Heinkel 177 & Dornier 335:

[hoggsnortrupert]

Anyone know where I can obtain some info on this species?

From what I understand neither was never given the opourtunity to perform:

Not alot of info about on performance etc etc.

Chr's
H/Snort:ok:

[stevef]

Check PMs, Hoggs.

Mods - what's the Pprune stance on linking other (non-commercial) aircraft websites, please?

[chevvron]

I know the legendary Capt. Eric (Winkle) Brown flew the Do335 and had some specific views of it so try googling him; he may have flown the He177 too as I believe the Enemy Aircraft Flight had examples of both types at RAE Farnborough.

[hoggsnortrupert]

Don't laugh:

It helps when one does a search on the net to enter in the correct,or as near correct info as one can!

In my case DO-177:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh: wasn't doing it::confused:

On the other hand HE-177 worked.:D:D
Will share this, its bloody good.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual &video ID=24853323

Hope it works for you, I did it through google.

Chr's
H/Snort:ok:

[stevef]

Eric Brown wrote a very good book called Wings of the Luftwaffe, which was a series of flight tests carried out on captured German aircraft, including cutaways and detailed cockpit layouts. I don't have it any more, unfortunately, but I remember him mentioning that in the first accidental Do335 losses, the remains of the pilots were found in the wreckage minus their arms. The canopy jettison handles were attached to the canopy itself and when it was released prior to the pilots bailing out, it took their limbs with it! (Oddly, in view of this oversight, the upper fin and rear propeller were designed to be detached by an explosive charge to prevent injury to the crew when bailing out.)
The Boscombe Down Do335 was lost when a fire started in the rear engine and burned through the empennage control cables before the pilot (Grp Cpt Alan Hards?) could get out.

[allyn]

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Don't laugh:

It helps when one does a search on the net to enter in the correct,or as near correct info as one can!

In my case DO-177 wasn't doing it:

On the other hand HE-177 worked.
Will share this, its bloody good.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ids.individual &video ID=24853323

Hope it works for you, I did it through google.

Chr's
H/Snort


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That link didn't work....try this one:

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=24853323

Hope it's the same one you were looking at!

Allyn

[Kiwiguy]

40 or so He-177 were flown to a secret air base called Gardemoen near Oslo allegedly in preparation for a raid on New York in 1945.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he177.html

http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2607

[hoggsnortrupert]

Stevef:
Thanks mate, I am going hunting for BROWNS, book WINGS OF THE LUFTWAFFE:

Allyn: Thanks, Yeah mate thats the same, rather interesting I thought.

Kiwiguy:Thanks, very good info, Just imagine if they had BOMBED New York!
Great web site to.

I would like to seat a drawing of the Canopy and Seat rails for the DO 335.
That would be a bummer, trying to get out and loose your arms, Ouch!

I wonder how many incidents of the same it took to figure out!

The DO 335, from front on, it looks "sort" of like the FU 24 (Fletcher)

Chr's
And beers to all.

H/Snort.:ok:

[Kiwiguy]

Also of interest Hogsnortrupert, the He-177 V38 airframe, plus two others which I can't recall, were converted at the Ju-290 factory in Prague with an outsized bomb bay for the planned Nazi A-bomb.

It is a highly disputed claim. By 1945 the He-177 was not fast enough to overfly Britain even at altitude because of RAF air superiority so attention switched to jets.

The first Ju-287 jet engined bomber used the forward and midwing fuselage of an He-177. It also had precisely the same bomb bay dimensions as the V38, which leads me to suspect the Ju-287 V1 was in fact one of those three He-177 converted to the nuclear role at Pargue.

The Ju-287 V1 had a non retractable fixed spatted undercarriage and flew some 17 test flights by about October 1944, when test flying was abruptly abandoned.

According to overheard conversations (bugged) at Camp 11 after the war, General Dornberger recounted to a fellow general how he and Werner von Braun went to Lisbon for talks with two officials from General Electric Corp.

The Nazi A-bomb project and the Ju-287 both appear to have been abandoned about the same time suggesting to me at least that some Nazis were already negotiating with Uncle Sam in 1944 for the abandonement of a nuclear attack on the west.

In October 1944, the Manhatten project removed Germany off the Strategic bombing Survey's list of nuclear targets for the US A-bomb.

[hoggsnortrupert]

Gee Kiwiguy:

You are a hive of info, :ok: I had only heard the odd rumour over a beer or three after work on this subject, but had never managed to source anything to read on the subject!:)

Any Books or Journals you could recommend?

Chr's
H/Snort.

[Kieron Kirk]

German Aircraft of the Second World War/ J.R.Smith, A.L.Kay and E.J.Creek.
Putnam 1972/78 .ISBN 0 370 00024 2.
Pages 286/7 two photographs and text.

[Kiwiguy]

Hogsnortrupert unfortunately I did about three years of research reading at libraries as a way to get out of the house in a bad relationship. It never occured to me at the time to keep much in the way of references to books etc.

In subsequent years I got a computer and have kept following the trail on the internet.

If you Google He-177 V38 nuclear bomber some links will arise.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=75632

Re Dornberger:
http://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/backfire.html
http://www.islandfarm.fsnet.co.uk/Generalmajor%20Dr.%20Walter%20Dornberger.htm

...also most importantly read the document here at para #7(d):
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/interrogations/CSDIC/GRGG341.html


at David Irving's website (Himmler/Interrogations):

7. Dornberger, in conversation with Generalmajor Bassenge, made the following miscellaneous remarks dealing with the 'V 2'. He said that:

d. Braun and Dornberger himself had realised at the end of December 1944 that things were going wrong and had consequently been in touch since that time with the General Electric Company through the German Embassy in Portugal, with a view to coming to some arrangement.


I have read even earlier comments by Dornberger averting to a meeting at Lisbon in October 1944, but the page linked to has since been removed by Irving. These were declassified documents which Irving published on his website.

Let Google be your friend with the Ju-287 V1

Nazi scientists developed a gaseous centrifuge technology to enrich uranium during WW2 called the Harteck Process. Dr Kurt Deibner was working on their A-bomb and Dr Fritz Houtermans (pre war Soviet trained nuclear physicist) worked on plans for a Nazi Plutonium A-bomb. A scientist named Paul Vollmer developed the uranium enrichment project under the code name Vollmer's furniture Factory.