Kunpeng Airlines ERJ-190

[pilotcpb]

Any info? Saw the job listed on Wasinc, and I have time in the ERJ170 but no PIC time on type yet. Was thinking about applying in the future as they get started flying, given that all goes well. Heard they have ordered 50 aircraft.

EMB-190 Captains
Posted: 1/31/2008 2:29:00 AM
Immediate need for EMB-190 Captains

We are pleased to announce immediate openings for Embraer 190 Captains for ex-pat assignments in Beijing and/or Xian, China.

Please find details and requirements for the job below.

Flying for: Kunpeng Airlines

Minimum requirements:
• 300hours PIC on EMB-190 or EMB-170
• 3000 hours total time
• First Class medical

Domicile: Beijing and/or Xian, China (Working VISA provided after your arrival in China - any nationality can apply)
Total Compensation: $110,500 (net)
Minimum Guarantee: 90 hours
Contract Term: First contract: 2 years. Subsequent contracts: 1 year.
Benefits:
• Pay includes: Base pay: $6800/mo, Housing allowance: $1200/mo, bonus pay: $375/mo.
PLUS: $10,000 per year travel allowance
• Worldwide Medical/Dental insurance
• Life insurance and Accidental Death and Disability insurance will be provided
• 9 days guaranteed off per month
• 30 days personal leave per year

Additional information:

• Kun Peng Airlines is a joint venture operating under the Shenzhen Airlines group
• Chinese income taxes will be paid by the company. U.S. taxes will be based on off-shore
(expat) status.
• International Medical Insurance Coverage is provided for you and your family anywhere
in the world.
• Travel Allowance. The travel allowance can be used at your discretion, and is not a
reimbursement plan.
• Housing Allowance will provide for a western-style furnished apartment around 180-200 sq.
meters (about 1900 sq. ft. with 3BR 2 BA). Housing assistance will include on-site property
visits and assistance with lease negotiations.
• Interested persons will be considered for upgrade to B-737NG service at parent company
(Shenzhen Airlines) upon completion of contract.
• Route System. Kun Peng Airlines will be based in Beijing and/or Xian, and initially include
routes to 16 regional airports.

[zah]

Hi, the company will get 50 E-190's beginning June. For now they said that they will move all the CRJ captains to the left seat as the aircrafts are coming. But I am sure in the next 6 months to a year they will need much more. Fly as much as you can, and when you get to 1000SIC- apply and they may take you with only SIC on the type if you have 121 PIC on another type. :ok:

Fly safe...

[VNAv8r]

Zah are you flying for them now?

[chooper]

Currently working in china as a flight instructor. My contract will finish August this year. I'm hoping someone will answer this question. thanks a lot.. always fly safe.

take care

[7Q Off]

ERJ should be paid the same as they paid 737 or A320.

[samfu_1]

What would be the chance of my minimums with this company?

2350 TT
1050 Turbine (121 airline)
1050 SIC Turbine
0 Turbine PIC
1180 ME

1 year experience as a ground instructor training new-hires, upgrades, & recurrent pilots (121 airline)

Do you think any of the above-listed experience would qualify for a position with Kunpeng, or are they very strict on their mins? Thanks to any insight.

[samfu_1]

Seems like they really need type-rated individuals, but it's hard to believe that there will even be a surplus of E170/E190 type-rated pilots at this point in time that would be applying.

[thepotato232]

Does anyone know where these expat contractors are getting E-Jet pilots? I was under the impression that there weren't that many of us worldwide. As far as the U.S. goes, regional operators of that plane aren't talking about furloughs. The pay at RAH and Compass isn't great (decent by regional standards), but it doesn't seem sufficiently inferior to the expat jobs to justify leaving in significant numbers. Besides, a US regional pilot with any experience in the industry (i.e. a 170 captain) would be wary about going half way around the world to work for the Antichrist of the US regional world (Ornstein).

[samfu_1]

To add to the previous comment, there are also several positions available for ERJ 170/190 instructors. Of course, the min requirements are a type rating and time in type.

It seems as if there aren't any pilots or instructors...... where are they coming from?

[rcl7700]

I thought Mesa was no longer part of Kunpeng.

[Lear70]

Schedules? Examples of rotations? All day-trips and back to domicile?

General working conditions and ability to actually get back to the U.S. regularly?

Thanks,

[Starcheck182]

Just applied to WASInc., we'll see what happens. Getting furloughed from E190 USAirways but PIC time is on E145.

Any info appreciated!! Not ready to dive in, but had to apply to see if I get a bite and take it from there.

Good luck to all

[RemoveB4Flght]

i'm in the same boat... 2000tt with 1000 sic turbine.. I even have a PIC type in the A320 but only 200 right seat hours in it... I can't get any bites from the far east

It seems as though there are only a handful of pilots out there with type ratings and time in type, but currently in the international job market.

They would have a much easier time staffing eager senior F/O's who would be ready for a left seat in a short period of time, than waiting for disgruntled captains to quit and decide to move to china.

[Starcheck182]

I got a call from WASinc. the same day I applied! wasn't ready for that-anybody have info or where to look? Not easy to find!

Thanks in advance and i'll keep posting any info I find.

[Lear70]

You got a response that fast because it's hard to fill that position. Doesn't pay enough or give enough time off to justify going all the way to the other side of the planet.

Not to mention that most of us who are qualed for the DECA slots have families and such that won't uproot and move. There's one or two I'm looking into, but this one isn't one of them, as I have to have enough time off to get back to the states regularly.

I did a search a while back on all the established sites, willflyforfood, here, flightinfo, propilotworld, airlinepilotcentral, and no one really has the info on the interview process, actual flight schedules, days off, living conditions in the "western style furnished apartment", etc. There's definitely westerners over there, but no one's talking.

Good luck to you. At 26, you're young enough to probably not have the responsibilities of family that many of us have or maybe young enough to have a wife who is young enough to see this as an adventure, rather than the "uprooting of her whole support structure". Enjoy while you can!

[smart123]

Paramount Airways in Chennai-India has immediate vacancies for ERJ170 Type Rated Captains. Visit their website www.paramountairways.com (http://www.paramountairways.com)

[Immigrant]

Hi Starcheck182

Did you applied for E190 Captain position or for CRJ captain?
I have the same situation, I have E190 FO flight time only. I'm not sure if apply for Captain E190 or rapid-upgrade on CRJ. Do you have any idea on rapid-upgrade contract for CRJ mentioned on Wasinc?
Thanks for any info

[Starcheck182]

I applied for the E190 Captain position. Don't know about the CRJ postions. And I'm assuming he called me for the E190 position since I have zero CRJ experience. I was walking out to dinner when he called me, and I wanted to have more time to talk to him. He said he'd call Mon, so I'll post my results if he calls again.

One of the first things I noticed was the pay was the same for CRJ and E190, which I thought the 190 would pay more b/c it holds more...Also, I read on another forum about the work visa issues in China taking months-where you can't fly and numerous other contract violations-but that was only 1 post on 1 board-info is difficult to come by-but I'll keep trying....

I was very surprised to hear something that fast, even if it is China. They officially advertise "300 PIC on E190", which I don't have-only a PIC type rating on it. However, I have a couple thousand E145 PIC, so... I don't know...I'll see what is offered, do more research and take it from there.

I still have a job till at least october and I just started sending apps, so I'm not quite ready to jump to China tomorrow.....

No matter what happens, I'll post my results of the upcoming conversation and ANYONE who knows something, please post!!

[Seil Knisaw]

Sounds like a good gig, but you should also review wasinc and their industry reputation. They fit well with the Ornstein crowd. There are some comments about them at http://japanpilots.19.forumer.com

Seil

[Immigrant]

Starcheck182 any updates?

If sombody else hiring for KG or only WSN?

[LETSGOEFLY]

The contract is not being followed over here.... they always blame it on the Chinese. Housing allowance is always late by days. There was no per diem paid during the three weeks I was in Shenzhen. Also no set schedule each month.

[sika]

Flight Crew Solutions have a few contracts in the Gulf for the E170/190. Contact them on [email protected]

[Starcheck182]

I decided not to pursue it, due to my personal research and negative things I have found about being in China. Overall, with the package they were offering, I personally couldn't do it...

Good luck to those that go for it! I'm actively pursuing a position with J-Air in Japan for the E170 captains via Parc aviation for those that are also looking for jobs....

[Lear70]

Good luck to those that go for it! I'm actively pursuing a position with J-Air in Japan for the E170 captains via Parc aviation for those that are also looking for jobs....You and about 500 other pilots... :}

Good luck,,, I imagine that E170 CA gig will be VERY popular, and will be increasingly difficult to get without time in type (which I think you said you had).

As the airline market tightens here in the U.S., many more will look overseas.

[JOB HUNTER]

Hi Everybody,
i am looking for a contact to send my Cv to kunpeng airlines .
I am rated on Emb 170 with 3000 hrs on type.
Cat IIIa
any help to send a cv o to call anybody in China ?
Thank you in advance

[bgonzalez689]

As far as I know Kunpeng isn't accepting CV's directly. Pilot's are crewed by WASINC. I was recruited by WASINC so I'm not sure if anyone else is contracting crews for Kunpeng.

[bulldog3]

It is kind of nice to hear so many people in the same situation however, little scary because we are all in the dark. The information I have gathered comes from roughly two resources: manager of recruiting at WASINC, current WASINC employee flying CRJ in Xi’an.

The rapid upgrade program for ERJ-190 (also same for CRJ but going away soon I guess)....its a 3 year contract with an opt out of contract after the 2nd year with 90 days of notice. For non rapid upgrade capt, it is a 2 year contract with opt out after first 6 months with 90 day notice. By opt out I mean there is suppose to be zero financial penalty (doubt they’ll want to back of course) and I will look closely for this in contact. rapid upgrade FO means you are hired as a captain. however the pay is on a different scale. I dont have my notes in front of me but this is roughly what the recruiting manager at WASINC told me over phone.
While in training: 5800/month
IOE: 6100/month
1st year: 6400
2nd year: 6800
3rd year: 7100 (which is 1 st year for non rapid ugprade captain)

As far as I can tell comparing to other airline pay scales for similar airplane, it is a good deal considering first ~85,000 (or is it 85.500 for you CPA) is tax free with US. KP airlines is suppose to pay your Chinese taxes (again will watch for in a contract) I have a whole bunch of papers I received from WASINC and I would recommend going to their website inquiring to see what data they can send you. I have in front of me some info on position, benefits, and tax info on expat status.
I am sure most of you have seen the posts I have seen in various sites and I am seeing two sides the story and I am trying to sort out the two (most think WASINC is good, some think KP is decent, some seem to have had a terrible experience with KP, both worth the investigation). Also, from WASINC manager came 4 emails (only talked with three of em) of people who were willing to talk to potential candidates. All of them are still on the CRJ so its hard to tell if things will change with 190.
but one guy told me he was getting 12-18 days off despite 9 day MIN. Of course it could all change so good luck to all of us. From our emails it seems to be they are being honest and telling it how it is, not how WASINC has asked them to tell it.

I do not work for WASINC but have applied and been in contact with WASINC. they told me they are going to do phone interviews once they get a training date secured for the 190. Currently, wasinc has 3 pilots in Switzerland in training (transferred from CRJ) although they "think" training will be in Singapore sometime in Oct.

I have been told over and over again, read the contract carefully and I have printed the data i have been sent regarding pay, housing (in addition to above numbers, travel allowance which is in addition, and loyality pay).

Please feel free to correct or add info but this is what i have for now.

Good luck

I am another experienced pilot who is SIC “typed” in 170 and I know that they are interested due to lack of pilots and need for them. Whether I am offered a job or go, is another thing a? By the way, ERJ 170/190 is a nice airplane if that were the only factor (those simple times have long gone ;-)

[Immigrant]

bulldog3

Thanks for your info

"The rapid upgrade program for ERJ-190 (also same for CRJ but going away soon I guess)."

I just looked WASINC website a couple of days ago, the rapid upgrade for CRJ already gone, at least it is not on their website anymore.

bulldog3, could you please specify if they are requiring any PIC time on any Jet to be considered for rapid upgrade for ERJ-190. I mean can you apply for this program if you have no PIC ject time, but you do have time as SIC on ERJ-190.

Thanks

[bulldog3]

well, i have not been interviewed via telephone nor offered a job but when I talked to them on the phone, I was suprised to hear they were interested in me with only SIC time in the ERJ-170 (time on the 170/190 really being the key). The recruiting guy said they were looking at a base of 2500TT but this is all unofficial.

now if they had a bunch of 190 captains apply (seems unlikely for previously mentioned reasons), we'd be out of luck mate. I will again, be watching and reading a contract if it comes my way, but my approach to this is it is an upgrade coming sooner than later for me, the money is just fine for such position, and finally my girlfriend and I both love to travel so to live asian is a great thing.

cheers mates!

[Immigrant]

Shenzhen Airlines’ domestic regional carrier Kunpeng Airlines has ordered five Embraer 190s and hopes to eventually get Chinese Government approval for a total of 50.

A senior source at Kunpeng says China’s National Development Reform Commission (NDRC) has granted approval for the airline to purchase five E-190s and the first is to be delivered in late August.

The source says an agreement was signed late last year with Embraer for 50 E-190s but the carrier is still waiting on NRDC approval for the other 45.
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the source confirms Kunpeng will be sourcing pilots from overseas and from Shenzhen Airlines.:ok::D

[JOB HUNTER]

I applied yesterday and now I got some questions?
How do i pay 45 dollars and to whom?
What 's the next step?
Where can i find some infos about kunpeng and china?
When can i expect a call from the wasinc?
Any technical question ? If yes when can i go to check?
Thank you

[teeepee]

hi zha,do they have age limitations?am not rated on th erj but have an airbus pic experience.am interested could you direct me:)

[zah]

HI, If you have A319/320 PIC, I think you should apply for the mother airline: Shenzhen Airlines. They need Captains for their 319/320.
I think age limit to start working is 57 or 60 but not sure at all, and there are always exceptions.
Go to www.wasinc.net (http://www.wasinc.net) and check and highlights of the contract and apply there too, I dont think they charge 45USD for application right now.

I have some friends their and they love it. day trips, great money......oh and very very cheap to live there.

Good luck.:ok:

[Immigrant]

Any updates?:*

[mutt]

If you have ERJ170 left seat time, have you considered applying to NAS AIR in Saudi..... They are paying crazy amounts due to a lack of crew.....

Mutt

[bulldog3]

havent heard much

[Iflyfr8]

Anyone know if they are still hiring CRJ CAs or is it all EMB crews now? How is the cost of living compared to USA? I would really appreciate talking to someone who is over there on contract.

[Hoggin]

I would do your homework before getting involved in anything related to Kunpeng. Kunpeng is a very bad airline and they DO NOT care about you one bit. Wasinc's hands are really tied and they cannot give the pilots what kunpeng will not allow ie:pay, vacation, visas. Wasinc seems to be a good company to work with and they are trying to improve the situation but there are limits. As I said before you do not want to get involved with Kunpeng. If you are interested in any more information just ask and I can tell stories after stories.

[A-V-8]

I have been considering relocating to China as well. Have the guys in Kungpen been promised any type of flow through to Kungpen? Details? Are you guys jumping ship to other places in China because every thing I have seen here is that places in China are not interested in you unless you have time on type?

[rcl7700]

Hoggin,

Would love to hear the stories. Also considering this job.

Thanks

[pilot de peste]

someone got news about the next hirings for Kunpeng (Shenzen) airlines for the CRJ Captains and FO's?

It looks like this will be take a long time to realize.

[Blueair]

Wasinc is the bigest liar in China!

[Ipitch4U]

Run Forest... RUN....

Kunpeng Airlines is a Joke... Wasinc is the punchline!

[Hoggin]

Kunpeng is the worst. They have no idea how to run an airline. The airline is run by a bunch of children. You should see what they do with contracts. Wasinc has no idea what to do either. They are worried about covering their own... and they have left the pilot group hanging out to dry for so long that its finally coming back to bit them in the rear. I would not touch Kunpeng or Wasinc with a ten foot pole. Its unreal whats going on.

[Ipitch4U]

Ditto...!:ok:

[Dash 7 Rider]

Kunpeng and WASINC are not talking, so if you are applying for the EMB-190 position at Kunpeng on the WASINC site, you are barking up the wrong tree.

For EMB-190 Captains, WASINC is only supplying them to Grand China Express. Which could be a pretty good deal.

Kunpeng is hiring through Flight Crew International now, and the advertised pay is 88k. There are no additional perks on top of that. I am not sure how many suckers they are planning on getting, but this deal is not worth looking at.

Hoggin is correct; Kunpeng is the worst. If you want more detailed information on working in China, PM me.

http://www.chinaflightcrew.com/jsp/job/job_006_en.jsp

World Aviation Systems Inc (http://www.wasinc.aero/jobs/ViewJob.aspx?id=37)