Deer Air in China, info pls?

[Elmer_mt]

Anybody who has applied thru Rishworth Aviation, for a contract with Deer Air in Beijing China? I'd appreciate any info. Thanks.

[Diamond Girl]

are you talking about Deer Jet?

[Elmer_mt]

I guess so, that's the one setting up the airline, used to be in corporate aviation but now venturing with Hainan Airlines Group, at least that's what I got from their brief... any way I need any info fm guys already there? are you? would appreciate any additional info, THANKS

[beluga0703]

Anyone has taken up the contract yet? They have increased their pay and bonus.

[NEDude]

Interested in this as well. Anyone know of a good source of info on living in Xian China for Americans?

[snow dragon]

hi guys im living here in bj and actually went to the interview with hainan air/deer airlines about 3 weeks ago and they said i have a start just waiting for an email.My understanding is spend a short time with deer to polish the skills before moving on to grand china airlines the international side of hainan airlines progreesing to the right hand seat of the a330 on international sectors.One thing nothing to much said of tc spose that might be in the email

[Elmer_mt]

would appreciate hearing from anyone who'd been to Xi'an China? or to the A320 captain interview? thanks again guys.:)

[flyca]

The following was forwarded to me by a Chinese friend, he saw the job listing for A319/A320/A321 foreign Captains advertised by Deer Air, a unit of HNA Group (HNA Group is the parent of Hainan Airlines), on a Chinese civil aviation website - CARNOC.com (seems they have an English version at http://en.carnoc.com/ (http://en.carnoc.com/), but the job listings toward the bottom of English version's homepage actually link you back to the job listings in Chinese). Hopefully this helps.

1. Provision of Crew Members
1.1 Party B agrees to supply Party A with Crew Members in accordance with the requirements of Party A:

Captains of A319/A320/A321
The final number and the list of names of the Crew Members shall be defined in the Appendix of this Contract signed by both parties. If Party A wishes to require more Crew Members from Party B during the period of this Contract, both parties shall sign the complemented contract based on this Contract.1.2 Party B guarantees to provide Party A with the Crew Members who have the following certificates, qualifications and experience.

Be a citizen of a country with diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China；
Hold a current and valid Airline Transport Pilots License and First Class Medical Certificate issued by the civil aviation authority concerned of the ICAO member state in accordance with the requirements specified in the relevant Appendix of the ICAO "International Civil Aviation Treaty". The Airline Transport Pilots License shall not contain any notes not in line with standard of ICAO；
Be a citizen of ICAO member state；
Each Captain should have flown a minimum of 4,000 flight hours in total in all aircraft types to date with a minimum of 500 PIC hours on type；
The ability to carry out aviation and daily communications in fluent English and to hold or have the ability to hold the ICAO English Level 4 Certification；
The type-rating (type 1) landing standard and have ability to land the aircraft to a minimum of ICAO Category I level, that is RVR(including CAT I).
No record of flight accident；
No criminal record, which shall be issued by the pilot’s nationality country, area or the pilot’s resident country, area (the resident certificate is required), and the record must be legally notarized by the same country, area. The no criminal record and the notary shall be issued on the date which is in the range of 6 months before the investigation date；
Hold a security evaluation letter issued by his original airline company employer for the purpose to confirm that he is qualified to be an airline transportation pilot;
Have flown within six (6) months from date of application and for the purpose of keeping the validity of the license, the last "Proficiency Test" for pilots is still within the term of validity;
Signed the Specific Service Contract with Party B.
Other conditions that Party A considers as a necessary.1.3 Party B assures to the best of its abilities that the documents of Crew Member provided to Party A on above Clause 2.2 are true, legal and effective.
1.4 Party B assures that the Crew Member provided to Party A has following profession inspirits:

will at all times observe appropriate rules and regulations of Party A;
will impart their professional experience and expertise in a training environment throughout the Contract;
Implement work and responsibility actively during his whole service period;Every effort shall be undertaken by Party B to ensure that the selection of Crew Members will be made to meet the above requirements and suitability to Party A’s operation and ensure that every Crew Member shall have an active involvement in teamwork. Crew Members who fail to observe China law, regulation and rule, and rules and corporate manual of Party A will be punished in accordance with the proceedings as stipulated in the manual.
Terms

According to this Contract, the Crew Members provided by Party B shall be on dedicated assignment to Party A from the signing date of this contract. The completion date of this Contract shall be the same date as the completion date of the service provided by the last Crew Member. The assignment term regarding the provision of Crew Members services to Party A is specified in the attached Appendix.
In case either party proposes a renewal of this Contract that party shall give sixty days prior written notice to the other party before the completion date specified in the Appendix, both parties will sign the renewal contract after the agreement in negotiation.2. Flight Time Limitation and Vacation
2.1 Flight Time:

Each Crew Member during the service provided for Party A shall fly 80 block hours, but shall not fly beyond monthly, quarterly and annual flight hour limitation strictly specified by CAAC.
Deadhead time shall not be credited as monthly block hour.2.2 Vacation:

Duty Free Days (excluding day off after the assignment):the Crew Member shall be entitled to have 8 days free of duty per calendar month.
Annual Leave (excluding day off after the assignment):Each Crew Member shall be entitled to have four weeks per year paid annual leave accrue during the term of providing service to Party A and such annual leave be available from the seventh month after the Contract has come into force. The rostering of annual leave shall be arranged by Party A subject to the business requirement. Accrued outstanding Annual leave shall be rostered.
Leave of Absence for Illness:In any 12 month period during the assignment, each Crew Member shall be entitled to have paid leave for illness to a maximum of 12 days. However, leave of absence for illness taken by each Crew Member shall be no more than two days per month. And, duty free days and annual leave will be deducted accordingly in case that the days taken as paid leave for illness is beyond the quota above. The Crew Member shall provide a medical certificate or emergency treatment certificate issued by a hospital. If the Crew Member is not in the base residence, the Crew Member shall provide a medical certificate or emergency treatment certificate issued by a registered doctor or hospital. Those who cannot provide the above certificate shall be dealt with as people absent from work without good reason.
Fee:discussion
Notice
: Deer Air Co., Ltd.
Post Address: 10th Floor of Kong-Gang Technical Building, No.28, Tian-Zhu Road, Area A, Shunyi Tianzhu Airport Industrial Zone, Beijing, P.R.China
Postcode: 101312
Fax: +8610 - 64506313
Liaison Officer: Ms. Duan Yulan
Email: [email protected] (Please quote "CARNOC.com" as reference source)

[B737NG]

Quote:
Every effort shall be undertaken by Party B to ensure that the selection of Crew Members will be made to meet the above requirements and suitability to Party A’s operation and ensure that every Crew Member shall have an active involvement in teamwork. Crew Members who fail to observe China law, regulation and rule, and rules and corporate manual of Party A will be punished in accordance with the proceedings as stipulated in the manual.

Read the above printet words carefully please. Have you been in Asia before? Do you know how that works since thousands of years? You do your job and by doing so you can still upset someone in the company and therefore you need to be punished..... Do not forgett: PRC has still the Capital punishment in force, US has it as well, with pleasure you will be punished as a fearing excercise to show the power a administrator has. Be warned, it is not that easy as it lookes like. Charly had his problems as well and got cought up.

Fly safe and land happy

NG

[slyde55]

So if someone bends an airplane, they hang the Captain? Anyone with some info please advise conditions in China.

Much appreciated

[On Final]

I think they hang the Captain in Central and South America too. Someone has to pay..!

Story 1:


Garuda Indonesia pilot arrested over crash-lawyer

Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:52am GMT


(Adds pilots' protest, details of arrest)

JAKARTA, Feb 5 (Reuters) - The pilot of a Garuda Indonesia aircraft that crashed at Yogyakarta airport killing 21 people last year has been arrested by police on charges that include manslaughter, his lawyer said on Tuesday.

Captain Marwoto Komar, who was arrested on Monday after eight hours of interrogation, was also charged with other offences including violating aviation law and could face more than five years in jail, the pilot's lawyer Muhammad Assegaf said. The Boeing 737, with 140 people on board, bounced and skidded off the runway in the central Javanese town of Yogyakarta before bursting into flames in a rice field in March 2007.

Both pilots survived the crash, which happened less than three months after an Adam Air aircraft disappeared with 102 passengers and crew on board off Sulawesi island.

"We think there is no basis for his arrest," Assegaf said by telephone, "I believe his arrest has raised a lot of eyebrows among the global aviation community."

Last year a report by the National Transport Safety Commission said the pilot ignored 15 warnings as he descended too rapidly, but declined to attribute the crash to "human error" or "pilot error".

The committee's report said the aircraft "was flown at an excessive air speed and steep flight path angle during the approach and landing, resulting in an unstabilised approach".

Five Australians -- two policemen, a diplomat, a journalist and an aid official -- were among the casualties. They were part of a group that had been accompanying then Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, who was not on board the plane, on a visit to Indonesia.

PILOTS PROTEST

About 30 pilots staged a protest at the parliament building in Jakarta, demanding police release Komar immediately and calling for a separate tribunal for aviation offences.

"The criminalisation of pilots will put pilots under pressure in carrying out their job," the chairman of the Indonesian Pilots Federation, Manotar Napitupulu, said in a statement read out before legislators.

A copy of the arrest warrant handed out by the pilots' federation said Komar was accused of negligence causing deaths and destruction of an airplane. He would be detained for 20 days.

Stephanus Gerardus, who heads Garuda's pilots' association, said the arrest was unlawful as it was based on some of the findings published by the National Transport Safety Committee.

Indonesian officials have previously said that under International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) rules the results of an investigation by a country's transport safety commission could not be used as evidence in court.

Police could not immediately be contacted to comment on the arrest.

Rapid growth in air travel in Indonesia, a country of more than 17,000 islands, has raised questions over whether safety has been compromised and whether the infrastructure and personnel can cope with the huge increase. (Reporting by Adhityani Arga, Pipit Prahoro and Telly Nathalia; Editing by Ed Davies and Alex Richardson)


Story 2:

Brazil Holds U.S. Pilots After Airliner Crash
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By PETER MUELLO, AP

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Sept. 4) - Two American executive jet pilots were ordered by a judge to stay in Brazil while authorities investigate whether they caused a midair collision with an airliner that crashed into the Amazon, killing all 155 people aboard.
A Brazilian newspaper reported that the pilots' Legacy jet, which was carrying seven Americans, disobeyed an order by the control tower to descend to a lower altitude just before coming into contact with Gol airlines Flight 1907.
A judge in Mato Grosso state ordered federal police to seize the passports of pilot Joseph Lepore and co-pilot Jan Palladino "as a result of the doubts surrounding the case and the emergence of indications that the accident was caused by the Legacy," Mato Grosso Justice Department press spokeswoman Maria Barbant said by telephone Tuesday.
She said the two were not arrested but "just prevented from leaving the country, at least until we know exactly what happened" in Brazil's deadliest air disaster.
The daily O Globo paper said the Legacy flew at 37,000 feet to the capital, Brasilia, but then ignored an order to descend to 36,000 feet to continue its flight to the Amazon city of Manaus. The Gol jetliner was flying at 37,000 feet from Manaus to Brasilia en route to Rio de Janeiro.
The damaged executive jet safely landed at a nearby air force base after the incident.
The pilots, who have been questioned by Mato Grosso investigators, were brought to Rio de Janeiro on Tuesday for routine physical tests. They were not injured in the incident.
The Legacy had been making its inaugural flight to the United States, where it had been purchased by an American company, said its manufacturer, Embraer.
Air force commander Gen. Luis Carlos Bueno also said the Gol flight, a brand-new Boeing 737-800, had a flight plan for 37,000 feet and the Legacy jet was authorized to fly at 36,000 feet, according to an interview Tuesday with Brazil's government news service Agencia Brasil.
He said neither plane was authorized to deviate from the plans. He said only an investigation of the planes' black boxes could clarify the cause of the accident.
Neither the air force nor the National Civil Aviation Agency would comment on the reports.
Christine Negroni, an investigator for the aviation law firm Kreindler & Kreindler of New York, said in an e-mail that under international guidelines the Legacy should not have been at an odd-numbered altitude because it was heading northwest.
"All westbound flights fly at even numbers with 1,000 feet separation. East bound flights fly at odd numbers, same 1,000 separation," she said. "Since the American pilots were flying northwest, they should not have been at 37,000 since that's odd."
Investigators began examining voice and data recorders recovered from the jetliner Tuesday, but the National Civil Aviation Agency said one of the voice recorders was missing data.
"This unit is essential for analysis," the agency said on its Web site. It said military units were searching for missing parts.
Investigators will also look at why the pilots weren't alerted by special on-board equipment designed to avoid collisions. The air force said both jets were equipped with a Traffic Collision Avoidance System, or TCAS, which monitors other planes and sets off an alarm if they get too close.
The Gol plane crashed deep in the Amazon jungle in Mato Grosso state, some 1,100 miles northwest of Rio de Janeiro, killing all 149 passengers and six crew members.
There appeared to be only one American on the flight - Douglas Hancock, 35, of Missouri. He was in Mato Grosso for business and was returning to Rio de Janeiro where he lived, his father, Paul Hancock, told the Southeast Missourian newspaper.
Bueno said about 100 bodies were found within a half-mile of the wreckage and were flown to the coroner's office in Brasilia for identification. He said rescue workers would have to open more clearings in the dense jungle to try to recover the rest.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board said it was sending a team of investigators, who would be joined by representatives from the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing Co.
The U.S. agencies were involved because the Gol plane was manufactured in the United States and the smaller jet was registered there.
10/04/06 03:35 EDT
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.

You have to be careful because an accidental mistake is now considered as criminal liability in many parts of the World...!!

[JotaJota]

Anyone have any new info on Deer?