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Jackonicko
19th May 2008, 17:17
I know that a number of regulars here are ex-mil aircrew now working as Police aviation pilots, and I'm especially interested in their views as to what you need to perform that role successfully - both in the pilot and in his aircraft.

Is it necessary for a Police pilot to have a CPL? (In the USA it seems that this is not always a requirement, and that some PDs and Sheriff's units employ police officer PPLs, or even unlicenced pilots trained 'on unit'). Is a CPL (as I suspect) a good indicator that a pilot will have the levels of experience and skillsets that he will need to carry out the role effectively and safely?

However much we admire, respect and appreciate the beat policeman, isn't it the case that it's easier to train a professional pilot to become a professional police aviator than it is to teach a professional policeman to become one?

In the UK, Police air support units seem to favour twin engined types, whereas in the USA, singles seem to dominate - some units even using Robinsons and Enstroms.

Are such machines up to the job, if you need to carry Nitesun, FLIR, loudspeakers and all the normal kit?

Doesn't Police aviation almost inevitable infer low level ops over built up areas? Should single engined helicopters be acceptable for such missions? Don't you need a Class 1 performance helicopter for the role? Don't you need an SPIFR capability?

How essential is a second observer?

Because Public Aircraft are effectively outside the FAA's domain, they don't have to have an FAA certificate of airworthiness (hence the ex-mil Kiowas, H-6s, Hueys and even Sea Kings used by Police Departments and Sheriff's offices in the US).

Is this defensible? I can see that it gives Police aviation units access to cheap aircraft, but is there an adequate guarantee that such aircraft currently meet relevant and applicable maintenance and airworthiness standards? Do such organisations have sufficiently robust airworthiness authorities and procedures in place, and is there sufficient hope that they always will without compulsion/legislation?

2Planks
19th May 2008, 19:25
Jacko

As no one has replied yet here's my 2 penneth. In my experience of these units, generally the helo and pilot are provided by a supplier eg Specialist Aviation Services, the pilot being 'police staff' and from the advert it would appear CPL(H) is the minimum. The observers are policemen who have done time on the beat (ie no direct jobs for retired navs - Shame) as they might have to jump out and lift someone and in these PC days I think a Police Warrant is a minimum!

I am sure someone will be along to answer the difficult q's

2P

SASless
19th May 2008, 19:39
Jacko,

What do you predicate your statement about American Police units using unlicensed pilots?

Name a single agency that does that please.

Chas has been in here making all sorts of similar statements but has never provided one whit of proof to support such statements.

Can you?

Senior Pilot
19th May 2008, 19:47
As SASless says, this is a repeat of another discussion currently running. Let's keep it all in the one thread please, Jackonicko & Chas Edwards :ok:

Up is best
17th Oct 2008, 01:02
Hi all,
I am a newly qualified comercial pilot and have a great interest in police flying.
Just wondered how many non ex militery police pilots are out there in the UK.
Thanks UIB

PlankBlender
17th Oct 2008, 01:43
Mate do you know what the minimum experience is for those jobs in the UK? They're astronomical here in Oz (i.e. in the thousands), and although I'd love a job in the emergency services, it'll take a new CPL at least five years to get to that sort of level of experience :(

What Limits
17th Oct 2008, 04:01
We have been around this hamsterwheel many times. Please use the search function and research previous threads.

You will find all the requirements there or you could search the CAA website for the Police Air Ops Manual which also lays it all out for you.

Quick answer - there are many non military, police and EMS helicopter pilots in UK.