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MDJETFAN
2nd May 2008, 23:36
I've just received an e-mail from a fellow retired Blackburn Aircraft employee who attended at talk at Brough to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the NA39's first flight on April 30. They had a speaker, a retired AVM, who had served on several Bucc squadrons including 809's last cruise on exchange. He stated that:-

The Buccs that overflew Beirut during the early 1980s actually released guided weapons.

One Bucc flew via Ascencion to the Falklands.

RAF Germany based Buccs made low level penetrations into Eastern Europe during the Cold War.

Can anyone add any details to these comments please?

FJJP
3rd May 2008, 07:13
Sounds to me that someone has been gilding the lily...

Timelord
3rd May 2008, 12:07
False.

True.

Possibly, but only accidentally when lost.

Solid Rust Twotter
3rd May 2008, 12:16
Buccs were the mainstay of the airborne attack on Cassinga, the anniversary of which is tomorrow IINM.

adrian mole
3rd May 2008, 14:37
SRT - Thanks for the steer. Just read the whole Operational story and very impressive too.

The Battle of Cassinga (4 May 1978) was a controversial[3] South African airborne attack on a South West Africa People's Organization (SWAPO) base located at 15°7′3.72″S 16°5′11.04″E / -15.1177, 16.0864 (SWAPO Base at Cassinga)Coordinates: 15°7′3.72″S 16°5′11.04″E / -15.1177, 16.0864 (SWAPO Base at Cassinga) at the former town of Cassinga, Angola. Conducted as one of the three major actions of Operation Reindeer, it was the South African Army’s first major air assault.

The Attack

[edit] 04h00 - 09h00
The first to move on the morning of the attack were the paratroopers of the Composite Parachute Battalion, who got up at 04h00 and began fitting their weapons, equipment and parachutes.

At 05h19, the four Buccaneers bombers took off from AFB Waterkloof, followed at 05h43 by the faster Canberra. The heavily-laden 'Bucs' could fly only at medium altitude, so their true airspeed (TAS) was considerably lower than that of the 'Cans', flying over 10,000 feet higher. One of the Buccaneers went to an air force base nearer to the border in order to refuel and act as a Close Air Support (CAS) aircraft, while the fifth aircraft of the Buccaneer strike force was delayed due to a brake problem, leaving four Buccaneers available for the initial strike.

At 06h00 the eight transport aircraft carrying the paratroopers became airborne. Two of the Transall C-160s, carrying the reserve company of 116 paratroopers, peeled off and entered a holding pattern just south of the border so as to be available to drop reinforcements during the battle. The remaining six transports continued on towards a holding point some miles east of Cassinga.

At about 06h30, the ELINT/EW Douglas DC-4 became airborne and settled into a holding pattern just south of the border. At the same time, a flight of two Puma helicopters, under the command of Major John Church, took off from 'a jungle night-stop' to fly to a clearing 22 km east of Cassinga in order to set up a Helicopter Administration Area (HAA), where the helicopters used in the operation could refuel. On board the two helicopters were Commandant James Kriel, the commander of the South African Air Force's Mobile Air Operations Team (MAOT) and his signaller, as well as Major James Hills, commander of Bravo Company, 1 Parachute Battalion, along with one ten-man section from the two Hawk Groups he would be using to protect the HAA. Also in the two helicopters were six 200-litre drums of helicopter fuel, and, to the consternation of Hills, the Chief of the South African Army, Lieutenant-General Constand Viljoen.

The MAOT set up their radios and navigational beacons at the HAA, by now code-named Whisky-Three, and signalled the all-clear for the rest of the force, consisting of the rest of the Hawk Group protection element (31 paratroopers), six medical personnel, two more members of the MAOT and eighty-six 200-litre drums of helicopter fuel, all onboard a fleet of five Super Frelon and ten Puma helicopters. The HAA was then completed, and the 17 helicopters refuelled and waited for the call to extract the paratroopers after the completion of the attack.

Also at around 07h00 the solitary Cessna C-185 took off and began flying towards Cassinga. Its role in the operation was to be an airborne observation post, directing the bombers into the target and giving the all-clear for the paratrooper drop, as well as being a radio-relay aircraft (known as "Telstar duty" in the SAAF). It would later be forced to withdraw due to sustained anti-aircraft fire. At around 07h50 two Mirage III fighter aircraft took off, heading straight for Cassinga. There was initially no role for air superiority fighters in the plan, but Staff Officer (Fighters) was not to be denied.

The defence-suppression bombing attack by the Canberras was two minutes late, occurring at 08h02 instead of 08h00 as originally planned, due to the lead navigator failing to maintain effective timing-adjustment during the 200nm low-level approach phase. This made no difference to the intended effect. As the bombing had been timed to coincide with SWAPO's daily roll-call on the parade ground, most of the guerrillas in the camp were standing out in the open when the Canberras initiated their low-level fragmentation bomb attack from the north. Each of the four Canberras - flying in loose 'line abreast' at 500 feet and 300 knots (an airshow display profile) - dropped 300 "Alpha" anti-personnel bombs, which were small 10 kg finless fragmentation bombs like '10-Pin Bowling' balls, designed to bounce up to 10 m into the air before detonating. A zone of some 800 metres by 500 metres was carpeted, each aircraft having its own 'bomb line'. These weapons sowed havoc amongst the assembled guerrillas in the open, destroying vehicles, POL ("Petroleum Oil Lubricants", military acronym for flammable liquids) storage tanks and soft buildings.

Immediately after the Canberras came the Buccaneers, from the west, who flew their dive-bombing runs along a generally east-west axis. Photography from one 'Buc' cockpit, showing the graphic lines of the 'Alpha' bomb strikes, was released to the SA press the following day. Of the total of thirty-two 1000 lb (450 kg) bombs dropped by the four Buccaneers on the identified 'hard points', 24 scored direct hits, causing an immense amount of damage. Finally, the two Mirage IIIs conducted a strafing run on the base, using their 30 mm high explosive cannon rounds. All the aircraft except for the solitary Buccaneer on CAS duty then flew back to air bases in South West Africa (Namibia) to refuel and re-arm to cockpit readiness 'in case of need' - the Mirages to Ondangwa air force base, the Canberras, Buccaneers and C-130/C-160s to Grootfontein air force base, where their support teams and material had been ferried up from Pretoria during the morning. The Canberras and Buccaneers were used for a later strike on the Chetequera complex.

After the attack aircraft had finished their bombing runs the six transports, which had been holding in wait to the east, commenced their formation run towards Cassinga at an altitude of 200 feet (60 m). Shortly before reaching the base, the six aircraft climbed to 600 feet, the drop height, and lined up for the drop. However, required visual 'tracking and distance' co-ordination markers were obscured by smoke from the bombing run, the drop zone (DZ) box scaling and drop point distances were incorrect - due to the reconnaissance scaling errors - and the drop was a shambles with nearly all the paratroopers being dropped off-target, some on the West side of the river and some into tall maize where they had problems linking up. The resultant confusion caused numerous delays, ruining the schedule of the 'drop-to-contact' plan, and much of the advantage of surprise. The disastrous drop also meant that it would be nearly an hour before C-Company was able to move into position on the eastern side of the camp and seal off the escape routes and as a result a number of top PLAN commanders, including Dimo Amaambo and Greenwell Matongo (two principle targets of the attack) escaped (with Amaambo later becoming the first head of the Namibian Defence Force in 1990 [7]).

The two independent rifle platoons, No.9 and No.11, were dropped quite accurately to the north. They immediately went into action, moving through a tented camp to the north-west of Cassinga, beyond the bombed areas. Resistance was fierce but short-lived, and a total of 54 bodies were counted by the platoons before they took up their position along the northern end of the base to seal off that escape route.

Of the four main paratrooper companies, D-Company had experienced the most accurate drop, though they were still 500 m from their intended drop zone. Regrouping quickly, they moved to attack structures which had been identified in the aerial reconnaissance photos as engineering buildings. However, during the assault on these buildings several of them exploded, perhaps due to ammunition stores within, injuring several paratroopers. There was also a brief blue-on-blue engagement as D-Company paratroopers were mistakenly fired upon by their fellow soldiers from B-Company, which by then had reached the base, but there were no casualties. After completing the assault of the engineer complex, D-Company moved south to set up a stop-line and prevent any guerrillas from escaping via that route. It also dispatched the anti-tank platoon to lay a tank ambush on the road to Techamutete.


[edit] 09h00 - 12h00
By 09h00, A and B Companies had regrouped and were ready to commence the main assault on Cassinga. Instead of attacking eastwards as initially planned, the two companies attacked the base in a northerly direction. Initially, they encountered very little resistance, though this changed dramatically once the paratroopers neared the centre of the base. Heavy sniper fire was directed at the paratroopers from a number of trees inside the base, they were subjected to B-10 recoilless rifle fire, and some SWAPO guerrillas had regrouped, using houses as cover from which to fire at the paratroopers, critically wounding two paratroopers.

However, the paratroopers faced their greatest challenge when they were fired upon by a number of ZPU-4 14.5 mm anti-aircraft guns used in the ground role. This brought both companies to a complete halt, as they were unable to move under the accurate, and close, fire of the guns, and the Buccaneer on CAS duty could not conduct a strike on the guns for fear of hitting the paratroopers close by.

In the end, Colonel Breytenbach ordered the commander of D-Company to take some men and work up towards the guns by attacking the trenches to the west of Cassinga. He also ordered the mortar platoon to begin attacking the guns.

Upon entering the trenches, the men from D-Company were surprised to find a number of civilians, being used as human shields by the guerrillas hiding inside. The guerrillas opened fire on the paratroopers, leading the paratroopers to enter what they described later as a mode of "kill or be killed", in which preventing the deaths of the civilians in the trenches was impossible. Though a number of civilians were killed in those trenches, as the paratroopers moved forward they began to encounter less and less civilians until nearer the guns all those in the trenches, male and female, were wearing SWAPO's Cuban-style uniforms. In the meantime, 9 Platoon had entered the trenches from the north, though were making slow progress as they came under the attention of the gunners.

It was during this period that the paratroopers gained a respect for the bravery of the SWAPO gunners that would last them a lifetime. Each time the crew of one of the guns was wiped out by mortar or machine-gun fire from the paratroopers, those in the nearby trenches would scramble up to replace them, continuously firing the anti-aircraft guns. Finally, after a combination of the attack through the trenches and the mortar fire, the guns were silenced. The toll was a terrible one; there were at least 95 SWAPO guerrillas dead inside the trenches and around the guns, and two paratroopers had been killed.

After the fall of the guns, all major resistance in Cassinga ended. The odd snipers and corners of hopeless resistance were all that remained, and the mopping up process was soon finished. The paratroopers immediately set up the battalion headquarters and Regimental Aid-Post (RAP) next to the SWAPO hospital, and began treating the worst of the injured. Overall, three paratroopers had been killed, and eleven wounded, two of them critically. In addition, a fourth paratrooper was found to be missing, presumed killed. It was later assumed that he had drowned after being dropped in the river during the parachute jump, or that his parachute had malfunctioned as he was seen exiting the aircraft.[8]

By now the attack was two hours behind schedule, with the first helicopter extractions having been planned for 10h00.


[edit] 12h00 - 15h00
Brigadier Du Plessis at this time informed Colonel Jan Breytenbach of a radio interception, indicating that the Cuban force at Techamutete was deploying. Brigadier Du Plessis insisted on extracting all the troops immediately, however Colonel Breytenbach wanted to secure the LZ first. A compromise was agreed whereby half the paratroopers would move to the LZ where 12 Puma helicopters would extract them, while the remainder would continue clearing operations, as well as to collect any and all documents of intelligence value.

At around 13h00, Colonel Jan Breytenbach was informed by one of the Buccaneers on CAS duty that the Cuban mechanised battalion was moving up the road from Techamutete to Cassinga.

The Buccaneer had spotted an advancing column of around 30 assorted AFVs, APCs and other vehicles advancing slowly up the road from Techamutete. It immediately opened fire on the column, destroying three BTR-152 armoured personnel carriers in the process, but then had to return to Grootfontein air force base to re-arm and refuel, leaving about 200 of the remaining paratroopers temporarily unprotected. All that stood between them and the advancing armoured column were the 22 men of the anti-tank platoon, armed only with 10 RPG-7 rocket launchers and five anti-tank mines which they had planted in the road.

At this time however, there was a serious breakdown in command and control, and a number of fundamental errors were made. The shuttle of helicopters to and from Whisky-Three, the HAA, as well as the order in which paratroopers were embarked, was improvised and initially uncoordinated and disorganised. It wasn't made initially clear to the commander of the helicopter extraction force quite what the problem - and the sudden urgency - was. Furthermore two engineers, whose role it was to destroy enemy equipment, departed in the first wave with all the demolition fuses before all the equipment had been disabled.

Meanwhile, apparently under the false impression from the helicopter departures that the paratroopers had all extracted, the Cuban column advanced directly into the ambush that the paratroopers had been sent for them. The lead T-34 tank was destroyed by one of the anti-tank mines, while the paratroopers destroyed four of the BTR-152s using their RPG-7s. They also killed approximately 40 of the Cuban troops before making their retreat back along the road towards the Helicopter Landing Zone (HLZ) east of Cassinga where Breytenbach was organising the remaining paratroopers for final extraction. In the face of the oncoming armoured column, Breytenbach ordered a thin defensive line, but realised the lightly-armed paratroopers stood little chance against the armoured vehicles and prepared to fall-back into the bush to an emergency LZ while calling urgently for air support.

The apparent success of the mission now looked like turning into a disaster for the SA troops, with the prospect of being over-run by armoured forces, 150 miles (240 km) into enemy territory. General Viljoen, who until this time had been wearing his rank and beret, removed and hid them.[2]

At 14h20, when the Cuban AFVs were already in sight of the beleaguered paratroopers, a Buccaneer and two Mirage IIIs suddenly appeared ahead, eliciting a ragged cheer from the paratroopers. An experienced Forward Air Controller (FAC) amongst the paratroopers then began to direct the three aircraft in strikes against the advancing Cuban armour. The Mirage IIIs, with their 30 mm cannons, destroyed 10 BTR-152s before running low on fuel and returning to Ondangwa air force base. The Mirages' cannons were unable to destroy any tanks, but the sole Buccaneer destroyed at least two tanks, an anti-aircraft position and a number of other vehicles with its 68 mm SNEB air-to-ground rockets. The rockets had been omitted from the original Operation Order, but the Buccaneer Squadron Commander had fortuitously included them in the ordnance that was ferried to the Grootfontein forward air force base by C-130 Hercules, with his ground crews and maintenance spares. The Buccaneer pilot was being fired on continually by a towed 14.5mm anti-aircraft gun, which he had to make two passes at before he was able to destroy it with rockets.

The Buccaneer ran out of ammunition at this point, but this coincided with the arrival of the 17 helicopters to extract the remaining paratroopers in the second wave. The helicopters' arrival betrayed the position of the LZ to the remaining Cuban forces, who began to advance on the area. While unable to see the armoured vehicles, the paratroopers could hear their engines and gunfire, and could see trees being flattened in their path barely 200 metres away. In a desperate attempt to prevent the Cuban tanks from firing at the vulnerable helicopters and the assembling SA troops waiting to be picked up, the Buccaneer pilot dived his aircraft dangerously low, nearly hitting trees as he flew close over the top of the tanks, disorienting the crews and forcing them to break off their developing attack on the parabats' positions.

Due to the disorganisation with the first wave of helicopters, there was nearly not enough space for all the remaining paratroopers and prisoners on the second wave. In the ensuing panic to scramble aboard the helicopters, 40 SWAPO prisoners, meant to have been taken back to South West Africa for interrogation, had to be set free and left behind. Some excess equipment and ammunition was also dumped from the overloaded helicopters. A final barrage of fire from the paratroopers stalled the closing Cuban amour just sufficiently long enough to complete the extraction of the assembled paratroops.

However ten minutes after taking off, two of the Puma helicopters were directed to return to Cassinga, as it was feared that some of the paratroopers might have been left behind. They spotted a group a people huddled together, but closer inspection revealed that they were the prisoners who had been left behind. The helicopters flew a total of four low passes looking for paratroopers, when one of the helicopter pilots spotted a Cuban tank appearing from the bushes. He warned the other Puma pilot, who was able to bank just in time so that the tank round missed the aircraft. No paratroopers were found and the two Pumas returned to the HAA. The dismantling of the HAA continued throughout the rest of the day.


[edit] 15h00 - 18h00
At 15h00, one of the Mirage IIIs returned to Cassinga, and once again straffed the Cuban vehicles that were still on the road, setting at least one of them alight. It was replaced at 15h30 by another aircraft and a Buccaneer which proceeded to destroy more of the vehicles and a building. About a kilometer south of Cassinga, the Buccaneer attacked another column of vehicles, coming under heavy anti-aircraft fire in the process.

Another Buccaneer arriving at 16h45 surprised some Cubans moving through the ruins, destroying a T-34 tank and some anti-aircraft guns in the process, while further Mirage and Buccaneer strikes at 17h10 and 18h35 destroyed another tank and other equipment.

The result was that by nightfall nearly the entire Cuban battalion had been destroyed, killing around 150 Cuban soldiers, accounting for that country's single biggest casualty rate during its military involvement in Angola[1].

A complete Angolan tank brigade relief force arriving at dusk, was too late to have any impact, and found only scenes of destruction at what had once been Cassinga.


[edit] Aftermath
In purely military terms, the attack on Cassinga was a complete success for the South African forces, even though disaster was so closely averted by the intervention of the SAAF. Despite not capturing Dimo Amaambo and other senior leaders, the destruction of the base and capture of so much significant documentation set SWAPO's insurgency back by several months. The death toll of around 600 guerrillas meant that 1/3 of SWAPO's southern-Angolan force had been wiped out, including a number of senior field commanders. On the SADF side, the casualties were low for such an attack, an important factor in South Africa where the public was intolerant of high casualty rates. The existing statistics of combat fatalities in airborne assaults - 'drops-to-contact' - suggested losses of 30% and upwards were to be expected.[citation needed] Nor did previous experience offer much comfort to the Parabats' commander when he was advised that the SA Air Force would conduct defence suppression strikes in support of his troops. In the event, however, a considerable and unanticipated military professionalism was displayed - and it carried the day.

In terms of lessons learned, it was realised after the battle that an improved command and control structure was needed for the South African Army's airborne units. To this end, 1, 2 and 3 Parachute Battalions were placed under the command of the newly-created 44 Parachute Brigade, therefore centralising command and control and logistics for the Army's airborne forces. The South African Defence Force also revamped the way it dealt with the media, though it was never able to erase the advantage in the propaganda arena that SWAPO enjoyed with its Soviet support.

However, it is for the tactics used that the attack is admired most in military circles: The SA airborne troops fought well, and were ably and creatively supported by the Air Force strike squadrons, who were able to delay the unexpectedly fast Cuban response long enough to allow a safe extraction. It was noted by analysts[attribution needed] that the techniques and standards employed by the Canberras and Buccaneers were largely those of RAFG, and well up to NATO bombing competition standards. It should also be noted that the destroyed Cuban armoured battalion also performed above expectations. That the victory was so comprehensive is another factor that is often noted, and veterans of the various South African parachute battalions still celebrate Cassinga Day in remembrance both of the extent of the victory and of those who died that day.

According to General Constand Viljoen, Cassinga set the strategy for the SADF for the next ten years, i.e. that of launching pre-emptive strikes at SWAPO inside Angola, even though subsequent actions would be armoured rather than air assaults.[2]

SWAPO launched a retaliatory bombardment from Zambia of Katima Mulilo in the Caprivi Strip on 23 August 1978, during which 10 soldiers were killed and 10 injured as a result of a direct hit on their barracks by an 82mm mortar bomb.[2] 16 guerrillas were killed in a follow-up operation 250 km into Zambia.

Gainesy
3rd May 2008, 15:37
to the consternation of Hills, the Chief of the South African Army, Lieutenant-General Constand Viljoen.


Trying to keep Speedy Viljoen out of a fight would be akin to pushing water uphill with a sharp stick.:)

CAEBr
3rd May 2008, 18:58
I'm afraid your colleague must have misheard. I was at the talk and the points weren't made quite like that. (1 out of 3 :()

The Buccs that overflew Beirut were not claimed to have released Guided Weapons. It was however stated that in GW1 they did drop and designate their own LGB's after dealing with those from the Tonkas.
Yes, he did fly a Bucc to the Falklands via Ascension, a 10 hour trip from Lossie to Ascension, with a copy of the applicable log book entry shown.
The aircraft wasn't claimed to have made incursions into Eastern Europe, although noting Timelord's point he did concede that the nav kit didn't give much of a clue as to where you actually were.

cargosales
5th May 2008, 00:45
The Buccs that overflew Beirut during the early 1980s actually released guided weapons.



As CAEBr has said, this is almost certainly incorrect. I was at a certain base at the time (with nightly refuelling courtesy of Chris Kebab!) and saw an awful lot of the raw footage from their flights over Beirut. However none showed the release of any weapons whatsoever.

In fact what I remember most vividly was the various backseaters not so politely 'advising' the drivers to be mindful of the various masts and towers in and around the city. And of the drivers then dutifully going around said obstacles ;)

The 'Banana Jet' - a fantastic aeroplane :ok:

Al R
5th May 2008, 08:28
Cargo, we may have been there at the same time. I remember seeing the same from them in Ground Ops.

(the footage, not the low flying)

Chris had the best Shish as I recall, the Halloumi wasn't worth a damn mind. You had to go to The Swan for that.

engineer(retard)
5th May 2008, 09:04
I was there with the ground crew and do not recall any weapons having been misplaced. There were a few practices right at the beginning where weapons were dropped on splash targets. Perhaps that is the source of confusion.

regards

retard

BEagle
5th May 2008, 10:01
Agree with comments re. Op Pulsator - both Buccaneer-wise and halloumi-wise!

Sadly the Swan is, I hear, now closed. Always had the most authentic kebabs!

Dan Gerous
5th May 2008, 15:25
The Bucc sortie to the Falklands was a 2 shipper, I saw them land. I think one went tits up on arrival, and they didn't seem to do much flying as I recall.
A quick check of the slide collection reveals they were XV353 and XV868

Solid Rust Twotter
5th May 2008, 16:03
AFAIK Cassinga was also the first blooding of the Bucc. Had never been used in anger before that.

brickhistory
5th May 2008, 16:05
S********, as mentioned, also flew an operational squadron pilot. He flew in one of the most famous Buccaneer ops, namely Operation PULSATOR in 1983. In that year, various countries had set up military enclaves in the civil war torn city of Beirut, Lebanon. The United States received the most publicity since it was the U.S. Marine Corps who occupied part of Beirut Airport, later being subjected to a suicide bombing with a loss of more than 200 Marines. Other countries, however, including the UK, had troops in Beirut. S********, by now assigned back to No. 208 Squadron at RAF Lossiemouth, recalls receiving hurried instructions to be part of a Bucc strike force that was to fly from the UK to a base on Cyprus, to be closer to Beirut.

"We took six jets with crews from both 12 and 208 Squadrons. We left on a Friday. On Sunday, we received an Air Tasking Message that essentially told us to 'Beat the s*** out of the city' as a show of force for anyone planning to attack our Army contingent in the city.

"Although the message and the mission was supposed to be classified, the media was alerted to be at the British Embassy in Beirut the following day at 0900 and 1100 local time.

"The first two aircraft went off and flew a route inbound from the Mediterranean, over the Beirut Airport, over the British HQ, then the Russian Embassy, turned around, went back over the American Embassy, finally back over the airport and back out to sea.

"When if came our turn, the detachment commander dictated us to fly the same route, speeds, altitudes, etc. Now that didn't make a lot of sense to us tactically since if there was anyone up to any mischief waiting for us, they would already be alert and looking for us to do just what the previous flight had done.

"But we agreed with the boss albeit reluctantly.

"We took our 2-ship, armed with a single each AIM-9B, escorted by two F-4s, unarmed due to political restrictions, and flew over the city.

"Perhaps through the city might be a better description. Although we flew the same route, we flew at 50 feet at 550 knots. I was in the number two position when we crossed the airport. My nav said later that he was looking level at the driver of a dump truck on the airport. We flew below a U.S. Navy helicopter, and below the level of many of Beirut's buildings."

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No drops of any kind mentioned from one who flew it.

(excerpted from an article I wrote for a US aviation magazine. My thanks and admiration for S******** for his time and memories.)

Saintsman
5th May 2008, 18:26
A bit of thread creep, but I remember that there was an IFF issue during Beirut and the Yanks nearly going for an British aircraft because it couldn't identify it on radar.

Some of the aircrew might remember a sound activated test set with flashing lights that was supposed to show that the IFF was working before they set off. I don't think it ever worked...

LOMCEVAK
5th May 2008, 19:28
On Op Pulsator I can confirm that no bombs were dropped in anger. However, 2 x 1000 lb Paveway II bombs were dropped on a trial to validate a 40 degree self designation profile using Pave Spike that was developed to take out artillery guns high in the mountains around the city. The trial was run by CTTO, who did not think it would work; the bet was a bottle of champagne for each bomb that hit the target. 6 bombs were allocated and 2 raft targets built by workshops at Akrotiri (about 20 ft x 20 ft if I recall correctly). Each of the first 2 bombs that were dropped hit its respective raft target, and both targets instantly sank. The result? 2 bottles of champagne to us, an agreement that the profile worked, and "No, you can't have 4 more targets and no, you can't drop the other bombs!" I will not say precisely where the targets were positioned when the bombs were dropped other than it was out to sea, and no-one was hurt or even complained.

Saintsman, we did not have those boxes on Pulsator and there was the odd VID by F-14s! Good ROE.

Dr Jekyll
5th May 2008, 19:38
We took our 2-ship, armed with a single each AIM-9B, escorted by two F-4s, unarmed due to political restrictions, and flew over the city.

Why the escorts if unarmed? Also, why the AIM-9B?

brickhistory
5th May 2008, 20:02
The Bucc gent relayed that the F-4s were prohibited from carrying offensive weapons in their ROE, the Buccs were permitted defensive ones only.

Thus, the odd pairing of jets/weapons.

As far as the 'B' version, I'll leave that to someone more qualified to speak (oh, if I would just use that in most of my life............).

Dr Jekyll
5th May 2008, 20:11
What I meant was, who/what were the AIM 9s supposed to be defence against?

LOMCEVAK
5th May 2008, 20:18
The AIM 9B was the only version in the Buccaneer's inventory at the start of Pulsator. We received AIM 9Ls sometime towards the end of 1983 I think (after the cease fire), at the same time as ALE 40 chaff/flare dispensers. Why were they carried? Because we had them and we could - there was always a potential air threat from countries sympathetic with some of the factions within Beirut.

microlight AV8R
5th May 2008, 21:23
I recall gleefully watching them run through Beirut, a lovely demo of the big banana jet in its natural element. I believe the runs were on 11 September 1983 but have tried and failed to find any video on the internet. Anyone know where it might be found / other trhan from BBC/ITN.

MDJETFAN
6th May 2008, 00:20
Many thanks for the replies re Buccaneer operations; much appreciated.

One last question on the Buccs that went to the Falklands; when was this please?

Ogre
6th May 2008, 02:59
Dan Gerous

XV868 is currently guarding the end of the runway at BAE System Brough if memory serves. I used to servce that jet on 208 in the mid 80's, so it was a bit of a shock when I ended up walking past it on the way to work every morning!

Ogre

NURSE
6th May 2008, 03:50
Which Buccs were on Op Pulsator?

Lancman
7th May 2008, 07:10
I was picking up bits of broken glasses after a very good party the night before in a flat overlooking the sea in Beirut, watched by a cat dozing in the sunshine, when the Buccaneers came in rather lower than our balcony. I gashed my finger badly and the cat shat itself. Do either of us qualify for a war injuries pension?