Another Captain (SIA this time) Caught With Child Porn in Adelaide

[Thermal Image]

Looks like someone is out to get him?

Go to: http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/local/sa/.

Click on Airline captain caught with child pornography, 7News Adelaide Top Stories - Mon Feb 11 07:00pm EST.

In the video news clip he was named as Captain Ng Kok Yauw.

[Knightwhosays_NI]

Seems that way, or how would airport security know where to look on his computer?

[Chrome]

Another one? I thought flag carriers employ the best people?

[Knightwhosays_NI]

They employ people, and last I checked, people make mistakes, even the best of them.

A pity though, he's a nice guy, but he's only got himself to blame for this.

[CDRW]

Gosh the 4th floor are going to be kept quite busy what with the Lahore incident a few turn backs and now this!!!!

Having said that the Ozzie customs seems to have some sort of blitz on with aircrew at the moment and apparently are getting quite aggressive about it. Can we all expect to have our laptops searched?? What if some said "stuff it - no you cannot search the files on my personal computer"?? Next thing they will be attaching electrodes to your brain to see if you harbor any impure thoughts!!!

[Chrome]

They employ people, and last I checked, people make mistakes, even the best of them.

Well it makes me wonder how long he has been making this 'mistake'.

[Lee]

Quote:>>Another Captain (SIA this time) Caught With Child Porn in Adelaide<<

From the title of the post, it appears that a Captain Ng was the second captain to be caught.

Please correct me, Ahmad Said 25, of MAS was also caught by the customs in Adelaide on 8 Feb 2008. Is he a Captain? Just wondering.

[Oz_TB10]

Lee, i think he might be refering to the Channel 7 news report that this was the 3rd time in a week that a flight crew member flying into Radelaide has been caught with kiddie porn. One was MH the other SQ leaving the third unknown.

I dont think the AFP or Customs are being too harsh, sickos like these deserve a bit of jail time to sort their heads ( and as5es ) out.

[Chrome]

25 years old, on an MH wide body to ADL. I would guess that's he's still a First Officer :)

[CodyBlade]

What the heck another one? This is going to result in more stringent checks on tech crew.Already I have to take off my shoes,hat..

[JaguhDunia]

What if some ass or enemy of yours send you attachments with child porno stuff and you have yet to open it or forgot to delete it? The Oz customs can open it or retrieve it from your trash can! Remember Oz airports have wifi connections and any Oz customs guy with a desire for brownie points can work on your laptop under the pretext of " investigation ". Be warned!!

[Chrome]

I have a lot of enemies but I have yet to receive any kiddie porn. I don't think my enemies are into kiddie porn themselves :}

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Finally something from The Straits Times.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Courts%2Band%2BCrime/STIStory_205772.html

Feb 12, 2008

SIA pilot caught with pornography at Adelaide airport fined
By Karamjit Kaur

A SINGAPORE Airlines (SIA) pilot caught with pornographic material at Adelaide International Airport last Saturday, has been charged and fined A$12,000 by Australian authorities.

Captain Ng Kok Yauw, 41, a Malaysian national, was the third person arrested by Australian Customs Service in less than a week as part of a crackdown on attempts to smuggle pornography into the country through Adelaide.

The other two cases involved a 41-year-old Singaporean whose identity is not known and another Malaysian - 23-year-old Ahmad Said who is a co-pilot with Malaysia Airlines (MAS).

Australian media reported over the weekend that the MAS pilot was fined A$6,000, while the 41-year-old Singaporean will appear again in Adelaide Magistrates Court on Feb 25.

A spokesman for Australian Customs told The Straits Times that when Capt Ng was stopped and questioned by officers, he denied carrying any prohibited items.

But when they checked his laptop, they found 'objectionable material depicting abhorrent sexual acts.'

SIA spokesman Stephen Forshaw said in response to queries: 'We are aware of the reports of this case and are examining what the Court has said.

'All our crew are expected to comply fully with the laws of countries to which they operate, and that includes laws relating to the carriage of prohibited items, including data on computers.'

Read the full story in Wednesday's edition of The Straits Times.

[MatRempit69]

while the 41-year-old Singaporean will appear again in Adelaide Magistrates Court on Feb 25

Wonder what punishment it would be...??? A$6000 or "SINGAPORE ROTAN " :confused:

MR69

[G-ZUZZ]

Wonder what punishment it would be...??? Same punishment as he could expect in an asian jail - 100 lashes til his back is raw and a few years spent in a rat-infested, roach-infested, stinking cesspit of a jail with slop fed to him from a bucket once a day, buggery, AIDS and Hepatitis A, B and C rife, corrupt guards, murder, beatings, etc etc etc.

No, that'd be uncivilised.

[Chrome]

Ahhh as I expected. The first thing SQ would do if one of their Malaysian pilots screw up is to make it known that the said pilot is Malaysian. And of course the caught Singaporean pilot's identity is unknown till now. It's very hard for the journalist to make a few phone calls to find out as SQ protects their own. I didn't see any nationality mentioned in any of the foreign news reports on Captain Ng but you can count on Singapore's Straits Times to add that in.

I don't know why Malaysians still go to SQ. Yea money's good but if something goes wrong don't count on them to back you up. SQ006 accident in Taipei comes to mind.

[parabellum]

Chrome - regarding SQ6, what else could they have done? The crew were kept on full pay until the report was released, quite a long time.
Yes, the Capt. got sacked but what do you expect if you are responsible for writing off several passengers and a very expensive aeroplane?

[Lee]

Oz TB 10 Thanks for the clarification.

[Highlander744]

Parabellum : what else would you expect for a company to do ? Keep them on reduced or no pay until a report is released ? AND the report does state other ' mitigating ' circumstances such as weather, poor airport procedures, lack of ground traffic monitoring equipment and inadequate airport signage to name but a few ! So I don't think the Captain was responsible for writing off several passengers and a very expensive aeroplane - he was accountable though.

Chrome : I believe you are correct in your analysis. It is indeed a shame how quick the finger pointing is done and how quick the back turns - it's the old age 'big company ( or state ) versus the little man' .

Anyway, maybe we can stay on track with the thread title ?

[CDRW]

Yea, lets keep to the thread.

So just what can customs do to an individual in terms of "investigation". Did they check his laptop in his presence?? Did they possibly have a reason to check his laptop?? What if customs want to do a body cavity search!!! Hmm, the mind boggles. So the question is what are our legal rights.

[Geragau]

Chrome, don't be so smug and cocky about your enemies not sendin g you any. In this age of cyber wonders, guys can do you in in many ways. Just be warned!

[parabellum]

I think you may have misunderstood my post Highlander. The company did keep them on at full basic pay until the report was released, I would have expected nothing less and that was the point I was trying to make to Chrome.

Yes, the crew were accountable and it was their degree of accountability that eventually decided the outcome. Having flown with SIA on the 744 for ten years I am well aware of what it must have been like, in Taipei, on that night, been there, done that.

[portquartercv67]

Just because the "authorities" said it was prohibited material, doesn't mean it's so, unless he has admitted/acknowledged that the material is illegal. Let the Captain have his day in court.

Maybe some locals could let the forum know what search rights the Australian authorities have and what our rights are against illegal search and seizure. What about probable cause? Did the authoritites ask permission from the Capt to search his computer and did he grant permission?

My brother, who is a cop (albiet not in Autralia), tells me that whenever any law enforcement asks to search, you should ALWAYS say no. Put the accountability for probable cause squarely on the shoulders of the fuzz regardless how innocent you think you are.

PQ

[parabellum]

The way it has been presented down here in Oz is that the crew members concerned had signed a declaration that they were not importing anything illegal to Australia. Child porn is definitely illegal and I presume that Oz Customs have a right of search if they have reason to be suspicious.

Certainly sounds as though there have been tip offs though, doesn't it?

[CDRW]

Para - the document that is signed when you arrive in wonderful Australia is so general "Have you got anything of interest to customs" that they can get you on anything they want.

Rumour has it that the "child" porn he had was the infamous "Tammy video". This is a home made on the phone video recorded by a female school student, and a national service boy, in Singapore, having sex. Every second man in Singapore has seen it, or has it, in some form of media. The other porn was Japanese stuff above age. Again rumour

If this is the case then I feel he has been really hard done by and I hope that the company stick by him. If he has the commercially produced pedophile porn then throw the book at him.

[Slasher]

Child porn is one thing of course but what if you only have
normal older-age everyday hetero BJ films and bonking stuff?
Will the Oz Customs moralist paranoids still hang your head as
a trophey?
Or should one leave his lappey at home?

[training wheels]

Child porn is one thing of course but what if you only have normal older-age everyday hetero BJ films and bonking stuff?
Will the Oz Customs moralist paranoids still hang your head as a trophey?
Or should one leave his lappey at home?

Although I'm no expert, possession of "normal older age" porn is not a crime in Oz and you shouldn't get into trouble for that. They might even want to copy your collection for themselves if they like what they see. :p

[Highlander744]

Parabellum. Thank you for the clarification - I believe, now, we are on the same page. Been there, done that; and will continue - to go there, and do that !

Now back to this thread. So the issues are :

1. What constitutes unlawful data ?
2. What are the legal powers of Customs and Excise, in various countries, to demand viewing personal electronic data and how can they do it ?
3. Who is watching your electronic data trail and how ?
4. What onus does Customs and Excise have to prove reasonable suspicion ?
5. What constitutes a thorough search ?
6. What rights does a pax or crew have when questioned or searched ?
7. Will this paranoia about security ever end ?

Personally, unless the Customs in OZ were acting on a tip-off (and can prove it) - the crew involved should have denied access to their data unless a written warrant was produced; I don't know the details of the search, but it wouldn't surprise me if the search wasn't fully legal from the start; however, if they got the voluntary co-operation from the crew then it's a no-brainer. Either way, once the contraband was found, the guys involved would be living a truly 'porn' experience - if you know what I mean.

[buzz_off]

Leave the captain alone... He was only found with pornography, not child pornography... Not like the half the world does not have pornography in their computer... The newspapers have not gotten their facts right and you guys are adding salt into the wounds of others... Is it very nice to gossip about others... Imagine if you are in the same situation and people who you do not know make judgements on you... Shame on you people... Not as if you have not made a mistake before... Their families must be very worried now about their future, the nicest thing you could do is stop commenting until the end of the trial... If what you have said is untrue and defamed him... PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE... If I'm the family of the captain, I will sue you...

[Severely Jetlagged]

Seems most press reports even the most recent ones mention child pornogaphy.

SINGAPORE, Feb 13 (Reuters) - A Singapore Airlines pilot was fined A$12,000 ($10,860) for trying to bring child pornography into Australia, court documents showed on Wednesday.

Ng Kok Yauw, 40, captained a Singapore Airlines flight last Saturday from the city-state to Adelaide, Australia, when customs officials searched his laptop and found video clips of child pornography, Adelaide court documents seen by Reuters said.

Ng, who appeared in court on Monday, pleaded guilty to charges of importing banned material and making a false statement to a customs officer.

He could not be reached for comment but Singapore Airlines, the world's second-largest airline by market value, said the airline was conducting its own investigation.

And this from yesterday:

Ng, who appeared in court on Monday, pleaded guilty to charges of importing banned material and making a false statement to a customs officer.

He could not be reached for comment but Singapore Airlines, the world's second-largest airline by market value, said the airline was conducting its own investigation.

Seven video files were found on Ng's computer, some of which contained footage of rape, sexual violence and children engaged in sexual activity, the documents said.

[fruitless...]

Lucky guy...got away with A$12,000 fine! ;) What if it was with Singapore Authorities.. .. probabably could have been canned !! :ouch:

[vitus]

relax mate.. no caning, they would have copied it off his laptop.. if they searched it in the 1st place. Most of us have jap porn anyways...

Wonder how Qantas tech crew would feel if customs in SIN searched their laptop?

again rumour has it they took his laptop into a room and it was out of his sight for a while.... if that is true.. I wonder if it is legal to do that.

Personally I wish Capt Ng and his family all the best.

[VONKLUFFEN]

...lost has been said here. If it is legal, if not , poor capt , poor family , if Australian paranoia, if if if....
What IF one of those kids where one of yours!!!!! Then the double moral standard would kick in. Human nature, but it is wrong to live with it. Who cares about adult porn.
ANYONE PROMOTING CHILD PORN SHOULD TAKE RESPONSABILITY OF THEIR ACTS AND BEAR THE MAXIMUM PENALY FOR IT.
More should be done around the world ,like AUS authorities did ,to put all this people where they belong.
CASED CLOSED

[CDRW]

Vonk - So, this chap is hung drawn and quartered according to the law of VONK!!! As you said 'CASED CLOSED" Well dear chap this is not the case so "CASED NOT CLOSED" Was he promoting child porn!!!? I don't think so. We have no idea if it was hardcore child porn or the (in)famous Tammy Video!

So get off your high horse old boy - CASED ALMOST CLOSED.

[Freehills]

Customs do have the right to strip search you, shove a finger up your jacksie, and go through your laptop/ mobile phone/ address book/ suitcase. They can also arrest you. (And making a false declaration is a crime. Bit like the US and "wire/mail fraud" - it is easy to proove, can carry swinging penalties, so is often used by authorities to "get" people (e.g. Al Capone and tax evasion))

All they need is "reasonable suspicion" BUT they do not need to tell you why they have suspicion, just that they have it. (normally a tip off). They should tell you what the suspicion is about if you ask. But if the suspicion is that you are (say) bringing in pirate DVD's, and they find drugs, but the DVD's are OK, they can still bust you for the drugs.

You can say no, and force them to bring in a magistrate to issue the warrant - but you will be detained until the duty magistrate can be found and the warrant typed up - probably a couple of hours. Once the warrant is issued, you have no right to refuse.

[VONKLUFFEN]

CD
Maybe is my English. I m not a native English speaker. When I wrote PROMOTING I meant that by just having the material of children the "industry" is encouraged to flourish. People watch , download, share and so the evil circle starts. No one protect kids except committed authorities , people brave enough to denounce it and people like us that don't want to turn a blind eye to our neighbor or colleague wrong behavior. The rank , nationality or job is irrelevant. They deserve to be taken out of circulation for good!

Ng Kok Yauw, 40, captained a Singapore Airlines flight last Saturday from the city-state to Adelaide, Australia, when customs officials searched his laptop and found video clips of child pornography, Adelaide court documents seen by Reuters said.

Ng, who appeared in court on Monday, pleaded guilty to charges of importing banned material and making a false statement to a customs officer.

[flower girl]

....so everyone seems to be a expert on this subject....geez!!!!:cool: nobody will EVER know why,if, buts, so and more buts until you've met him and ask him personally. so back off people....:=

[VONKLUFFEN]

Dear FlowerGirl:

We dont need to ask. He pleaded guilty already.
Better read before becoming an expert also darling.
Kiss Kiss !!

[mohdawang]

Just yesterday my eff oh was mighty worried...someone sent him some porn video clips of caucasian girls; they looked mature enough,but someone cautioned him that underage blondies do look pretty matured and he might get into trouble. He deleted those stuff but is worried sick that it might hide somewhere in his hard disk. He is no techie; so he leaves his laptop at home just in case... now it cost him a bundle to call home from layovers; no skype and net chat now. Also what if someone tip off the local cops and search his home for the laptop. I am no techie either, so I can also suggest he get his hard disk scubbed good!

[Ali Sadikin]

I am worried too! Is there any nudie blondie giggly freckled chick hiding in my hard drive? Gotta get it scrubbed mine too before some oz smartie arse trying to avenge Shapelle Corby and Bali 9 dredge up something remotely incriminating.