Ryanair Salary

[SIL27]

Hey guys...

I have been searching on this site to find some more information about the Ryanair deal but get different information.

If you join Ryanair through their Cadet program what can you expect to earn?

During Training I guess nothing... But what happens when you have finished TR? After Base Check, after Line Check etc etc...

For how long do you normally fly before being offered a contract at Brookfield or Ryanair and what is the deal then?

Thanks.

[virginpilot1087]

I put a post about this a couple of months ago and it really was like trying to get blood from a stone, but managed to get info, the deal so far, and people might say this is wrong, but its first hand as I have just started line training but not recieved my first pay packet yet.

TR - Earn Zero

Line Training - €15,000 a year contract, but line training only takes about 2 months to meet the requirements for your line check, so expect two packets of €1250 less tax and NI, I dont know if there deducting this or if I do it like when I switch over to a Brookfield contract after the line check, people might say I am crazy not knowing everything black & white, but I am flying now, money is due and I am happy so no bother, the little details will catch up as time go's by and I am free to move on if I so wish.

F/O after Line check - €60.50 per block hour, less €4.50 I belive deduction towards your sim recurrent stuff, most people are making lots of hours despite rumors that you dont fly as much once you cost more to be in the cockpit? a friend of mine is still under the 500hours on type and he's taking home just over €3000 a month

F/O after 500hr on type - €80.50 per block hour less the sim deduction.

F/O after 1500 on type - €85.50 per block hour less the sim deduction, which by my calculation from my friends last wage slip puts him on €4300 once he gets over the 1500 hour mark and not a great deal less after the 500hour mark.

hope that helps.

[virginpilot1087]

From what I understand a way a lot do it out the gate to get some $$$ back in the bank is the new tax year runs april to april, just bank all the tax money to earn interest, then in april 2009 now submit tax form and that gives you until april 2010 to pay it right, by which time you have earnt 2 years tax money all banked earning interest.

I could however be wrong on that and as I am still yet to go see my accountant when the $$$ start to come in the door,, so we will see the best way to do it,, but yea, def dont not pay, they will repo your kids!

[Walker Texas Ranger]

They make you pay for recurrent??? Its bad enough you have to cover your own type rating...

[Flying Farmer]

I'm actually glad to have turned their offer down, pay for own rating then fly for nothing for a few months, sod that for a lark :=

Come on guys, get your heads out of your asses and stop eroding conditions.

[Rhodes13]

Cue the usual Ryanair are lowering conditions. Nearly a record almost 6 posts without it turning into a RYR bashing exercise.

Flying Farmer where does it say you fly for free? Training salary is 1250 euro for about two months. Liveable for the period of time until you get onto normal pay.

And for the record I just did 800 in my year so I dont know where the 5-600 hours comes from.

Can you please tell me what other airline doesnt bond you or offer reduced pay to pay for the type rating? Or an airline that is taking such large numbers of low time cadets?

But hey ho RYR and its pilots have destroyed the industry!

[BerksFlyer]

They make you pay for recurrent??? Its bad enough you have to cover your own type rating...And an interview. In any industry their conditions are a joke. Really gets up my ar*e that their terms are accepted. It's like bending down and saying, oh yes Michael O'Leary, destroy my profession, then also drag everyone else down with me. And you know that MOL loves it.


Can you please tell me what other airline doesnt bond you or offer reduced pay to pay for the type rating? Or an airline that is taking such large numbers of low time cadets?

Do tell if you know any airline who charges for recurrent sim checks, uniform and interviews.

[Rhodes13]

People seem to ignore the facts. Many airlines make you pay for an interview the esteemed Cathay pacific make you pay initailly then they pick up the tab and plenty of airlines which run cadet courses make you pay for the interview but hey its only RYR. Its been said many times, talk to the right people and you dont have to pay a cent. All you need to do is some research!

RYR contracted pilots DO NOT pay for recurrent training. They do get allowances for the rest. Contractor pilots do. The debate about whether this is right or wrong is moot as those are the conditions.

What gets up your arse about conditions? The fact that in general they are comparable to other airlines pay wise. Yes I agree management are a pain in the arse and constantly take and take but name an airline in the world that isn't trying to get their pilots to do more and more for less and less.

But hey its all bad its all RYR. We should ask Danny to rename/ create a thread on PPRUNE entitled slag off RYR then we could put half of the crap the gets espoused on here as fact in there.

[Boeing 7E7]

What gets up your arse about conditions? The fact that in general they are comparable to other airlines pay wise.

Are terms and conditions really comparable? The take home pay so often quoted is comparable, but that's it. And that is after adding payments for so called extras such as parking, uniform allowance etc..

The pension is awful - what, 5% on a very low basic salary. Compared to 12- 15% on much higher basic salaries in First Choice, Thomsonfly, Thomas Cook etc

Off the top of my head, this is what's included with most other airlines:

Private health care (eg BUPA)

PHI

Free uniform

Dry cleaning vouchers to clean uniform

Annual Holiday concessions (worth up to £1500, for example)

Free parking

Free medicals


If you were to put a value on all these things and add them to your salary, then I think you would be quite suprised at the true difference between Ryanair's salary and other jet operators!

[RAFAT]

But hey ho RYR and its pilots have destroyed the industry!

You're not wrong there!

[Finman]

F/O after 500hr on type - €80.50

Beware of Catch 22: If you achieve 500hr on the 1st of the month, you work the whole of that month at the previous, lower rate. The new rate is only effective from the end of the month in which you achieve 500 hours. Up to now this is not written in your contract; it is simply sprung on you as a surprise when you query why you didn't get paid what you were expecting. Therefore, also watch out for 'tactical' rostering to put you in a position of disadvantage. They save themselves €2000 by doing so.

I have recently spoken to an F/O who is in discussion with Balpa about taking this issue to court.

Off the top of my head, this is what's included with most other airlines:

Don't forget Loss of Licence Insurance. Ryanair don't provide any at all.

[Walker Texas Ranger]

After doing my research, Ryanair really is a crap airline! However, O'Leary is a genius... He is able to take the European aviation system and use it to his advantage. Low time pilots really dont have any way of getting into a jet unless they buy their type...

In the US, there is very little paying for training... It has been common practice for us to become flight instructors to build time and then get hired at a regional airline that will type rate and pay us while in training. The reason is that airlines need pilots. The ones that are qualified arent willing to pay for a typerating. The airlines cant get away with it, unless youre Southwest in which case CEO Herb Keller helped Michael O'Leary build the Ryanair model. Thats a whole nother debate though and is not the norm...

In Europe, general aviation doesnt exist like it does in the US. Therefore, becomming a flight instructor and building time is not an option for all these low time guys. If you didnt go through an ab-initio program with an airline, you have no choice but to pay to go to work at a place like Ryanair.

I disagree with this system, but it makes sense. Its simple economics. Supply and Demand... O'Leary has a supply of jobs and there is a supply of pilots who demand those jobs. He can manipulate the system however he wants as long as people are willing to work under such conditions.

[ReallyAnnoyed]

A further note, WTR, is that you can actually get a nice salary in regionals here in Europe which is difficult in America. At least that is my impression, but you're more than welcome to correct me if there are some proper regional companies in The Land of Money as well :)

[SIL27]

Thanks a lot guys for all the help... The reason why Im asking is because I have an upcomming interview with Ryanair but to be honest Im in doubt whether or not to take it. Im already Captain at another airline so maybe wait for something better to come up :-)

Good luck to you all.

[Say Mach Number]

I think with any offer you must weigh up not only the salary but the package.

As far as basic numbers are concerned here goes for permanent Capt:

Salary @ £58K gross
Sector pay £24 'net' per scheduled block hour
Pilots Allowance £5K gross
Leave £60 'net' per leave day
Pension is £5K which the Company match which is nearer 9% of basic not 5% as suggested.

Its true Ryanair dont pay for medicals, uniform, parking, LOL etc but the company have slowly given those things back but in the form of the allowance. They dont want to employ someone to administer those things so they give an allowance and say its up to us. And some like that approach. Its your money do what you like with. Be sensible and use it for all the above or just put on all red at the casino its up to the individual.

But the roster is the main point here i believe.

5 days on 4 days off pretty much fixed
Wrap around days for leave ie 5 days leave = 13 days off
28 days leave gives about 70 days off per year plus your other regular days off.

Ryanair however is what it is. Its either for you or its not. Most people stay ten years or ten months! Its never going to be BA/LH/KL. However opportunities come round quick in Ryanair.

I am lucky that I am still in the final salary pension which closed to entrants in 2000 and but should you reach TRE you earn @£125-130K.

Hope this gives a balanced view.

[stansdead]

Saymachnumber

I understand a lot of leave is rostered upon you. i.e. ou never know when it's coming.

Also, don't forget you have to bring your own gash bags !! How's that for erosion of terms and conditions?:yuk:

[ThatsRight!]

Capt at Irish base - Equivalant gross salary of 132,000 euro.
I pay 5,000 towards pension - company matches with 5,000; can add more yourself.
Above figure includes 5,000 allowance given back to cover medical, uniform etc.
Roster 5 on 4 off fixed 1st April - 31st Dec -- 5on 3 off can be allocated 3 times 1st Jan - 31st March, but never is.

Best points about company;
Great bunch of blokes u work with,
Great roster,
Well maintined fleet.

Its not for everybody though.

Hope this helps.

[virginpilot1087]

lol,,, stansdead! hes there again with gash bags! lol,,,, i have never laughed so much, do you sit and wait for a post to come up where you can mention bringing your own gash bags? did you have an incident as a child with them or something? you really do seem to have a problem with that!

for the record this is how difficult it has been with them this month, after take off when the number 1 calls to say do you need anything, i say yes, some hot water for my hot chocolate (dont drink coffee) and a gash bag if you have one, after about 45seconds she brings in both! lol,,, that really is a struggle of a day.

[Ollie268]

hey guys, where can i find informed figures for F/O on the brookfield contract? Ive looked around but havnt found much...
Cheers!

[virginpilot1087]

how about the top of this thread??? :ugh:

[main_dog]

People seem to ignore the facts. Many airlines make you pay for an interview the esteemed Cathay pacific make you pay initailly then they pick up the tab

:confused:

Sorry mate, but you're the one with his facts mixed up... Cathay invites you to the first interview (any travel/accomodation expenses are your concern) but they certainly don't charge you for the privilege of being grilled....

Matter of fact if you make it to the second interview they fedex you a CX ticket to get to HKG (albeit in economy:suspect:), put you up in their hotel AND pay you a generous per diem (allowance) for the two days you spend there :ok: which I thought was fairly impressive.

Then if you get hired you are IMMEDIATELY on full payscale plus allowance from day one.

Matter of fact their generosity and professional demeanour during selection process/ initial training is one of the reason plenty of talented professionals have been "suckered in" to work for them!

There may be a lot wrong with CX :{ but frankly I wouldn't work for Mr. O'Leary :yuk: if he came begging me on his knees!

Rant mode off

[stansdead]

VirginPilot

It's not what my mates tell me. They hate the place. And they DO have to bring their own gash bags. Perhaps, with youthful good looks and inexperience on your side in Ryanair, the hosties are just breaking you in gently?? lol:)

Watch out. Hot Chocolate will make you fat too...

One day you will agree with me. How much lower can it go in FR??

[pre3l2s]

And Stansdead, where exactly do you work? Are you in £80,000 of debt with only a handful of airlines recruiting. Tell me of anyone else recruiting bar FR, flybe and CTC.

I've been sitting here idle watching your comments recently and all you do is slag off every other airline apart from your own.

If you are such a perfect individual who works for such a great outfit tell us what you would do in a position such as the above....

[Capi_Cafre']

Anybody care to tell a Yank what a gash bag is?

[speedrestriction]

Fire-proof bag you put the passengers' rubbish, sorry, garbage in.

sr

[stansdead]

pre312s

Your indebtedness is not my problem, or of any interest to me. You borrowed it, you must pay it back.

You are obviously very new to this game, so I will cut you some slack.

But, as long as there are people like you, praising your Chief Exec on pprune and elsewhere, then the worse your pay and conditions will get. And by extension, so will everyone else's.

Our industry used be one where we as pilots were respected. Now, we are reduced to being called "mate" by passengers and cleaners. That has a lot to do with the fact that we have let ourselves be bullied into submission by people like your boss.

In a few years time you will understand what I mean.

The sad fact is this: You know nothing. You are new into FR anf course you are pleased to be there. However, you have no idea how badly shafted you are and just what a poor deal you are on. Even your Skippers pay is low, when compared, like for like with airlines that offer you any knid of benefits at all.

Enjoy your flying, but don't believe the hype. You will hate it soon enough is my guess.

Good luck in repaying your debt. It takes ages. I know.

[Wonder Boy]

The salary figures quoted in the posts on the first page of this thread are accurate. However they don't mean anything. Even the salary figure written down on your ryanair contract is meaningless.

Management in ryanair have regularly made 'errors' in the salary figure written on contracts;.......you contact management to inform then that you are receiving less money into your account than you should be and that wages going in are significantly less than the contractually agreed sum. They then say to you that there has been an 'error' made......' Sorry, we accidentally gave you a contract with too high a salary. We will send you a new contract with a new lower salary figure. I suggest you sign it.'

Agreed dates for incremental pay increases are equally meaningless. Conditions of such increases are subject to the creative interpretation of management.

I assure you there is no hyperbole in my post.

The good empathetic souls constituting ryanair management are required to be continuously innovative in they way costs are reduced.

They will lie, cheat and break the law. Have a look at the recent thread called 'Pilot wins £70,000 after pay dispute' in the rumours and news forum.