Aussie ATPL to JAA

[elcap]

I know this has been done before but the search function can't find JAA due to it only having three letters. Feel free to link to another post.

Anyways my question is what is required to transfer Aussie ATPL to JAA CPL or ATPL?

Also what's the job situation like for someone without a European Passport? Is it fairly easy to be sponsored?

El:confused:

[ules]

hey mate im looking at doing the same thing with this place.
www.waaviationcollege.com.au (http://www.waaviationcollege.com.au)
as far as i know they are the only place in australia
they do their course in 3 modules
each modules involves studying at home and doing progress tests online before attending the college for a week of consolidation ground school.
exams are done in the school . the cost is $3775 plus postage and exams. the texts they use are cranfield aviation training notes.

[rmcdonal]

the cost is $3775 plus postage and exams. the texts they use are cranfield aviation training notes.
Today 14:33

Plus Airfares over to Perth and back 3 times + Accom + Flight test in the UK.

I did hear a rumour of a well known east coast operator soon to get their wings in the training department....:D:ok:

[Flash_11]

Isn't it strange all the hoopes you have to go through to get a JAA licence but for JAA CPL/ATPL to be converted by CASA all they need to do is a medical and airlaw exam for the respective licence.

[ules]

[QUOTE][Plus Airfares over to Perth and back 3 times + Accom + Flight test in the UK.

I did hear a rumour of a well known east coast operator soon to get their wings in the training department..../QUOTE]

yes it is true it will be a bit costy, altough i had an understanding the flight test is done here in aus not in the uk ....

so whos is this east coast operator ?? i would be very interested :E

[redsnail]

I am afraid at this point in time the IR has to be done in the UK.
At the moment, the Aussie $ is quite strong against the Sterling so it's not too painful.

Where you do your ATPL theory is up to you. If you don't use the Western Australian operator, then I highly recommend Bristol Ground School.

To summarise. Use the CAA UK LASORS for reference.

To convert an Australian ATPL to a JAA one. (ref the UK CAA)

UK CAA Class 1 medical, Can only be done at Gatwick. You'll get a discount as you already hold an ICAO recognised ATPL.

14 ATPL exams. They are so much fun. You'll love them.

The flying side is tricky and depends on your hours etc.
If you have no multi crew/multi pilot time.
You'll need to do some flying for the CPL as well as the IR.
You'll get a CPL.

If you have 500 hours of multi crew but in a Bandit or something like that.
You could do the above or get a type rating on a B737 with the LST observed by a CAA FOI.
Depending on what you do, you'll get a CPL or an ATPL.

If you have 500 hours on a Dash 8 or B737 etc, you just need to do an observed skills test on that type. Note, I recommend you get some flying in the sim prior to the test to learn about the unique UK rules....
You'll get an ATPL.

Note, if you hold a CPL, most operators will want a MCC (multi crew certificate) before hiring. Yes, yet another expense.

[redsnail]

Now you hold that magic JAA licence, now what..

A job.

There's a bit of a slow down right at the moment. easyJet have stopped recruiting until Autumn, Ryanair are talking about parking 20 aircraft for Winter. Globespan's in talks looking for a merger. bmi, not sure, BA's still hiring. Netjets Europe is still hiring.

If you can speak another language, Air France is (was?) hiring. Lufthansa's hiring (I think)

Essentially, there's been a slow down in recruitment this year, no one's too sure as to what'll happen next year.

It worked for many of us coming over but definitely keep a weather eye on what the UK's doing visa/passport wise. There's talk of closing the ancestral visa.

Good luck.

[Aussie]

Mate, i did the whole conversion mid last yr, and did the JAA ATPLS at WAAC beggining of last yr, so for more specific info, msg me, otherwise Red has covered it all :ok:

[tinpis]

Why dont you publish a handbook Reddo and charge for it like a wounded bull? :E

[27/09]

Flash11
Isn't it strange all the hoopes you have to go through to get a JAA licence but for JAA CPL/ATPL to be converted by CASA all they need to do is a medical and airlaw exam for the respective licence.

Because old chap, their ATPL is so much more superior to one from the antipodes.

[redsnail]

Tinny, nah, the info's out there already and free. All I do is put it in a legible form. Besides, I enjoy collecting the beers. :ok:

I believe there might be different options via the IAA (Irish mob) and there's definitely a different option if you already have +1500 hours (3,000 hours TT) in command of a jet weighing 30 tonnes or more in primarily international or similiar operations. (You get a UK JAA ATPL good for G-reg aircraft only)

[haughtney1]

Because old chap, their ATPL is so much more superior to one from the antipodes

Well there are a lot more exams :ugh:

Seriously for a second.......the IR is a bit tougher..particularly if you aint used to mixing it in busy all the time airspace:ok:

The rest is just different:8

[Aussie]

Thing is thought when ya think about it, in the UK you can do 14 ATPLs after PPL, is aus you have to do 7 CPL subjects, and then 7 ATPL.... seems like the same diff to me :suspect:

[snrub]

in reply to aussie ive done both my aussie and jaa atpls and the aussie ones were a cake walk I found the aussie exam system much better though the jaa system is outdated and needs revamped in my opinion.

[pressed_on]

This is the link to the UKCAA Lasors, has all the info you'll need, from memory it is section E?


http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=1591

Cheers

[Plastic fantastic]

From my experience of 2 years ago.

First you have to send over your logbook and licence to get a personal "Letter of requirements".Takes about 3 weeks and you can't work without a licence.
This letter is most important as it refers only to you and will have a time limit after which all bets are off.

Next you will have to tackle the exams.Fortunately I only had to do 2 and flew over to the UK (Gatwick) sat them on the next day and flew straight back.

Having obtained passses you can book a Medical ( cost me 270 stg) and licence test with a CAA observer( 1000stg + I think).You must also provide an aircraft or Sim,a TRE ( examiner) and any other extra crew required.

I flew over again (Crawley)for the skills test and did the Medical ,at Gatwick ,the day before the test.It was a bit risky as you must have a valid Medical to do the test.I got it a couple of hours before the test was scheduled.
Test was about 3.5 hours in a sim ( Type Rating and Instrument rating). I didn't do any practice so I think it is about the cheapest you could do it for.

Total cost was about AU$10,000( no VAT exemption).

Without a Euro Passport.....two chances of work.

[Asianlonghaul]

Try getting a "NATIONAL" ATPL from a JAA state. For a UK CAA one Redsnail is correct (or was recently) if you have 3,000 hours TT in command of a jet weighing 30 tonnes or more in primarily international or similar operations you can get a UK ATPL with a couple of exams and a Sim check. Officially Redsnail is correct saying it is for G-reg aircraft only, BUT EU law says one EU state should still accept another’s "National" licence!!! Been there & done that.

The other options are Ryan Air with an Irish validation / or maybe national licence - not sure which you get but they take ICAO ATPL's with 737 time or a Swiss national licence but you need to be sponsored by the airline, some Turbo prop outfit in Basle was looking for ICAO ATPLs the other week!

[redsnail]

I'll have to scratch around LASORS again. From what I was told by who had done the abbreviated UK version they would have to do the rest of the exams to fly another JAA member state aircraft.

Any way, if INAC, ENAC or the DGAC will accept a UK JAA (abbreviated) ATPL then that's a great thing. :ok:

[redsnail]

Found theLASORS (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=1591) UK CAA reference.

Section G. G 1.5 pg 315.
Valid for United Kingdom registered aircraft. As this licence does not fully comply with JAR-FCL the holder must have permission from any other JAA member state prior to exercising the licence privileges in aircraft registered in that state.

This endorsement may be removed by obtaining a pass in all JAR-FCL ATPL(A) theoretical examinations.

So, it doesn't fully comply with the EU rules.

You need 3000 hours TT with 1500 hours in command, not 3000 hours in command of 30t (or 30,000kg - picky.... :D ) in primarily international etc....

So, if the other member state says "yes" to your 2 exam UK CAA ATPL, off you go. If they say "no", then you'll have to get on with the additional 12 exams. Fun. :ugh: However, they do not have to recognise it as it doesn't comply with JAR-FCL.

I know at least one person who had a Dutch national licence converted to a Dutch JAR ATPL who then got a UK JAR ATPL. (They weren't happy but it was during the time when the national authorities were all changing to JAA and there was a lot of confusion)

Oh finally noticed the bit about not having a European passport.. Tricky. Unless you can get an ancestral visa, you're stuffed. :( Sorry.