OzJet Takeover

[blondebombshells]

There are Rumours around that OZjet has a new owner, anyone got some news?

That should make the good guys a gals in OZjet happy. :ok:

[lucky101]

Heavylift i believe...

[beaver_rotate]

APNG actually.

[Skystar320]

dont believe these rumours yet!

[Buster Hyman]

Red Bull again????:rolleyes:

[Heavy Cargo]

HeavyLift Cargo Airline Pty Ltd Australias Largest International cargo airline has purchased OZJet at 5pm Friday afternoon in an all cash transaction. This takes the combined fleet to ten aircraft.
I believe SKY AIR WORLD have been bagging OZ Jet. The new owner said they will beat any SAW charter rate and run them off the Honiara route with SOL AIR ?

The crews that left OZ for SAW might want to have a long hard think ?

THE HUNTED BECAME THE HUNTER ?????????????????????????? :cool:

[Rudder]

This will be interesting. A flag of convenience operator now having to deal with CASA and CASA having to deal with them. While they will probably keep the Ozjet entity it won't stop CASA being able to now influence the other Heavylift Ops.

I'm interested to see if CASA develop some spine. How you have a permanently based foreign operator in Australia has me beat. Makes a laughing stock of having Australian standards and Regulations.

Unless they are going to remove the B737 off the Australian register and operate them only internationally the current arrangement for Heavylift won't work.

Hope it all works out for the Ozjet boys and girls, however if it doesn't, I probably haven't seen a better time for opportunities for jobs. Good luck! Can't help but feel it may be needed.

[bushy]

More rubbery rules?

[Heavy Cargo]

Rudder,

I checked the Australian DOT/IASC data and HeavyLift is designated by Australia as scheduled and charter all cargo Australian Airline.
USA, China, Europe, PNG,Solomons,Nauru, New Zealand,Vanuatu etc.

I hear two B757Fs or QCs for domestic. That will please the OZ B737/2 crews.

[Wod]

So do heavylift simply own Ozjet, and the operation rumbles on, or do parts of Ozjet flying, like NLK, come into play.

I keep hearing Our Airline linked to NLK.

Mind you, that may be the cargo cult members in the Norfolk Island Administration.

[Heavy Cargo]

Nick LEACH funded cash to HeavyLift Cargo Airlines to buy OZ Jet the entire company , routes, AOC, aircraft , paid the debt and all will truck on . The HeavyLift guys will help turn the ship ( OZ Jet ) around. There maybe new equipment like QCs which will help lower costs for both operators. HVY can now add a couple of B757QC or B737-300 QCs to fly domestic so the cargo guys ( HeavyLift ) can fly domestic freight when the pax guys ( OZ Jet ) are sleeping at night. The HVY International and outsized operation will remain. There is a long term deal with Solomons and pax traffic rights coming for Noumea and PNG all current HeavyLift ports.
All ten aircraft 6 HVY and 4 OZ are owned nil debt or loans beats a leased operator all day long.
HVY have extensive ground equipment and engineering and many new jobs will be advertised next Friday including Engineers and Engineering managers, tech crew B737 and B727, cabin crew , station managers etc.

HVY have plenty ( $$$ ) and play hardball for keeps, so the carriers and people whom spoke ill about OZ Jet prior to the purchase may want to pull their heads in going forward now it has a big brother.

Ill be back in the B727-200F tomorrow, until then gear up..

:ok:

[nobhead]

Do the OZ jet guys/girls who want to remain in PER get to do so or do they do they have to move east?
I guess time will tell.

[Skystar320]

Hi Heavy,

I have been watching your posts over the last couple of days and today I decide to bit.....

You mention that Heavy lift has brought out Ozjet - no objections there, HL [heavy lift] already have a nice operation out of Australia abeit on foreign registrations.... so it seems we may again see more 727's on the Australia register, no objections here :ok:

You mention that would be some Boeing 757-200QC operations, but where are they getting them from?????

FED - EX / UPS are snapping up all 757-200QC / PF aircraft on the market and the same way for pax aircraft there is absolute no availablility..... [abeit wet lease / acmi] [for those who see 'sale' these aircraft need major funds to be spent on the aircraft]

You also mention that they would obtain B737-300QC's, nice but to replace four 732's with 733QC you would be looking at US$20million a piece per aircraft!!!!!

Don't forget HL have advertised that they would be getting a DC-10 / 747 for some years now.........

I just wish HL well [if the heavylift has actually brought out Ozjet, no press release has been issued]

[Heavy Cargo]

Nobhead,

Yeh spoke with him and crews will do as they wish same as we do at HeavyLift. His wife us to fly with some of the OZ Girls in BNE/PER when they were at Alitalia. I think the girls are sorting over lunch ?

[Heavy Cargo]

SKYSTAR 320,

The DC10s are N323FE and N326FE parked up in Phoenix. I think they were bought for USD 6.0M for both and when fuel went up sold engines for 7.0M ??? so technicaly they had them but did not operate and made some money if that helps ?
I understand OZ are waiting for Stoddart tomorrow in Mel for the press.Staff memo went out ?

There will be no more B727s in either fleet OZ/HN as the 727 burns to much. I think there is a lot of DELTA/NORTHWEST and US Air 757s coming up which can be converted and his mate owns a bunch. The -300QC or -400 pax are being talked about for OZ. The OZ airplanes will probably get washed , tidied up next week. He hates dirty airplanes ?
HVY have 2 x 727-100s which have same pallet space as -300QC but 727/1 lifts more weight 21,000kgs ?

:ok:

[Skystar320]

Sorry to spoil the fun:

N326FE & N326FE are both DC-10-40 aircraft and are currently in active service with Fed-ex

I think there is a lot of DELTA/NORTHWEST and US Air 757s coming up which can be converted and his mate owns a bunch

Nope - Delta had a couple up for sale with leaseback and two for sale [hightimed and expensive to run model's - required a major D-Check] As far as I know all the major US carriers are keeping the 757's as they fit nicely into the fleet

Boeing 737-400's eh? Wow - once again where you getting those from? Currently only really two for sale, though they went under deposit lastweek........

Sounds all too complicated if you can spill the beans on the operations and your only a 727 pilot....

[Heavy Cargo]

Skystar DC10-30s CF6 Google the regos in United colours were lease to FX and you will see the pictures of them parked up in Phoenix. The world is a big place with plenty of planes ?
No just a pilot check and training too ?????????

Seems you r getting angry your not from SAW are you ?:ugh:

[Skystar320]

Nah, sorry aint getting angry [apologise if its coming across that way] and nope, got nothing to do with SAW wouldnt touch with a 6ft barge pole

[wessex19]

Googled N326FE

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1318/653083483_ea8d0a1d9e_b.jpg

[Howard Hughes]

Ahhh, beauty personified...:p

Now that's an aeroplane, or airplane as the cousins say!:ok:

[Mr. Hat]

brand new, just off the factory floor

[Rudder]

Heavy,

The IASC/DOTR allocation of capacity or charter approvals is a completely seperate issue to having an Australian AOC which HeavyLift don't have. The allocation of rights is about Australian Control and from what I know the Leachs' are at least Australian.

As I have said it will now be interesting to see how this is handled from both CASA's and HeavyLifts point of view. There will be some fun and games (and Fireworks) if past experience is anything to go by.

In regards some of your other comments I assume you are espousing HeavyLifts opinion as to how they will treat the competition. While I can understand the seige mentality it's not a good look and does not bode well for the future. I don't know any of the HeavyLift people but do know quite a few Ozjet people who are quality individuals and can only think that you could get crushed in the rush as they get out of there.

However like I have said. Good luck to the Ozjet boys and girls. I hope it works out for everyone.

[Buster Hyman]

Personally, I'm an L1011 man myself Howard, but I can appreciate that the finer points of the three holers are lost on some.....:hmm:


;)

[Skystar320]

I agree those aircraft are in Phoenix but my records [abeit I can be wrong] state's that these aircraft are owned by FED-EX not heavylift

[Skystar320]

I feel special, I have an invisable ink pen, bwhahahahaha

[sayallafter]

Hey Skystar,

I thought you had suffered from laryngitis, keep feeling special with that pen of yours!!.


Back to subject, so does Oz still have the Norfolk contract or did it get sold to ON prior to the HVY buyout. What about the Solair connection, did that survive.

Hear that another Captain has left. Makes 5 in the last few months. Must get expensive maintain the Flight Ops if current 73-2 guys are leaving.

Anyway all the best to those hanging in, hope it works for you guys.

[frozen man]

As they say happiness is the front LH seat of an L1011:O

[Skystar320]

Back to subject, so does Oz still have the Norfolk contract or did it get sold to ON prior to the HVY buyout. What about the Solair connection, did that survive.



The sale include's everything + all the contracts

[Timber]

So far this is a single source rumour....., or has anybody detected some form of confirmation?? Press release?? :confused:

[olderairhead]

Skystar, wrong. Norfolk went to ON. Oz continues to operate it on ON's behalf.

[sayallafter]

Timber,

There might not be any press releases out there, but it is a total given that HVY now own OZ.

Skystar 320,

current contracts may be one thing but is NLK still a current contract. I heard that Our Airline picked that one up and wet leased it back to OZ, for the short term anyway (as short term as aviation is!!!!).

[Skystar320]

Skystar, wrong. Norfolk went to ON. Oz continues to operate it on ON's behalf.

Nope, your wrong!!!!!!!!!! ;););););)

[Capt Coco]

Skystar,
Nope from what I've heard (rgds NLK ops) NOPE your wong!!

[constance]

Nope Capt Coco, Skystar is correct :)

[Buster Hyman]

Now, now chaps. Two Wongs don't make a wight!:=

[lucky101]

MEDIA INFORMATION
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


MEDIA RELEASE – OzJet Airlines SOLD

Paul Stoddart announced today that he has sold his interest in the charter airline OzJet that he founded in 2005.

In a multi million dollar deal Heavylift Cargo airlines based in Sydney have acquired OzJet and it’s fleet of Boeing 737 Aircraft.

Stoddart says “ I am glad that OzJet will maintain it’s progress into a successful Schedule and specialist Charter airline – I wish them every success “.

Nick Leach (Heavylift and newly appointed OzJet Chairman) said “ I am delighted with the acquisition of OzJet and look forward to the synergies that can be achieved with our existing fleet of Boeing 727 Cargo aircraft. These are challenging times in the aviation sector but this development will strengthen both companies”.



MEDIA ENQUIRIES -
Willie O’Neill CEO, 0406 380 989

[Mach E Avelli]

Synergies = pulling engines and common instrument & other bits etc off the B732's to keep the freighters running?

[cnic]

ON has norfolk run and have leased it back to ozjet until they get equipment to do it themselves.Mr Sumsum is still making up his mind.

[66biscuits]

Ozjet currently fly 2 or 3 flights to DPS a week out of PER in chartered schedule arrangement with Indojet. Holiday pax with many tickets issued for dates well into the future. Skystar do the ground service.
Is it just me or this at odds with a cargo operators normal business?
Has anyone any ideas about what Heavylift may have in store for the 737 200 op out of PER, considering it is a contract albeit not the firmest contract I've ever heard of.

[apacau]

66: they also run a fully scheduled RPT service Perth-Derby and return 3x weekly.

[66biscuits]

Correct, same aircraft in fact. But the million dollar question is, will Heavylift want to continue these services or would they want their newly bought aircraft for other purposes? Strip the seats and run cargo? Bali as a pax destination is about as busy as it's ever been.

[Skystar320]

Correct, same aircraft in fact. But the million dollar question is, will Heavylift want to continue these services or would they want their newly bought aircraft for other purposes? Strip the seats and run cargo? Bali as a pax destination is about as busy as it's ever been.

Its profitable, and you even can interchange the aircraft to a 737-200C, run pax through the day, freight at night

You mention that bali is a pax destination yes, but ON has a contract that already pay's for the aircraft regardless if 1 or 40 are on the aircraft......... No operator like ON - ACMI major

[XRlent100]

OZJET put out a media release stating they're adding an additional Monday flight to Derby / Curtin bringing the total flights per week to 4. This surely would indicate their intentions are to stay on the route.

OZJET INCREASES KIMBERLEY SERVICE

http://www.ozjet.com.au/images/spacer.gif
30 April, 2008
OzJet Airlines is set to add an additional flight on its Perth to Derby route. The airline commenced services to Derby in February 2007 with three flights a week returning a jet service there after fourteen years absence.
OzJet Business Development Manager Michael Lockman concluded negotiations with mining companies to utilise an increased number of seats on the route.
The carrier has worked closely with a number of key stakeholders including the Shire of Derby-West Kimberley to attract key support for the additional flight that commences on Monday, 12 May.
OzJet CEO Willie O'Neill said the airline's continued growth in the region is most pleasing. “The additional service assists our resource partners by providing a timely transport solution for its workers and sustained economic growth for the shire of Derby-West Kimberley,' says O'Neill. "It also is a fillip for local tourism operators with increased demand for travelers going to Derby, the gateway to the Kimberley region's many natural tourist attractions. We have also added an on-board Business Class service on the flight." OzJet departs Perth at 0530 arriving in Derby at 0810. Return flights depart at 1110 arriving Perth at 1400 pm on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Monday flights will commence weekly from 12 May.

[mates rates]

how will they crew this flight? 2 Captains retrenched and a third resigned.Do they have enough Captains in PER already?

[olderairhead]

Yes.
2 retrenched from Brisbane and 1 resigned from Melbourne.
Full compliment left in Perth.

[Tropospherical]

Rudder,

Have to agree that the guys & girls at OzJet might need a good dollop of luck. IMHO HL have bought into an outfit with loads of (so far partly proven) potential driven by some good talent, but a business which is now at a critical point.

I hear the gloss has gone off things for the better workers in head office who have given up beating their heads against brick walls :ugh:, with some staff having taken the initiative and shown themselves the door, and whispers in the corridors of more.

Since these days it seems the mantra is to get by with the bare minimum (as long as those who stand to profit do so agreeably well, of course) it remains to be seen if HL management can think and move fast enough on their feet to stabilise and build OzJet, or fall prey to the failed economics of revolving door policies.

[Skystar320]

Hate to spoil the fun....... Ozjet offices doesnt have corridors!

[Got the horn]

In the local rag there was an article about the new owners of OzJet. Seem's they're keen on flying into Palmy....lucky the billboard is still up at the entrance :ugh:

[charlie6]

Ansett mk3?

[silversaab]

What's the Ansett connection? Thought most of their ex (mis)management went north to DJ and places elsewhere..

[Skystar320]

wow where did the ansett connection come from newbie?

[TWOTBAGS]

Time to inhale people before you pop, worrying about what is going to happen.

I would suggest that there will be some very interesting changes and a rosy future for Ozjet and the way to the future is the past.

Now I am going to go out on a limb here, but some of you know who I am anyway. I grew up with Nick Leach, he even dated my next door neighbor. The Leach family have been involved in aviation in Australia for a very very long time.

It is fact that they were the first people to attempt to start a low cost airline in Australia after deregulation and were the only people to actually get an aircraft in county, with the intent to start a log time before DJ was even a glint in RB’s eye.

What I am referring to is Pacific Transair and the lone 737-200 (N737RD) that came to Sydney in 1995 and hung about for a few months before being leased to Air Philippines.

So I think the real game is about to begin, these guys are here for the long haul (no pun intended) they are very diversified in the aviation business and are very prudent with the $.

As I have not seen or spoken to Nick in probably 10 years so I cant say I have any idea of the future but I do know that they don’t spend one cent if they don’t think there is a future in it and to come up with the $ to buy an operating AOC with assets is only indicative that they see a financial opportunity.

[amos2]

Isn't it amazing that the cowboys in aviation always have supporting sycophants trailing after them? :D

[Rudder]

TwotBags

While I admire your loyalty and even admire the Leachs' having a go. That is not at question. There is still the issue of doing it right and being seen to do it right.

That may not be as obvious as it should be. You may like to start with doing a search on the ditching of a DC3 with a bunch of schoolboys in Sydney Harbour and the findings that came out of that and then come back and edit out your post to reflect the whole story.

Hopefully the Leachs' will take the opportunity to show that they have moved on from that. Operating as a flag of convenience operator certianly doesn't.

[olderairhead]

sycophants

Bugger me amos2, I had to go to the dictionary for that one! Where did you pluck that from! :D

[TWOTBAGS]

A sycophant (Gr. (συκοφάντης)) is a servile person who, acting in their own self interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential person, with an undertone that this is at the cost of their own personal pride, principles, and peer respect.


Amos…. If your referring to me, what part of this do you not understand?:confused:

As I have not seen or spoken to Nick in probably 10 years so I cant say I have any idea of the future

Swimming DC-3's aside (believe me I know that story) I fully agree with Rudder, leopards do not change their spots. Something's afoot and the Leach's are very strategic thinkers is probably more what I meant.

As a disclaimer, I have never ever worked for or with Pacific Airmotive or any of its associated businesses....... I do however know the people and we have moved in the same circles for a long time, the only aircraft of their's I would ever want to strap into would be the blue Stearman they had!

[betaman]

Where did you pluck that from!

:hmm:I'm tippin a dictionary same as you OAH ;)

[Spotlight]

Too much time in the Sim Amos.

[mates rates]

maybe Nick will now pay the Pacific Transair pilots the pay he owes them!!

[olderairhead]

Googled it....:O

[Rudder]

TwotBags,

Thanks for the clarification. Your probably right on the strategic thinking bit. It's a shame that its spent on getting around things. They are clearly capable and successful in many ways.

However, perhaps you can't blame them for not submitting themselves to CASA's jurisdiction any more than they have too. This acquisition will however expose them to exactly that and that extends to who has effective control irrespective of who may appear to managing the operation. Unless the Leachs' have changed dramatically and made up with CASA there are fun and games to come.

I would think that the biggest danger here for HL is the loss of key post holders within Ozjet which then exposes the Ozjet operation to an immediate approval by CASA. It will be hard for them to attract the right people I would suggest, particularly in this environment and thier past reputation.

My last post on this.

Good luck to all on making the whole operation both HL and Ozjet a success. However my gut says I will be seeing a far more serious thread in relation to this overall topic in the not too distant future.

[charlie6]

Have a look in the GA section under J*

[Mach E Avelli]

How the Ansett mindset will sit with the old guard that remains plus the new guard at Ozjet will be interesting to watch as it unfolds.

[silversaab]

Have a look in the GA section under J*

Which I have - and I'm no more enlightened. Do I surmise you are suggesting HL have some ex-AN ppl? And if so, what's your point?

[Mach E Avelli]

I think his point is that Ozjet is gradually being populated by the ex AN camp. My point is that there is bound to be a clash of cultures.

[Heavy Cargo]

AN went under, OZ will do as required by HVY whom own them I would think.
Stay tuned OZ is turning the corner and it has only been a week ? NLK services staying with OZ and new equipment coming ? HVY the quiet achievers ?:ok:

[Mach E Avelli]

Noted elsewhere that Ozjet made pilots redundant less than a month ago. Now Heavylift advertise for pilots for B732 which is obviously to crew the OJ machines. Did they take back the redundant pilots?

[Kwaj mate]

There's one fairly senior OzJet captain that lived up our way some years back who is the laziest bloke that ever flew an aircraft. The engineers called him 'sea-gull'. Even instructing in the Sim sessions in Santiago he took every short cut possible. A very knowledgeable and moderately competent chap, but greedy sleazy & a total disaster in his management role. Nick needs him in his operation.

[my control]

Now, now Kwaj mate this is not very nice .....is it

[Sal-e]

I risked mocking this same gentleman when he took that role at OJ. Seems it wasn't such a big risk.

[discus177]

N326FE was flown to KROW around 18 days ago, now she will be scrapped. Did they lease the engines from somewhere to fly the transfer, or were they not sold at all?

[727ace]

hear from the cleaner that Heavylift/Ozjet may be acquiring the last two remaining VH registered 727F's operating for AAe before the end of the year, which i think are operated by NJS. seems the 737's arent performing on the PER-MEL-PER run and their are reliability problems with the 737F.
If this is the case will be good to see the old birds in the skys for a while yet. One of the best aircraft i've flown :ok:

[Heavy Cargo]

Correct ,also HVY crews told going to Perth in one of the HVY722s HGW next week start PER MEL PER.

[witwiw]

HC,

Unwilling to comment on most of your predictions being so, so far off the mark? You know, all that stuff about OJ bouncing back etc etc, wiping OA off the map etc etc, EW going to OA etc etc, Solomon's govt doing a deal with OJ etc etc, no more ADF charters for OA etc etc, OJ keeping the NLK business etc etc. Where do I stop????

But then, with advice from the likes of your current INU'n contacts you're bound to succeed, NOT. Be warned.

Your silence is uncanny.

[Heavy Cargo]

Yeh, your right I'll give it away.

[tourismman]

Asia Pacific Aviation Report states Ozjet are getting 2 MD-83'S .

Heavy Cargo have you heard that one.

[Heavy Cargo]

No one listens to me you all make fun. BUT Heard AAE 727s and 2 x MD82/83.
OZ Jet just got the latest ADF/Military contracts ex Dili and HON. Also saw another flight plan for ADF to Japan next week in 732 pax ?

[feenix]

Yeh you're right we'll give it away

[down3gr33ns]

flight plan for ADF to Japan next week in 732 pax

Hmm, interesting trip, how do you plan it given the 60 minutes consideration, or are you stretching the truth like a lot of your other prophecies? Can't seem to take you serious any more after none, yes none, of your predictions have eventuated.

[Heavy Cargo]

Honiara Tonga ADF B732 confirmed.
Dili this weekend B732 confirmed.

B732 Did ADF Japan Charter last week.No ETOPS to Japan via Darwin Manila. Buy a World Atlas and take a look.

:D

[feenix]

ETOPS doesn't exist anymore ( buy some regs )but EDTO is not a problem when you have to land for fuel every couple of hours

[Heavy Cargo]

Not use to twin engine 737 ( girls bicycle ) operations. 3 or 4 trubines for me ?
OH can you add to the list another Japan trip next week for OZ Jet.

Gee have not seen OA getting any ??????? Hmm 3 to go in DILI for OA.

Keep your eyes on the Perth Domestic cargo ramp next Sunday you might see HVY freighters when AAEs VH-VLI goes next week?

Maybe my predictions are coming true . Slowly grinding you away ?:=

[feenix]

Any slower and you 'd go backwards It is not the pie in the sky untruths you spread that mater but instead runs on the board .OA are not in this to to put you out of business but simply to provide a viable service to their owners (the people of Nauru).We don't wish you harm but unlike you are content to make our ops work without wishing bad luck to others. Also unlike you we are not vindictive although we have the right to be as the routes were previously ours before your company back doored us while in our employment (all be it with different owners but the same management).The runs so far (under contract) despite what you tell your staff APNG under contract,Norfolk under contract,Solomons under contract,DILI charters to continue and various other charters which are yet to be announced but already under contract. No one can predict the future but contracts certainly help. Air Nauru has been around a long time longer than its competition and have done it all on an Australian AOC which is far harder and more expensive than carriers hiding behind Foreign AOCs as you are about to discover. Despite all of you doomsdayers it is still going strong. We don't show our hands on these forums until the ink on the contracts has dried but I think our owners are very happy with how the company is going. We wish you well and hope to work along side rather than against you but I think your ego would get in the way of such a relationship so instead of carrying on like school children let's just say may the best man win provided he plays the game fairly.

[witwiw]

you all make fun

and you make it SOOOOOOOOOOO easy with all your silly predictions....


pity they all lack substance.

[Heavy Cargo]

Cool, the only staff I have are an F/O and F/E, but looking for to get cabin crew soon ?

[cyclone8888]

Heavy Cargo, Are you capable of writing anything that makes sense??

Seems as though you paid as much attention to your school books as you do rule books.

[down3gr33ns]

Also saw another flight plan for ADF to Japan next week in 732 pax ? (post of June 21st).

What happened to this, Heavy Cargo? Been handed a copy of your pilot rosters for the period 23 June - 07 July, this flight seems to have been left out of the roster!!!! I didn't see this flight on the previous roster, either.

Maybe it was possibly a 722F trip, but that aircraft seems to be dormant at BNEAP.

Or was it just more of the fanciful dreaming at which you excel?

[Heavy Cargo]

1) Oz Jet 8 July Japan Charter Kevin Rudd backup B732
2) HVY Monday B722 Melbourne lunchtime then Perth base from Tuesday Night
PER MEL PER
3) OZ Jet/HVY purchased VH-VLH for OZ Jet AOC domestic cargo.

What say you,it has all come true ? Or is foot in mouth ? :D

[Classic Dick]

Heard yesterday that Heavy Lift looking to purchase VH-VLI after it's C check in an effort to win AAE contract off Cobham. Any truth in that Heavy Cargo?

[Heavy Cargo]

No idea have not heard that one ?

[jack red]

Cobham aka NJS don't have that part of the AaE contract, that belongs to Express Freighters aka QF. I believe the 737s aren't performing too well and the 727 is just filling the hole PER - MEL - PER until Express can get another 737 up & running.

[down3gr33ns]

1) Oz Jet 8 July Japan Charter Kevin Rudd backup B732

I'll wait 'til I'm shown a roster, then if it's true I'll acknowledge it. Your telling the truth would be worthy of a mention.

Seems, though, your prediction of when it was happening was off the mark by a bit as you had it happening in the "next week" in a prior post, ie commencing 23rd June. Now its significantly later, did Rudd change his travel dates?

[witwiw]

Your telling the truth would be worthy of a mention.
Don't hold your breath.

[Sal-e]

Quite a funny read, especially with comical characters like HC!!:}

[Heavy Cargo]

Did you get the roster? Showing Japan ?
Did you look on the ramp in PER and See HVY 727-200F for AAE?
Did VH-VLH get sold to HVY/OZ Jet

YES :D

[feenix]

Do we really care. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[witwiw]

Did we notice how OJ has abandoned Solomon Airlines? And at short notice.

YES

[feenix]

WITWIW It appears to be a developing pattern with Oz. If he can't get his own way and be king of the castle, NL has a massive dummy spit and resorts to threatening his competition (see previous threads)while the rest of the industry gets on with trying to provide viable services. Makes you wonder why OA did a rescue flight with parts for OJ's stranded aircraft in HIR (at no cost) when he behaves like he does.At least the majority of the industry in the Pacific region can maintain the high moral ground and don't stoop to his ever lowering standards

[SeldomFixit]

Who is NL and what's his history ?

[Skystar320]

Heavy Lift - you always make me chuckle with your postings

[down3gr33ns]

Heavy, as I said I would, I acknowledge your Japan trip after being handed a copy of the OZ roster. It is refreshing to see you finally, FINALLY, posted something that turned out to be legit.

But, if the other posts are to be believed, you seem to be making a mess of your dominance over Our Airline. Heard you dropped the HIR flights and OA picked them up - not the first time you've handed work to them and is hardly the way to overcome a competitor, is it?

[witwiw]

Now, now D3G's, don't get too excited that HC has finally written something worth reading and which turned out to be factual for once. You need to compare that flash of truthfulness against a lot of the other rubbish he has written and which hasn't reflected the facts.

[Mach E Avelli]

Seldomfixit, if you still have not worked out who NL is, do a search of BASI report 9401043. Being an accident report which does not purport to lay blame - only reveal cause and effect, it does not reveal names. Ask around.

[witwiw]

This from a Google alert on Ozjet late last week. Now OJ can't be that stupid, more like typical (mis)reporting the press is very good at, however maybe HC, who seems to know all that goes on at OJ, can tell us the real reason for the turn back.

"A lot of people just got off the boat at Vanuatu and got straight on a plane home," Mrs Bassett said.
"Ozjet Airlines was chartered to take the remaining passengers home, but the drama was not quite over.
An hour into the flight out of Vanuatu the plane was turned around when it was found the pilot had no licence to land at night in Auckland."

[mauswara]

WITWIW,That turn back was for HF radio failure.

[sayallafter]

WITWIW, is that just a dumb ass post, or you are just now scraping the bottom of the barrel for muck raking.

This is probably the article you talk about:

Voyage a cruise this time round - Local News - Waikato Times (http://stuff.co.nz/waikatotimes/4615737a6579.html)

Sorry....the OZJET involvement in that occurred in July 2007 (even the article listed that), BTW that was 12 MONTHS AGO (nothing like old news for a current debate is there!!).

Like him or hate him, (and not being an apologist for NL in the slightest) he had nothing to do with OZ then.

Your credibility on this one is ZERO. :ugh:.

[feenix]

The event may be twelve months old but the article has only just come to light and I didn't see anywhere where WITWIW refered to NL. As far as muck raking WITWIW even says it was probably to do with bad reporting and was simply asking what did happen. If it was a HF failure as stated then Oz must have bad radioes as the same thing recently happened on one of their former Solomons flights. Me thinks you are a bit too touchy and should read some of HL's threads if you want to see some muck raking.

[Mach E Avelli]

They had a whole heap of turnbacks because of HF failure. There is only one HF radio in their aircraft, which is not the way to run oceanic operations with any reliability. One Captain was severely criticized (and it may have contributed to his being laid off, even though they are now advertising for pilots) for his stance on turning back on Honiara and Norfolk flights whenever the HF died. It was expected that pilots could bluff their way there and back home by using VHF to ask other aircraft to relay. That may be OK very occasionally, but when it becomes a habit ATC and everyone else who uses the HF system gets a bit pissed off.

[witwiw]

Thanks, Mauswara.

Yes, SAA, that was the article, published on 12th July 2008. It was the first I'd heard of it and if you can't tell the difference between a genuine attempt to find the real reason for the turn-back (as against what was printed) and alleged muck-raking, then pity you.

[down3gr33ns]

What's happened to Heavy Cargo and all his posturing about how OJ/HL were going to see out all their opposition by competing on their respective routes etc. It's all gone very quiet and not much seems to be happening these days!!!

How are the ADFcharters going? Heard Defence was somewhat unhappy that the last several to/from SYD/DIL were all late causing problems with connecting flights.

Time to come back out of the woodwork HC.

[Skystar320]

Yes HC been very quite

[Raredata]

Saw HC on Freight Dogs (Belfast)

[Skystar320]

yeah right and I saw a big break the sound barrier

[DingoMuddy]

I heard HC has been in Hawaii on hols with the family. Lots of people looking so forward to his return!;)

[Dog One]

The Australian Friday August 22nd - large ad for Head of Flight Operations and Head of Check & Training plus some other technical roles

[O2]

I'm surpised HC hasn't taken the job....man of his talent....figjam

[flyer_18-737]

Can anyone further elaborate on the NorfolkAir 737-300 that is meant to come within the next month, as in Arrival Date

What airline is it coming from?

[Skystar320]

I dont think the extra B737-300 is coming..... quote from memory they lost a contract?