Janes Aviation Ltd

[JAN OPS 1]

Pleased to advise that Janes Aviation Ltd, has now had its CAA AOC & Class A Operating Licence issued.

[rufflegs]

Hope all goes well, will be nice to see the Budgie flying in anger once more, Good luck to all involved, tell NP the watch still going strong.

[doubleu-anker]

Good show chaps!:D:D:D:D:D:D

Now, who are you again? What sort of equipment do you operate? etc., etc.

[Mucky Devil]

HS748 cargo

[andyjanes]

OFFICIAL – Friday afternoon 25th April 2008 Janes Aviation Limited was issued with an Air Operators Certificate. Monday 28th April 2008 Janes Aviation Limited was issued with a Type ‘A’ Operating Licence. – The Budgie lives – long live the Budgie!!!

I would like to thank all the Emerald employees who enabled the recovery of that business back to profit in the first quarter of 2006.

Most will know the sequence of events but for the record here is my recollection.

In brief if we go back to August 2002 when I made the decision to buy the Streamline Group both to diversify the customer base from the highly concentrated exposure to Royal Mail to add another core customer in Federal Express and to build up a fleet of Shorts 360 aircraft to add to the two already in operation – that would complement the success of the HS748.

Over 80% of the business was then from these two customers.

I did not have the right crystal ball as in the first quarter of 2003 we were informed by Fedex that they wanted to upgrade from the Shorts 360 to the ATR42 but were not prepared to offer a contract to match the funding requirements for the ATR42.

Also in the same quarter Royal Mail announced the findings of their comprehensive Transport Review covering road, rail and air and had made the decision that from October 2003 they wanted all air services to be provided by “all weather, all jet, all container aircraft”. As Emerald was a major accredited Royal Mail supplier we were urged to participate in the tendering process. Initially based on the award of an eight year contract significant effort went into researching suitable airframes of 737-300 and 146-200 types for availability/conversion/finance with a broad understanding that this would be the future direction of the business.

Well into the proceedings having established genuine interest with financiers, conversion shops and a source of aircraft it became clear when the Post Office released the draft contract that it failed to meet the basic requirements to sustain funding. The only outcome was then going to be a combination solution for Channel Express and Titan who were already operators of the types.

I decided against the ‘circle the wagons’ option of downsizing the business and took a more optimistic view in the knowledge that the DHL Convair 580s were on ‘short finals’ and that the ATP was already establishing itself as the replacement for an eight tonne lift.

Considerable dialogue and negotiation took place with BAE and at that time little if any concern was identified by the experts in the Class E and transverse net restraint requirements to finish the large door conversion. This transverse net restraint system was modeled on the existing well established HS748 mod which Emerald had already introduced some years ago.

The option then was to either acquire ATPs from BAE or go independent. Detailed research was undertaken by Engineering, myself and other senior managers with quotes from third parties for the work into a complete project costing of buying and putting the three Biman ATPs and two USF ATPs into service. This preparation of the funding proposal was overseen by BDO Stoy Hayward. Based on this the independent route was projected to be significantly cheaper by approx $1mn per airframe and with better engine and major rotable lives.

Funding was obtained from Barclays based on the detailed funding proposal.

No need in this release to go into great detail save to say that the new Mods became a huge technical stumbling block not just in terms of cost but more importantly an extended timeline – not just for Emerald but also for BAE and their customers such as Magic Bird.

The extra funding required put the business into a different customer category with Barclays and our account management was transferred to Barclays Business Support at Leeds. This was despite the independent valuations of Air Claims which confirmed worst case that although we would not be saving the full $5mn as against having sourced aircraft from BAE we would still have saved money and ended up with better spec aircraft – with contracts lined up for the aircraft. BDO Stoy Hayward was brought back in at the request of Barclays and they validated the extra required funding and strongly recommended to Barclays to provide the necessary funding as required to ensure the extended timeline which was the critical point was kept to the very minimum.

Barclays dragged their feet and failed to bring in their own internal specialists on project finance and aviation. Emerald was then left under the ‘control’ of Barclays Business Support at Leeds who did not have any of the specialist skill sets necessary – preferring to take the simplistic approach that they should insist we engage turn round specialists that they had used previously (Colin Smith and his associate, Noel Lake) and a team from KPMG – none of whom had any prior knowledge or dealings with an aircraft operator.

In Jan 2005 I was summonsed to a meeting with Barclays to be told that on advice from KPMG they were going to immediately withdraw support from Emerald and put the company into Administration. I strongly urged them to reconsider as I had full confidence in a successful outcome with the dedication of the staff, further shareholder support and existing customers who were waiting on ATP availability. To back that I agreed to inject a further £500k to add to the £1mn the company had already on loan from my family. Barclays agreed but substantial cash then went out every month to KPMG and the other Barclays nominated advisors to the extent that even prior to administration some £700k had been spent at the behest of Barclays for no added value for any other stakeholder.

With an extremely difficult year in 2005 but by the first quarter of 2006 Emerald was back in profit and was servicing all Barclays loans and interest in full – fully justifying the underlying strength of the business. KPMG/Barclays caused severe disruption to the normal day to day workings of the business with senior managers including myself not able to do anything without their prior consent – they were in effect controlling the business.

In May 2006 without any specific warning a fax was received from the CAA advising the company that the AOC was being provisionally suspended that night due to concerns over crew training standards – copy letter available if anyone wants to see it. I immediately contacted Barclays Bank and they agreed that I should work with the CAA to scope out a recovery plan and undertake a financial damage assessment. The very next day Barclays took an entirely different course of action on the advice of KPMG and they brought in a potential investor, who claimed aviation expertise, to act as consultants on the promise that they would get the AOC re-instated in short order with new Form 4 post-holders – hardly a demonstration of any understanding of regulatory protocols. Inevitably Barclays came back to me after the damage had been done to ask me to invite KPMG in as administrators – I refused but they proceeded anyway by obtaining a Court Order.

The CAA took their course of action without any prior warning to me as the ‘controlling mind’ of the business. I would like to think that they genuinely believed a recovery plan without KPMG, Barclays and their advisors would have been realistically achievable. If anyone would like to supply me with any specific information concerning the demise of Emerald then I would be delighted to hear from you. I will be undertaking a forensic review of events leading up to the provisional suspension of the AOC with a view to taking action specifically against Barclays.

It is regrettable that certain individuals particularly if they are ex Emerald staff who wish to remain anonymous have seen fit to make personal attacks against myself and other senior management of Emerald in this forum – in particular Mick O’Brien. Whatever faults there were in the management of the business we all tried tirelessly to turn the Company around to avoid the fate which Barclays/KPMG had sought to achieve from January 2005 onwards. I hope the above will provide a taste of the background of events.

Information I have to date does identify certain misguided individuals who worked against the interest of the Company, staff, suppliers and customers by making unsubstantiated claims to the CAA without going through any of the company grievance procedures - for what? I cannot assess what effect that had on the thinking of the CAA but it could not have provided any constructive benefit. Maybe these are the same people who are blaming the management of Emerald.

JANES AVIATION LIMITED has been established to operate some of the ex Emerald 748s and I would welcome hearing from any ex Emerald staff who want to register any interest in employment. It is not going to be easy but no-one goes into aviation for an easy life!!

I believe the Emerald thread should now end and I welcome feedback to this notice and a positive vision for the future of HS748 operations.

Contact details:-

Janes Aviation Limited
48 High Road
Benfleet
Essex SS7 5LH

e-mail [email protected] ([email protected]) or [email protected] ([email protected]) or to me at [email protected] ([email protected])

[Nearly There]

Bravo chaps, I know there has been enough red tape, hurdles and the unforseens along the way.
Good luck all, and dust of your menus for Jaspers airside caff (when the LPL contracts come in):D

[JUSTWANTTOFLY]

Good luck wish I was there!:ok:

[AircraftOperations]

Got any contract work yet?
Available for ad-hoc work?

What's the story?

[doubleu-anker]

Thanks for that informative post.

Aviation needs more people like yourselves.

All the best for the future.

[lionel]

hope you get those Dart engines roaring soon

[dada]

a great story fro mr.j - so good i was nearly in tears. if i were steven speelburg and read all that id want to turn it into a blockbuster.
there are 2 sides to every story and a 'recollection' of events sound like something youd say in a police station when youv got soemthing to hide.
nonehteless, nice to see a trier and there aint many people out there in this climate starting an airline up (again). 21 years though since he started - must be a coming of age story .............
all the more reason to make a blockbuster out of it................

[sufferingspouse]

Whilst I wish the new venture good luck perhaps the statement regarding the events that proved to be the demise of the company should have been posted on the Emerald pprune threads two years ago rather than letting it run with wild speculation all this time. I am sure all the staff who worked for the company would have preferred honesty, however bad, from the outset.

[Mucky Devil]

The best of luck to AJ and the guys & gals in the new venture.
Thieving b@stards Barclays/KPMG - £700k!

[lagerlout]

To Andy and all those who are involved in I wish you all the very best for this venture.
Whatever criticims people lay at the floor of Managers of Emerald it afforded me some fantastic opportunities and allowed me to work with some amazing people.
It was a sad day when i was told its was all over!
I for one will have a smile on my face the day the budgie flys again.

[Maintrol Muppet]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Very happy to hear the news.
Good luck to everyone!!!!

[SM82]

As an Ex JEM Ops bod i wish everyone involved good luck.

Any idea when operations will commence/routes etc etc ????

PS Hows life then dada?

[Buster88]

I too have worked in Emerald ops (albeit briefly!) and have been following the thread - I'd just like to wish everyone involved with the new venture all the very best, it's great to finally hear that things are under way!

Steve Martin

[0523 cov man]

are you going to be working out of cvt :D

[dada]

shame about the name - thort it was crap first time round. doesnt have the same ring as laker dont you think

[straightnotlevel]

maybe phoenix airlines would have been better??

good luck to all involved !!!

hope to see some of you on the ramp in the p*ssing rain at 3am somewhere downroute !!

im sure we'll hear you coming !

ah.... its a great life.

[Expressflight]

G-AYIM was rolled out of Air Livery at SEN today with Janes Aviation titles.

[Ballymoss]

Or perhaps Phoenix Nights...........Brian Potter Airlines (Jerry, you've broke the bloody door!)

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[straightnotlevel]

any photos anywhere of paint job??

[Expressflight]

I don't know of any available photos at the moment, but I'm told by one source it is resplendent in the full colour scheme as shown on the Janes Aviation website, but someone else says that it is all white with titling only! Clarification anyone?

[exloadie]

maybe the sound of whinning drats will be heard in Liverpool again?

[dada]

drat and double drat

[bermudatriangle]

with the demise of euromanx,there must be a need for a papers and kippers run once a day ! worth basing a budgie at john lennon ?? maybe not...tough times ahead for for an avgas guzzling 748.can't help thinking that another type might be a better long term option...but who am i to comment.

[Nearly There]

tough times ahead for for an avgas guzzling 748

748s are JetA1, so maybe not tough times ahead as you predict:=

[bermudatriangle]

fuel is fuel...costs are all the same.....just believe 748's belong in an aviation museum..lots more fuel efficient hulls available.why waste time training crews to operate obselete aircraft?if janes is to compete in the freight market,upto date aircraft are a must.

[Nearly There]

But bear in mind, Janes know the 748 inside out and back to front, have in house engineering, a bloody big stock of spares, 748 type rated crew and bucket loads of experience.
As you say fuel is fuel, but its not only fuel you have to look at here. Surely its more cost effective, especially with a sart up, to work with what you have and reduce costs in other areas as above then why not stick with it, they do there job well for the environment they operate in.

[Say again s l o w l y]

There isn't much around to touch the Budgie, especially when you take into account the experience of operating the type.

The only other option is something like an ATR and the hull costs are much higher to start with.

It's not a glamourous machine, but it does do the job. The things that will kill old aircraft off are avionics upgrades.

[bermudatriangle]

concerned that post office contracts specify jet/all weather capability...budgie with no autopilot,poor bad weather performance/cat1 etc...just not the machine for the current market...let's face it,it's 40 years old !!!

[Expressflight]

While fuel costs will be greater for any given sector on the 748 than the ATP for example (I believe the former burns around 1100 l/hr and the latter 900 l/hr), the fixed costs will be much lower. For low utilisation contracts or ad hoc work Janes should still be able to offer attractive rates for that reason, plus the fact that they should be able to run a lean, efficient operation given their experience with the type.

I say good luck to them.

[bermudatriangle]

i wish them every success as well,just hope the 748 is a good long term aeroplane.can't help thinking a more modern type would ensure greater flexibility with contracts.

[SWBKCB]

Pic available on the Skyliner site - all white with large blue titles

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=4742

[boredcounter]

748 seems the obvious choice for Janes. Has any idea been made available yet regarding the contracts? Fuel burn in the right area of operation is not a concern, it will be factored in to the contract price, or bought by the charterer. Hull value of near to nil makes for a low bid price, more than equating to a good overall package price.

In the world of express package Ops, the network I work for has down sized a lot of feeder routes to perfectly adequate aircraft types, yet will happily throw a 757 at turboprop routes with only 5 tonne of freight, where CATII/IIIA/B capability required (More to loose than the cost differential)

Find the right contracts and there is (happily) life in the 748 yet.

Never worked for Janes, 748, or Emerald or the 'new' Janes, but had the pleasure of working Ops with the Budgie, it is a great machine. Long may it and Janes continue.

[supersnake]

i had the pleasue to work with the hs748 for nearly ten years on the ramp at liverpool got to no all the emerlds crew and opps well.,gayim looks good in its new colours good luck in the new venture:D

[Skystar320]

A 748 burns approx 780kilo's a fuel an hour, but in hindsight we use 800kilo's an hour...

[jungle juice]

A 748 burns approx 780kilo's a fuel an hour, but in hindsight we use 800kilo's an hour...
Skystar320,
What do you operate?

[jungle juice]

Skystar320,
Thanks for the answer but I think you are confused!

I saw this thread and was thinking about the HS748 I flew to Vanuatu when it was New Hebrides back in the late 60's.Is this the same aircraft updated and re-engined?
It doesn't seem possible.

[Expressflight]

Skystar320

Try reading my post again.

I said the 748 burns 1,100 litres/hr, not kg/hr. That equates pretty much with your quoted burn n'est-ce pas?

[Skystar320]

kilo / litre ratio is roughly 1 straight.............

[Expressflight]

Skystar320

In a word.... NO!

One litre of Jet A1 weighs between around 0.775 and 0.810 kg, dependent on the SG of the fuel.

[jungle juice]

kilo / litre ratio is roughly 1 straight...
Skystar320 ,You will find that is water not Jet A1.

Consulted two groups one in asia other in Africa not long ago about the use of a 748 in pax / cargo config
If you are a consultant you would have known the difference in weight between water and jet A1.

[Expressflight]

Up to about a week ago I understand 'IM had not flown at all since its arrival SEN - not even any crew training. I don't know if that situation has changed since it came out of the spray shop.

[lionel]

lets get those darts roaring

[basiljet]

i agree with lionel. we must haul and get them roaring once again.

[SM82]

Nice paint job

[straightnotlevel]

yeah looks nice

did they do it with a roller this time??

[Germstone]

straightnot level

we didnt just use rollers we used marks&spencers rollers :)

[newtimer2006]

Good luck to AJ and all he does.
Don`t take MOB on board though!!

[supersnake]

i agree good luck to aj and his crew but as long as he gives mob a wide birth no one wants him anywere near the new operation rip mob:ok:

[AVIATOR_2]

I am sure I am correct in noting this thread was created to bring about a positive feed for Janes Aviation.

For some of us it is an interesting and refreshing read.

Why do some individuals have to lower the tone to the same jargan that was posted on the later 'Emerald and the CAA'.

It shouldnt be what this new thread is about.

[Expressflight]

Perhaps JAN OPS 1 could give us an update on when operations are due to commence and a flavour of what form they will take. That would give us all something positive to talk about.

[flynowpaylater]

AVIATOR_2
Why do some individuals have to lower the tone to the same jargan that was posted on the later 'Emerald and the CAA'.

Answer is simple, there is the same common denominator. AJ will have his hands full convincing customers that the 748 is the right A/C, without the added burden of convincing them (and the CAA, and potential employees) that MOB has some how changed his ways.

Good luck Andy - just hope you don't make the same mistake twice - now that would be careless. :ugh:

[JAN OPS 1]

Thank you all for your interest.

We are currently investigating many commercial leads to secure suitable work for the HS748. We were unable to really push this area until the AOC & OL were issued.

One area of concern has been the many aircraft of non-UK and non-EU registers that are currently operating in the UK. Having gone through a very expensive and long-winded process to ensure that the HS748 meets all JAR-OPS requirements, including performance, it is a little galling to see these other operators (fine though they may be) who may be operating aircraft that do not necessarily meet the same JAR-OPS requirements we have had to meet.

On other fronts, as has been seen G-AYIM is now resplendant in the Janes scheme (with or without the extra dot's!). Work is underway to enable a TRTO approval so that we can train additional crews. The second aircraft G-OSOE is being prepared and will enter service shortly. Transition to EU-OPS is also in hand.

Will update as thing's develope.

JAN OPS 1

[joehunt]

JAN OPS 1

As far as foreign registered aircraft are concerned. You have my sympathy there.

This is what really bought Tradewinds down and possibly contributed to Anglo cargo's dimise. They were a good well run outfit's with UK reg and AOC. Unfortunately aircraft with african registrations and AOC's (bought in the bazaar), came in doing flights in and out of the UK along side the UK operators, at of course at less cost, so it does not take a bean counter to forecast the end result.

The UK authorities allowed this to happen and continue to happen to this very day and nothing seems to be done about it. I think it is an absolute disgrace.

[lionel]

GRRRRRRRRRRReat news, Hope Basiljet approves

[THE-BOOB]

Guys, the skystar is a kid with a version of microsoft flight sim 2000. just try looking through his other posts that are littered like ramenta throughout the entire pprune site.

Totally ignorant, totally arrogant. 15 or 16 max.

Every post he makes is basically a wind up. It has to be. Noone can be really as asinine as him!

[Expressflight]

AOC and Class A Operating Licence issued 5 weeks ago and still no reports of any flying having taken place.

Hope all continues to go to plan .........:bored:

[dada]

...to go to plan or go down the pan? (again)

[Low life]

Re: non-UK and non-EU registers that are currently operating in the UK.

Non-UK, I feel the CAA are missing the point, they are so paranoid with their opinion, all UK airlines are hell bent on degrading the 371, they are missing the point, it is not a change in the 371 we want, just a level, commercial, playing field in comparison with carriers from other EU countries.

Non-EU carriers are a different subject, the last freight application was only objected to by two airlines. If the UK’s airline management are not prepared to put the time and effort into producing viable objections, then we are just inviting these carriers in.

[JAN OPS 1]

Hi all.

No we have not done any flights so far. However the long term plan always expected that the take-up would be slow as, due to CAA restrictions, we were not able to go into the market place until we had the AOC & OL in place.

As you are probably aware, freight contracts tend to be for fixed period, so we are in the process of bidding for contracts starting later in the year, when they come up for renewal.

One advantage of "mature" equipment is that our overheads are low, so we are not burning the cash that we would be if we had ATR equipment on an expensive lease.

On other fronts our TRTO application is in, so we should shortly be in a position to start crew training. The second aircraft is nearly ready for delivery, this being one of our stated aims that we would not want to start a contract without a back-up, to ensure customer satisfaction.

Rgds

[Expressflight]

JAN OPS 1

Thanks for the update and best of luck in seeking out some contract work.

What about ad hoc though? I would have thought you were well placed geographically for that at an H24 airfield. I believe there is a Hungarian AN26 charter in SEN today for example, so there must be some of that type of work available n'est-ce pas? Or does the lack of a freight door preclude you from bidding for much of what is available?

[JAN OPS 1]

We have considered ad-hoc work, and will probably be open to that in the future, but aircraft like the AN26 which are cheap and also have the rear loading ramp tend to hoover up that sort of work now, especially the car parts which tend to come in large stillages which are a pain in the **** on the 748.

There is the 1 LFD 748 (G-BIUV) that Emerald had, but it is believed that it has been sold.

Rgds OPS

[Expressflight]

Ah yes! The good old Ford 'pigbins'.

[Doctor Cruces]

Can't help feeling a bit of "deja vu on the other foot" when someone from Janes complains about using foreign registered aircraft because they are cheap. Of course, Emerald NEVER did that!!

Doc C

[Mucky Devil]

Great to hear that things are progressing nicely.

Does J.A. still need 748-experienced crew?
I believe that some have applied but not heard a reply as yet.

[0523 cov man]

is bill comeing back

[dc9-32]

JAN OPS 1
Did you receive my PM ok ?
Thks

[Mucky Devil]

0523 Cov Man

Why - do you need another flying lesson from bill?

[jindabyne]

Cov Man

I meet Bill most days - do you have a message?

[joescan]

Good to see that they cant keep a couple of "old dogs down" I am so glad you got things going again, its been interesting watching from outside the aviation bubble, the developments of the last couple of years.

Its a shame that the rug was pulled initially and all the unhappiness and bad feeling it caused. All the best I am sure you will be very successful

[Expressflight]

I don't want to rain on Janes Aviation's parade, but can anyone remember an outfit who, nearly 2 months after gaining their AOC had not carried out a single revenue flight?

I really am surprised that no ad hoc work is being sought, nor that they seem at present to even be in a position to seek any from a crewing perspective. It's certainly a new angle on the high fuel cost problem - just don't fly and your fuel costs are zero!

I hope their pockets are deep enough to get through this inactive phase of 'operations'.

[dada]

are they still alive?

[JAN OPS 1]

Good morning, yes we are still here.

Work is still going on to secure the necessary contracts to start operations. We have considered the Ad-hoc market, but this is now the wrong time of year (factory shut down's, etc). As we have stated before, the low capital cost of the HS748 means we are not under pressure to fly "at all costs" which would be the position if we had an newer asset, on an expensive lease, sitting on the ground. Believe me, it is all in the plan.

One area we have been trying to get sorted is the question of crew training & TRE's on the HS748. As effectively the only operator of the HS748 in Europe, with only a few operating in Canada & Africa, the lack of a TRTO means we cannot train up new crews for any contracts. We have applied for a TRTO but the CAA have just moved the goalposts so we need to resubmit our manual. Currently we only have 1 TRE which is very limiting so we are looking at additional cover, but again the lack of other JAR OPS operators means there limited numbers of TRE's on the HS748. So if there any HS748 TRE / TRI's out there, please give us a call!

Thank you for your interest in Janes Aviation.

[dada]

thank you mr andy janes for that information

[JAN OPS 1]

Dada, you are more than welcome, but also completely wrong.

[dada]

sorry, wrong about what?

[Emeroid Eng]

Sounds like he's saying he's not AJ.

[dada]

what, andies someone else?

[Expressflight]

JAN OPS 1

Glad to hear that things are still going according to your plans.

I'm still puzzled, though, at your reluctance to carry out ad hoc charters. I know that things can go a little quiet in the summer but, for example, there were at least four ad hoc charters through SEN yesterday by aircraft with under 6 tonnes payload, including two German F27s. Ford traffic is always there to some extent and a quick call to their brokers (used to be Artac in my day) would let them know you were available.

Currently having an aircraft sitting idle on an H24 airfield in the south-east of UK is surely going to be of interest to the brokers and it would establish you as being back on the scene and operational.

Good luck anyway with your contract negotiations.

[Emeroid Eng]

There are rumours all over LPL that the scream of Darts is going to be heard within the week, the old 244-245 route is supposedly being resurrected.

Any truth in the rumours JANOps?

[lionel]

looking forward to hearing the roar

[Mucky Devil]

Is Roly not available?

[SM82]

244-5 wasnt that the daystop IOM?

[dada]

yes, and i know who made up the numbers...........

[GiveMeABreak]

Just to let all you budgie lovers know that 'IM was circuit bashing at SEN this afternoon.....

[Chille Con Carnie]

What time was this appox

[GiveMeABreak]

around 16:15Z, last one about 16:40Z

[Expressflight]

........... before departing to Blackpool apparently.

[Mucky Devil]

GAYIM arrived at Liverpool at 4pm and parked up.

[JAN OPS 1]

Hello all

Yes as you have seen we have moved the aircraft to Liverpool. We also conducted some refresher training at Southend yesterday (that woke them up!). The decision was made, as the aircraft had been sitting for a while, was to get it flying and fully operational so that we will be in a position to start operations. We decided to move it to Liverpool as the majority of the crews are local for ad-hoc charters.

The problems with the training are getting resolved and we should shortly be in position to start running training courses.

Commercially, we are beavering away and hope to had some good news shortly.

Thanks for all your interest

JAN OPS 1

[Mucky Devil]

It was great to hear the Darts again at LPL as it taxied in off R27 high speed exit. Currently parked on the 'south side' remote stands, next to the Electra. The aircraft looks good and clean in its new colour scheme. Just a hydraulic/oil smear on the outer right-main gear door. Gags in place with pole dangling from the tail and the props straight. Nice to see it back.

[HZ123]

Is it ever going to do any work because it cannot be kept for much longer as an orniment. I hope work picks up for it soon?

[Say again s l o w l y]

I thought you weren't going for ad-hoc charters?

An odd decision I thought, since that's where any freight business makes it's real money. Daily stuff just pays the bills.

Good luck anyway.

[Ametyst1]

I see there are now two '748s sitting at Liverpool Airport

[boredcounter]

Still uses Vodka burners in the UK.................................

Come on Andy, a parked 748 is wasted.

[JAN OPS 1]

In the style of Thomas the Tank engine....

One day, on the island of Sodor, the people were all upset! Timmy the Tug Boat had a stomach ache and couldn't delivery the newspapers (full of exciting offers for things could didn't need). Yesterday Ivan the Vodka Burner had delivered the newspapers from Nemoland, with his nephew Sammy the Saab, but had been sooo noisy he had frightened all the people.

But wait, help is at hand!. Sitting patiently in Peel Harbours is faithful old (but still trusty and reliable, not worn-out and knackered as some people had unkindly said), Budgie, the Cargo Plane!

With a top up of fuel and some of his special mixture, Budgie soon loaded the newspapers and was eager to be off! But no, the Island of Sodor was under a thick blanket of evil Fog, which was holding everybody up, including that shiny new Eduardo the Embraer from those nice people in Exeterland.

As time passed by Budgie was certain that all the nice people in Sodor were getting more upset, not being able to read about Posh & Becks etc. So with a song in his heart, he soared into the air from Peel Harbours (I did say it was a story) and when the saw the fog stopping him from landing at Sodor International Galactic Spaceport, with a mighty breath he cleared the sky of all the nasty fog and made an impressively smooth landing (I did say......), to cheering from the massed rank of the Sodor spotters club.

Ah, bless!

[stellair]

Great to hear the 748 is back where it belongs.......in the air. Superb airplane! Are you just operating the two or are there plans for more? Good luck to you....:ok:

[lionel]

was basiljet there too?

[JAN OPS 1]

Wasn't he replaced by Long John Silver the Dash (you know, the one with only one leg)?

[Air Mail]

Ignoring minima already then?!

[OPFW]

Air MailIgnoring minima already then?!
What a strange remark, why would you say something like that?:confused:

[JAN OPS 1]

Erm, perhaps people are reading far too much into what was meant to be a light hearted article. I am sorry if people are reading the words "wot i rote" and jumping to (wrong) conculsions.

The Company operates to the same standards as any other AOC approved operator, and complies fully with all applicable minima's etc.

JAN OPS 1

[dada]

like they've always done?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flynowpaylater]

In the style of Thomas the Tank engine....

"What will the Fat Controller have to say about then?, sighed Ian the Inspector from Gatport Airwick."

[lionel]

I've heard that Basiljet is now back in the country

[basiljet]

basiljet is hither with his tan and good fortune in place. is lionel going to far flung destinations with his pride.

[lionel]

Des D is in Scotland

[flynowpaylater]

Following the speculation of the fraggle rock route starting in Jul, are we to presume that the single flight with the papers was it?

What next for the budgies then? - it would seem that even when they are let out of the cage, they don't want to fly. My Gran had a budgie like that....then it got eaten by a cat.

[kick the tires]

Erm, perhaps people are reading far too much into what was meant to be a light hearted article. I am sorry if people are reading the words "wot i rote" and jumping to (wrong) conculsions.


Perhaps your implication that you can land when no when else could was not the best sentence in your story. It may seem light hearted to you but such rash comments will bring the spotlight onto your embryonic operation.

[lionel]

any information on the acquisition of a TRE?

[Nearly There]

748 under a training call sign at LPL yesterday..

[dc9-32]

Do Bishmillah Airlines in Dhaka have TRE ??

[lionel]

One of Westair Sweden's 748 TRE has also lost his medical

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Obviously no news - but any news about why there is no news?!

FOK :)

[flynowpaylater]

And why no news, about why there is no news about there being no news?

[Ballymoss]

So.............there's no news then? 'scuse my abrubtness, but is the latest incarnation of JAV on its ar$e?

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[JAN OPS 1]

Hello all.

Sorry for the lack of info, but personal problems have kept me occupied for the last few weeks.

As I have said in the past, the most important item for the long term goals of the operation has been to resolve the crew training problems.

To that end we have been putting the resources into solving that and, hopefully, after the CAA check ride next week will have resolved the problem so that we will be able to train up additional pilots to give us sufficient crews to start on contract work.

Rgds JAN OPS 1

PS After all the comments I have decided to give up my career as a comedy writer.

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Thanks for the snippet. Sounds like all is simmering away gently in the background?!

Let's hope all goes well with the check ride and that the training issues will finally be resolved.

FOK :)

[lionel]

Hope the Darts Roar into life soon

[flynowpaylater]

Now that Miniliner are in the UK as well with FK27's, where does this leave the poor old 748's? Still no flying, over 4 month's on from the AOC issue.

[HZ123]

It would be very nice if they could deliver one of the a/c to Duxford for the outside display. Best done now before they are impounded and eventually cut up?

[lpl approach]

There has been quite an amount of circuit bashing at Liverpool this week.

Maybe, just maybe.............

Lpl Approach

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Circuit bashing to be expected - and with intent.

Let's hope for a 'happy' post from those that know in the near future.

The static display at Duxford may just have to wait...

FOK :)

[EMERALD1]

I'm biassed but at least the budgies looked really good on the tarmac at Speke a couple of days ago; much more sparkling than ever they did in Emerald days. Could be an illusion of course.

Good luck E1

[flynowpaylater]

Heard a rumour that they are starting a contract from Coventry soon. Any more details?

[Legal Beagle]

Did I hear a Budgie trundling into Liverpool late last night?

Anyone have any news?

[dc9-32]

JAN OPS 1

You have a PM. Thank you.

[Nearly There]

Budgies looking good
I'm biassed but at least the budgies looked really good on the tarmac at Speke a couple of days ago; much more sparkling than ever they did in Emerald days. Could be an illusion of course.


Not an illusion Emerald1, a friend sent me this pic..could eat your dinner of her.....but Im biassed to:ok:




http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo342/bobster6009/JetPhotosnet-2.jpg?t=1221692678

[dada]

very nice - are these a/c static dispays or do they earn any money?
or, did mr j earn so much out of jem he can afford to paint a couple of 748's up with his name on them - like he shud have done all those years ago but never did

[exloadie]

Latest rumour is the I.O.M. flights will start SOON :D:ok:

[supersnake]

glad to hear there will be the hs748 in the air in liverpool again after loading the aircraft for over ten years it was a sad day when they went but hopefully they are back and more to follow long live gayim

[mecheli]

Nice to see that someone is still trying to get them airborne, I actually miss working with 'em believe it or not.

[JAN OPS 1]

Good morning all

Just a quick line to update you on progress.

The CAA check rides all went OK and we now have an approved TRE on the HS748. As soon as the CAA approve the TRTO application we will be looking at running a training course to get some more crews on-line.

As of Monday 29th September we will commence operations on the freighter service LPL-IOM-LPL, 5 days a week. Potential customer reaction to the new service has been positive and we would hope to bring onboard all those shippers who used to use the old Emerald service, which ran for many years.

Commercial activity is still focused on securing long term contracts, but the IOM freighter service will enable us, at long last, to commence operations.

JAN OPS 1

[Nearly There]

Thanks for the update JanOps 1, great news for everyone involved:ok:

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Excellent news.

No doubt the 'Falcon's Crutch' can look forward an increase in trade?!!!

Happy days...

FOK :)

[Nearly There]

And Caspers!

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Is there a timescale for the issue of the TRTO approval or is it in the lap of the (CAA) Gods?!

FOK :)

[flightlevel550]

Got my first glimpse of the Jane's HS748 in operation this morning at IOM :D

I was on stand when G-AYIM turned up. Classic aircraft and freighters are my thing, and really wished it was me sitting in the old budgie across the apron! sigh..:)

FL550

[SM82]

How have the payloads been on the LPL-IOM service?

[EI-CGO]

I'm sure there wont be any 'long term' contracts from Rathbone Place after the mess you left them in last time??

[Blue Coyote]

I recall previous posts that have been all doom, venom and spite from several people over and over again. :{

Andy appears to have worked tirelessly to get this going again. Perhaps we can just let folk get on with things now without feeling the need to try and spit in some-ones cornflakes all the time. :ok:

[supersnake]

after loading the hs748i n sunny liverpool for over 11 years am glad to see it back good luck to all involved
ps if you need a loadmaster pm me

[dc9-32]

JAN OPS 1

Do you reply to your PM's :confused:

[flynowpaylater]

Andy appears to have worked tirelessly to get this going again. Perhaps we can just let folk get on with things now without feeling the need to try and spit in some-ones cornflakes all the time. http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

I agree, AJ has worked very hard to get this whole thing up and running. I hope he does well but alas if the mobster is lurking in the background, as many seem to think he is, then most potential customers, staff etc...will give it a wide berth. That's a shame, but understandable.

[This is a crisis]

What has happened then? New freight service between IOM and Liverpool has been suspended due to 'handling' difficulties at Liverpool

:: Manx Radio :: Isle of Man News :: (http://www.manxradio.com/readNEwsItem.aspx?id=26574)

[JAN OPS 1]

The demise of Flight Support has produced some difficulties with operating the service out of LPL in the morning - a flight this week suffered an hours delay waiting for a GPU despite alternative arrangements being put in place. This is affecting the customer service levels, not a good thing with a new operation.

The loads have not been great, with us carrying more off the island than in, however this was to be expected after such a gap, and the economic situation is not helping. However it's now up to the shippers to use the service - or lose it if they don't want it!

JAN OPS 1

[EI-CGO]

Venom and Spite it simply isnt.

Lots of good people lost a great deal because of one mans reckless arrogance.

Why do you think its not busy? Do you think we have all forgotten the mess that was left?

[FlyingOfficerKite]

It's a real pity.

It wasn't just the clients of course who lost a great deal. The employees and service staff also.

Lucky indeed that time and fate produced easyJet and Ryanair to provide alternative employment at Liverpool at the height of the low-cost 'boom'.

Maybe the tide has gone out, who knows?!

Good luck for the future - maybe this time it will be luck that wins the day as other factors are not favourable.

Would you go to Hell knowing the Devil was still there? The only way to make Hell an attractive place is to get rid of the Devil - and prove that he's gone, whatever that takes.

FOK :(

[AVIATOR_2]

Oh here go the witches again around the cauldron .... cackle cackle.

...... coinsidently the same bunch. I suppose every playground has them.

Didnt take long for the tone to be lowered did it.

If you knew the actual facts then maybe I could join in the playground and say ner ner ner ner hahahahaha.

Good Luck to Janes Aviation :ok:

[flynowpaylater]

AVIATOR - I think most people on here wish AJ good luck....but that's where it stops. His side kick trod on many toes not so long ago, and those toes are attached to the feet that are now kicking back.

This isn't school, it's business and a lot of people, including AJ, lost a lot of money and business because of one persons recklessness and disregard for others.Not to mention the hard working staff that lost the livelihoods.How do you think they feel about the new venture with that individual involved?

re arrange the following.
COFFEE, UP, SMELL, WAKE, AND, & THE.:ugh:

[dada]

Liverpool – IOM cargo flight axed – after 9 days : Liverpool Airport News Stories (http://www.uk-airport-news.info/liverpool-airport-news-111008.htm)

love to hear from janops1 re what now?

[Expressflight]

I still think Janes missed a trick by not getting involved staight away in the ad hoc market. That would have built operational credibility within the broking market and earned some useful revenue.

It's pretty feeble to say that with the aircraft based at SEN originally (and in my view one of the ideal places for ad hoc opportunities) but with crews living near LPL it was not realistic to tout for ad hoc charters. What sort of operation does not co-locate its aircraft and crews?

You're either a fully operational AOC outfit or you're not.

[lpl approach]

Just read on another site that the LPL - IOM service has been pulled.

Any truth in this ?

LA

[lfc84]

IOM-LPL > Pulled from when ?

[Say again s l o w l y]

Oh dear.

Having spoken to a few freight brokers in the past, I'm not surprised by any of this. Too much mud has been flung in the past and people have memories of the appalling reliability that was suffered towards the end of JEM. There was almost a sense of wanting the project to fail from some of the people I spoke to. A bit nasty, but there you go. A lot of people were left in the doo doo by Emerald and some of them are now in positions to get a bit of "pay back". Not exactly a professional attitude, but understandable in a way.

I actually wanted this project to work, not because of any daft ideas like seeing clapped out old budgies in the air again, but because a British company getting back into air freight successfully might help halt the expansion of the eastern european cut price operators.

I hope this is just a blip, but nearly 6 months on and with virtually no flying, that does not make for a good return on investment.

[EI-CGO]

People can point the finger all they want, and yes to an extent it is a bit childish all this mud slinging, but to those who lost considerable sums of money ithis is anything but childish, it has a greater impact than people realise, all very well to give the doubters a hard time just because of some sentimental notion of seeing a clapped out (albeit nostalgic) aircraft take to the skies again, or the raw naievity of those looking for the first step on the ladder, but you have to get into the real world.

Unless there is a monumental shift of power at the RM, they wont get within 100ft of a mailbag, indeed having their eggs in one basket as it were forced RM to re evaluate their policy and speeded up the introduction of the Jet network, that is fact, and even if RM took them back, its scraps left over as the likes of BAC etc have found. They are a victim of their (or JEMs) initial collapse.

The aircraft is too old for the integrators, and anyone who has spent a day with any of the Charter brokers will tell you that the ad-hoc market is not what it was and the Latvians, Hungarians etc etc do the same job at a cheaper price. Lets face it, the guys at Kingston pretty much rescued the RM when the Skynet network collapsed so thats hardly going to be forgotten about either, and they seem to have whats left in the UK wrapped up. Of course we would all love to see a UK company do well, but its just not realistic in the current climate, not helped of course by the spector of you know who lurking in the background.

Putting any bitterness aside, its always been impossible to see how this can work, I just hope their isnt too many people out there given them credit.

[Smeagels Boyfriend]

flynowpaylater

Ok i think i'm there, i've been up all night re-arranging that sentance and i think i've got it.


UP THE COFFEE WAKE AND SMELL

[flynowpaylater]

SB.
Your Mummy will be very proud of you. :D

[lpl approach]

It appears that both 748's have now departed Liverpool for Blackpool.

LA

[dada]

Why's That Then

[Ballymoss]

Why's That Then

For a dose of C&M no doubt, or more than likely so AMS can strip 'em!
Is it curtains for JAV Mk (whatever)? Who knows how much AJ wants to bleed on this one. They just can't shake off the legacy of the MO'B. Customers don't/wont forget..........tainted, or maybe rotten to the core.

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[Smeagels Boyfriend]

Yeh someone needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

[AVIATOR_2]

All I am trying to put across is that MOB like the rest of us had a boss who he worked for, adheared to and reported to.

The top notch of any Company holds the puppit strings and no one is that nieve.

At the end of the day AJ employed MOB for many years, not just a matter of months or weeks but infact a lifetime and if what you said where true then I am sure that would not of been the case.

Your views of what fellow customers think of MOB are infact incorrect .... and that is coming from the horses mouth.

People are interested to see the progress with Janes Aviation and are not really interested in tit for tat pointing fingers which as a reader is now boring.

:ok:

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Maybe one problem is that of size.

Emerald was the largest operator of the HS748 in the World.

Now with only 2 aircraft currently 'ready to go', perhaps the previous client base perceives this as a problem?

Additionally, there is no way they could take on large contracts, again through lack of aircraft (and currently crews as there appears to be no sign of TRTO approval?).

Janes Aviation seems to be hoping to pick up where Emerald left off.

Unfortunately the World has moved on and two years might prove to be too long in aviation in this respect.

I suppose to the outside world Janes is just Emerald under another name - same aircraft, same people and, it maybe assumed, same problems.

It's sad.

They thought it was all over with Emerald, maybe with Janes it is now?

Best wishes to all involved because it must have been one hell of a year!

FOK :)

[dada]

I agree AJ was MOB'S boss but AJ was always a sucker for bullsh1t and particularly from someone who spouted it from the rooftops. that said, given it was MOB's arrogance that cost AJ a business he built up from scratch over 20years ago

[Ballymoss]

At the end of the day AJ employed MOB for many years, not just a matter of months or weeks but infact a lifetime and if what you said where true then I am sure that would not of been the case.


The MO'B joined a business that was at least six years old and doing well. Twelve or thirteen years later, it was on its a**e. His doing. A lifetime, I think not. (By the way it's 'were' and 'have')

Your views of what fellow customers think of MOB are infact incorrect .... and that is coming from the horses mouth.


Please quantify 'fellow customer'. I wasn't one, were you? I stand by my comment that 'shafted' customers don't/wont forget. Which horse was it, remember MO'B held the reins on the operation.

People are interested to see the progress with Janes Aviation and are not really interested in tit for tat pointing fingers which as a reader is now boring.


What progress? The aircraft are parked. There's no tit for tat and, fingers don't need pointing, just follow your nose. AJ's seemingly undying faith in the MO'B has led him to p*ss an awful lot of money up the wall over the years.

You may have me down as some bitter and twisted ex JEM employee but, you'd be wrong, thankfully I have never worked for any incarnation of JAV.....

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[dada]

this threds pretty dead, is the airline alive or is that dead to?

[Germstone]

It would seem a certain ex emerald licenced engineer is now advertising the virtues of visiting the IOM.

if your reading ...Hello Keith :)

[Mucky Devil]

Any news on the TRTO approval?

IM and OE in BLK having maintenance, i believe.

Shame that the potential Fraggle Rock customers were reluctant to commit. Obviously, they don't care if the Kippers go by slow-boat and newspapers that they read are yesterday's!

In time it will succeed

[OPSQUEEN]

Oh dear oh dear

[Nearly There]

Anyone know whats going on then?

[Say again s l o w l y]

Oh dear, oh dear is about the right comment really.

If the a/c are in BLK for maintenance, then I'm from Turkmenistan.

(Small hint, I'm not....)

[Ste_P]

Do they have postcards in Turkmenistan?

Good luck with the JAN602 series which looks to be starting tonight! ;)

[Say again s l o w l y]

http://www.mmmarquees.co.uk/images/carpet-white-290.jpg

A white carpet is a symbol of good luck in Turkmenistan!

[SM82]

JAN602? What flight is this then?

[KYGMSY]

Did STN-BFS this morning, and down for STN-EDI tonight. A Royal Mail route?

[JAN OPS 1]

A quick update for all our fans.

Yes IM & OE have been at Blackpool for maintenance.

Yes we are flying a short series for the Post Office.

The TRTO process is still ongoing, with meetings with CAA in early December.

Rgds JAN OPS 1

[EMERALD1]

I guess you'll be doing a lot more than a short series once those Christmas cards & parcels start circulating

Good luck

E1

[SM82]

Nice to hear they are still flying

[mikehammer]

Good luck Jan Ops 1. Stay in the fight.

[cruiseczechs]

Saw the 748 fleet (including OE) when I visited BLK on a charter on Sunday, a few of them looked sad and neglected, but glad to hear that at least a couple of them still flying.

Fingers crossed for all concerned. :D

[Mucky Devil]

(ASB) Ashgabat Airport Departures, Arrivals, and Information (http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/airportDetails.do?airportCode=ASB)

Say Again Slowly

Nice carpet, but a bit small for travelling home to Ashgabat.
I have put a link to Turkmenistan Airlines as i think it might be more comfortable for you.

[Say again s l o w l y]

Thanks for that, but I think I'll risk the carpet, it has a better safety record.......

Glad to see I was wrong.

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Just to keep this Thread on the first page!

Any news or views?

It's all gone very quiet.

FOK :)

[splitscreen fan]

I m Sure Andy is going to be working his bol--x off the christmas .
keep up the good work and dont listen to the haters

[dada]

WHERE ARE ANDYs BOLLOCKS NOW ? are they still parked up at blk or doing something useful other than looking pritty.

[JAN OPS 1]

Good morning all, and may I say a Happy Christmas & a prosperous New Year to all our readers.

Our short series of flights for the Post Office went off as planned. The CAA have completed their review of the TRTO application and we expect written approval shortly. The CAA Flight Ops performed an audit and that went OK apart from the normal moans about crew & paperwork!

There have been many comments posed about the lack of flying, so perhaps a few words on the commercial front may be in order. Unlike passenger flying, where it is down to the airline to select the route, advertise it and then start flying, the vast majority of cargo operations are on behalf of specific customers, such as the Post Office, Courier Companies or Freight Agents. When a contract is signed, it is normally for a specified period, with specific break clauses. Thus we have to wait until the contracts are up for renewal before we get a chance to bid for the work, unless, for example, another operator goes out of business.

Ad-hoc work is very variable, with a lot being motor manufacturer based which is going to take a big hit as most motor plants seem to be going on short time working.

That said, in the current business environment, a lot of customers are reviewing their air networks to ensure that they meet their requirements. This may mean that customers are looking to downsize from a larger aircraft to something a bit smaller, or they may decide that a specific route needs a separate operation. Conversely this may mean that routes are combined and need to use a larger aircraft. We are in constant communication with potential customers and running quotations for all sorts of operations. However, while it is still unclear how deep/long this period of recession is going to be, customers are waiting to see what happens. Luckily we are in a position where we can wait out this delay without it costing the earth.

As a final point, there have been some derogatory postings, about our progress (or perceived lack of). We feel this is a little unfair, as we have tried to keep the broader aviation community apprised of our progress (where are the similar threads from West Atlantic, HD Air etc?), while respecting commercial sensitivity. While we will endeavour to keep this thread going in the spirit in which it was started, the people who need to know do not rely on this for their information.

Rgds JAN OPS 1

[mikehammer]

Well said. The very fact that you're still hanging in there is a testament to the strength of your company and its business model (excuse the hackneyed management psychobabble) in these slow times.

Once again good luck.

[FlyingOfficerKite]

Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year to all those involved.

KR

FOK :)

[SM82]

Been a few weeks since last update anybody with any news?

[lionel]

Any update on the TRTO?

The CAA have completed their review of the TRTO application and we expect written approval shortly.

[Doctor Cruces]

"The CAA Flight Ops performed an audit and that went OK apart from the normal moans about crew & paperwork!"

Wasn't that part of the original problem? Standing by to be corrected if I'm wrong.

[JAN OPS 1]

TRTO : At the moment there is no point running courses etc until there is work for the crews. This is to both save resources and not to build people's hopes up during this time of diminishing crew opportunities

AUDIT : When you only have a small number of operations to be checked the CAA went through every set of return flight paperwork, and all they came up with was a minor mathematical error and a couple of missing signatures. Hardly the end of the world (you find me any airline that doesn't have on-going problems with crews completing paperwork).

JAN OPS 1

[Ballymoss]

At the moment there is no point running courses etc until there is work for the crews

That is the really disturbing part of your otherwise upbeat post.I doubt you can answer if or when that work might come.....

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[Say again s l o w l y]

9 months without much flying? Ouch, someone is taking a bath on this big time.

[High'n'Low]

About 6 mths ago I saw one of the good old 748s on approach into Liverpool. Brilliant sight. That was some fabulous flying experience. Any chance of a visit for nostalgias sake JAN OPS??
Hope it goes well for you.

[dada]

saw a 748 climbing of 10 today at bpl - lovely sight, even lovelyer sound. things looking up???????????????

[Germstone]

Not sure if it was a janes aircraft there was talk of G-BIUV being ready for export??

[lionel]

Is this the end of the Janes rebirth? I hope not, has anybody got any news?

Not sure if it was a janes aircraft there was talk of G-BIUV being ready for export??

[horatio_b]

Senegal was mentioned

[lionel]

Are there any 748 type rated pilots left?

Is this the end of the Janes rebirth? I hope not, has anybody got any news?

Not sure if it was a janes aircraft there was talk of G-BIUV being ready for export??

[Nearly There]

Are there any 748 type rated pilots left?


You mean in the UK? if so yep there is, and a TRE.

Not sure if it was a janes aircraft there was talk of G-BIUV being ready for export??

Janes A/C are G-AYIM & G-OSOE.

[FlyingOfficerKite]

What do the 748 pilots do for the 360 days of the year they're not flying (assuming training and testing takes 4 days and one day off for Christmas)?

FOK :)

[lionel]

Has Janes got there TRTO operating then?

You mean in the UK? if so yep there is, and a TRE.

[dada]

despite it going bust,mrj must have made plenty from emerald in order to prop up this reincarnation. quite unique really, an airline that doesnt have any flights.

[Mucky Devil]

I believe that the TRE was a former LTC and long-term ex-employee of Emerald. He managed to jump through the necessary CAA hoops despite not having flown much since Emeralds demise - Bloody Well Done, PK!

Let's hope that whoever is in charge of the Commercial Dept is working 24/7 to a secure a Contract.

[Expressflight]

G-OSOE was reported inbound to Southend this morning using a training flight number.

[EMERALD1]

Well done PK.
Spent many a Sat evening with PK having a glass in the dreadful Ascot hotel in Douglas IOM.
He was still happy to talk about 3rd segment climbs at midnight!!!
Good luck

[lionel]

Any news on when the main crew training will happen?

G-OSOE was reported inbound to Southend this morning using a training flight number.

[lionel]

That is not good news

I heard a rumour tonight that AMS in Blackpool (Originally Emerald Airways Engineering) is to close up shop at the end of March.

Anyone know if this is true or where the aircraft remaining there are going?
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[Expressflight]

Both Janes' 748s are now sitting at SEN, with 'IM having arrived today.
Don't know what that's all about.

[dada]

i believe theyre called wots nown in the industry as a static dispay

[Expressflight]

Perhaps JAN OPS 1 would be kind enough to give us an update regarding this apparent move south.

[Germstone]

I am guessing with the impending closure of AMS at BLK that Janes have moved the aircraft back to SEN and are outsourcing there maintenance elsewhere.

[Ballymoss]

I am guessing with the impending closure of AMS at BLK that Janes have moved the aircraft back to SEN and are outsourcing there maintenance elsewhere.

How very profound and, I am guessing, perhaps somewhat tongue in cheek...

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[Germstone]

"UV" departed BLK today to pastures new

ETA

A large part of aircraft G-BPNJ (ex ZS-ODJ) departed BLK today in the form of scrap in skip wagons.

G-OPFW faces the same fate very soon.

[Sir Stanley Bigh]

Slightly off topic but has anyone seen the Visit IOM advert on TV featuring none other than Keith Shawcross?

[Nearly There]

He has been spotted, Germstone mentioned it back on page 9.

[AVIATOR_2]

Good Advert. One of those moments where you think 'where do I know that face from' !

Any further news on Janes ? The closure of BLK could not of come easy!

[lionel]

Is this the end of the road for the 748 in the UK?

Any further news on Janes ? The closure of BLK could not of come easy!

[Mucky Devil]

Anyone else heard the rumour that the 748s maybe going to a hot, sandy place where they wear tea-towels on their head? :eek:

[Ballymoss]

a hot, sandy place where they wear tea-towels on their head:D

No, they've already been and left BLK!

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[Germstone]

Anyone else heard the rumour that the 748s maybe going to a hot, sandy place where they wear tea-towels on their head?

doubtfull the AMS hangar that can only usually Accommodate 4 748's currently has 6 748s and an ATP inside!

ZS-ODJ (G-BPNJ) wings cut off tail cut off being stripped
G-OTBA condition as above
G-ORAL as above
G-ATMJ as above
G-OPFW as above
G-SOEI being worked possibility it will fly again maybe somewhere hot

G-BEJD outside storage possibility of preservation at LPL

G-BVOU outside storage future uncertain
G-BVOU as above

apparently that's how it currently stands from what I have been told??

[dada]

when will they be cutting up the 2 that andy janes seems to have no use for?

[Doctor Cruces]

Dada,

So bitter and twisted. You must have been a long term employee and haven't finished the counselling yet!!!

:ok:

Doc C

[dada]

15 years man and boy and for what. you're right, but aren't i really also deep down. it aint goin nowhere.........

[READY MESSAGE]

I saw the 2 aircraft at SEN the other day. All 'bunged up' with nowhere to go. SEN was full of ex airliners, Flightline 146s with tractors in front of them, Emerald S360 and a few larger aircraft - A320 & B737 all looking like they're rotting away....maybe the 748 fate is the same now they are there....??

I'd never describe dada as being bitter....sometimes twisted perhaps, but not bitter..... How u doing dada?

[lionel]

Is this a sad end to the 748?

[Say again s l o w l y]

Well, it's coming up to 12 months since the AOC was issued. There is still no flying or contracts and the engineering base has closed.

It isn't looking good unfortunately.

[HZ123]

As someone not even that close to cargo world the whole scheme seemed fraught at the outset. A number of these old ladies that were brought to the UK from Aus are waiting to be cut at SEN, which is surely the end for Jane. Give them to a museum like DUX while they can still fly in.

The aircraft are too old and expensive to operate with a very limited uplift. Mind full marks for trying. How many crews are there for the two frames and what are they at if there is nil flying?

[Mucky Devil]

Ref the crews - all are Captains, some are semi-retired and some busy earning a crust. I believe that F/Os would need training up, as and when it was worth doing so.
If the 748s go to the sandpit then the guys willing to fly them will no doubt be reduced.

Did anyone else see on NW news last week, a Shed fusilage (G-SSWE if recall correctly) being delivered as a classroom to a school in Stoke.

Ballymoss: You're right! BLK is a hot and sandy place, requiring knotted hankie on head, when compared to the delights Fraggle Rock!
As the late Nick Holmes used to say: EG NH (nice holidays) and EG NS (never sunny)

As for Keith, good guy but he always seemed to be on his sodding boat when he was required at Ronaldsway :rolleyes:

[Germstone]

Yes it would appear SSWE is now on a second lease of life as a classroom will certainly be an interesting environment for the kids to learn in :-)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/30/article-1165888-042ECAB2000005DC-965_634x423.jpg

[HZ123]

Off Subject; Yesterday I was pleased to note three Shorts 360 parked on the Cargo area of MIA and during my couple of days all seemed to have been in service. A little corner that is still England?

[Doctor Cruces]

Dada,

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Any punters probably know who's involved and ran a mile. The famous quote "They think we're sh1t, wait til they try the others, they'll soon be back" don't wash any more and has proved to be so.

Doc c

[AVIATOR_2]

The new set up has been managed by AJ and his two sons alone.
Several of the old EA boys where recruited as part of pilot recruitment.
One ops manager who was an ex EA consultant was also recruited.
No one else chose to get involved - fact.
It was always going to be tough going trying to resurrect Janes.
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p.s on a private off topic note, canny locate private mail, would like to congratulate the happy parents to be! hot moma alert!! superb couple :ok:

[dada]

as billy ocean said.
when the going gets tough, the tough gets going

[AVIATOR_2]

:ok: certainly does dada

[Doctor Cruces]

I am obviously reliably misinformed!!

Apologies for my mistake.

Doc C

[zekranoplan]

If anyone is interested, crews are required by a British company in Ghana, one month on, one month off. I dont know the salary or any other details but can find out if anyone is interested.

[Expressflight]

Would that fit with what I was told a few weeks ago - that AJ had received enquiries from potential clients for work in Africa to replace Russian types currently in use?

[petersgirl1]

Interested???:)

[dc9-32]

zekranoplan - check your PM please. Thks

[zekranoplan]

Expressflight

I am not directly involved with the Ghana operation so I know very little about it. I was just asked if I knew any 748 pilots.

I understand they already have a 748 in Ghana and require pilots with time on type, and I dont think they need operations or other staff.

[dada]

see cargo pilot life #19!!!!!!!! its true.

[Da Do Ron Ron]

I read somewhere that MK were going to trial 748 feeder flights in Ghana, maybe I'm wrong, usually am when I post :)

[Ballymoss]

MK,Ghana,748:eek: What a delightful mix, more like a witches potion:sad:

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

[Emeroid Eng]

Whilst diving up at Capernwray, I mentioned to the owner that I knew of a company scrapping some aircraft.

A few phone calls later, it looks like we are going to have the largest sunken airframe to dive on in UK inland waters.

It will be very strange to see her under 20m of water, I'll post pic's of her sinking when it happens on my Facebook page.

Capernwray Diving and Leisure Ltd (http://dive-site.co.uk/news.asp)

Hope all you EAL guys are doing well