Qantas - New Cabin Crew Uniform

[Domestos]

I'm on a day off today, but just been told by a mate that we have received a new memo in our mailboxes regarding a new uniform. The memo doesn't state what it will be, but the CSMs on the BOS desk say that it is a silver tie and jacket, not sure about the girls. Its about time we had a fresh update to the uniform.....the current colour palette of "rock" and "black" is dull and lifeless.....if the rumour is true about "silver" and "black" then I'm guessing it will be more refreshing, modern, and futuristic looking.

[speedbirdhouse]

Given that the current uniforms is still arguably fashionable, smart and professional I'd have to suggest that a new uniform is a complete waste of money.

[Domestos]

I think the uniform change is tied more to the new A380 that is coming. There has been a lot of speculation that the company wanted to update its image in line with the new aircraft. Given that the whole aircraft interior colours are changing at the moment....seat fabric, curtains etc....I guess they wanted colours on our uniform to complement that also.....wise move anyway....black and silver look much better against the current interiors of maroon and mid grey. The Aboriginal print, when introduced about 6 years ago, was novel and fresh at the time....but now its time to move on with the future. I hope the new colours are more stylish and sophisticated.

[speedbirdhouse]

Instead of unnecessary spending money why not do something useful?

Knitwear so that crew don't freeze during long night sectors.

Crew shouldn't have to wrap themselves in passenger blankets.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[lowerlobe]

Speedbird....Given the history of company priorities on spending then a new uniform could well be on the cards..

IFE....No need because it's only used by customers....
New aircraft....no...the 300's have got years in them left besides the A-330 can fly to LA can't it:eek:
More crew.....You have got to be kidding....why improve customer service?
Bonus's for the select...Now your talking:D
Oh..Hang on we have to be seen to be doing something.....Hey...New Uniforms and I'll bet the crew will love the in cabin gear we give them.Besides the current uniform is still stylish and current...and we can't have that now can we.Maybe we can go for that French label again..that was a huge win....for someone:ooh:

[Domestos]

Speedingbirdhouse....I agree with you in some respects that a total uniform overhaul would be a waste of money....however, I think that it might actually be cheaper for the company, in terms of manufacturing runs. I'm not sure if you are cabin crew, but when we first started getting the jackets...they were lined with the Aboriginal print on the inside. Then as the years rolled on and we swapped old jackets for new, the inner print lining disappeared and now it is black lining. So I am beginning to think that it costs money to print intricate designs. If the company just updates the look by introducing a solid colour and no print for guys and girls, then I am thinking maybe it might be cheaper to produce? Anyway Speedingbirdhouse...its just a thought and I agree with the money issue.

[lowerlobe]

So I am beginning to think that it costs money to print intricate designs.
domestos.....

I'm thinking more along the lines that it is more money because they have to pay a license fee for using it....:oh:

[Domestos]

As daggy as it may sound...I do like Speedingbirdhouse's suggestion of knitwear. Oh I miss my old Harry Who cardigan, it was fabulously warm and was great to wear when sleeping. I used to secretly wear it under my jacket to keep warm in freezing ports. I think a stylish woollen neck scarf would be great too.

Oh, knowing Qantas, if they were to introduce knitwear, it would probably be fire retardant acrylic anyway....as if they would give us wool again!!!!!

[capt.cynical]

2 words---comfort & pockets,

[speedbirdhouse]

Oh, you can have a scarf, gloves [and perhaps knitware?] but only if you work out of the LHR base.

Lets face it, none of us go anywhere cold and the Thais who spend much [most?] of their time in and out of LHR don't feel the cold one little bit. :rolleyes:

What with all their excess body fat they carry and growing up in such a cold country.

Lowerlobe,

who will be the new Barruta [sic]?

French champaign and junkets to Paris for EVERYBODY, darling............

[Pegasus747]

I agree a change to the uniform is a complete waste of money, unless of course the CSMs will get a gold lame jacket and sequined tie. I have often felt that looking like westfield security was so passe....now sequins and lame would be completely in keeping with our position of ringmaster of a flying circus

[Jabawocky]

Silver ya say...............

Any coincidence it matches them A330/320's :oh:

[QFinsider]

why don't we also change the logo ever so slightly...

That ought to convince the travelling public and staff we mean business :E

[Domestos]

Spot on Pegasus re Westfield Security.....LOL...you are so right! I was wondering why our CSMs were moonlighting as security at Westfield Bondi Junction...LOL.

BTW...does anyone know what is happening with the new Y/C super duper aprons we were supposed to have gotten? I thought the company were re-issuing the aprons cos they were saggy and looked like we were selling vegetables at Paddy's Markets? I can understand galley operators and air chefs wearing aprons whilst working but please....not in the cabin...it denegrates from the whole "premium" image......

......oh that reminds me...I need to wash my apron after selling bok choy at Paddys in my moonlighting job.

[Feather #3]

There must be an impending financial disaster coming to QF. The track record of new uniforms impeccably follows downturns in the industry, with millions being spent when "We'll all be rooned!" messages come from management.

Watch this space!!:uhoh:

G'day ;)

[GalleyHag]

Yes its true we are getting a "re-fresh" to coincide with the introduction of the A380. Yes have heard silver as well. But after reading the memo I think there will be a print option that even female CSM's have the option of wearing (not that many male CSM's would want to wear it). I say bring it on while they are spending money on us some executive is missing out on a bigger bonus payment. I would of course much prefer to see it spent on our customers but pigs dont fly (YET).

[cartexchange]

good! I'm glad they are getting rid of the "indigenous" print.......its bloody ugly and old.

However the CSS and CSM ties are fine the way they are.

but get rid of that ugly UA black dress and remove the option for women to wear slacks!
Some hosties simply shouldn't be wearing trousers it makes their @rses look even bigger than they are!

[WynSock]

I know,

Silver with a big orange star.

[Domestos]

cartexchange....I totally agree with you...there are waaaaay too many options for the females. This is gonna sound really sexist, but I think females should either wear a smart business skirt or a dress. I don't see other reputable big name airlines giving their females too many options....and if you work in Asia....forget it!!!!!

Wouldn't you agree with me...if there are too many options, it is hard for customers to work out who is who amongst the females...if its not print dress, then its black dress, if its not black dress then its the skirt....if its not the skirt then its slacks....and for goodness sakes, if its not slacks then its maternity wear. For cryin' out loud...we are an airline....NOT a Noni-B or Katies store front.

OK girls....I'm waiting for you to jump up and down and shoot me down with sexism....blah blah blah...yawn :zzz: But hey....flying is a perceived glamourous job...if other females from other premium airlines can look uniform, sexy, and smart...why can't ours? Guys too! Its all about eye candy....image is EVERYTHING!!!!! OK....shoot me down also for being vain...blah blah blah...yawn!!!!! :zzz:

[cartexchange]

you make me laugh domestos, very funny post...heh heh

[Taildragger67]

Capt. Cynical,

You don't want pockets, mate, because then they can't accuse you of putting chockies and biscuits in them... :mad:

[roamingwolf]

domestos sounds like crew we used to have in the old days before the anal retentive pc visitors/police started getting rid of any crew who had a personality or original thought.
Has anyone noticed how the visitors look at you if you are having a laugh in the office around the sign on area?
They can't work you out and it's kind of like they are some sort of aliens who don't understand fun.
With our uniforms its just another way of glossing over any probs and pretending alls ok.
Like lobey said I reckon they should spend some dough on the ife and then we wouldn't have to make so many apologies.I'd like that better thana new jacket or tie.But whatever they give me it's just something so I don't wear my own clobber.
Besides this means they will have to find a new bunch of would be models/crew who spend all their spare time in the office and make a new how to look great runway uniform book and that means even more money to waste.

[Transition Layer]

Hopefully this will mean we don't have to see ageing Sydney LH crew squeezing into that Aboriginal print dress anymore. :yuk:

Although 'count the boomerangs' is one of my favourite pastimes!!! :D

[Brasilian Bird]

It's to help the crew hide when the IFE packs it in.... yet again.... :E they can just 'blend in'... :p

[cart_elevator]

From what I have heard, the print dress and tie are still staying. They will just be a different colour! Think ' Shiny Disco Balls' :p

I think the new version will be even harder to hide the bulges in :{

The problem is, so many people dont give a fat-rats how they look because it's just a uniform. They never know how much the passengers comment about what they look like. Particularly in the print dress! I have heard so many comments from passengers when a larger lady walks past in it!

They should only make the print dress up to size 12 :ok:

[QFLHFA]

Why change the dress size? Change the flight attendant instead.

[cart_elevator]

Well, all mainline crew just got a notice saying it's changing, detailing the changes and that it affects all Qantas mainline crew... the only thing they didnt say was what the new colour of the print dress and tie would be :p

[EmmaB]

I agree with you, Domestos. Airlines that put female cc in trousers just lower our prestige in the eyes of the passengers :ugh:.

[Pegasus747]

Cut the sexist crap...half the guys are overweight slobs too so forget about how the women look.

Trousers are for safety reasons. If you had to go down a slide in an emergency you would want to be wearing trousers not nylon panty hose that would give you severe burns and scar you for life.

get over the whole crap about appearance...if you want to go down that line then go to the FAAA and inisist that the EBA provides for scales at sign on.....

They wouldnt be able to crew a bloody flight!!!!

[indamiddle]

hi A B P, what is a pochette?
hi 747 , they could crew a flight with bkk crew...need to upgrade for csm/css

[cartexchange]

yes yes we know peg!
some of the guys are big! but there is nothing more "outstanding" than a chick in those pants or wearing the boomerang dress!
I once counted 4 boomerangs across one arse, can anyone beat that!:D:ok:

[PattyStacker]

Indamiddle, Grab a copy of the runway guide. The pochette is worn by all cabin crew. I thought a QF employee would know that???

[lowerlobe]

Grab a copy of the runway guide. The pochette is worn by all cabin crew. I thought a QF employee would know that???
Patty...Do you mean that QF employees would know that there is a runway guide for uniform standards......

Or what a pochette is?

I admit I had to dig out the runway guide to find out ......but then again I am a heterosexual male so unless you are a woman,gay or sensitive new age guy I doubt you would either.....

By the way....The pochette is not worn by all cabin crew because it is not used with the dress.....

[Domestos]

cartexchange....I have to say for argument's sake, I agree with you re female crew. Yes we sound sexist, but hey, we live in a world that has a label for everything and we stereotype this and that. This is just fact, this is the way the world revolves around its 24 hour axis. I'm just calling a spade a spade and not a 'splade'. I think (and it is my opinion, opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one) it is socially acceptable, to some extent, to see a larger male than a larger female in the cabin. Also I think passengers have a glamourised view of female flight attendants and I have to admit those girls who work for Asian and Middle Eastern Airlines, premium airlines that is, are in the majority simply gorgeoous. Look, I'm a Friend of Dorothy anyway, but I looooove working on a cart with stunning looking girls who are really sweet on the eye candy. Makes me wonder what I missed out on!!!! LOL. Sorry if this offends anyone...but its my opinion and I am sorry if I offended anyone.

Anyway, we've digress now.

Back to the uniform issue....got wind of some crew gossiping about the new colours.....and they reckon its gonna be more grey than silver. Hmmm...I was hoping it would be more of a metallic silver with a subtle shiny lustre. I think that would look awesome against a black suit and white shirt. Any thoughts anyone......?????

[Transition Layer]

Pegasus747,

If the nylon panty hose really are a safety issue in the event of an evacuation, why are they part of the uniform in the first place? Surely an OH&S issue?

It's a fact of life that customers like being served by attractive, well presented people and barge arse walking down the aisle banging into everyone doesn't fall into that category I'm afraid.


And Domestos, haven't heard the term "Friend of Dorothy", but would I be safe in assuming it's the same as "putting from the rough" or "batting for the other team"? :D

[Domestos]

Transition Layer.....LOL...spot on re: Friend of Dorothy.

I'm gonna step up to the sexist limelight and say......if I were to run a fantasy airline, I'd have all my girls over 6' tall, all with 25" waists, all wearing stillettoes, tight above-knee business skirts, and tight fitted blouses and they all would be wearing pill box hats. Oh my god, what a vision.....I looooove gorgeous female flight attendants.

OK, I've had my peace now.

[Domestos]

....oh I forgot to add....I'd make all my gorgeous girls wear fish net stockings.....!!!!! lol.

OK people, don't get offended, we can all have our fantasies!!!!! lol

[RedTBar]

Cut the sexist crap...half the guys are overweight slobs too so forget about how the women look.
Hey Peg,your a bit touchy today?

The others are right and the world is sexist so get over it.It's a fact of life and we live with it everyday day.
What the others are saying is that the company should understand that most of us could lose a bit of weight but then who doesn't.When they are picking out a uniform they should come up with something that flatters the average body that most of us have and let's face it the dress with the boomerangs does not.
Get down off your high horse and realise how lucky you are doing all that walking between QCC and the union bunker.

[Ron & Edna Johns]

You know, it's a funny but sad ol' world: where if you're a Friend of Dorothy's it's quite ok to espouse old Domestos's fantasies, no drama. But if you're a mate of Bruce's and do the same thing, well, it'd be tea and bickies with the boss Monday morning.... :cool:

[RedTBar]

Ron & Edna Johns,
It's the same with the difference between a girl and a guy.If a woman pinches a bloke on the bum at work he won't do a thing but if it's the other way around it's a please explain and bring your lawyer with you.
Like I said it's a sexist world and we have to live with it.

[indamiddle]

hi paddy stacker, last runway guide i saw was issued with current uniform, had a guy on front with best set of choppers i have ever seen (from manilla i believe). don't remember anything about a pochette. please, will someone tell me what it is. am i wearing the uniform incorrectly?
hi cart exchange... 4 boomerangs across the a&$e? you're not even trying?
domestos... what about a black shirt, at least it would more closely resemble the 'cafe experience' the bosses want the punters to have, minus hirsute chests and thick gold chains

[Smooch Pooch]

indamiddle, the pochette is the hankie thingy that sits in the blazer pocket.

[RedTBar]

pochette.
Sounds like something you would order in a restaurant with rice;)

or maybe a French girl band

or We could call the A-380 the 'Pochette'

[indamiddle]

smooch pooch, thanks for the clarification.
maybe they could have called it a hankie.
guess a blanket should be called a 'poch', they get a lot of snot on them

[PattyStacker]

hmmmm. pochette.......Who would have thought??? Considering it has been part of the uniform for many years I am surprised that it is an unknown item. Any one know what an ibar is.

[lowerlobe]

pochette.......Who would have thought??? Considering it has been part of the uniform for many years I am surprised that it is an unknown item. Any one know what an ibar is.
Patty ......All crew know what it is only that most people call it a hanky....but I guess it's important to some people :yuk: to call it a pochette.I guess that it is known as that in Oxford street a lot ....but your are right and that life as we know it will end if it is not called a pochette.

Patty, perhaps you could suggest to the visitors that the company holds snap questions about uniform items and service acronyms and if the question is not answered correctly the crew member is stood down.....:rolleyes:

With your post it is clear that there is a job waiting for you in the product center coming up with new acronyms.....iBar....:8

[PattyStacker]

Yes I will.

[indamiddle]

ibar? ..... too easy, something related to an ipod!


just joking.... something to do with a name tag?

[lowerlobe]

It's a new generic brand of viagra.....:E

....Or maybe a new trendy bar for some in Oxford St...:oh:

[PattyStacker]

Yes is next to the new straight bar called club "Puerile"

[lowerlobe]

...A straight bar in Oxford Street....???

.....You mean the gay bar called the Pochette where they serve ibars!!!!!

[PattyStacker]

They serve a lovely "VR" there. Its bitter with a twist and served chilled.

[roamingwolf]

Patty I think you've got the wrong drink there.The vr drink is beaut because if you can get one it means your free but I reckon if you are in a bar in oxfrd st you would be bitter n twisted.
I go along with the others and there could be better things to spend money on but it's gonna happen anyway

[PattyStacker]

Well why come back day after day if you feel that you are trapped. If freedom is what you want then I am sure you know that process is release yourselves from servitude.

[twiggs]

Ah yes Wolf, but the VR drink is not a bottomless one and sooner or later you get thirsty again.
As most who have tasted it have found, you don't know what you've got until it's gone.

[lowerlobe]

As most who have tasted it have found, you don't know what you've got until it's gone.
...Is that what most of the office think Twiggs?

It must kill you guys in the office to see crew getting that pay out and walking out with a smile on their face.....

Take it from me the package was great and I'm enjoying life to the full....especially with no more E.P's or walking into that office any more....:D:D:D

In fact if you check this thread out you will be thrilled as it will show you what everyone else thinks.....:E

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=326235

[roamingwolf]

patty,a lot of crew don't go for the package cause of a thing called kids.
you don't have that problem patty but when your kids are still at school youve got no chance at taking the package.If it was up to me I'd like nothing better than to give work the flick and travel with mrs wolfy but it'll be a coupla years yet.
so as much as you'd like to cut the strings but it's not gonna happen.

twiggs girl I was happy when I was on your ignore list.did you feel left out or a bit bored at work not seeing any posts?
I reckon lobey's right and you desk jockeys are not happy to give all that money out for vr but don't worry twiggs it's not your money.
so can you put me back on your ignore list when you read this post and we don't have to listen to each other
I see twiggs is back on line now and I have to laugh because it's morning tea time in the office.

back to the uniform change I reckon it might have been twiggs who thought of them?
If they want to make the flying croisant crew look different to us they could give them a badge to wear on their pochettes and save a bundle:cool:

[PattyStacker]

There are other opportunities out there in the world. Not Just QF Crew.
You (qf collective) constantly say how bad the company is and how badly you are treated and all you want to do is satisfy the customer. Do you think customers are satisfied when irate, I am only here because I have school age children crew waltz on the air craft and fly off to a destination only because I have to mentality. Who says i don't have children? Who says I won't have children in the future?

[capt.cynical]

Care to review that last post Patty.:(

Giggs would have been proud of it !!:D

[PattyStacker]

I'm really not that invested

[lowerlobe]

.......Perhaps you are right capt.cynical and it is indeed Giggs reincarnated :eek:
Especially when I saw her response.....I'm really not that invested
Though, Patty might be a financial planner!!!!

However,seeing this thread is about the uniform and not about dyslexia it reminded me of the uniform in the late 70's....The dark navy blue with the classic QF emblem of the time in a circle on the jacket.

I remember one blue coat who had a second job when at home working at lunch and dinner functions.

To save money and not have to buy another suit he simply put another emblem on his jacket over the QF one and held it in place with velcro or something similar....

I still think that uniform is smart by todays standards even if the vest was very 70's....

By the way did anyone see that news article about 'Burbank' in Bahrain recently?

[capt.cynical]

Re. "Burbank" alias M.K.:O

Please update and enlighten us, PM if sensitive.

[Green.Dog]

This thread is going the way of most threads in which "pattystacker and Twiggs participate ....closure by a mod.
Why dont you lot start up your own website and leave the rest of the more intelligent and firm wristed PPruners alone?

[cartexchange]

yes lower, what is this burbank in bahrain.... i'm interested as well

[lowerlobe]

capt.cynical & cartexchange.....

Check your PM's re Burbank......

LL

[PattyStacker]

Yeah close it and kick me off the site. I can always re-incarnate

[speedbirdhouse]

www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=1093160689