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PhilM
27th Nov 2007, 22:27
Well, InternetBrands.com has taken over a few forums I use lately, namely Scoobynet and PassionFord, but I notice that they have made an announcement that PPRuNe has also been aquired!.
Hopefully a nice financial reward for Danny - but how will the site change I wonder?

We intend to continue to expand internationally. In September 2007, approximately 22% of our visitors were from international sources, and we have made several international acquisitions, such as WikiTravel.org, World66.com, PPRuNe.org, and PassionFord.com.

atakacs
27th Nov 2007, 23:04
Wow !

Interresting pick !

cargosales
27th Nov 2007, 23:33
WOW but wondering why there was no announcement on here???

Is there more to this than a simple sale? (cos that's how many 'sales' are done, with some fiddly clauses attached?)

Hoping this doesn't mean any significant changes round here? :eek:

PhilM
27th Nov 2007, 23:39
Doubt anyone will notice any major changed, I expect the aquisition was made due to the traffic this site attracts, radical changes may drive away users.

I'd expect to see more of change on the advertising/revenue generating side of things, rather than the actual forums.

cargosales
27th Nov 2007, 23:51
Well, it'll be nice to have website owners who actually care about advertisers I suppose but will be that be the case I wonder?

*Thinking about two of my clients as potential advertisers that is*

PAXboy
27th Nov 2007, 23:54
At long last we find the real reason behind Danny starting up that brand new 'exclusive' forum for the Pilots to get away from us ruffians in the cabin. :}

ZFT
28th Nov 2007, 06:03
Since when do customers dictate how a business is run? - Don’t like it, vote with your feet, else, to coin an American phrase, ‘butt out’.

Parapunter
28th Nov 2007, 06:40
Spoken like a true Gerald Ratner ZFT :}

Capt Pit Bull
28th Nov 2007, 06:55
Since when do customers dictate how a business is run?

Not exclusively, but to a significant degree - always actually!

pb

green granite
28th Nov 2007, 08:53
EL SEGUNDO, CA (November 19, 2007) - Internet Brands, Inc. (NASDAQ: INET) announced today the pricing of its initial public offering of 6,000,000 shares of its Class A common stock at a price of $8.00 per share. The Company is offering 2,350,115 shares of Class A common stock and selling stockholders are offering the remaining 3,649,885 shares. In addition, the selling stockholders have granted the underwriters a 30-day option to purchase up to an additional 900,000 shares of Class A common stock at the initial public offering price to cover over-allotments, if any. The Company will not receive any of the proceeds from the sale of shares by the selling stockholders.

Hmmmmmmm, is there a co-incidence here I wonder.

green granite
28th Nov 2007, 08:59
And the following

Corporate Profile Internet Brands is a leading Internet media company that builds, acquires and enhances a rapidly growing network of branded websites in the automotive, travel and leisure, and home and home improvement categories. Utilizing a cost-efficient, proprietary operating platform, the Company operates and enhances websites that attract consumers through rich content, opportunities for participation in strong online communities, and user-friendly functionality, which enables the company to sell targeted advertising through various formats, such as cost per lead, cost per thousand impressions, cost per click, cost per action, and flat fees. Internet Brands operated 45 principal websites as of September 30, 2007, and attracted 27 million unique visitors during the month of September.

chksix
28th Nov 2007, 09:05
Same company that bought Airliners.net?

Andrej
28th Nov 2007, 09:40
I think Demand Media purchased a.net.

Cheers
Andrej

Say again s l o w l y
28th Nov 2007, 09:52
I've just seen that Pprune has been acquired by InternetBrands.com.

When did that happen? And how come there has been no announcement?

How is that going effect things on here?

So the old argument that it's Danny's trainset is now no longer valid.

Rainboe
28th Nov 2007, 09:52
This is interesting. Look at the example of Friends Reunited. Started as an enthusiasts/hobbyist site, run successfully as such, and I was a frequent user, finding it easy and fun to use. Eventually grew to commercial levels and attracted advertising. Then lots of useless bells and whistles attached, and the advertising became obstructive to your use of the website, the whole thing is overcomplicated, the user feels a pawn of the advertiserts and I just never ever go there anymore, along with most other users who no longer bother, and Friends Reunited is fast dropping out of sight according to its useage statistics.

This company bought the site to make money from its users, in advertising and marketing. It will become more obtrusive, up to the point people decide they won't come back. Another genuine enthusiasts site will grow. It's Darwin.

Perhaps someone will let pilots have a site where in one little bit only pilots communicate! And definitely no D&G anywhere.

BlueDiamond
28th Nov 2007, 09:59
Well, it was mentioned over on Rumours and News (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=302224) and also on the "Pointless" (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=283554&page=278) thread, but no, no official announcement yet. Wonder why?

BenThere
28th Nov 2007, 10:15
Pprune part of an American company now? The mind boggles.

Internet Brands was born as CarsDirect.com, based in El Segundo, CA.

Chaffers
28th Nov 2007, 10:19
I doubt anything will really change, apart from hopefully Danny's bank account. :)

airborne_artist
28th Nov 2007, 10:25
I hope Danny is much better off, but I fear PPrune will go the other way. I do hope not. :\

brain fade
28th Nov 2007, 10:38
Perhaps,


It will be possible to have a rational discussion (or more likely an irrational rant) about bloody Israel on here without getting banned, now.

Enjoy the money, Danny, if it's true.

tony draper
28th Nov 2007, 10:40
Proon must have been worth a few quid at the height of the Dot Com boom.
:rolleyes:

I'll Be Realistic
28th Nov 2007, 11:00
If it's true, I would be a little supprised. I saw Danny in Orlando a few months ago when he was on an overnight. He told me that he had recieved some offers, but considered it his baby, and had turned them down. (Plus add sales were his retirement fund! Fair play if you ask me)

refso
28th Nov 2007, 11:09
http://livermore.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=fbvdWQvURcNQajB&ID=5553097
We intend to continue to expand internationally. In September 2007, approximately 22% of our visitors were from international sources, and we have made several international acquisitions, such as WikiTravel.org, World66.com, PPRuNe.org, and PassionFord.com.

Huck
28th Nov 2007, 11:18
I've been visiting flightinfo since ~1999. It was a great, pilot-oriented site until the founder was killed in a plane crash.
Now the banner ads look exactly like the side of a Filipino Jeepney, and the discourse is roughly equal to the wall of the men's room. I hope PPrune remains the way it is......

Taildragger67
28th Nov 2007, 11:21
Rainboe,

And definitely no D&G anywhere.

I agree. And no DKNY, Burberry, Versace or Vuitton handbags, either. :}

P.Pilcher
28th Nov 2007, 12:37
Well, this thread has now been on view for sufficient time for Danny or any of his respected moderators in the "Towers" to make some form of official comment. Thus the rumour may well be true and Danny and co have no further need to post reassuring noises to us or their advertisers. After all, they say that every man has his price and presumably Danny has been offered this. Good luck to him!
I can well believe the forecasts of doom that are given above, particularly as there is little point in the high standard of free, gratis and for nothing moderation of this site continuing.
Pity. This site has always been my homepage and thus is the first one I read when accessing the internet - I suppose it is to be expected by a person with a lifetime's interest in aviation and as a private pilot, F/W instructor then CPL and finally ATPL before enforced retirement due medical.
If Danny or anyone else is thinking of starting another site with the same aims and aspirations that this one has had, please PM me as I, like many of my ex-colleagues would like to join!

P.P.

Sallyann1234
28th Nov 2007, 13:26
It will be possible to have a rational discussion (or more likely an irrational rant) about bloody Israel on here without getting banned, now.

testing, testing...

VitaminGee
28th Nov 2007, 13:38
One assumes that those who've paid for personal titles are shareholders and can expect a dividend through the post any time now. :rolleyes:

CR2
28th Nov 2007, 13:40
Israel? Thought this was an aviation site. :rolleyes:

Snappybits
28th Nov 2007, 13:45
If that's the case then you should be quids in VITG...your parrot was on her for a long time

VitaminGee
28th Nov 2007, 13:53
....on who? :confused: ;)

5minMax
28th Nov 2007, 16:01
This bit is a clue to how it all connects:

In addition to our consumer Internet business, we license our content and Internet technology products and services to companies and individual website owners around the world. Our Autodata Solutions division is a supplier of licensed content and technology services to the automotive industry, serving most of the major U.S., Japanese and European automotive manufacturers. In June 2007, we purchased Jelsoft Enterprises Limited (Jelsoft), the developer of vBulletin, making us the largest licensor of proprietary community bulletin board software.

This item and most of the comments above come from a recent US Securities registration document: http://ipo.nasdaq.com/edgar_conv_html%5C2007%5C09%5C25%5C0001047469-07-007195.html

Fokkerwokker
28th Nov 2007, 17:15
please PM me as I, like many of my ex-colleagues would like to join!


Me too! Son of Avsig?
FW

Dani
28th Nov 2007, 17:17
and disappointing that we had to read it in the press first...

ZFT
28th Nov 2007, 18:20
Parapunter


Spoken like a true Gerald Ratner ZFT


My point exactly - Vote with your feet. Owners of any company may do what they like, it's their business. Likewise customers may do what they like also.

mustpost
28th Nov 2007, 19:10
Hack alert... well journo/hackademic etc. Always found this site well reasoned (ha ha) but tons of v clever people clearing the air(ways) most of the time in a very erudite way. Joined to contribute and say - where is Danny on this post? Is it true? Agree the Friends Reunited fiasco and other sell-outs should ring warning bells - guys and gals this has big implications for what was (in the main) a well moderated and unique network...............

merlinxx
28th Nov 2007, 19:26
If true good luck to Danny, may he start many more.

mustpost
28th Nov 2007, 19:41
Spooky or what
2 minutes after submitting my virgin comment, recieved low level fast jet overfly (OK I am on the circuit) BUT just how well connected is Danny? How did he know :eek: ?

bnt
28th Nov 2007, 21:32
InternetBrands.com has the PPRuNe logo displayed on its home page. I can't see how it could be any less a rumour than that.

Doesn't have to be a bad thing. For example, I haven't seen much change to dpreview.com, a top digital camera review site, since it was acquired by Amazon several months ago.

Vino Collapso
28th Nov 2007, 22:14
As has been said before, the lack of Moderator input on this thread or any comment from Danny is clear to all. But then again maybe they are all working for their living. Perhaps the agreement to move the domain to Interbrands included a silence clause prohibiting comment?
Who moved this thread from Rumours anyway if not a Moderator?

I will give it another 24 hours for 'managerial' comment to surface, after that I vote with my feet. Forums are 10 a penny to set up (or any other currency) but take more effort to maintain but a gap in the market is about to surface.:*

mutt
29th Nov 2007, 04:06
I'm surprised that the news took this long to leak out, I heard about this over a month ago.

Mutt

Danny
29th Nov 2007, 06:01
It's a huge conspiracy. Just look at the speculation already. :rolleyes:

If I told you that the sale took place nearly five months ago, how would some of you react? Shock? Horror? indignation? :eek:

If no one noticed the changes since the sale five months ago apart from the fact that InternetBrands carry the PPRuNe logo on their website then it is comical, no... farcical to read some of the speculaltion on here.

Now, back to the conspiracy theory... no moderator input from anyone, including me. Hmm... difficult one but perhaps those of you who do know me realise that I do actually fly B744's on long haul for a living, hence my aptitude for having an opinion and the right to dictate what stays and goes on this website. When I first noticed this thread in R & N, I was on my way home after a long night crossing the North Atlantic. I was sitting comfortably on a train making my way back to my rural abode and checking R & N on my iPhone, struggling to stay awake. Best thing, I thought, was to move the thread from R & N to JB where it would be discussed ad nauseam with the conspiracists (I just made that word up!) making wild claims of future degradation and advertising taking over the site.

Now, after getting some useful sleep and being a little less jet lagged, I have come on here to torpedo the doom-sayers and conspiracists. It is not a secret that I sold PPRuNe to InternetBrands. It's just that I prefer that my private financial life remains that way. It is no business of anyone who posts on here how I run my financial affairs. I have agreed to stay on for at least five years running this website in the same manner as I have always done which is probably why you haven't noticed any changes! :ooh:

However... seeing as it is obviously a bit of a concern to some of you, considering you haven't noticed the change of ownership (as opposed to who is running the show on the forums) perhaps your fears are, if not unfounded, premature. :rolleyes: Perhaps my reassurance that it isn't going to change in any noticeable way is not enough? In that case, then nothing I tell you is going to make a difference and this thread will go the way of most threads in the JB forum, either rapidly downhill and into oblivion or else will continue to rotate like a hamsters wheel as protagonists fail miserably to persuade their adversaries to come around to their own way of thinking in some interminably boring fantasy that only the participants believe in! :oh:

Thankfully, InternetBrands is in a position to provide the necessary support for infrastructure improvements as PPRuNe continues to expand at a steady rate. I do not have to go out begging for financial support from the over 433,000 unique visitors that we get every month, and increasing. We get 1.6 million visits from those 433,000+ unique visitors every month, and increasing. We show almost 14 million pages a month, and increasing. For so many years I funded this website out of my own pocket and eventually set up an advertising revenue to fund it. As it has grown the cost of each upgrade has increased exponentially and finally, an offer was made that made it worth my while to hand over the financial obligations to a bigger company who were prepared to let me continue running this website in the way I have always done.

As for our advertisers, well, they all seem to think it is worthwhile as we obviously reach their target markets and whilst not every advertiser finds it the best medium, we certainly have a large core of long term clients who know that our demographic reach is right for them. We give them an audience at a very competitive rate when compared to other mediums and websites.

So, is that so bad? For some, probably. For the majority... heck, they didn't even notice! :}

So, go on, speculate and conspire. It is self perpetuating and keeps some of you out of the real world for a few more minutes or hours. As for the rest of it, just keep taking part in PPRuNe and we will continue to satisfy the majority of our members and visitors. We can't please all of the people some of the time and we can't please some of the people all of the time. We aim to please most of the people most of the time.

Have a great day y'all! :ok:

arcniz
29th Nov 2007, 06:06
Some very interesting information about Pprune's new home in THIS LINK (http://ipo.nasdaq.com/edgar_conv_html%5C2007%5C09%5C25%5C0001047469-07-007195.html).
--the company owns a lot of online businesses.. probably has reached 'critical mass' in their specialty
--same company acquired Jelsoft.. the company that produces the BBS software used here.
--company pays out A LOT of 'compensation' in the form of stock shares
--they're just registering a whole new pile of shares -- to pay for acquisitions, etc.
--company offices likely offer a nice close-up view of LAX operations (guessing from the address)
Upward and Onward!

------- after reading Danny's comments: WELL DONE, Danny!
Best wishes for growing success in this new phase of operation.

Buster Hyman
29th Nov 2007, 07:18
a few forums I use lately, namely Scoobynet and PassionFord
Oh dear...:rolleyes:...perhaps the new owners will start vetting people at the door?

Okay Ratty, what is it you wanted to get off yer chest about Israel???:E:ouch::suspect:

So, go on, speculate and conspire
Alright! Who are you & what have you done with Danny you lousy pinko commie???:suspect::suspect:

Wet Lettuce
29th Nov 2007, 07:52
The reason for so many members with such a low post count.

The reason why so many new members are not "aviation" professionals.

The change these last few months that requires a casual reader to register in order to read more posts.

The more members a forum has the higher the selling price?

I used to be quite happy just to brows the forums and keep my mouth shut. But now if I have to go through the registration process and log in just to read the posts you bet sometimes I will be tempted to post something!

Now that pprune has been sold to the "big boys" can you revert to the system where only people who have a genuine need to post have to register and let us readers just read?

P.S.

This month (november) the e-mail account I use here has gone from zero junk mail, zero traffic, zero any mail at all to quite a few very interesting offers to participate in several "opportunities"

Nah just coincidence.... :rolleyes:

Speedpig
29th Nov 2007, 08:08
Good point wet lettuce.
I have noticed a huge influx of uninvited emails. I do however contribute to other forums and am aware that any website I may visit could generate similar spam..... so just coincidence???

:uhoh:

Wet Lettuce
29th Nov 2007, 08:21
Just a coincidence...

So as a totally non-aviation professional who has a teeny weeny bit of a background in this internet and cyber stuff I am fascinated by the fact that a forum can be bought and sold.

The only asset is the user database.

US....

tony draper
29th Nov 2007, 08:23
Have a great day y'all! :ok:
Oh Dear!! Danny has started talking American.
:(

Curious Pax
29th Nov 2007, 08:26
Having felt a little guilty for some time over being too tight to fork out for a personal title, despite visiting these parts for many years, it all evaporated once the sale was confirmed.

All I can say is good luck, and I hope your boss doesn't feel too threatened with a dot com millionaire on the payroll!

Wet Lettuce
29th Nov 2007, 08:33
"just keep taking part in PPRuNe and we will continue to satisfy the majority of our members and visitors."

Like a cheap porn site that allows "visitors" to view so many pictures then up pops a message...

"hey there!!!!....."

(non members and those not logged in know the rest.)

Edited for those who don't know.....

Hey there!

It appears that you've exceeded the maximum number of posts you can view, but wait, there's a simple solution. To unlock the forum and continue viewing messages, all you need to do is sign up (http://www.pprune.org/forums/register.php) for a free account. The entire process takes just a few minutes so create your account now (http://www.pprune.org/forums/register.php) and view as many threads as you like!

Already a member? Login at the top of this page to stop seeing this message.

Vino Collapso
29th Nov 2007, 08:38
Thanks to Danny for setting the record staight. I sympathise with the problems of starting something that grows so big it becomes a bit of a monster to maintain.

My concern is that when it started PPrune was run by an enthusiast on a non-profit basis (in fact loss making for Danny) and similar enthusiasts and professionals joined in. Over the years the population has grown to include non-aviation folk, journos etc. Was that good or bad.....well lets not go down that thread again.

This increased population makes it an ideal place for a commercially minded organisation to move in to milk the human resource.

PPrune is now commercially driven by a company who wants to make a profit and will use us, and maybe our registered data, to achieve that end.

Will it make a difference to the feel of the forum, only time will tell. But that is irrelevant to me. I get twitched at being used to increase a companys profits and having my data made accesible to them. :*

The SSK
29th Nov 2007, 08:47
Will the mods get a salary?

Will it be performance-related?

:)

Say again s l o w l y
29th Nov 2007, 08:52
I have no problem with Danny having sold Pprune, it is a big site and needs a lot of looking after, when you are working full time it must be a nightmare.

From his posts over the years I have sensed a certain exasperation at times that wasn't there when I first started posting on here in the dark ages.

What I'm not happy about is the fact that it wasn't mentioned. To me that shows a bit of contempt for the readership. Whether it changes anything is irrelevant, the readership and posters of this site are the only thing that makes it marketable, so to just not bother mentioning it is a bit rich.

If someone had bought a personal title after the sale of the site, where would the money have gone? I would have no problem if it goes to you to keep the place going, but that isn't the case anymore.

Enjoy the money and time away from the place Danny and hopefully this site may get back to what it was a few years ago.

PPRuNe Towers
29th Nov 2007, 09:36
"If someone had bought a personal title after the sale of the site, where would the money have gone? I would have no problem if it goes to you to keep the place going, but that isn't the case anymore."


But you managed to contain the thought of contributing for entire 7 years you were registered prior to the sale as well Say again.

The vast majority have felt same way for a long as the site has existed.

We've always had to live with that - every working day.
You have to live with our way of keeping going.

Rob

Wet Lettuce
29th Nov 2007, 09:55
But you managed to contain the thought of contributing for entire 7 years you were registered prior to the sale as well Say again.

The vast majority have felt same way for a long as the site has existed.

We've always had to live with that - every working day.
You have to live with our way of keeping going.



What changes now?

How does the change in "ownership" of the site suddenly make it viable again?

Where does the money come from to finance the running of this forum?

If it was not financially viable before how does a change of ownership make a difference?

You have to live with our way of keeping going


What is the new "our way" what did pprune trade?

Vino Collapso
29th Nov 2007, 10:01
This is one of many 'fora', 'forii', 'forums' set up years ago when the financial consequences of starting such a project were not fully recognised. Not only by those owning the forum but also those making use of it.

I would like to think that in these more enlightened times anyone setting out on such a venture would charge a subscription fee to finance the monster it may grow into. Then again people may not join a new and un-proven venture if you had to pay.

If Danny had instigated an annual fee to remain a member of PPrune rather than hoping people would buy a personal title would enough users have stayed to make it viable.

Anyway....its all history now and we are part of a huge commercial marketing exercise.:sad:

BlueDiamond
29th Nov 2007, 10:05
If someone had bought a personal title after the sale of the site, where would the money have gone?That's a very important question. I have no idea how many people would have done that (bought titles within the relevant time frame) but the point is that they would have done it in support of what they believed to be a private concern and to "help" the person they believed to be the owner of the site.

If any such funds have in fact gone to a large commercial concern, without the knowledge of the donors, there could be issues associated with that. It's deceitful to let people think their money is "supporting Danny" if the reality is that it went elsewhere. Especially in light of the fact that the sarcastic "buy a title and support PPRuNe" remarks still appear under some usernames ... without accompanying advice to indicate that PPRuNe no longer belongs to Danny.

carbheathot
29th Nov 2007, 10:16
I am gobsmacked.First of all I'm only a humble PPL(some might with justification say why post on here then, my reason is I am fascinated with all things that fly and I learn useful things from these forums.. enough said) I am however extremely careful with my e-mail address , I'm bang up to date with Norton, anti spyware, anti phishing, firewall is bomb proof and I have been wracking my brain as to why in the last few months I have been swamped with Spam. The only site that I subscribe to is this one. Therefore is this sale, and the opening up of the database to cybertw*ts, the reason for the sudden influx of spam on my computer.?
If so Mods, how does one de-register?

Vino Collapso
29th Nov 2007, 10:34
Interesting.....

I just went to change my 'profile' and have found that my date of birth and location are now mandatory fields, which they were not when I first registered.

Now who would that information be useful to...........................hmmmm?

I would not have thought that Danny was interested in how old I am. :eek:

Anyone know when those fields became mandatory?

BlueDiamond
29th Nov 2007, 10:42
Probably about five months ago. :rolleyes:

Say again s l o w l y
29th Nov 2007, 11:11
I have been registered for 7 years and have never forked out for a personal title, I felt the fact that I was contributing to the site was enough. Many others feel the same. My point is that the contributions are worth more than a couple of quid. The time and effort I have put in to help other members of the site with questions and other things is far more important. Without the longterm posters, this site would be worth the square root of naff all.

I still get annoyed about the message under BEagle's username. There are very few who have put as much effort into helping people on this site and yet he has the moniker "I have registered and posted on PPRuNe but I'm too tight to fork out for a proper Personal Title under my Username as I don't care that this service is otherwise free"

You may find that a joke, but I find it insulting.

I am a member of a few other forums, some far, far bigger than Pprune and none have personal titles that you have to pay for.

Even though many have now been sold out to big publishing companies, but each one made statements and let all the users know what was going on. There was still debate, but it most people were very supportive of the people who'd put the effort in getting some reward.

I am glad that Danny has got something for all his hard work, but I will never feel guilty about not having bought a title. I'll bet the money Danny has got for the site, well compensates him for the running costs so far.

But it is a bit rich to think that personal titles are now needed to help "support" Pprune. In fact if I had forked out recently for a title I would consider it money taken by deception.

ScottyDoo
29th Nov 2007, 11:50
Sold? Ha... that's old news...... (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3702895&postcount=30)

parabellum
29th Nov 2007, 11:59
Personally I have always felt that buying a personal title was a bit like buying your round.

Good luck to Danny I say, he has, with some help, born all the cost and time of producing PPRuNe, it is /was his/their personal possession in which we were allowed to participate, that it has now changed hands at a financial advantage to Danny is none of our business, we are, after all, volunteers, none of us needs to be here if we don't want to and if PPRuNe changes so much that we dislike it we will leave without a backward glance.

I'm sure there were some binding conditions within the sale of PPRuNe that included Danny keeping it the way it is and not setting up a competitor web site.

You may choose to shop at Boots, so if Boots sell out to another pharmacy group do you expect to be told, personally?

(SayAgainSlowly - pray tell, how do you put a financial value on your postings?;)).

Danny
29th Nov 2007, 12:01
I told you, it's all a big conspiracy. You are all being milked dry every time you log on to PPRuNe. :ugh: So, goodbye, as I'm sure you'll not want to take part in any of the forums on PPRuNe. Your Usernames have been logged and you will now be blocked. :E

As to the rest of the Muppets who are accusing me of somehow selling out and that your email addresses have been sold to spammers, that level of ignorance and petty whingeing isn't needed on here so I'll just delete your Usernames as I'm sure you do not want to be associated with such a conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Edited to add: In order to clarify what I mean by ignorant Muppets: So as a totally non-aviation professional who has a teeny weeny bit of a background in this internet and cyber stuff I am fascinated by the fact that a forum can be bought and sold.

The only asset is the user database.

US....

Just goes to prove that old analogy that you're better off having people think you are fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt! Wet Lettuce obviously doesn't have the IQ to figure out that if I were to sell a list of 160,000 or so email addresses I'd probably get about $5 if I was really, really lucky. :rolleyes: He obviously can't get his head around the fact that the number of visitors is worth a lot more if I can persuade other companies that advertising on here is worth a bit more than selling an email address with no other associated information. :ugh:

PPRuNe Towers
29th Nov 2007, 12:10
Make an announcement - villagers with pitchforks circle the Towers

Don't make an announcement the same happens with the villagers.

Doing it our way you have 5 months of living proof nothing has changed.

That isn't good enough for some of you. It's no win, never was.

PPRuNe carries on. It will be here tomorrow. You might be here, you might chose not. The sooner we have a couple of drama queens flounce out the better because the rest will see the site continue without a ripple.

Regards again,
Rob

BlueDiamond
29th Nov 2007, 12:17
... if Boots sell out to another pharmacy group ...
That is completely different, parabellum because a customer would always have known they were dealing with a large commercial concern under one name or another. What's happening here is that the business that now owns PPRune could be taking money for personal titles while allowing people to believe that they are supporting the previous, sole owner by donating that money.

Until a proper announcement is made, people have every right to believe that any money they spend on a title, or give as a donation, would be of some personal benefit to Danny, to help him keep his site going. That would be their intention and their expectation. To help HIM keep HIS site going. People might well feel inclined to help Danny, they might not look so favourably on the prospect of "helping" a multi-million dollar business. If the money is in fact going elsewhere, it is deception.

Parapunter
29th Nov 2007, 12:25
Anyone canxd their AA membership because Permira bought it? Thought not...:rolleyes:

Vino Collapso
29th Nov 2007, 12:33
The AA is a business, Boots are a business, PPrune was not a money making business.

Rule 1 of management.....keep your team informed of what is going on if you want to take them with you. You still get to make the executive decision in the end. Treat them like mushrooms and........well....:rolleyes:

Wedge
29th Nov 2007, 12:46
Jeez guys....... what's all the fuss about?

Say Again Slowly - sorry to say this, but you need to get a life.

I still get annoyed about the message under BEagle's username....You may find that a joke, but I find it insulting.....

But it is a bit rich to think that personal titles are now needed to help "support" Pprune. In fact if I had forked out recently for a title I would consider it money taken by deception.

How much does a personal title cost? I can't remember how much I paid for mine but it was well under £10 and given the far too many hours I have spent on here over the years I'd say that's more than value for money.

I personally couldn't care less if the site has been sold, and now we've now been told exactly why (although we don't really have a 'right' to know do we?) - it makes perfect sense.

As for the site ever reverting to what it was a few years ago: forget about it.

Things change, websites grow, this one is now phenomenally big and it can't and won't ever be what it was 5-10 years ago. Deal with it.

There's more to life than PPRuNe. It's a great website and I still enjoy coming here and getting involved in the odd debate. For less than £10 in nearly 10 years, I can't complain that I haven't had value for money, and to suggest that these bylines for those who haven't dipped into their pockets are 'insulting', is frankly, a bit sad.

Lost_ethics
29th Nov 2007, 12:49
From what I understand danny sold PPRuNe (+Traffic) to InternetBrands, who have control of a large variety of forums, they have the added infrastructure to deal with the continual growth of PPRune... Website stays the same, lower basic costs for hosting etc, more users trying to be recruited, higher advertising revenues, increased profit margins. PPRuNe was useful before it was sold... And it still is now. I just hope the useful posts are lost as some users up leave... :(

chuks
29th Nov 2007, 12:56
I faxed Danny the money, in cash, mind you, for access to the ultra-secret domain of total aviation professionals so where is that password? What a rip-off!

Boy, am I ever glad I never forked out for a personal title. This is almost as bad as the time I found out that the fries at McDonalds weren't vegetarian.

Oh well, the cows they make the "beef" from are, so that things could be worse, I suppose.

Let me just add, with reference to that other, recent incident, that it wasn't me or my associates and anyway you cannot prove it.

Anyone know how to get grease off a tu-tu?

BlueDiamond
29th Nov 2007, 13:02
Anyone canxd their AA membership because Permira bought it? Thought not...:rolleyes:People who bought such a membership ... or goods from Boots, or any such thing ... would not, for one moment, have thought that they were helping someone they perhaps regarded as a friend, colleague or "familiar forum owner who needs supporting." People buy the services or goods you mention (knowing full well that their money goes to a commercial concern) because they need to have those goods and it matters not a rat's arse which business the money goes to under those conditions.

When you buy a title or make a donation, it is done for one reason only ... to help the person you believe to be the owner of the website. Not because you needed a title, but because you wanted to help Danny. It matters not if you spend fifty dollars on a title, or make a donation, if the money does not go where you intended it to go, or where you believed it was going, then whoever took it obtained it by deception.

Anyone know how to get grease off a tu-tu?
Dry cleaning would be best, mate. Your pink one is it??

Nardi Riviera
29th Nov 2007, 13:05
You might be here, you might chose not. The sooner we have a couple of drama queens flounce out the better because the rest will see the site continue without a ripple.

Well said, Towers :ok:

I for one wouldn't regret if some "contributors" were so kind as taking their "business" elsewhere... :rolleyes:

R4+Z
29th Nov 2007, 13:24
Wedge

Say Again Slowly - sorry to say this, but you need to get a life.


A more inappropriate comment I couldn't think of in view of Say again slowly's current thread!

Danny

Congratulations your hard work has paid off. I do however empathise with Blue Diamond. The value of the site isn't just the number of visitors it has, it is the content that brings them back time and again. Let's face it without the characters and valuable information supplied by the regulars here the site would be unsustainable. Hope you don't have to delete too many users from the site as your new masters may not approve. Oh and I would currently like to keep on visiting from time to time as yes it does not seem to have changed under the new management

Wedge
29th Nov 2007, 13:31
Ah, I'd forgotten about that - I don't pay much attention clearly.

Apologies for that, but I'm sure Say again wouldn't want to be treated any differently because of his current health problems, with which I wish him all the best for a speedy recovery.

Vino Collapso
29th Nov 2007, 13:35
My final word on this subject as I am now starting to bore myself as well as everyone else.

I found this statement regarding Internet Brands earlier acquisition of two travel forums.

Business Model

Internet Brands recognizes that even the prospect of commercialization of some community driven sites, such as Wikipedia.org, has produced controversy among community members. Internet Brands believes the goals of the community can be facilitated and enhanced by thoughtful monetization strategies. For example, numerous wiki sites currently carry non-obtrusive, cost-per-click advertising in order to fund operating costs and future development.

The current Wikitravel site has no advertising, while World66.com has two types of monetization: Google adwords and link revenues from a hotel-booking partner. Over time and with community input, Internet Brands will consider context-relevant commercial links that would be consistent with the project's goals and that would enhance the overall utility of the site to users.

Interesting that the subject of 'commercialization of some community driven sites' has led to concerns before.

Off now to consider which dress I will wear to flounce off in.:p

Danny
29th Nov 2007, 13:45
Dontcha just love it! Lots of "flouncing" and "drama" here. :D

Now, about those personal titles.... I believe that I still get the dosh from them because of the time it takes to set each one up. You wouldn't believe how dirty it can get under the bonnet of this thing each time I have to bolt on a new PT.

I just hate it though when I have a few nuts and bolts left over! :{

Keep flouncing... it makes for entertaining reading when a few posters take themselves too seriously and start wailing and gnashing their teeth.

Parapunter
29th Nov 2007, 13:47
Some of you guys could argue in an empty room!:rolleyes: Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

BlueDiamond
29th Nov 2007, 14:25
Dontcha just love it! Lots of "flouncing" and "drama" here.
Well it IS a time-honoured tradition in Jet Blast. It's what we do best. :suspect: :E

Thanks for the response re the money for PTs.

frostbite
29th Nov 2007, 14:40
I was going to anonymously donate a few hundred thousand, but I heard you could get into trouble for that.

Bahn-Jeaux
29th Nov 2007, 15:13
Well as long as the new owners dont screw it all up with an annual membership fee à la Friends Reunited or start hitting us with pop up surveys and other annoyances, what's the big deal.

Its the contributors that make a forum work in the main and as long as we keep getting the same content of wit, eloquence, informed knowledge and uninformed stupidity together with the odd smattering of carping, sniping and bitchiness, forum life will go on and if it doesn't, I propose that Herr Draper be given free rein to impose discipline and order in his own inimitable style.

ConPilot can then come out of retirement to ferry the miscreants away to the forum of their choice, either that or a free fall parachuting lesson over the North Sea..without a parachute.

So to conclude and to state what others have said many times over in various threads over time.....Its Danny's ball and he can do what he wants with it whether we agree or not.

If you dont like it......leave, simple innit.

Footnote,
I have no affiliation with Danny and I found the brown envelope in the street.

pigboat
29th Nov 2007, 15:16
Presumably, one of the inherent rights of ownership is the right to sell whatever it is you own to the highest bidder. Good luck Danny. :ok:

say again quickly
29th Nov 2007, 15:26
Selling Pprune is Danny's right. He started it and put massive amounts of time, energy and money into it. So all power to him in that respect, but it doesn't take two minutes to let the plebs know what is going on.

You may say "it's none of your business" but I beg to differ. It isn't about ego but having a community of posters who all contribute like some wierd amorphous family. There will be falling outs and arguments, but that just makes it a more interesting place.

But in reality since the sale I would argue that InternetBrands might think that it's their trainset now. But what does that really matter? Very little will change in reality, it's just nice to be kept informed.

So can we all kiss and make up and can I have my access rights back please, it's rather dull being caught in a feedback loop of server busy messages!

unstable load
29th Nov 2007, 15:27
Bahn Jeaux,

Even if the new owners do screw it up, people with the same interests will come together to bitch and snipe and chat and laugh in a new hall down the street.
That is the joy and power of free will.

Clarence Oveur
29th Nov 2007, 15:34
There has always been a 'talking down to' tone used here. So why anybody is surprised of the Modus Operandi is beyond me.

con-pilot
29th Nov 2007, 15:51
Well, I just have one thing to say about the first post on this subject by Danny!

conspiracists (I just made that word up!)

I rather like that new word. :p

That's all folks, nothing to see here, move along now.

oliversarmy
29th Nov 2007, 15:52
Anyone that doesnt like Danny selling his toy has a touch of the green eyed monster about them ;)

OA

P.Pilcher
29th Nov 2007, 16:10
Well, now we know. Of course it is totally Danny's right to do whatever he likes with his board and his reasons for doing what he did are totally understandable. As others have said, it would probably have been better for an appropriate announcement to have been made as soon as the sale was done and dusted, which would have cut out much of the doom and gloom posted here. At least for the next five years we can expect PPRuNe to continue as it has in the past and as there is now corporate finance behind it give us an even better service than it has up to now. I notice that the servers are getting overloaded AGAIN. Never happens on (say) the BBC site which is huge.

P.P.

merlinxx
29th Nov 2007, 17:16
So many people have gained so much from PPRuNe, that is a FACT that cannot be taken away. Five people who have PM'd me through PPRuNe have been placed in positions they wished for. Also the open information exchange is worth much more than any training programme could provide.

Well done, and it's got **** all to do with anyone else what you do with your
projects, keep going.

Best wishes and damn good luck.

Arthur's Little Helper.

PS.There's allot of folks on here owe much, much more than a few ales or 20 year old malts!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UL730
29th Nov 2007, 18:34
First noticed that Company No. 04232290 had been dissolved on 19 June 2007

Waited to see if any new influences or differences evolved and honestly cannot see any.

The probability is that it will not substantially change externally but there will be infrastructure amendments and improvements that will remain subtle to the average user.

A really good success story that proves pilots can be commercial. :ok:

Loose rivets
29th Nov 2007, 18:59
I'm just curious, what is the hardware like that is needed to run a forum this big?

I recall a chap in Southend in the early days of www-ing, and he set his kit up in the garage of his home. It sold for a true fortune.

It's an immutable fact that there's thems that think about doing things, and those that get on and do them. Setting up a forum was one of the things I thought about doing.:(

Evening Star
29th Nov 2007, 19:45
When I first noticed this thread in R & N, I was on my way home after a long night crossing the North Atlantic.

PPRuNe must while away those long hours over the North Atlantic...:ok:

http://web.mac.com/christopher.reeves/Site/PPRuNe_files/PPRuNe%20on%20the%20flight%20deck.jpg

ShyTorque
29th Nov 2007, 19:53
The sooner we have a couple of drama queens flounce out
OoH... get you lot! ;)

Seriously though, I've witnessed (from a distance) Danny gnashing his teeth over this website since early 1995.

More correctly, back in those days it was more of a bulletin board. Danny had to gather and send us all a bunch of emails. I, and others offered some moral support from our various places around the globe on occasions in those early days when it was all getting too much to carry out a career upgrade from turbo-props to jets and to manage / moderate too.

I say well done to him for finally getting some recompense for all his hard work and sleepless nights and no doubt a fair number of painful "elbows in the ribs" from Mrs F. :ok:

I'm staying, but then I'm probably an addict.

P.S. Not forgetting the long enduring efforts of trusty squire, PPRuNe Towers. :D

AA SLF
29th Nov 2007, 20:30
Evening Star -

I know of a corporate pilot whose plane had a sat-phone installed. He would "proon" while crossing the No. Atlantic. How do I know this fact, he would tell us where he was in chat . . . . :p

Good Luck Danny . . . .

EvilKitty
29th Nov 2007, 21:04
I notice that the servers are getting overloaded AGAIN. Never happens on (say) the BBC site which is huge.

Hmm.. there is a slight difference in scale and infrastructure there.

Capacity planning is not easy. You need to make decisions on how much spare capacity to have - do you have average load + 20%? +50%? Or do you base it on peak loads? Do you take account of spurious high load events? But then all that spare capacity costs money - for hardware, software, bandwidth and administration. And when its not being utilised, its just sitting there doing nothing - but still costing you money.

I think Danny made the right decision - after all his chosen career is as a pilot, and this is a "hobby" - albeit a very time consuming one.

Danny - I thank you for this wonderful site which has been a source of inspiration, knowledge and (truth be told) complete and utter BS. But it's all good and learning to pick the good bits from the bad is half the fun :} And good luck to you Sir, both in your chosen career and your continued involvment in this time consuming hobby of yours :ok:

kiwi chick
29th Nov 2007, 21:27
Hahahaha, fantastic picture! :D :D :D

I just want to know if it's now easier to get kicked out? :sad:

If not, I'm here for the long haul. ;)

SATCO Biggin
29th Nov 2007, 23:25
Slight thread creep but how many Moderators are there, or have been seen as active lately?

How can you contact them?

I see Danny has turned his 'private messages' off.

GrumpyOldFart
29th Nov 2007, 23:27
this thread will go the way of most threads in the JB forum, either rapidly downhill and into oblivion or else will continue to rotate like a hamsters wheel as protagonists fail miserably to persuade their adversaries to come around to their own way of thinking in some interminably boring fantasy that only the participants believe in!


Why, thank you, Danny! At last! JB and its members have been recognised as being equal to the Professional Pilots in R&N!

:E

BlueDiamond
29th Nov 2007, 23:50
... how many Moderators are there ...
Difficult to say. Several folk who used to be moderators are no longer doing that yet their names remain on the "moderator list."

How can you contact them?
I suppose you could send a PM to someone who appears to be a moderator and they will tell you if they can assist or not.

Saab Dastard
30th Nov 2007, 00:10
Slight thread creep but how many Moderators are there, or have been seen as active lately?
How can you contact them?

You don't - we find you! :E

Seriously, I believe that you can use the "contact us" link at the bottom of every page, in the blue ribbon.

SD

kiwi chick
30th Nov 2007, 00:13
And they find you even when you don't want them to! Just say:

****
****
***
***** or
****

and one will turn up! :E :}



(please note, I put the asterisks there MYSELF, I am not THAT naughty)

Capot
30th Nov 2007, 00:23
In the bottom left corner of the page is a little arrow. Click on it and you will see PPRuNe's statistics. Yesterday 22:27


Can anyone explain why Sierra Leone has so many prooners?

con-pilot
30th Nov 2007, 00:57
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm :suspect:

This just showed up on AOL.

"The perfect forum for airline conspiracy theorists: PPrUneby Grant Martin Nov 27th 2007 @ 8:30PM

If you ever want to read some great airline conspiracy theories rumors over your smoke break, check out the Professional Pilots rUmor network or PPrUne.

This forum is home to a community of airline enthusiasts and professionals alike and you'll find a great deal of data about any sort of mishap or news in the aviation world discussed among their threads.

It's also kind of creepy finding out a pilot's interpretation of some of the hijinks that the airlines downplay. As metafilter blogs, initial reports of "vibration in the No. 2 engine" by the FAA were later decrypted as "uncontained engine failure" by the community. It's great that when Dateline NBC and 60 Minutes aren't out there scaring our pants off, PPrUne can step in and do the job when needed.

I mostly tease. The PPrUne has always been a great resource for me when I need to learn more about the happenings among the airline folk, and I love their members dearly. Make sure you take the posts with a grain of salt though; as the forum title states, it is the Professional Pilots Rumor Network. Think hard about the statistics of airline safety and performance before you fly (pun!) off the handle and put your aluminum helmet on."


Coincidence, I wonder.

Never the less. Nothing to see here folks, move along now, move along.

Goer Round
30th Nov 2007, 02:30
Perhaps now the permanently banned can be unbanned - particularly those of us who paid for a personal title and now have no access to that particular ID.

As this particular ID is also, I suspect, invisible to all then I guess that my comments won't be seen by anyone.

What a shame that I can no longer sue Danny over his (or more properly his 2IC) blatant and unwarranted discrimination and the money that I have already spent instructing a solicitor would appear to be wasted. :ugh::ugh:

corsair
30th Nov 2007, 11:05
For the benefit of the conspiracy theorists who think they are being spammed more now than before it was sold. I just checked the email address linked to pprune and found precisely 13 bulk mail messages none of which could be described as targetted. My main email account, unknown to pprune, is bombarded with dozens of Spam messages daily.

I suggest you look elsewhere for the source of your spam.

Buster Hyman
30th Nov 2007, 11:44
Try Tescos.....

SLFguy
30th Nov 2007, 13:06
"Can anyone explain why Sierra Leone has so many prooners?"

Is it possible that all the 'Africa' hits are being attributed..some dbase **** up?

Vino Collapso
30th Nov 2007, 21:43
OK...how do you de-register from this forum?

The main man is not accepting PM's. so I sent a message to another Mod 30 hours ago. No reply.

An Email address I haven't used for quite a while still appears to be recorded along with my current address.

Is all our data locked in here for ever more?

I haven't read the small print....when we sign up do we agree that our details become the proporty of PPrune to pass on to whoever they want without any consultation?

I do not want to be overly aggressive but why cannot someone give a straight answer round here without resulting to claims of 'conspiracy'.

:{

con-pilot
30th Nov 2007, 21:52
Just leave and don't come back.



(Cause you might want to come back someday. ;))

Vino Collapso
30th Nov 2007, 21:58
Thats straight enough, pity it didn't come from a Mod.

regards

Vino

(around in other names since Avsig and only leaving due to Mod attitude)

Dushan
30th Nov 2007, 22:45
Perhaps,


It will be possible to have a rational discussion (or more likely an irrational rant) about bloody Israel on here without getting banned, now.

Enjoy the money, Danny, if it's true.

Every time I said something bad about Iran, I got banned:confused::confused:

soggy_cabbage
2nd Dec 2007, 08:42
I am saddened by the fact that this discussion was effectivly terminated by the "server too busy" situation.

However, some of us were asking valid questions, and also expressing concerns about the future of pprune.

Maybe we were being too dramatic, offensive or just not explaining things.

To keep things simple I will ask you to cast your attention to one real world example.

http://flyertalk.com/ (don't bother clicking on that link, I will provide more direct links)

Why do I bother?

In order to clarify what I mean by ignorant Muppets
<snip>

Just goes to prove that old analogy that you're better off having people think you are fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt! Wet Lettuce obviously doesn't have the IQ to figure out that if I were to sell a list of 160,000 or so email addresses I'd probably get about $5 if I was really, really lucky. :rolleyes: He obviously can't get his head around the fact that the number of visitors is worth a lot more if I can persuade other companies that advertising on here is worth a bit more than selling an email address with no other associated information. :ugh:


That was not nice,

OK here we go! (Background:- Randy Petersen sold out to internetbrands and all seems not to be going the way he thought)

http://flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=383

Now that link is worth looking at for a while, check out the threads.

Specifically, http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747085

Read the full thing... Randy had no clue the extent that IB could use his data.

Also, this thread is more troubling.

http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=722728

This time I will post a quote from the ex owner of the site.

This is something that can certainly be looked in to. With the purchase of FlyerTalk by Internet Brands, those types of advertising decisions have been assumed by Internet Brands and I'm not sure what they have allowed or not allowed into the system as none of my team is involved in that any longer. What I can do is ask about these types of ads so that you and others interested will know what the current view and operating decision is.


Just ONE real world example and a possible view to the future?

Or just a conspiracy :ok:

kiwi chick
2nd Dec 2007, 19:37
Vino.... I refer you to another unhappy customer...

Mod Complaint (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3742441)

that I happened upon this morning just while coincidentally surfing the threads.

It would appear you're not special. :E ;)

BRL
2nd Dec 2007, 20:16
so I sent a message to another Mod 30 hours ago. No reply.

As you are prob aware it could be the mod is away right now. I know one is on holiday in The Bahamas or somewhere like that, Danny does long haul and can be away right now, most mods here do shifts/long haul/short haul and so on and that could be a reason, there are a number of reasons for no response and don't forget we all do this in our spare time, the mod you got in touch with could be busy with something, his pc may not work, I don't know, but I am sure there is a good reason for not getting back to you.

Who was it you got in touch with?

only leaving due to Mod attitude

Who and why.........?

Bus429
1st Jan 2008, 09:59
My attitude is that Danny is quite entitled to do what he wants with PPRuNe; his baby, after all. Well done and enjoy. I'm glad I bought a personal title to assist in the lean years: I got a lot out of PPRuNe.
My beef is with the tendency of some threads - originally legitimate and reasonable in content - to degenerate into slagging matches. Funny way for professionals to act. I'm sorry to note that it is the pilots' threads that seem to distribute the most bile.
I've not spent much time on PPRuNe over the last few years, perhaps longing for the good-natured exchanges in Jet Blast with people like ykikkamoocow and others in the late '90s. It has changed - not always for the better - and the changes have more to do with the quality of threads rather than the administration of the forum.
Edited to reflect that I'm not going to give it a miss due to the fact that there is too much good stuff in Jet Blast: especially "Photos of Everybody".:)

harpy
1st Jan 2008, 12:06
Quote:
"My beef is with the tendency of some threads - originally legitimate and reasonable in content - to degenerate into slagging matches. Funny way for professionals to act. I'm sorry to note that it is the pilots' threads that seem to distribute the most bile."

You should not assume that a professional pilot was responsible for a posting just because you read it on a pilots' thread. Professional pilots are a very small minority among pprune members.

El Grifo
1st Jan 2008, 13:39
Screw it.

I for one am sticking with it. First found Pprune in 2000 and is still the only forum that I am associated with.

Always guaranteed some great satire, good aviation stories and news, some rough politics with some top quality put-downs.

Although there has always been an unpleasant patronising and condescending attitude from the Big D, I have learned to live with it and ignore same.

Good luck you complicated fellow, I mean that sincerely.

Long live Pprune :ok:

Do not add me to the banning list just for being honest.

BlueDiamond
1st Jan 2008, 23:21
This has been the only response so far on that issue, Mike Jenvey ...

Now, about those personal titles.... I believe that I still get the dosh from them because of the time it takes to set each one up.As you say, it's a bit vague. Deliberately so perhaps? When I asked about that issue, I had forgotten about the questions of donations and profits from goods sold. I think the questions do need to be answered more specifically so that folk can make an informed decision based on where their money is going.

Lots of people wanted to support "Danny and PPRuNe" but perhaps not so many would be interested in "supporting" a multi-mill. company. Does the "pilots' sponsorship fund" even still exist?

Bus429
2nd Jan 2008, 06:37
Harpy,
I said I'd be giving it a miss but I have to comment:
You'll note that I did not single out pilots, just the threads. That said, the content of some "biley" threads indicate that the contributors were pilots.

Doesn't really matter; the thrust of the thread is the evolution of PPRuNe.

Barkly1992
2nd Jan 2008, 09:09
My God - it is 2008 and I didn't know - or notice and I visit every day.

Danny congratulations - well deserved. We all like to see and support people who come up with good ideas and turn them in $s even if they are US$ and not A$.

Well I will just have to come back and continue to contribute because I do it because of the content and the thousnads of other participants - Not Danny what's his name.

Happy New Year every PPRUNE.

:D

nosefirsteverytime
15th Jan 2008, 09:43
Bladdy 'ell!

I had no idea for the past few months!

Danny, congratulations on all that sweat and tears finally reaping a reward.

Enjoy your nest-egg, you deserve it mate :D

Bronx
15th Jan 2008, 14:08
Are you thinking of paying for a personal title?
If you aint why are you so hung up about it?

:confused:

Taildragger67
15th Jan 2008, 14:17
Bronx,

He (MJ) might or might not be, but others certainly might be.

Clarence Oveur
15th Jan 2008, 14:19
Under most usernames it still says "..order a personal title and support PPRuNe...". I would say that knowing exactly where the money paid for such a title goes, is of interest. I would even say that these notes under the usernames are misleading, as it is unknown where they money actually ends up.

frostbite
15th Jan 2008, 14:37
Is it really any of our business where the money goes?

Clarence Oveur
15th Jan 2008, 15:00
Is it really any of our business where the money goes?

I would imagine that a number of people have bought personal titles after the sale of this site. Until the sale was announced here, these people would rightly have assumed that the money would have gone to a PPRuNe owned, run and paid for by a number of private individuals. They might even have bought the personal title for the purpose of supporting these individuals in running the site.

Granite Monolith
15th Jan 2008, 21:21
Hopefully a nice financial reward for Danny - but how will the site change I wonder?



I doubt Danny cares - but still the same old moderating, post reviews before being viewed etc. Even after two PT's were purchased.

Beggars belief half the time:rolleyes:

Keef
16th Jan 2008, 00:21
Wasn't PPRuNe Danny's creation, to do with as he pleased?

The telling part, to me, is that for five months nobody even noticed. Even then, it was material from outside PPRuNe that revealed the information. So where's the beef?

Apart from all those "The server is too busy" messages, that is...

BlueDiamond
16th Jan 2008, 00:44
So where's the beef?There's no issue as far as I know with the fact that PPRuNe was sold ... it was Danny's to do with as he wished.

There IS an issue, however, (or could have been) for those people who bought a personal title between the time PPRuNe was sold and the time the sale was publicised. Now, if those people bought their titles just because they wanted them, then that's not really a problem; they would not be concerned about where the money goes because they wanted to buy the title anyway for themselves.

However, those people who were prompted into "doing the right thing" (by those messages that appear under everyone's user-name), and who bought a title in the sincere belief that they were helping Danny and supporting PPRuNe, would certainly have parted with their money under a mistaken belief. The sale of the site should have been announced immediately so that people could make an informed decision BEFORE they parted with their money. It would have also been the ethical thing to do to make it crystal clear where any personal title or donation money would be going. People may have been very happy to support Danny as the owner of PPRuNe, they may not have been so willing to give financial support to a large, financially thriving, corporate entity.

And that is absolutely a "beef."

So far, Danny has explained that he thinks he still gets the money for personal titles as compensation for the time taken to set them up. There has not been any indication so far as to what happens to outright donations, or money from the sale of PPRuNe caps, badges etc.

So ... nobody has any issue with the sale of PPRuNe, or so I believe, the concerns mainly lie elsewhere.

LegallyBlonde
16th Jan 2008, 04:30
Agree completely Rainboe. Started here in Oz as schoolfriends.com.au then merged with friends and became so commercial, drove you mad with unwanted solicitations etc. Site is no longer user friendly and I never go there either.

Romeo Oscar Golf
16th Jan 2008, 16:03
We're doomed!!!

Private James Frazer (played by John Laurie)
Every town has a purveyor of doom and gloom. Everything, according to him, will turn into a disaster.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/roghead/jl.jpg


Frazers of Prune unite .... stand up and be counted.
I must admit though, the silence from all Mods has been deafening- some don't even acknowledge PM's.:(

Taildragger67
16th Jan 2008, 16:15
'Said Hanrahan' (http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/txt/1573.txt)

Flintstone
21st Mar 2008, 13:59
Who gives a flying toss?

Some disturbing traits being demonstrated here, almost stalking.

BlueDiamond
21st Mar 2008, 14:18
Who gives a flying toss?
Quite a few people. Especially those who don't like to see members of this website being "persuaded" to part with money under false pretences. We have had a definitive answer from Danny on the question of where the money for personal titles will now go, so that is all open and above board as it should be. The number of completely misleading "buy a personal title and help support PPRuNe" statements under people's names seems to have been greatly reduced so we can possibly assume that they are being deleted one by one ... which is entirely appropriate given that the money does NOT benefit PPRuNe in any way at all.

Good to see the management of this site starting to do the right thing by its membership, especially in the area of false advertising.

Flintstone
21st Mar 2008, 14:48
:rolleyes:

Let's be honest. Most people buy their 'titles' for their own gratification and at the price of a couple of drinks I hardly think it worth spending hours researching the new owners and hounding others.


Who gives a flying toss?

Quite a few people.

I'd disagree. They're hardly all piling into this thread chanting "We want our money back" are they? As always with the 'anti' brigade in any sphere they think that just because they bother to stir things up they are in the majority. Meanwhile the true majority wander past shaking their heads in bewilderment.

Bushfiva
21st Mar 2008, 14:51
They're boilerplate disclaimers. Get a life, MJ Schadenfreude-induced woody boy.

Hmm, original post seems to be deleted now so this no longer seems apposite. But "schadenfreude-induced woody" has a nice timbre, it would be a shame to delete it right now.

BlueDiamond
21st Mar 2008, 15:23
Meanwhile the true majority wander past shaking their heads in bewilderment.
Could that be because the "true majority" have not bought titles and are therefore very careful to avoid the issue?

I see the art of brown-nosing is still practiced here by those who think management would never do the wrong thing.

Clarence Oveur
21st Mar 2008, 15:51
I see the art of brown-nosing is still practiced here by those who think management would never do the wrong thing.As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent.

Flintstone
21st Mar 2008, 17:27
Could that be because the "true majority" have not bought titles and are therefore very careful to avoid the issue? More like the true majority don't feel the need to raise their status on an internet bulletin board. I've been here for over ten years (had a previous username) and contributed to the fund by attending bashes. Decided I didn't like the way the fund was managed so stopped contributing. Note that I don't have an insecurity title either. Kinda blows your theory.

I see the art of brown-nosing is still practiced here..... No need to feel bad about it. Some of you obviously feel the need to band together ;)

Pontius Navigator
21st Mar 2008, 18:16
Although it would seem you can't buy a personal profile now:

viz Flinstone:

Over 1000 posts and I obviously didn't want a Personal Title which I can't get any more.

And I was even thinking of paying today, or as soon as I got paid this month.

And under my name:

I registered and posted thousands of times on PPRuNe but I was never going to fork out for a proper Personal Title under my Username.

Which I can confirm is wrong but which I cannot now prove.

Others would seem to be:

Instead of being 'just another number' I could have ordered a Personal Title and been a bit different

I've only made a few posts and didn't feel the need to order a Personal Title even though it would have helped keep Danny in the manner to which he has become accustomed

Bravo73
21st Mar 2008, 19:24
I've only made a few posts and didn't feel the need to order a Personal Title even though it would have helped keep Danny in the manner to which he has become accustomed

My personal favourite. Refreshingly honest! :D

Pontius Navigator
21st Mar 2008, 19:29
Bravo, and if it was still apposite and available it is a n excllent reason why I would contribute.

But I can't?

Pontius Navigator
21st Mar 2008, 19:34
Personal Titles

Whilst this is available:

It really bugs me that I keep getting pestered to order a Personal Title after airing my opinions on here over the last 8 or 9 years.

On others it is not.

Bravo73
21st Mar 2008, 19:40
They do seem to have disabled the Personal Title facility. Maybe in light of the feedback post sale.

But maybe a request to Danny himself will help you get the last ever Personal Title? Heck, maybe that can be the Personal Title! ;)



(Just noticed - that's a lot of 'maybes'. Usual disclaimers obviously apply.) :O

hellsbrink
21st Mar 2008, 19:46
For some reason, I am struggling to understand why so many people have a fetish and are getting their panties twisted over something they have never been forced into buying.....

For god's sake, GET A LIFE!

Flintstone
21st Mar 2008, 19:54
Mike, tell me how much you paid for the fecking title and I'll send you the money myself if only to put a stop to this petulant whinging.

Nobody cares. Trust me on this.

Ken Wells
21st Mar 2008, 20:06
Girls please

Pontius Navigator
21st Mar 2008, 21:12
Hunderd Pounds? Marriott Hotel Huntingdon :}?

JuCo
21st Mar 2008, 22:47
Hi,

I've noticed that there's been some interest on this board in reaching out to Internet Brands.

The correct avenue for that is to send an email to
[email protected]

I'll be happy to answer any questions!

Thanks,
JuCo

con-pilot
21st Mar 2008, 22:52
You're a very brave person JuCo. I would highly recommend that you start wearing flame proof undergarments as soon as possible. :E

Good Luck! :ok:

BlueDiamond
22nd Mar 2008, 00:39
I'll be happy to answer any questions!
Thanks JuCo. Your appearance here is appreciated.

BlueDiamond
22nd Mar 2008, 04:29
More like the true majority don't feel the need to raise their status on an internet bulletin board.Perhaps, Flintstone, you would care to explain to those of us less knowledgeable than your good self, exactly how a personal title is supposed to "raise a person's status."

Or perhaps you could describe for us how any "status" is even acquired in the first place in order to be raised (or lowered).

Potential claims could, for example, be made for defamation, negligence, personal injury, breach of contract, unfair competition, false advertising, invasion of privacy or other ...Regardless of the many attempts here to divert attention, this was always the only issue here with regard to personal titles. Once it was made clear that the money from these transactions did NOT go to "support PPRuNe" then there was always the potential for the above-mentioned type of claim until any such suggestion (that money thus acquired did benefit PPRuNe) was removed from the site.

Where did that other post from Mike Jenvey go?? :confused: I did copy the email addresses from it so I know it was there.

Flintstone
22nd Mar 2008, 12:58
Buggered if I know Bluey, you tell me. Seems to me that some of the people getting excited about their beloved titles are also those that crave the limelight. If a fiver's worth of pixels is all you have to worry about I'd say your life must be pretty good. Personally I find it amusing. It'll certainly tide me over until the weather warms up and I can torment wasps in jam jars again.

Mike. I don't "know" what the issue is and frankly I don't really care. I'm bemused as to why you think you've been ripped off. You wanted a title. You got it. Where have you lost out? (Rhetorical question, please don't answer, my boredom threshold is fast approaching as it is).

frostbite
22nd Mar 2008, 13:12
I know it is possible to 'ignore' a Poster but, is it possible accord a thread the same treatment?

BlueDiamond
22nd Mar 2008, 13:36
... is it possible accord a thread the same treatment?Yes, and it is really quite simple ... just follow these basic instructions.

* Go to the JetBlast main page.
* Locate this thread by its title.
* Don't click on it.

Flintstone ... you're being deliberately obtuse. Most people understand what this is about and your attempts to make it seem like something else probably won't work. People here are a bit too smart for that sort of tactic. I'll explain it one more time ... It's about misleading statements, not about having/not having, buying/not buying personal titles.

At least the owners of the site are taking the matter seriously.

EKKL
22nd Mar 2008, 14:21
It's about misleading statements

As far as I can see the statements have been explained by Danny among others.

What is the problem now, why drag up all this rubbish like what Mike Janvey has written about in his last post. I cant understand all the legwork he is putting in (have you not got anything better to do) to prove what exactly, and to whom, I mean, lets face reality here, no one really gives a toss to be honest, get a bit of a reality check done guys.

It is an internet forum at the end of the day, it is not national security issues we are tlaking about here or life or death or anything serious like that, you two need to get out a bit more and I mean in real life as well as JB....

Tell you what, let us do a vote.

"Who gives a toss" and

"Who doesn't give a toss".

Can someone sort that out please... :)

Bronx
22nd Mar 2008, 16:03
BlueDiamond

"Flintsone ------ Most people understand what this is about and your attempts to make it seem like something else probably won't work. People here are a bit too smart for that sort of tactic."

People here are a bit too smart to be drawn in by a few people with an obsession and too much time on their hands.
I've read the posts and I understand what it's about. Just because people don't agree with you don't mean they are being obtuse or don't understand what your saying.
Danny gave an explanation a long time ago. Most ppruners didn't give a toss anyway and just enjoy a great site.

B.


EKKL
Good post, but you don't need a vote. Just look at the thousands who log on to pprune every day and the small number who are trying to keep this garbage going.

Maybe the Mods should change the title to The Really Really Boring And Pointless Fuss About Nothing Thread. :)

Flintstone
22nd Mar 2008, 18:22
<shakes jam jar>


http://www.drdudd.co.uk/homelife/mini-wasp.gif



Hehehe:E

BlueDiamond
23rd Mar 2008, 09:24
Oooh look! A nice shiny new name for the thread! http://209.85.12.227/12099/121/emo/PMSL.gif

As far as I can see the statements have been explained by Danny among others.
Yes, they certainly have, EKKL, but the explanation is "buried" in amongst the posts on threads that might not be seen by newcomers to the site. For as long as the "help support PPRuNe" tag continues to appear below some user-names, the potential remains for people to be misled.

Hmmm ... nothing from Mike Jenvey and Clarence Oveur for a while and the timing of some posts seems to be all over the place ... what's the story? No, don't tell me ... it's the dreaded censorship isn't it? What was yer first clue, Sherlock? :rolleyes:

Pontius Navigator
23rd Mar 2008, 09:45
Blue, I was wondering the same thing. The message under the title seems to change but we cannot influence that, ie buy a title. Odd? Why bother calling us names if we can do nothing about it.

That is part of the question MJ was after.

And I wonder where he is? Must admit love the name Clarence Oveur but not really seen enough to get his flavour.

Manuel de Vol
28th Apr 2008, 06:30
"Since when do customers dictate how a business is run? - Don’t like it, vote with your feet, else, to coin an American phrase, ‘butt out’. "

Err... That's exactly how customers dictate how a business is run.

If you run a business, who signs your paycheck? - Joe C. Customer. If he goes elsewhere, you can write your own paychecks and sign them yourself ... but how many times will your Bank Manager honour those cheques when there's no money coming in?

If you don't like your customers, then I suggest that it's in your interest (not mine) to learn to do so, or get yourself another job.