Cost sharing C172

[VH-BCY]

I'm not sure if this post is permitted, but here it goes anyway. I apologise if it is classed as advertising and I'm sure the moderators will delete it if it is. I'm looking for any pilot with a minimum of a PPL to help cost share a C172 from Sydney to Gympie and return. Dates can be any day during the week but prefer ASAP and costs are $80/hour wet. Would suit any pilot wishing to get some command time in a hurry by doing some long navs in 2 days. I expect it to take anywhere between 10-15 hours return weather permitting. PM me if you prefer, cheers.:ok:

[Jabawocky]

If that takes you 15 hours.....ya C172 is powered by a 2 stroke Rotax:uhoh:

Have fun!

J:ok:

PS.....What is at Gympie that interests you:eek:

[Capt Wally]

now now jaba we all know that it's not how long it takes to fly anywhere it's whether you will actually get there with a model engine up front...IE; Rotax:E

CW

[airman1]

Now now CW ................what your meant to say is that it would be safer with two lovely Rotax motors strapped to each wing.:bored:

[hogespa28]

Check your PMs

[Capt Wally]

hmmmmmmm 'airman1' that's 4 in total right? Okay what's the swept prop area of all combined? And the noise of 4X Rotax's, shhhhez talk about noise pollution, fly neighborly? I'd like to see that!:}
Ok back to the subject. I recall in the early days you where not allowed to charge/advertise anything money wise to share the cost of a flight. I guess it's all diff these days.

CW:ok:

[Islander Jock]

4 Rotax engines going flat strap at the same time?:uhoh: The sound would be reminiscent of a SE Asian sweat shop.

As for "advertising". I think even a notice on your local flying club wall to share a flight could well be construed as advertising and therefore in contravention of the regs.

[VH-BCY]

I'm looking to upgrade the old C172 to a twin. The one I have, only does 95ktas on a good day and from YWBN to Gympie and back will be at least 10 hours. Apparently there is a Seneca 1 there for sale. Does any one have any comments on the Seneca 1? I'm on a tight budget(and wife) does not allow me to spend any more than 50K. I do know my way around aircrafts and don't mind getting my hands dirty. The engines are TX, perhaps I can put a pair of Rotax's on each wing? At least the fuel burn will be better than those IO360s. :D

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Never had the pleasure but from what I hear,

Seneca 1 = dog

Dr :8

[Capt Fathom]

So really, what you are asking is for someone to help pay for your trip to Gympie? :uhoh:

[jamsquat]

And at $80 an hr wet for your own plane she must be a thirsty 172!!!!

JS:ok:

[VH-BCY]

Capt Fathom, Yes you are right. But in return, at least the other pilot gets to expand their comfort zone, rather than building hours going in circles for no real reason. At least this way, they may get to meet some interesting people at half the normal rate. :ok:

[Capt Wally]

'BCY' that a big step up (op costs etc) from a C172 going to a 'Sneca 1'. Apart from the lousy C/W limitations (12 kts I think, could be wrong there) & the fact that they are now old as Noah & therefore won't be to swisho at $50K I think what FTDK said was true, somewhat of a dog:bored: They probably won't carry much more than yr old C172 as well. If you really must have a light twin & at the little money yr wife allows you (poor bugga) then think about a PA30/39. They too have their problems (all twins do) but they are less thirsty & go faster than the old PA34 1. Besides the 'twin-can' (PA30/39) look slippery even at their old age, bit like me I guess:E
Just my thoughst that's all am sure some will shoot me down on that one:bored:


CW

[Chief Erwin]

Whats the rego i have worked on most ofv the senecas in that area.
Most of them have a lot of corrosion as they were based at maroochy or caloundra if they are local then i would give em a miss no mater how handy with the srewdriver you are.]

CE

[VH-BCY]

Thanks Capt Wally and Chief Erwin for your comments and yes I will pay particular attention to any corrosion. Speed and load carrying ability is not important as I'm looking to put it online as a MECIR aircraft. I'm in the process of getting my instructors rating and thought it would be a good idea if I got my own MECIR in it and used it online with the flying school. I also have numerous other singles including a nice early model C210 which does better than 150KTAS on less than 50litres/hour. :D

[dhavillandpilot]

Anyone contemplating a sceneca I should be shown the VMCa limits of an aircraft to the final crash.

The second engine is simply a mode of getting you to the accident quicker.

Always remember flying out of the old Ayers Rock strip in a Pa 34 -1, she didn't climb and I missed the old Red Motel by inches. The truck driver on a mission later destroyed what i managed to avoid.

Stick with teh 172, it is cheaper, and the bbottom line will be you will stay married.

[Capt Fathom]

The second engine is simply a mode of getting you to the accident quicker. Insert Any Twin-Piston Type Here _____________

[Cap'n Arrr]

*Struggling to understand exactly what dhavillandpilot is trying to say, apart from importance of doing p-charts before any takeoff*

BCY, I'd agree with Capt Wally, although you obviously still want to look at the seneca. The Twin Com is an awesome aircraft, with tips you have about 440L of fuel, burning 70L/hr. It cruises easily at 160kts, only real unique thing is that, like the seneca I, it can be tricky to land (not hard once you know how), and if you don't have anyone in the back you'll need some ballast.

If you havent looked at it yet, and the seneca doesnt impress, go have a look at one!:ok:

[jamsquat]

Putting any aging aircraft on line in the hope of making money, or even the thing paying for itself, is a recipe for disaster.
A pilot i know of a couple of years ago bought a seneca 1 from QLD with the idea of putting it online, the flying school even thru in an initial twin rating as a sweetener. This machine was <80k with hrs to run.
So far its cost him 30k paint job(inc corrosion rectification), 10k worth of radios and rectifications, every 100hrs at least 2 pots off for low comps or oiling, numerous undercarriage rectifications including hyd powerpack overhaul and actuator replacements. Everything that could be worn on it was and has had to be replaced. I think just paying for the twin rating would have been the smarter option. Maybe just paying for your MECIR would be the smarter option in the long run for you? I don't think a <50k seneca 1 would be a wise investment

JS:ok:

[Capt Wally]

'BCY' I think from all the posts here you get the hint about the PA34 1,
Making money from aviation in general is a very unstable environment & doing it by way of hiring out a PA34 with such poor handling on one donk would have to be the quickest way to loose yr money. Spend it on yr wife, you would be surprised at what 'extras' you get along the way:p

CW, now bungled up in the same boat as PAF on another thread & banned:{:{

[VH-BCY]

CW, I get the hint. It is not about making money, if it was, I wouldn't be in this industry. :ugh: Luckily for me though, my wife actually likes planes as well and is hoping to get her PPL one day. My first ever VH registered aircraft I bought was a DeHavilland Dove. :{ How stupid was I, what was I thinking:sad: Remember, he who dies with the most toys, wins. :D

[Capt Wally]

'BCY' yr first a DH104 hey? now yr making my eyes all well up here, ahhhh those where the days. I loved flying the Dove, (didn't know any better then) the pomms knew how to make a plane fly hands off easily, shame that's where it ended !:bored:I can guarantee you will die one day, you'll probably have the most toys too but to start out yr collection with anything to do with planes then yr 'toys' will be worth zip soon enough!:)
If you have a wife whom likes planes then NEVER let her go buddy :ok:


CW:)

[Ted D Bear]

Seneca I - gutless on two; hopeless on one! If you must fly a Seneca, the II is OK if you don't wanna carry anyone/thing (ZFW will get ya, as will the CofG limitation) but the III (or higher) is better (but still a pig to land). I've flown I's, II's and III's and wouldn't go near a I again!