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airship
17th Mar 2008, 21:31
...at a time and place of one's choosing, denied (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7301566.stm).

We all finance weapons of mass destruction that could reduce every living creature to cinders in "the blink of an eye". Yet, when the request "for release" comes from an individual, even heads of State, even the Nicholas Sarkozy is not brave enough to accede.

What do they fear?

A massive throng of fellow citizens wanting similar release?
A loss of taxes from their early demise?

Everyone should be allowed the dignity of ending their lives if they're convinced there are no other options. Being obliged to go to a foreign country in order to do so legally, says a lot about those who lead and the country itself perhaps. Shame on you and on me too. :sad:

PS. Any Yanks out there with a surplus .38? Just mail it to me OK - just in case. :ok:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
17th Mar 2008, 21:35
Judging by the poll numbers and recent election results in France, I would say that yes, the right is to die.

BOFH
17th Mar 2008, 21:42
Very sad indeed. More here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTLvJNPefkU

BOFH

tony draper
17th Mar 2008, 21:50
At least we have made some progress, up to 1961 suicide was classed as murder, albeit self murder,and in theory one could be arrested tried and crazy as it seems even hanged for attempting suicide, obviously if the attempt was successful you got away with it.
These case are sad but always at the back of my mind is, why ask the permission of the authorities?
:uhoh:

airship
17th Mar 2008, 23:00
These case are sad but always at the back of my mind is, why ask the permission of the authorities? Because it's the medical profession who hold the keys to a relatively pain-free hereafter. There are always alternatives: the gas oven, car exhaust, hitting a bridge support at high speed on the motorway, throwing oneself off the top of a high building - none of which are fully-guaranteed and would be obviously highly traumatic both to the individual directly-concerned and those left behind.

What will you do Drapes, when the hound eventually succombs and you're left alone? And decide that you can't take in another because of your advancing age? I have a solution to that, something I've been thinking about for the past year. Where old people and younger animal-lovers take on the responsibilities of looking after hounds and pudicats leftover by even older people who've gone on...? So that no matter how old anyone ever gets, they will still enjoy their animals until the very last moment possible. And be assured that their pets will continue to live in the way their masters would have wished.

I've killed a pigeon that had been savaged by a cat (not one of my own). I participated actively in the euthanasia of one of my pudicats recently that didn't want to die, and given sufficient financial resources and a "better" vet perhaps, might even today be reclaiming his spot on the couch. I regret that and miss this pudicat immensely almost 3 months afterwards.

I would like the choice to die peacefully and relatively painlessly, once my remaining and very old pudicat succombs. No way will I take her to the vet. If she is suffering and in obvious pain, I shall end her misery myself. Violently, because that is something I can do (have done so in the past) but speedily, and with utter love in my regard. Or maybe the stray pudicats that I feed regularly will change my mind. I don't know.

I insist on and demand the right to end my own existence under circumstances that I've chosen if or when that day arrives. All I ever wanted was a small abode where a dozen or so stray pudicats could find a home and spread out on the bed. That's impossible in the UK or France anymore, because people use houses and property in general as "chips" in the great casino of life in the early 2000s. You will cry in the end, for yourselves, for succombing to government-promoted directives which encouraged you to direct all your available financial and emotive resources during your lifetimes mainly towards owning your own homes, forgetting conveniently that your / our lives are short. When the day comes that you need comforting for whatever reason, just address your request at the Inland revenue or whatever...? :rolleyes:

We should be proud of 21st century "democratic government". Even if we no longer protest anymore. Whereas our own dreams are shattered daily, we're encouraged by the "goodness knows who owns the media" to regard the lives of others in China, Zimbabwe or wherever and reflect on our own fortune. And when it comes to ending it all, be forced to address our demands in foreign places. Such is the bravery and empathy of our elected politicians and...our fellow citizens? :sad:

God, how I hate the 21st century (Patton might have said something similar had he lived)... :yuk:

chiglet
17th Mar 2008, 23:07
airship
I humbly apoogise for "micky-takes" on another thread
watpiktch

airship
17th Mar 2008, 23:33
Lots of time to discuss that in the hereafter mate. Uhmmmm, there is one isn't there? Just like there's a rainbow bridge... :hmm: Oh well.

tony draper
18th Mar 2008, 00:01
I suppose everybody has given some thought as to how they would end it if it ever became necessary at some time or another, either as a intellectual exercise or a pub conversation ect,and looking around the towers I could come up with a few ways that would not be to gruesome,but then one must consider that either one's mind or body might not be capable of carrying out the act if indeed it every became necessary.
I have nothing philosophically against requesting euthanasia if one was in dire straits because of pain or helplessness, the problem I have is with leaving it up to the medical profession whom I trust about as much as I trust the Legal Profession,or what would be worse leaving it up to politicians, now call me a old cynic but I suspect It would be old people blocking beds in NHS hospitals who would suddenly have no quality of life and are suddenly candidates for the black pill and don't think it would not happen because it most certainly would.
:cool:

airship
18th Mar 2008, 00:28
I have no doubt that modern governments, should they so wish one day, be able to persuade the elderly that their best interests (along with those of their descendents) would be to end it all , relatively painlessly, when their time comes.

One day, perhaps when immigration becomes an extremely offensive term, they will be forced into coming up with suitable solutions. It also helps that no modern state allows any special consideration for pets. Distant cousins from whom you've heard nought for the past 30 years might have a valid claim. But your pets, well...petfood companies have made a fortune selling petfood with a real content of <=4% of whatever is shown on the can - I once worked out that it was actually cheaper feeding my pudicats expensive fresh fish fillets...?! Except of course, we don't really know what petfoods are truly made from. Wouldn't it be a surprise to learn someday that unhealthy petfoods financed democracy in various countries? There are stranger things...?!

Whatever, I wish that Drapes always has a hound for company and an internet connection... :ok:

PS. I'm not 16, but 47. And I shall not swear allegiance to any Queen. (Bows head whilst saying so, proudly, obviously.)

chiglet
18th Mar 2008, 00:30
Lots of time to discuss that in the hereafter mate. Uhmmmm, there is one isn't there?

There certainly is [I hope]...depends whether we are on the same journey I go "up" you go "down" or vice-versa. If we ever meet in the "hereafter" I will buy you a drink of your choosing. ['cos you like moggies] :D
On behalf of Lucy [mum] and Liz [Ratbag daughter]
watpiktch

tony draper
18th Mar 2008, 00:32
One has no worries on that score,should one's clogs pop tonight I know of a least six people who will fight to the death for ownership of SWH.
:rolleyes:

LordGrumpy
18th Mar 2008, 02:05
This is another of Pprunes great threads:that don't have to have many pages; but have thoughtful input.

ampan
18th Mar 2008, 02:27
How can you not be in awe of them? They're like that really hot girl in Chem101 who would talk to you, but "just as a friend". Cats make it perfectly plain that they are just using us, and that they could go elsewhere whenever they please, yet we cat-lovers pour all over them.

When my 16 year old Burmese dies, he'll have a proper grave with a modest wooden plaque - and as I type this, he's looking up from my lap (because it's warm) thinking "you stupid fuggin loser".

27mm
18th Mar 2008, 14:09
ampan, I have to agree with you about cats. A while back, the Memsahib (a lifelong fan of Keats) and I both stayed in Rome and while there visited the house where Keats died. The curator there suggested also visiting his grave (in the same cemetary as Shelley). We got there, on a beautiful balmy afternoon and sat on a bench near to Keat's headstone. We were alone, apart from a large, mottled grey cat with amazing green eyes that ambled up to us from Keats' grave. Without further ado, or encouragement, he jumped up onto the Memsahib's lap, stared straight into her eyes, then curled up and started purring. He remained like this for some 20 minutes or so, then just as strangely, loped off. Sure, there is probably a rational explanation for this, but it escapes me. I like to think, as does the Memsahib, that it was something to do with Keats himself, but that's probably wishful thinking......

cats_five
18th Mar 2008, 15:27
Airshop, please don't feed your pudcats raw fish as the main part of their diet. A moment's though reveals that the natural diet of a cat is small rodents and birds, and I can assure you they don't just eat the prime cuts... A pure fish diet will over time not do your beloved pudcats any good. As the occasional treat - bring it on!

arcniz
18th Mar 2008, 18:42
Airship, 2-centimes worth: The alternative approach is to replenish your supply of kittens - of various kinds - to provide some distraction and diversion until nature has her way with you in due course.

Life isn't meant to be quick or easy. Is a mistake to oversimplify things to a point where one is no longer well-vexed by the flow and rattle of it.

airship
20th Mar 2008, 00:00
I'm not sure just how this became a thread about cats and kittens (though I always have time for pudicats and those who like to talk about them)...?! :confused:

Anyhow, Chantal Sebire, the original subject of this thread is now beyond all pain (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7305970.stm). No thanks to "la France"... :sad: