45 per block hour. For example, a First Officer flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 3,375 as Flying Pay.

ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions – however End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 10,565 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided to spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay First Officer Captain
Starting basic salary in AED 20,840
29,750

AUD Australian Dollar 1,563
2,231

NZD New Zealand Dollar 1,563
2,231

CAD Canadian Dollar 1,563
2,231

GBP Pound Sterling 1,515
2,163

EUR Euro 1,563
2,231

ZAR South African Rand 183
262
BRL Brazilian Real 1,563
2,231

ETIHAD AIRWAYS

CAPTAIN SALARY

Starting salary of AED 33000 or US$ 8965 per month for Captains and an annual salary increment of AED 700 per month.
Flight duty allowance of AED 50 per flying hour.
Meal allowance during layovers as per the following rates:
-Middle east/ GCC/ Sub continent AED 12 per hour
-Asia/ Far East AED 15 per hour
-Africa/ Australasia AED 18 per hour
-Europe/ Americas AED 23 per hour

Benefits

Housing allowances up to AED 120000.
(Or)
Company provided housing depending on availability.
(Or)
The opportunity to take advantage of our innovative "Rent to Buy" house purchase programme.
Education assistance of AED 25000 for primary and AED 35000 for secondary up to 4 children from the ages of 4 up to 19 years old.
Income protection scheme.
42 days annual leave.
Staff Travel benefits.
Accidental and life insurance benefits
End of service benefits.

FO SALARY

Starting salary of AED 24500 or US$ 6655 per month for First officers and an annual salary increment of AED 500 per month.
Flight duty allowance of AED 40 per flying hour.
Meal allowance during layovers as per the following rates:
-Middle East/ GCC/ Sub Continent AED 12 per hour
-Asia/ Far East AED 15 per hour
-Africa/ Australasia AED 18 per hour
-Europe/ Americas AED 23 per hour
Benefits:
Housing allowance up to AED 115000 per year.
(Or)
Company provided housing depending on availability.
(Or)
The opportunity to take advantage of our innovative "Rent to Buy" house purchase programme.
Education allowance of AED 25000 for primary and AED 35000 for secondary up to 4 children from the ages of 4 up to 19 years old.
Income protection scheme. 42 Days annual leave.
Staff travel benefits.
End of service benefits.
Accidental and life insurance benefits.

[noflare]

Yani Yani I think you will find the EY figures have changed recently.

Pay Rise 4% (Big Deal Eh!)
Capt Housing 170k
Education 40K (Secondary)

Anyway whichever you choose its a case of same sh#t different colour:ok:

[Yani Yani]

Yes as of July 1st those figures will be in effect for EY.

But at the same time EK T&C:s are being adjusted. EY received a 4 % raise wihile EK got 9 %. EK:s flight pay was also adjusted upwards while EY pilots remanined unchanged.

EK also has yet to announce their housing allowance raise which they'll do end of this month.

EY:s over nite allowance has also remanined unchanged since its inception while the U$ dollar has been sliding downward in value along with a substantial inflation raging worldwide.

An earlier post eluded to that T&C:s at EK and EY similar but I think you will find the deal in Dubai substantially more rewarding, at least financially...

[CanadaRocks]

Emirate's bonus, 14 weeks.

Etihad's 1 week.

[Jumbo Wambo]

Financially EK takes EY to the cleaners....EY have a lot to learn if they wanna be the Best Airline In The World....

[alghazal]

Learn ...??????
This word doesn't exist in EY language........

[noflare]

Best airline in the world!!.........never !!

[powerstall]

hmm.. is this a rant and rage thread? :}

[fractional]

hmm.. is this a rant and rage thread?Neither powerstall. It's reality. I've got 2 guys working with me who had the experience first hand not second, thrid or fourth.

[howrya]

hi all lots of movement down there at the moment .seems like a lot of changes in t&c ,housing etc .can anybody shed any light as to who would be the best to work for now .cheers:O

[ItsAjob]

Do Emirates now provide housing allowance instead of company provided compounds?

[howrya]

yer its an option ,as does etihad, but it looks like etihad is resticting this to A.D.

[global707]

I got a 4% pay rise? Too f$*#(@g tired to notice.....:zzz:

[jetzdrvr]

EY has A320, and they have very terrible rosters from what I heard from the pilots at EY that are on the A320. EK does not have any A320s their roster on any airplane you get assigned to is better than EY's A320. Can you guarantee that you will not be assigned the A32O at EY?

[Sheikh al Arse]

Come over and check it out for yourself, meet a few guys over beers and see what you think.

EK
PROS:
Better Structured, No Narrowbody, Better standard of Housing, Living in DXB, cheaper to live nowadays, Pick up for work, Housing utilities paid for(capped but nevertheless), westernies environment, big 777 order few days ago
CONS:
Longer time to command, No overtime( as far as i know),

EY
PROS:
Shorter time to command(allegedly)
CONS:
Management, Crap standard of housing(pay your own utilities), Consistency differs from building to building(there is no standard) you can end up in a hovel or something a bit more decent, Rostering(specially A320), Expensive cost of living, No transportation provided for work( you will feel it when driving home after a couple of night flights with minimum rest and no food onboard for the crew), Narrowbody, delayed delivery of A380 and etc

Im sure many guys can add more than this, but im tired after too many night flights and minimum rest. Good luck:mad:

[andrewlim]

What's the average time to upgrade in EY? Heard there's a chance of DEC is that true?

[astronaute]

Upgrade ?:confused: There is a 60 % failure rate ! :mad:

Good luck :ugh::ugh::ugh:

[dustyprops]

You guys never learn! Look at the threads, all of them. There is masses of information regarding both EK and EY and even QR for that matter. Why Why Why can you not be f@cked to just plough through, and all your questions will be answered.

Is there gonna be DEC's soon? Is a question that is asked hundreds of times, and the answer - Who the f@ck knows!

Read the stuff posted here, read the company websites, apply, come for an interview, hell splash out and bring the wife. Wait for a reply, if you are offered the job, have a think........If you decide to take it, you either haven't read all the posts here, or you are friggin nuts!

Simple.

[White Knight]

Ek has about 140 A/C with 198 orders. starting next year they ll start retiring 68 airframes. by the end of 2020 they plan to be a 300 A/C airline.*
with about 2200 pilots (1100-1200 FO's?). all these numbers come from from flight global dated from a few weeks ago.

Just for info there are today 2370 pilots on the EK seniority list and I guess (I hope:\) many more to come...

[Iver]

From what I have read, more pilots are leaving EY for EK than from EK to EY. That should tell you something... If you want to fly narrowbodies, fly for EY. If you desire a confirmed widebody position going forward (and its associated jetlag), fly for EK.

[saviboy]

Iver, no more pilots will be going from ey to ek. Ey pilots are banned to do so.
To add to your comment about flying narrowbodies at ey, I would say that if you want to age a few years in a few months, you ll have a blast on the 320 at ey.

[ekwhistleblower]

EK 2504 pilots on Thursday
9% pay rise is wrong, 14 week bonus was 3 years ago, overtime 78 was 3 years ago. Lots of duff gen, read the sites yourself

[Royalblue]

Is it a big no no for hiring when you have an incident or they actually don't care? Jal wants you to be free of incidents/accidents to even go for an interview. On the other hand Qatar didn't care.

[White Knight]

EK 2504 pilots on Thursday

Duff gen indeed... Like I said; 2370 pilots on the EK seniority list as of right this minute. NOT 2504!!!!

[Dropp the Pilot]

I'd say one should look to join a business, not show business.

Emirates is an airline, QR and EY are vanity projects which are transitioning to kleptocracies a la GF a few years ago (still?).

All but EK will gradually expire as their owners lose interest in watching their waning oil and gas revenues disappear into the polyester pockets of mail-order MBAs from Melbourne.

[ekwhistleblower]

WK, I didn't mention the seniority list. Anyone applying now unless they have a short notice period will have the 3 courses of cadets finishing off in Adelaide ahead of them which are not included on the seniority list, there are actually over 120 out there at the mo. But who cares, upgrade policy will be driven not just by pilot numbers but also aircraft delivery rate post Farnboro which will determine the recruitment rate. Interesting times ahead.