MEIR - IMC (SE) Issue?

[cirruscrystal]

I have a MEIR, would the CAA issue me with an IMC rating to use for both SE and ME?

Would really appreciate some advice on this.:ok:

[Mercenary Pilot]

I have a MEIRPresuming it's a JAA IR, then the CAA will issue you with an IMC on the back of that rating. I'm not sure about the FAA IR's?

Just send them an E-mail for the definitive answer. :ok:

[email protected]

The IMC covers both ME and SE.

[Shunter]

As far as I know, any ICAO compliant IR will get you an IMC rating. Certainly an FAA IR will.

I'm pretty sure it's not tied to whatever you took the test in. It should allow you to exercise the privileges in any aircraft you have a class or type rating for. If you were to take the IMC rating test in a multi, you'll get tested on asymmetic, but that's about it, it doesn't affect how you can exercise the rating.

[Duchess_Driver]

"The IMC covers both ME and SE. "

Just to clarify, I am led to believe that the IR done on a single does not give you IMC in a twin.

[Shunter]

Really? I can't find the bit in LASORS where it says that. If you've got an MEP rating you can use your IMC, regardless of what you took your IR test in. Happy, as always, for someone to correct me...

[Duchess_Driver]

Shunt...

Just going back to what my MEP examiner said when I did my MEP - I specifically asked the question as although at the time I had an FAA CPL ME and working towards my IR I still didn't have a JAA one. My IMC had been renewed in a Singly (earlier that month, with him) and his answer was a resounding no.

Asymetric approach workload I guess?

Now then, can someone give us chapter and verse?

[Mercenary Pilot]

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[Shunter]

On renewal no, only on the initial test if taken in a multi:

- Control of the aeroplane following failure of one engine in the climb
- Identification of the failed engine and completion of failure drills
- Climbing and level turns in asymmetric flight

[Mercenary Pilot]

LASORS states

1.3 When the applicant wishes to be trained and tested
for an IMC Rating on a multi-engine aeroplane, the
training must include sufficient instruction to enable
the pilot to maintain stable flight following the failure
of one engine at climbing power, to climb at the
recommended speed, and to carry out normal flight
manoeuvres during asymmetric flight in simulated
instrument flight conditionsSo that's that covered. :ok:

However, I appear to be wrong about the revalidation, it IS required apparently:

4 FLIGHT TEST SYLLABUS

f. Flight with Asymmetric Power
Control of the aeroplane and maintenance of
a given heading and asymmetric climb speed,
following the failure of one engine in the climbing
configuration at normal climb power.
Identification of the failed engine and the
completion of all essential drills and checks.
Climbing and level turns in asymmetric flight as
directed by the Examiner.

Throughout item (f) of the test, the Examiner will
be responsible for navigation and ATC liaison. On
resumption of normal flight the candidate will be
told the position of the aeroplane. Feathering will
be simulated by the Examiner on completion of the
correct touch drills by the candidate.6 REVALIDATION FLIGHT TEST

6.1.2 Item (f) at paragraph 4 is required in multi-engine
aeroplanes only. The Examiner will be responsible
for navigation and ATC liaison. On resumption of
normal flight, the candidate will be told the position
of the aeroplane. Feathering will be simulated by the
Examiner on completion of the correct touch drills by
the candidate.
What isn't clear to me now is if the CAA actually issue IMC/SE's or IMC/ME?

[cirruscrystal]

thankyou for all of your help - that answers the main question that i can get an IMC rating at least although not clear about revalidiation etc...:ok:

[moggiee]

Of course, until your IR expires you don't actually need the IMC.

[cirruscrystal]

Not strictly true as the MEIR only allows me to fly IMC Multi-engine:confused:

[Duchess_Driver]

...chapter and verse please Cirruscrystal.

Not what I am led to belive for either FAA or JAA. Can't think that that would be a logical step either. With singles, obviously, there is no asymetrics to deal with, therefore if I can fly a multi woth one donkey out, whay can' t I fly a single with no donkey misfiring?

Of course, I understand there are places where single engine IR would not be allowed, or indeed, sensible.

[moggiee]

Not strictly true as the MEIR only allows me to fly IMC Multi-engine:confused:
I am 99.99999999999% certain that you are wrong. As long as you have an SEP class rating you can use the privileges of your MEIR on a single.

EDIT: Just checked LASORS. Whilst it's the ANO which details the privileges of the IR, LASORS gives the answer. There are training requirements in there to upgrade an SEIR to MEIR but NO training requirements to go the other way.

If you were NOT allowed to use an MEIR for SE aeroplanes, then there would be details of the training required to downgrade your MEIR to SEIR.

LASORS section E, pages 2 and 3 refer.

[horsebox]

Mog & Duchess you are correct,

From Lasors :

SPA IR privileges are not type or class specific - the
holder of more than one SPA type or class rating is
required to re-validate the IR on only one SPA type
or class (usually the most complex one). However,
the holder of a ME IR must revalidate on a ME
class or type. An IR SPA ME will confer SPA SE IR
privileges whereas an IR SPA SE does not confer
SPA ME IR privileges.

[cirruscrystal]

Thats great news - what are the renewal requirements for the IMC rating (being lazy again)

[Duchess_Driver]

Wud imagine, but don't quote me please.....

Training to proficiency with an applied instrument instructor, then re-test with an IMC examiner. You have the required hours with the initial issue. If you're lapsed by a long time then there may be writtens involved. Lasors will tell all.

HTH