CIR Renewal Questions

[Roger Roger]

I hope someone can help with this question.

I am about to renew my CIR. I hold VOR and ADF approach approval which I renew by doing an ADF approach in the aeroplane and the VOR in a simulator.

Now I would like to add a GPS arrival and a RNAN (GNSS) to my rating.

My questions are;

1. Other than the GPS theory training, what could one expect to do in hours training to be ready for an initial RNAV and GPS arrival issue. I fly IFR often.
2. Can the initial RNAV issue be done in a simulator?
3. Can the initial GPS arrival be done on a simulator?
4. When renewal time comes around can I do the GPS in the aeroplane and the other (VOR, ADF, GPS arrival on the simulator)?

As always, appreciate any feedback.

Cheers

[Big Beres]

Roger Roger,

I just did CIR Multi Flight test a month ago, I did the DME/GPS arrival in the Sim after the flight test, took a total of .60 (Sim Time), it was dead easy having never done one before, as to questions 2 and 4, I might be asking the same thing in 12 months time. ;)

BB

[flying-spike]

Two different things. You can do a GPS/DME arrival if you hold an enroute GPS (DGA). You can't legally carry out an RNAV Approach unless you have (1) done the basic GNSS enroute training and then done training and bested on RNAV APPROACH.
From my understanding for an intial issue or renewal of a rating that has lapsed more than 12 months you have to demonstrate all approaches in the air. Normal renewal, you only have to demonstrate one approach in the air, the rest can be demonstrated in an approved simulator or synthetic flight trainer. Normally that approach would be an ILS to cover the VOR as well.
I will stand corrected (surgically) if I have that wrong!

[helopat]

Best thing you can do is phone up an ATO who has CIR authority. With RNAV (GNSS) approaches, you'll have to do the ground GPS course and then you'll need to conduct three RNAV (GNSS) approaches airborne for your initial qualification. I hasten to add that the qualification is EQUIPMENT SPECIFIC meaning that whatever type of GPS you qualify on (for approaches at least) will be the only type of GPS you can use airborne for RNAV (GNSS) approaches (ie. you tested on a GARMIN 430, thats all you can use for approaches airborne). To that end, probably best to plan to fly your test in an aircraft which is the one you'll be using for instrument flying.

From the standpoint of how much practice you'll need beforehand, I'd suggest from my own experience (especially since you say you fly IFR a lot) that one practice session before the test will probably be plenty.

Best of luck.

HP

[Gear Down & Welded]

RNAV(GNSS) is reciever type specific, but once initially qualified you can then go fly 3 approaches in another reciever type in VMC by yourself and then you qualify for that unit too. Requirement then (before doing one in anger) to not only shoot an approach within 90days but also on the reciever type within 6mths.

[ravan]

The flying required for the issue of the RNAV (GNSS) Approach Rating[assuming that the course of ground instruction for the GPS Enroute has been completed]:
- Training - three approaches completed in VMC (may be completed in a simulator or synthetic trainer fitted with the same type of GPS as that fitted to the aircraft that you will do the test in)
- Testing - two approaches satisfactorily demonstrated to an ATO using the type of GPS that you trained with.

As already noted, once you hold the rating you may use any type of GPS for an approach as long as you have thoroughly familiarised yourself with its use and operation and you have flown three approaches in VMC with that GPS unit.