HELP!!! ASIC renewal

[schoolboy]

Desperate assistance needed for a slip-up by a young pilot.

The young lady had applied for a renewal from Aviation ID a while back. Unfortunately she did not send her application as a registered letter, and it has got lost. Aviation ID have no record of receiving it, hence the application must start all over again.

Now the problem!

Her ASIC expired yesterday and she cannot access the airport/apron where she is employed, hence cannot work. The particular airport are a law to them selves, and will not flex at all. Is there a solution for this type of slip-up other than stay at home until the ASIC is re-issued?:confused::confused:

[nick2007]

It's a CASA issued ASIC (as opposed to an airport issued one)? Maybe you can lean on them a bit??
When I ordered my ASIC - they sent me someone elses! It turned out that the "someone else" had received mine. The fellow at CASA kindly asked me to express post it to that fellow, as he needed it for work within a couple of days.
....I'm not sure if they can speed up the process, but it seems that they do understand that people need these to earn a living.

I have also heard that there is a small company out there somewhere (maybe there are several) that handle the ASIC application process for you (can speed things up?). Unfortunately I have no details on hand. If you can find it, they might be able to help in this situation.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Plan A) Some airports are able to issue ID cards for their specific airport. This may help - if possible. The Townsville airport operator did this for me before my initial ASIC arrived. Security at Maroochydore were happy to accept this at the time.

Plan B) Wear the old one - chances are nobody will notice!

Dr :8

[Islander Jock]

It's a CASA issued ASIC (as opposed to an airport issued one)? Maybe you can lean on them a bit??
Makes not one iota of difference. All issuing bodies are equal under the rules.

Treat FTDK's advice about using the expired one with a great deal of caution. :=Your friend might well get away with it. She might also find herself being subject to further delays.

My advice would be to go back to Aviation ID Australia, resubmit the application and ask if they can push it through a bit faster. The limiting factor though is how quick Auscheck can turn around the background check. They are taking about 2 weeks at the moment and although the Issuing Body can ask for the process to be expedited there is little that they can do either as the application filters through the various police agencies and ASIO.

Do not believe what is on CASA's website about having applied for an ASIC being sufficient or Airports having discretion to allow people without ASICs airside at a security controlled airport. They are being taken to task over that eroneous web entry as I type.

I really feel sorry for your friend as it is these situations that are the most distressing. The pessimist in me though suggests at best it will be three weeks before she will receive a new ASIC.

[Beavers rule]

Be afraid be very afraid. Pilot at Maroochy only last week copped a $1500 fine for wearing an expired ASIC and not returning the old one from whence it came .:{:{

[thunderbird five]

Is the pilot always with an ASIC holder? eg co-pilot/other crew. If so, get a VIC (visitor card) from the airport operator and be "supervised" by an ASIC holder.

Scour the Aviation Transport Security Regs 2005 for an "out".
Used to be the case where a secure airport was required to provide a VIC and an ASIC equipped escort to all those who had genuine need to enter areas. Can't quite find it just now...
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/management.nsf/lookupindexpagesbyid/IP200506841?OpenDocument

[Old Fella]

I have recently renewed my ASIC through Aviation ID Australia in Merimbula, Postal address Locked Bag 2000, Merimbula NSW 2584. You can call them on 02 6495 2881. I found them very helpful and, I suggest, quicker than CASA. :ok:

[Flying Binghi]

LOL, these ASIC threads pop up like persistant bad weeds :hmm:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Neither Plan A nor Plan B seem to be well regarded!

OK, try Plan C - ring ahead and arrange to be met and escorted by the local ASIC Nazi!

or

Plan D - resubmit paperwork and take immediate annual leave!

Dr :8

[Islander Jock]

Good advice from TB5. If the lady in question is not a pilot and working as staff on an airport, then a VIC might suffice provided the escorting requirements can be met.

Unfortunately a VIC is location specific and only valid for the airport where it is issued. Further if she is a pilot, the supervision criteria fails once she gets into the aircraft without the ASIC holoder and closes the door.

Binghi,
Agreed and I would say for every horror story that appears here, there are probably another ten that occur.

[rmcdonal]

A VIC should be sufficient, after all I was pulled up by a security gaurd in Mascot who only had a VIC on. :ugh: Sort of defeated the purpose of security.

[Howard Hughes]

The legislation is ridiculous and cumbersome, an ASIC holder who submits a renewal should not have to wait more than 5 days, provided they have not had any misdemeanours since their last renewal.:rolleyes:

This starting from scratch business each renewal needs to be changed!:(

[schoolboy]

Thanks all, she might not get the answer from these posts, but she will sure have something to think about.

Howard Hughes
The legislation is ridiculous and cumbersome, an ASIC holder who submits a renewal should not have to wait more than 5 days, provided they have not had any misdemeanours since their last renewal.

If only our governing bodies thought as simplistic as you, gee it would be a geat country to deal with the powers that be! :ok::ok:

You are so right, and it should be so achievable to do. Quick check on a data base to see if the applicant has stuffed up (and I mean in as much as they would be a threat to aviation security, not a crime against centrelink or the dumb ar*e in the pub who needed sorting out!), and as all the details and photographs are already on file, post the bl**dy ASIC back.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Howard Hughes]

Anyone would think they didn't have computers and were checking everything by hand or phone...;)

[Flying Binghi]

Oh deary me... ASICs yet again.

Just for the exersize, I wandered up town to the train station and deliberatly put my hands on a train - NO ASIC.
Then I wandered around to the bus stop, and again I put my hands on a bus... NO ASIC......

The footy bombers thought outside the loop a little.... they wanted to blow up some football supporters... (NO ASIC required there either)

.... ASICs, another bright idea introduced under the Howard government.

[Section28- BE]

Schoollad- I have the answer/precedent for you and your colleague-

We are all wasting our bl@ody time and money-

If anybody was watching the coverage of the A330 carrying the Olympic Flame arriving today at CBR/Fairburn-

Prior to arriving at the Gate so to speak, the coverage showed numerous persons airside (apart from Customs/ Quarantine etc) with no visible ID displayed as per the Act/Regulations, but apart from that- Torch Relay Accreditation would seem to more than suffice, especially for the official welcome party............, they were meeting an Intl arrival.

So get yourself some Torch Relay Accreditation or go without as you may please.

Rgds 28-BE :ok::E

[Old Fella]

Couldn't help myself Section 28 -BE. It is YSCB / Fairbairn and the aircraft parked on the military apron. One would hope those on the Guard Gate ensured no terrorists were allowed entry.

[fallen]

the coverage showed numerous persons airside (apart from Customs/ Quarantine etc) with no visible ID displayed as per the Act/Regulations,You can temporarily establish what's called an event zone for these sorts of events, within which you are no longer required to wear an ASIC etc.

[Flying Binghi]

You can temporarily establish what's called an event zone for these sorts of events, within which you are no longer required to wear an ASIC etc.

An event zone !!!

fallen, are you able to post the reg ?

[Islander Jock]

Binghi,
here ya go. Whilst you're at it, why not apply to the Dept under the freedom of information act for a copy of their special event permit. If indeed they had or were even required to have one. Given that the arrival was on the RAAF Fairbairn side of the field, I'd suggest that the requirements for ASICs and airside access differ to those at the civilian apron.


Division 3A.2 Airside special event zones
Subdivision 3A.2.1 Application for an airside special event zone
3A.02 Application for an airside special event zone
(1) For section 133 of the Act, an aviation industry participant may apply in writing to the Secretary for the Secretary to establish an airside special event zone under section 31A of the Act.
(2) The application must contain the following information:
(a) the name and contact details of the aviation industry participant;
(b) a map showing the proposed airside special event zone including entry points into the zone and exit points out of the zone;
(c) a description of the proposed event to be held in the proposed airside special event zone;
(d) the period (or periods) during which the proposed airside special event zone will be in force, including dates, times and duration;
(e) an estimate of the number of people who will attend the event to be held in the proposed airside special event zone including an explanation of how that estimate was calculated;
(f) a description of any security risks with respect to the event to be held in the proposed airside special event zone;
(g) an explanation of how the security risks were identified;
(h) details of the measures that the aviation industry participant will take to manage and mitigate security risks resulting from the event that will be held in the proposed airside special event zone.
(3) If the aviation industry participant plans to make changes to its transport security program for the purposes of managing and mitigating security risks resulting from the proposed event to be held in the proposed airside special event zone, the application must include details of the planned changes.
3A.03 Further information about applications
(1) The Secretary may request that the applicant provide the Secretary with further information about the application.
(2) The Secretary may refuse to consider the application until the applicant gives the Secretary the information.
3A.04 Notices
If:
(a) the Secretary gives the operator of a security controlled airport a notice establishing an airside special event zone under section 31A of the Act; and
(b) the airside special event zone manager is not the operator of the airport in which the event zone is established;
the Secretary must provide the airside special event zone manager with a copy of the notice.
Note The notice establishing an airside special event zone includes a map of the airport showing the boundaries of the airside special event zone and specifies the period (or periods) during which the event zone is in force.

[Flying Binghi]

Division 3A.2 Airside special event zones

LOL, dont tell me there is more to it - what about Division 3A.1, subdivision B3.2.5. sub sub section 3.7.2.... Oh never mind :}

I need one of those piss myself laughing smilies He He Ha Ha...

Thanks for that Islander Jock :ok:

[Cap'n Arrr]

I would actually like, now that I think of it, a reason that I had to have a 10 year background check (addresses, criminal records etc), when I had one BY THE SAME PEOPLE FOR THE SAME REASON 2 years ago? Surely the renewal form should just be addresses over the past 24 months, and convictions in that time, and an issue fee? Or perhaps, sometime since my last asic, I comitted a crime before I was issued my last asic... http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/faces/stooges.gif

[Flying Binghi]

Like your smilies Cap'n Arrr

As a mater of interest - Does anybody know what an ASIC type background check have shown for the 911 bad boy pilots ?

Would they have received an ASIC ? :hmm:



Edit - no answer to this question - so much for the ASIC system.

All those ASICs do is make the familys of the ASIC holders targets.

[DeltaT]

http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/asic/faq.htm#id3285750673

Are pilots still allowed to fly without an ASIC?

Yes. Pilots only need to have submitted an application for an AVID or an ASIC to operate an aircraft. The application will be processed and appropriate background checks undertaken prior to the AVID or ASIC being issued to an eligible pilot.

Can an airport refuse to let a pilot walk into the airport to go to their plane if they don't have an ASIC?

Responsibility for access to the secure areas of a security controlled airport has not changed. It remains at the discretion of the airport operator.

[Islander Jock]

Delta T,
Legislation overrides a web information page.
Refer to section 3.2 of the Aviation Transport Secuirty Regulations.

Those paragraphs off the FAQ of the CASA website, are poorly worded and in conflict with the requirements of the security regs. Dept of Infrastructure is looking at that very issue now. CASA's advice is based on a pilot not necessarily going to a security controlled airport.

In relation to your second point. Nowhere in that section does it give the aerodrome operator "discretion" to vary the requirement for a person to display an ASIC or a VIC and accompanied by and ASIC holder whilst airsde.

The one variation to this that I only became aware of recently is that a security controlled airport that does not have screened services (jet RPT) only requires display of an ASIC during the traffice periods. That is 2 hours before scheduled arrival until 2 hours after departure. Works great for places like Albany, Wiluna, Esperance and Geraldon. For the time being anyway.

[Islander Jock]

Post no longer relevant

[WarmNuts]

slightly off topic but does the ASIC expire at the end or start of the month??

[man on the ground]

end of the month