'Prohibited' Carry - On Items??

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

On a recent return flight from NZ from the magnificent 'War Birds Over Wanaka', we were changing flights at NZAA for the trip 'over the dutch',
and a young lady in front of us had several bottles of (expensive?) perfumes confiscated by the screening personnel, as she was over the 100ml fluid limit, apparently (?).

Notwithstanding other comment, she was sure that her perfumes were going to find a 'good home' elsewhere...:}

So the question arises,
Should there be, or could there be, any provision for these and other confiscated items - a small 'laser pointer' as used in presentations has been mentioned elsewhere - to be simply removed from the passenger and placed in a separate small bin which itself is then located onto the aircraft concerned, either in the baggage hold as 'late luggage', or some other secure area on the aircraft, to be reclaimed by said pax at the other end?

Seems that it would save a lot of 'aggro' and 'minor delays' whilst not compromising the safety of the flight in any way....?

And, what DO they do with all those nail clippers etc??:=

Your thoughts please guys and gals.... :confused:

[FerrypilotDK]

Just after 9/11, we had such a system at Kastrup. Worked fine. the box was handed to the PIC at the gate and the contents were passed out at destination after landing. Of course, after a couple months of this, some inspector decided it was a no no...and that was the end of that!


Couldn´t other people in the queue with less than 100ml have helped the young lady out......no, that would deprive the security folks or their wives....sorry, what was I thinking???:ugh:

[Skystar320]

No offence to the people [private security] that enforce it but some of these people are ******

I wear contacts, I carry over 150ml bottle [smallest] I can find and yet they try to take it off me every time knowing very well that they dont have the power to do so. They only fail to realise that you indeed for prescription purposes be over the 100ml limit and this is the case.....

Sometimes I hate wearing my contact lenses.

[2ndGen]

Meanwhile, so far I have (accidentally) taken through security to date:
-a number of corkscrews
-metal nail file
-swiss army knife
-razors in my wetpack
-nail scissors
amongst other things. Yet I recently had a set of tweezers confiscated. Go figure.

[Jabawocky]

Is there a list of banned items published anywhere?

If so and its not on the list tell em to stick it!

J

[PyroTek]

thats the spirit jaba!

Once i was walking to fly to japan at YBBN international, walk up to the check point, start emptying pockets,
"O-SHI.."... i accidentally left a stanley knife in my pocket from working on something the previous day.

Check your pockets BEFORE you check your bags in :P

[Jabawocky]

Pyro....:= Doesn't your mum make you change your clothes each day!

Once i was walking to fly to japan

So how many other ways do you get around the terminal.......I know you are a clever kid, but are you hiding something?

OKAY, enough being a smart ar$e......and respect ya elders:oh:

J

[Jabawocky]

Just searched DOTARS site, gels liquids etc are listed and described in detail, despite there being very little risk.......nothing specific about nail clippers anywhere to be seen:ugh:

I really want to find out what is legally enforcable and when. Then front up with one of all the items and see what kind of reaction it gets when I tell em ....sorry buddy, its not listed, now nick off!

J

[PyroTek]

what about nipple rings? :D

yeah, its just its such a huge effort to wash jeans after wearing them for 6 hours.. its kinda a waste.. because then i cant wear them for a day after while they dry...

any other clothes are fine.

and jaba, there's always catching one of those disabled buggys... and 'around' can mean walking around the perimeter, or just inside... so dont you mention my vague-ness

[sms777]

Nail clippers are fine as long as they do not have a nail file attached to them.
(So i was told at Cooly airport security)

[9v-SKA]

No offence to the people [private security] that enforce it but some of these people are ******

I wear contacts, I carry over 150ml bottle [smallest] I can find and yet they try to take it off me every time knowing very well that they dont have the power to do so. They only fail to realise that you indeed for prescription purposes be over the 100ml limit and this is the case.....

Sometimes I hate wearing my contact lenses.I carry just my contact lens case with liquid inside.

[18-Wheeler]

(So i was told at Cooly airport security)
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Coolly security are a bunch of hairless baboons that make up the rules as they go along.
Years ago I had to ditch a tiny laser that I'd had for years because they said so - They couldn't prove it with any paperwork, they just said so.

Next time they pull crap like that I'll insist they get my bag out of the plane so I can put whatever the latest item-of-the-month is into it. It'll probably hold up the flight but that's their problem/fault.
Note that I am careful to not take anything with me that's on the (real) list.

[Jabawocky]

18W:D

So you do have the REAL list hey!:rolleyes:

J:ok:

[rmcdonal]

Ok I will bite... WTF can you do with a nail file? I just tried attacking a pilot with one a second ago and all I managed to do was lightly graze my knuckles.?.?.
Anyone have any ideas? I suppose I could give myself sharper nails inflight and attack the cabin crew with them??? :ugh::hmm:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

rmcdonal, you can poke eyes out with those little nail files - lethal!

Apparently you can't do the same thing with a biro, or a fork with all but one prong bent back - or even a key.

Nope! Ozharma and his mates specialise in the use of little nail files!

Dr :8

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

"And, what DO they do with all those nail clippers etc??"

They, and the hundreds of nail scissors, pocket knives, nail files etc, get routinely dumped into a skip outside the fence. Doubtlessly after all the good "Leathermen" folding tools etc are "recovered".

[Mr Bomb]

Defence Force personnel are no longer allowed to fly with medals as the mounting bar has two "pins" about 5mm long on the back that you push through your shirt and then put a little clip thingny on the back. There was a message released to all defence personnel recently stating such.

I reckon it would be bloody funny trying to beat someone to death with a row of ribbons! I can just see Curly trying to beat Moe with them...

Cheers
Mr B.

(Note defence now has "magnetic" mounts for their medals, but with more than about three or four ribbons the magnet is not strong enough. I guess Defence will have to spend many $M of taxpayers money in trying to come up with a new aviation friendly mounting system so we can all be properly dressed whilst on a flight. Bwahahahahah.)

[tipsy2]

Hmmmmmmmm, that's clever thinking, lets replace a sharp with a Dangerous Goods item ie a magnet. Mind you an aircraft full of Medal or Ribbon wearing service personel could be really interesting.:D

It's not the airport numpties that have created all this "security" piffle but the desk bound "officers" in DoTaRS.

It wouldn't surprise me if they weren't satisfied until we as travellers board an aircraft stark naked and carry nothing on at all (not even a ticket or passport). All we will need is a Bar-Code across our foreheads:sad:

tipsy:D

[sms777]

I reckon my Breitling Navitimer is heavy enough to beat someone to death with but no one stopped me wearing it. ......YET!

[Capt Claret]

Hey 2ndGen,

I found some tweezers in the jump seat (coffee) cup receptacle this morning. They'll be in CNS tonight I'd expect.

A colleague almost had his name badge confiscated because of the lethally long pin used to secure it to his shirt. Sharp point you see!

Once he convinced them to let him have it for a moment, and replaced it on his shirt, the sharp pin couldn't be seen so was deemed not to exist!!!!! :ugh:

A lady pax once, at Gove, checked in the pooch and when she got to security, they confiscated her small garden trowel which she used as a pooper scooper. Lethal them pooper scooping trowels.

Griffo

On another occasion a chap passed through DRW security immediately after me; I was still reassembling myself. He'd been discharged that morning from RDH (DRW hospital) with stitches in one leg, and he was on crutches with his worldly possessions in a plastic shopping bag. One possession was small cutting implement that the medicos gave him to remove the stitches.

It was confiscated and the security staff wouldn't countenance it being in my control until the destination.

[sms777]

Do you really want to know what happens to those nail clippers?
Coolly airport security has a secret Ebay user name called "baboons". They have a contract with all airports securities around Oz and i am sure they are making a fortune:confused:

[spanner90]

Good grief, we have gone crazy!!!

The airport goons with a security licence, an ASIC, and a short haircut can prevent a defence force serviceman/woman from travelling with their hard-earned medals!!!!

The apparent sitation as I see it:

- A security person dreams up a new way of hurting somebody,
- Thinks(?) of something to do it with,
- Confiscates said item from every screened person, whether they (the pax, visitor, crew) have a sick and twisted mind or not.

As a former defence member (21 yrs service), I am offended by this attitude.:mad:

Please will somebody post a definitive list of banned items?

Spanner

[spanner90]

OK, here's a solution.

Screening to occur at check-in. Fail screening, you still have you checked luggage at hand.

Screening for visitors. Fail screening, check item at "Cloak Room" retrieve on leaving airport.

Screening for self check-in. Fail screening, deposit item in secure box at aerobridge for collection at destination.

The short-comings are the multiple entry points to the terminal, and possible contamination of already checked pax. But the pax etc. will be happier.

Perhaps the aviation companies should better understand that theirs is a "service" industry.

Spanner

[Islander Jock]

Spanner90 - you asked for it.... enjoy :E


1.07 Prohibited items
(1) For the definition of prohibited item in section 9 of the Act, a thing described in column 2 of an item in table 1.07 is a prohibited item.
Note Subregulations (5) to (10), (12), (13) and (14) (after the table) except from the general definition in subregulation (1) certain items that would otherwise be covered by it.
(2) Examples set out in an item of the table are not exhaustive of the things described in the item.
Note A thing that is described in both table 1.07 and table 1.09 is a weapon — see subregulation 1.09 (5).
(3) To avoid doubt, nothing in this regulation implies that an article or thing not described in the table is permitted to be carried by air if its carriage would be prohibited by another law.
Note See in particular section 23 of the Civil Aviation Act 1988 and Part 92 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 in relation to the carriage of dangerous goods.
(4) A replica or imitation of anything described in column 2 of an item in the table is also a prohibited item.
Table 1.07 Prohibited items
Column 1
Item
Column 2
Description of things
1
Sporting goods, kitchen utensils, tools, and other things with sharp edges or points capable of injuring a person
Examples
Crampons
Knives (including leatherworkers’ knives)
Ice axes and ice picks
Rock climbing equipment such as pitons, hooks, hammers and bolts
Ice skates
Meat cleavers
Axes, hatchets and similar things
Metal cutlery
Note See subregulation (13).


Open razors (also called straight razors)
Note See subregulation (5).

Scalpels
Ski poles
Darts
Drills
Box cutters
Utility knives
Saws
Umbrellas with metal points
Screwdrivers, crowbars, hammers, pliers and wrenches

2
Sharp things that are not weapons, but are capable (with or without modification) of causing harm by penetration
Examples
Knitting and crochet needles
Letter‑openers
Bodkins
Pointed metal scissors
Pointed metal nail files
Corkscrews
Note See subregulation (6).

Razor blades
Hypodermic needles (whether or not attached to syringes)
Note See subregulation (6).

3
Blunt things able to be used to bludgeon or threaten to bludgeon a person
Examples
Baseball, softball, and cricket bats and any similar thing used in sport
Hockey and lacrosse sticks and any similar thing used in sport
Racquets used in squash, tennis, badminton or any other sport
Billiard, pool or snooker cues
Golf clubs
Any other piece of wood, metal or any other substance big enough to threaten a person with
Note See subregulation (14).

4
Household flammable goods
Examples
Aerosol containers, including cans of spray paint
Note See subregulation (7).

Petrol and any other flammable liquid
Fireworks
Toy caps

5
Things capable of being used to restrain a person and not otherwise permitted under the Act or these Regulations
Examples
Cable ties
Handcuffs
Note See subregulation (9).

Exceptions
(5) Despite subregulation (1) and item 1 of the table, a safety razor is not a prohibited item.
(6) Despite subregulation (1) and item 2 of the table:
(a) a corkscrew is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is for the use of an aircraft’s cabin crew; and
(b) a hypodermic needle is taken not to be a prohibited item if the person carrying it shows proof that it is medically necessary for the use of the person or another person who is in the person’s care.
(7) Despite subregulation (1) and item 4 of the table, and subject to subregulation (8):
(a) alcohol (including alcoholic beverages) and perfumes are not prohibited items; and
(b) matches, lighters and lighter fluid are not prohibited items; and
(c) an aerosol container (including one that contains a flammable substance) is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is for:
(i) personal (including cosmetic) use; or
(ii) a medical application.
Example for subparagraph (7) (c) (ii)
An asthma inhaler.
(8) Subregulation (7) does not apply in relation to items of a kind referred to in item 4 of the table carried by a person if:
(a) the total volume of liquid items of that kind carried by the person is greater than 2 litres; or
(b) the total mass of items of that kind (other than liquids) carried by the person is greater than 2 kilograms.
(9) Despite subregulation (1) and item 5 of the table, handcuffs and similar restraining devices are taken not to be prohibited items:
(a) if carried by a person who is escorting a person in custody; or
(b) if carried on an aircraft with the authority of its operator for the purpose of restraining a violent person.
(10) A thing that is part of an aircraft’s stores or emergency equipment, or of an airline operator’s or airport operator’s emergency equipment, is taken not to be a prohibited item if it is not readily accessible to passengers or the public generally.
(11) A knife or knife‑like object (whether or not made of metal) strong enough to be used as a weapon is a prohibited item.
(12) A pair of scissors with blades more than 6 cm long, or a pair of manicure scissors, is a prohibited item, but a pair of blunt‑ended or round‑ended scissors with blades less than 6 cm long is not a prohibited item.
(13) To avoid doubt:
(a) a fork is not a prohibited item if:
(i) the tines have square or round ends; and
(ii) the handle is round‑ended and is not detachable; and
(b) a plastic cutlery knife is not a prohibited item.
(14) To avoid doubt, walking sticks, crutches and other mobility aids are not prohibited items.

[Flying Binghi]

Things capable of being used to restrain a person

Looks like belts and shoe laces are illegal :hmm:


... I do recall there are problems wearing jewish skull caps though... those hidden bald spots can terrify anybody :eek:

[Jabawocky]

Binghi

You beat me to it! Lucky I wear RM's most of the time......now they could be a blunt object used as "Blunt things able to be used to bludgeon or threaten to bludgeon a person"

And as for cable ties, I always travel with them for work purposes (ok and any cute hosties:E) so from now on I will have to make sure there are always 3 in my laptop case.......just to see how good these guys are!


J:ok:

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Thanks for that 'Clarrie',

The mind doth boggle at times...........:rolleyes:

p.s. About three years ago now I went to China for a month.
Flew PH - HK return via Bandar - two days lookaround at Bandar - and internally in China from Guilin to Guangzhou.

Forgot all about the 'boy scout' set of knife, fork and spoon which all clip together for storage which I carried in MY CARRY ON BAG just in case I couldn't manage the chop sticks......
And.....
I DID manage, and consequently forgot all about the cutlery set rattling around the bottom of the bag.

I can only imagine that the image of the knife & fork was blanked out by the size / shape of the spoon. Found it when I got home...and realised it had been there all that time. OOOPS!!:uhoh::uhoh:

Nobody else found it despite numerous screenings. :confused:

[sms777]

(14)To avoid doubt, walking sticks,crutches and other mobility aids are not probihited items.

....Hmmmmm. I reckon someone like Steven Segal armed with a pair of crutches could be pretty lethal.:sad:

[Ron & Edna Johns]

Ah yes....

From another post I made (two years ago!)...



THIS is permitted through security in Australia:

http://lve.scola.ac-paris.fr/anglais/images/australia/didgeridoo-Player.jpg




But THIS is not:

http://racquetdepot.com/images/medium/wilson_badminton_v14.jpg



Spare me....

[Islander Jock]

I remember when I was still wearing spotty green clothes to work, a visiting RSM was most p1ssed off when his pace stick was taken away and loaded underneath.
I guess it could have been construed under section 3 as something that could be used to bludgeon a person. Which no doubt it would have been used for in the good ol days.:E