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SpringHeeledJack
20th Mar 2008, 15:45
I was seething gently this morning after reading about this nice chap who has just arrived back into 'old blighty' after being deemed persona non grata in Oz. Now i imagine that the cousins dunnunda are abiding by the law and have exported this miscreant to his last port of call, but why now ???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7306300.stm

He has lived in Australia since 1952, so is de-facto naturalised (i'm guessing) and the opportunity has been there for the authorities to have kicked him out long ago. I imagine that the costs of the flight home, including his police escorts wasn't cheap, but what i find most disappointing is the lack of human respect and consideration to the British people by the Australian government in dumping this person amongst us. If he had lived there for the last 10 years i would be more understanding, but his disgusting traits are against children and now there is a reasonable chance that he will at some time in the future strike again and some child/children will become victims of his miscreant tendencies. I see it as simply having a ticking time-bomb planted amongst 'our' children. How would the cousins feel if this was the other way around. Would Gordon and co allow such a thing to happen ?


Seething Regards


SHJ

Wiley
20th Mar 2008, 16:06
Whilst I understand your anger, stand by for some (I suspect) rather intemperate replies from Dunnunda, Jack. The individual in question has lived in Ozmate since 1952, but never bothered to take out Australian citizenship. He's not alone in that; some tens of thousands of British passport holders have lived in Ozmate for many years, quite a few since the late 1940s, but prefer to keep their British citizenship. Most see it as an advantage to retain their British passport - it's easier to travel to some countries with a BP than an Australian passport. The downside of doing so is that if you break the law repeatedly and you're not a citizen, it's within the government's power to declare you to be an undesirable alien and send you back to the country of which you are a citizen.

They did the same thing a year or two ago with a Jugoslav passport-holding drug dealer who'd been in Australia since he was a child. He held a hunger strike outside the Australian embassy in Belgrade and (I think) they relented and lucky old Australia has him back again.

I'm sure there'd be a few British mothers who'd like to see this chap holding a hunger strike outside Australia House in London.

Curious Pax
20th Mar 2008, 16:15
He has been deported now because he just completed a 12 year prison sentence. In common with the UK (despite what the press would have you believe) the Ozmates also like to deport non-citizens on completion of prison sentences on the basis that they have abused the host country's hospitality. This unsavoury individual seems to have served several prison sentences - presumably the deportation post-sentence action wasn't in vogue so much after earlier sentences were completed.

Don't blame them for wanting rid....

Ozzy
20th Mar 2008, 16:23
de-facto naturalised

I'm not sure there is such a thing. He would have to have had applied for citizenship.

Ozzy

airgrunt
20th Mar 2008, 16:29
but what i find most disappointing is the lack of human respect and consideration to the British people by the Australian government in dumping this person amongst us.

Typical pommy arrogance............you know why he's being sent home.Because we can. :D

allan909
20th Mar 2008, 16:30
No such thing as de facto citizenship. I became a citizen as soon as my statutory "probation" ended. So if I get done for topping my ex wife, for example, then I get to stay here!

I get an Oz passport but I also get to keep my Brit passport (helps with the queues at either end!)

Ozzy
20th Mar 2008, 16:33
Of course, this does raise the question of nature versus nurture.....

Dives for cover

Ozzy

tony draper
20th Mar 2008, 17:19
Well he will be in clover now,there'll be a dozen social workers rushing about seeing to his housing needs buying him furniture doing his food shopping seeing that he gets all the pensions and benifits ect.
:suspect:

SpringHeeledJack
20th Mar 2008, 17:20
(Typical pommy arrogance............you know why he's being sent home.Because we can.)


If i were an Australian i would wish such a person to 'disappear', but surely in view of his crimes and the nature of his character there is an implied duty of care from the society in which he lived for over 90% of his life ?

(Of course, this does raise the question of nature versus nurture.....)

Interesting point, assuming that he wasn't born with this malfunction, it could be argued that he 'became' the way he was/is by his upbringing in Australia (family, society, etc) and therefore is a product of Oz. If i were living in any country and this were happening it would concern me, so not really pommy arrogance, it is the principle of the thing, especially from a civilized country to dump this onto another. If this man was harbouring a highly infectious disease that was known to damage only those who couldn't defend themselves, then it wouldn't have been allowed to happen. And yes i realise that AIDS fits that description.....

Some might argue that in todays UK, one more miscreant deviant won't make any difference, but just think of all the ramifications of his next attack(s), messed up children, families, like the ripples of a stone thrown in a pond. He is a known danger and should have stayed incarcerated in his adopted country indefinitely. He's not some robber, fraudster etc after all.


Regards


SHJ

BlueDiamond
20th Mar 2008, 17:30
... some tens of thousands of British passport holders have lived in Ozmate for many years, quite a few since the late 1940s, but prefer to keep their British citizenship. Most see it as an advantage to retain their British passport ...

We do not require any person applying for (and acquiring) Australian Citizenship to renounce their previous nationality or to surrender their previous passport. A Brit who becomes an Aussie citizen always retains British nationality and may keep a British (European) passport as well as an Aussie one. The only restriction we have is that no matter how many passports are held, the person must leave or re-enter this country using their Australian passport only.

ShyTorque
20th Mar 2008, 18:02
Could be worse. At least it's not Gary Glitter.
Whatever, I hope he gets run over stepping off the kerb at Heathrow. :*

ZH875
20th Mar 2008, 19:12
I don't want him here but I have to say what the Aussies have done is the right thing.

Hopefully one day, the UK will deport criminals back to their own country when they are released from jail.

DX Wombat
20th Mar 2008, 19:48
Hopefully one day, the UK will deport criminals back to their own country when they are released from jail.We already do. We just don't hear about it very often.

Sailor Vee
20th Mar 2008, 19:53
We do not require any person(my bold and italic) This comes from a POM! Sorry, Bluey, me-dear!

If you look at the number of people expelled from the UK at the end of sentences etc, it was almost 4000 last year, what's wrong with the Ozmates getting rid of some filth. 'Tis a pity they couldn't take him to the middle of the NT and put him into a permanent 'dream-time'!:sad:

assuming that he wasn't born with this malfunctionI think that's too big an assumption.

ZH875
20th Mar 2008, 20:14
We already do. We just don't hear about it very often.

Then why is it against the Human Rights of that murdering italian scumbag to be sent back to Italy?

Sailor Vee
20th Mar 2008, 20:23
Coz that's only European human rights?

1DC
20th Mar 2008, 20:26
You came across a bit arrogant their AirGrunt.
You are right of course, everyone should get rid of their undesirables if they have the opportunity. The trouble is that we don't do it often enough..

SpringHeeledJack
20th Mar 2008, 21:08
I believe that every country should have the right to expel non-nationals who choose to abuse the laws of the land and i realise that there are many unsung expulsions every year from the UK (as an example), but in this case the subject is a clear and present danger to children, he WILL attack a child again (according to the experts). If he had gone off for a few years to Oz and caused trouble, then fair enough, but after 56 years......??? I believe that is another kettle of fish altogether, even if the law in Oz allows this. What would have happened if he was only 6 months old when landing in Oz ???

For me it's an abuse of the relationship between two developed countries to interpret a law in this way, just because you can. I understand the disgust of the Australian people towards this man, but he is one of their own. He has effectively never known any other society and that he never (?) applied for naturalisation and an Australian passport in the 56 years he lived there is perhaps due to the fact that he never left Oz or ever intended to.......


Regards


SHJ

BlueDiamond
21st Mar 2008, 01:40
This comes from a POM! Sorry, Bluey, me-dear!
I'm Australian, Sailor, so I can't really say "they" I have to say "we." To be exact, I suppose, I'm an Australian of English/Irish descent who carries a European passport as well as an Aussie one.

parabellum
21st Mar 2008, 05:48
If it makes you feel any better and seethe a little less SpringHeeledJack, we got sent here from UK those two evil bastards that tortured and then murdered three year old Jamie Bulger.

G-ZUZZ
21st Mar 2008, 08:06
I'm Australian, Sailor, so I can't really say "they" I have to say "we." To be exact, I suppose, I'm an Australian of English/Irish descent who carries a European passport as well as an Aussie one.

Sounds more like you're confused. A little like those Lebonese who were confused about who they were until the cousins started dropping bombs all over Lebonon recently - they all suddenly remembered the "spare" passports they'd conned and called in the aussie embassy to save their aussie souls.

People who refuse to commit by keeping a foot in each camp should be taxed by both govermints.

Wiley
21st Mar 2008, 09:12
parrabellum makes a good point. The two unspeakables who murdered Jamie Bulger have been given "new lives" in Australia, why is totally beyond me and I suspect 20 million other Australians. And if one or both of them ever take another life in similar circumstances while living under their new identities, I suspect the PC Police will ensure we never get to hear about who they really are.

Jack, I think you'll get very little sympathy from Australians in your outrage. Between miolesting little boys, this low life pond scum could have, at any time, applied for and been granted Australian citizenship, but like many tens of thousands of British passport holders who've lived in Australia for many years, he couldn't be bothered, and in his case, that decision has come back to bite him.