indian aircraft maintenance exam one of toughest exam in world

[shuchim]

hi guys i have done maintenance engineering from dgca and found it very hard to clear even 50 year old guys give exam and rarely clear it .pls give your views how r your country exams .

[stevef]

If you study hard, there's no reason to fail.
(UK CAA licence holder)

[Vortechs Jenerator]

UK CAA, JAR & EASA....

Piece of Piss!

[Hermie]

Out of curiosity ? What are the modules that are tested for the exams ?

[shuchim]

in FAA,JAA,EASA all r provided question bank by reading all pass the exam and they have to study there own country books but we have to study both FAAandCAA books and also not provided question bank and questions r also sometime out of syllabus .and after this all then some one can tell he need determination or what because by saying like this it is simple and to do acctully that work is diffrent.

[doppleganger]

Do you do the exams in English?

[shuchim]

ya . now a days i think every country have a exams in english only ;;;;;?

[Vortechs Jenerator]

shuchim
indian aircraft maintenance exam one of toughest exam in world

All joking aside shuchim - are you touting for work on here?

Are you seriously proposing that Indian LAE's are the best in the world with their most difficult exams ever, ever, ever?:rolleyes:

If your study material is CAA/JAA/FAA based - you don't need to be provided with answers to a question bank (who is BTW? - you think the CAA give us any?), the internet (that you are clearly happily using) is chock full of answers to all Q banks.

Passing exams is about 20% of being an accomplished LAE. Your still at the bottom of a steep learning curve when the ink is still wet on your shiney new pass paper.

I'm struggling to be impressed by this boastful, childish post.

[empire4]

shuchim,

I'm an australian LAE and although i havn't done any Indian exams i have worked with a few Indian LAE's and they all lack on aussie guys. One guy i worked with couldn't even open a 744 door from outside although he was licenced on the A/C.

Another gent i work with now was doing the exams you speak of and came to OZ because he refused to pay the bribe to pass. He is a smart man and is now Licenced on 744, but told me he couldn't pass your exams because he didn't pay to!

Having our CASA lining up with EASA and JAR i find it extremely hard to believe you can make a statment like that. We don't get exam Questions at all, and most GA guys have to study text to pass.

[shuchim]

i dont mean to say that the indians r best engineers in world.i just want to tell that exam prepare to judge there knowledge r maken so hard that is of no need and only practicle is thing that matter and that what DGCA lack to judge like empire tell about one engineer cant open the outside bolt that where DGCA lack. but the other guy who said he cant pay the bribe is rubbish there is no such thing. and about CAA some one said that you join a site(i forgot the name)and u will get all question of session.

[Jibroni]

I remember when i did my BCARS Sec L's, we were never given any questions by the training school. We had to compile our own question banks. Our written passing rates were so good that even the training school compiled our question banks. During trainings things were on a need to know basis but after getting my ticket, most of what i learned on a need to know basis before, now became a good to know basis.

There are many things that makes a person good at what he/she does and passing difficult exams is not top of the list. Exams are just like firewalls only to be broken down in time. What counts most is attitude,common sense, responsible and great sense of humor.

[jnignon]

cmon folks the guy said the exam was hard not that indians engineers are better. I took and passed the Faa exam with flying colours. And to be honest, I thought that was the easiest thing I have done my whole life. The FAA basicaly gives you all the answers to the exam. The practical is easy too. Does that make us FAA license holder less competent than the rest of the world???

[shuchim]

ya that what i mean to say what jnignon saying that exam dont make good engineers but the thing is that why dont theDGCA be same as FAAorJAA make paper easy that because he might want to make his reputation as toughtest.as u may also see in pilot cpl paper indian exam is consider difficult than other country exam except the CASA.if u see indian technician r much more better than engineers in practicle but it doesnt matter if u dont have paper pass with u.and if paper made easy technician can be best enginer

[jnignon]

you are absolutely right smudgethecat. The FAA A/P is the easiest exam anyone can pass.

[lordofthewings]

Just got home from being on the piss and started reading this crap...
Fu..en should have stayed on the piss...

[boshank]

some of the EASA course was tough for me, MOD 3 (electrics) being 1 of them, its all magic to me!! still managed to get 90% mind

you don't really start learning untill you get on the job, the course is just a fundamental thing to help you get a foot in the door, although it does count as part of experiance.

there does seem to be a fair ammount of disdain for people who get into the industry this way on this site though, i think most people here were either appos or ex RAF. i'm pretty sure that if there was the ammount of aprentice scheems running today as there was a few years ago we would all have done it that way.

[WOTME?]

You wouldn't have got into the RAF with spelling like that.
Unless of course you were pis$ed whilst typing.

[courseitsfixed]

Have just done 6 months in India and I can say that the local engineers in my location did not do a lot of work or have much knowledge,it was more a case of shouting at the technician and only getting the hands out of the pocket to sign tech log...............
The DGCA in same location were a bunch of clowns as well.:mad:

Not saying all Indian Engineers are bad but its difficult to find really good ones,suspect all the good ones went overseas to ME.............:ok:

[al446]

Wotme - Cosford or Halton?

[Beeline]

Im glad the CAA still have the high standards and a respected AML across the world, even with the changes implemented by EASA I still think they are policing it the best they can to a section L level.

Making exams easier anywhere in the world is an outrageous suggestion, get in the books for longer and study harder, there is no shortcuts to learning standard practices and maintaining aircraft in the correct way.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

A&P coversion to full Part-66 eeekk

[H245synchor]

You are a sagol.

[The Dodger]

Making exams easier anywhere in the world is an outrageous suggestion, get in the books for longer and study harder, there is no shortcuts to learning standard practices and maintaining aircraft in the correct way. :D



I fully agree with you there Beeline. I just do not understand why all the worlds Aviation regulators can't get together and come up with some sort of licence examination system, that is the same for all Aircraft Engineers, worldwide. I have been in the RAF up until recently but I had no idea of how intense the studying for a B1 licence is. I am just getting my head around maths again, and I thought I was ok at it. When I was a fresh faced mechanic in the RAF many moons ago. I worked on a large aircraft fleet in the RAF, which had all of it's primary maintenance done by a sub contractor( mentioning no names ) who employed alot of engineers from eastern countries. Now at the time I thought that all civvy engineers were the best of the best no matter where they came from, because of all the exams and training they did, however that was brought back to earth with a bump, after what I saw. The contractor used to send some blokes over to the UK some times to work on fuel tank repairs. On one occasion they had to get into one of the large fuel tanks. All was going well at the time, they opend the tank and let the fuel vapours vent out for 24 hours. However when they finally decided to get into the tank to have a look, they decided to use for illumination, a normal garage inspection lamp, with the most bodged electricle supply cable you could imagine:eek:. I have never run, or seen people run so fast in all my life. Even though the tank had been vented, the risk from fuel vapours was still too great. The blokes in question left very quickly out the front gate after that, never to return. Apparently they had maintenance licences also, which shocked me even more.

[shuchim]

is there still apprentership in usa and uk

[IFixPlanes]

is there still apprentership in usa and ukIt is one way to get into business (EASA) :ok:

[shuchim]

any one from any country is in india right now and working for indian carrier pls tell?

[shuchim]

hi can any one tell how cathy pasific is to work for in india and where experience will i get if i work in cathey pacific in india is it of dgca .india or caa

[spannersatcx]

Cathay Pacific operates under HKG CAD regulations.

[shuchim]

i put resume/cv everywhere but no reply why so is the demand over now?

[HAWK21M]

Lets put it this way.....
exams questions are formatted differently,but if one studies hard,passing it is not tough.

On the question of AME working in India,Its true most AMEs supervise the work done by Technicians......But there are exceptions Too......Some work with their hands & sign docs too.....You need to meet them :ok:

regds
MEL

[MD11Engineer]

On the question of AME working in India,Its true most AMEs supervise the work done by Technicians......But there are exceptions Too......Some work with their hands & sign docs too.....You need to meet them

regds
MEL

We had some contractors on our line station with a "Monsieur le Inspecteur" attitude. They expected to walk just around with torch, mirror and stamp and let the unlicenced mechs do all the work, especially if the job was going to be dirty. Needless to say that they didn't last long.
Here everybody has to pull his weight.

[NutLoose]

al446Wotme - Cosford or Halton?

St Athans :}

[shuchim]

in my company most engineers love to do job with there own hand

[shuchim]

hi mr hawk r u engineer? if u dont mind can u pls tell in which airline u r in throgh pm...........

[HAWK21M]

The Airline which has no hard working folks in Mx won't survive for long.
Yes.I'm an AME licenced in Cat A&C...currently working on B737/757 freighters at Mumbai.
regds
MEL

[shuchim]

mr hawk nice to see that such a experienced person is between us who can guide the new kids like me.

[6680740]

Hi Guys

I passed my Indian exams, in 1998 and I agree with the previous posters, that the exam in purely theoritical and completely irrelevant. Unfortunately most engineers never ever touch tools but thats how it is in India. If u have the past examination questions, cram for a month u are sure to pass.

I later on got licenses from the UK, Australia and New zealand. Now these exams cannot be passed without hands on experience.

So guys having been there and done that I can vouch that the Indian exam is not at all difficult and infact a very simple exam to pass. On the same token if you need to work in India, u have to play by their rules.:ok:

regards
6680740

[HAWK21M]

Remember Hard work pays....It may take time but it does.
Study well,Work with your hands too,remember practice makes perfect.
Understandably most AMEs out here supervise & Techs work....But there are a few that do the work with their hands too.
Its a good way to work.....I follow the A&P style of work & it is very sucessfull.
regds
MEL

[shuchim]

nice say mr hawk

[SNS3Guppy]

One can take short courses and pass the FAA exams. I didn't do that, but instead spent a year studying before taking the writtens, then a year preparing for the practical...after working as a mechanic's assistant (apprentice) for seven years. The FAA and the practical test examiner told me that's not the norm, but I didn't want to show up unprepared. My oral exam lasted about eight hours, plus a long practical test that involved timing magnetos, inspecting an aircraft, researching AD's, riveting, bending metal, balancing a propeller, etc.

I know nothing about the Indian exam, but I'd say for any practical test, one should always show up prepared.

[HAWK21M]

Paitence to learn.Working with ones hands & willing to ask questions are important steps to be a good AME/AMT.
regds
MEL

[subsonic69]

A lot of indians are actually coming to the Philippines to do their training and their licenses.If for example they want to work in middle east (ADAT,QATAR,EMIRATES,GULF AIR), then it would be easier for them to get their license accredited.

aside from that... back in my home country ( well im really ashamed of it ) a lot of people are corrupt so need I say more?

true! im bitter. got my license fair and square.now imagine some je*k who has an extra $200 can actually get his license even without the practical exams...

[shane 1962]

Getting rid of oral exams in the U.K. was a bad move. In 1994 i passed my Aeroplanes 2 multi choice ( already had Aeroplanes 1 ) I was then failed on my oral test. In reflection i really deserved to fail . I went on to pass it 2nd time. What i am trying to say is that the oral is a safety net , true, people can get good at multi choices , and as the answer is right in front of you ,all it takes is a bit of practice. The surveyor will spot it if a guy does not know what he or she is talking about.

[Miles Gustaph]

I’m really sorry if this sounds picky, off subject and harsh, but the ICAO does specify a communication standard for any licence holder and Shuchim yours is really poor.

Writing on here in text-speak really isn’t a good example of either “an ability to communicate engineering matters either verbally or in written form”, even if you had misused some of the many words in the English language that sound the same it would have been understandable.

I spend a lot of time marking exam papers and feel that it is fair to say that if you write like this in your native language then you are going to fail some exams.

I applaud your ambition to progress in the aviation industry but perhaps you would be wise to add essay writing skills to your study list.

[yasir8095]

hey shuchim......
I'm sure you are who I think you are.
And sweetheart, do you really believe what you've just written in all your posts on this thread? Would you seriously like to work as a technician for a couple of years just for the sake of learning or are you using this forum to actually look for a job which i well and truly know is a long way away from you going strictly by merit?
Rather than wasting your time making stupid comments (like the thread starter), I'd recommend you to read your books and get to know at least something about airplanes. And yes, a book on English grammar would help a lot too..
There's no short cut to success my boy and as far as i know, you haven't even started yet.
cheers

[TOON737]

You never tried for a SECTION L licence then !

[airfoil]

SUBSONIC69, where you from?

The Aircaft Maintance (A&P) Exam here in the Philippines is also hard, but if you know your notes you'll surely pass!

[HAWK21M]

The Bottomline is.....If you are willing to work hard & study till retirement....Success will def come your way.
Hard work ALWAYS pays.
regds
MEL

[subsonic69]

airfoil

I am originally from the Philippines. Don't get me wrong though. It is hard and I did pass it without even having to pay some of those corrupt inspectors/examiners in the CAAP (formerly ATO).

But since you're from the Philippines you clearly have an idea about the corruption happening inside the former ATO.If you did pass yours the same thing that I did, then you will definitely be against some people inside the office that are selling licenses because they can get away with it.:ouch:

I'm not saying it's not hard. Im just saying I'm ashamed of the OFFICE and that even SOME foreigners come to the Philippines and take advantage of the possibility of being able to purchase their licenses here.:mad:

The authenticity of both your license and mine will definitely suffer from it. :ugh:

[HAWK21M]

Qualification should ALWAYS be on merit.

Out here Promotion is seniority based & not performance based.so until the senior is promoted,the Junior cannot rise.Even if the Junior is better.

regds
MEL

[subsonic69]

well thats a bad thing about some countries.. I would suggest going to other countries who can actually promote you for what you can do.

Or you can kill your senior hahaha .. just kidding :) its not his fault anyway.

but that is just too unfair, specially to the qualified and hard working guys.

[airfoil]

Subsonic69,
I totally agree with you. I got my lic fair and square and never thought of bribing some officials inside. Corruption inside the office is very rampant and you can even see fixers waiting outside the office! ofcourse I don't wanna jeopardize my profession just to have an instant license. Anyway, if you don't mind where are you currently working?

[HAWK21M]

Study regularily,ask questions & work hard is the key.
regds
MEL

[trupian88]

As a student, pursuing a/c maintenance eng in india, its rly sad 2 c so many students relying on question banks to clear the licence papers without any familarization with the texts. question banks can at the most give an idea of the question pattern but is no tool 2 pass xams. it is these q banks dat r spoilin indian ames. dgca papers r fr from being tough, moreovr dgca paprs r becoming exceedingly predictabl with the clear trend of repeated questions time n agn... i have cleard only 1 paper yet securing 88%. sory 2 say mr shuchim, didn find it 2 tough...... infact if dgca reintroduces the subjectiv format, the stakes r set 2 get much higher..... aftral v r gonna b the "most highly paid engineers in india" ryt?;)

[IFixPlanes]

@ trupian88
Please stop writing in SMS-Style :yuk:

[Miles Gustaph]

Mr Ifixplanes, well said :D, that was painful to read.

Broken English I can understand, but why do people think text speak is acceptable when using a computer?

Mel, sort him out

[HAWK21M]

I agree.One must write in the proper language.

On the question bank topic......In our days there was no question bank.The best method of study is to go through all the textbooks in detail,highlight the sentences one finds important,understand the topic & discuss/debate with collegues......The BAMEL Exams are just the first step.Get used to reading long pages & studying for long hours.It will pay well in the future.

regds
MEL

[YOUNGBUCK]

If your having problems first of all obtaining cetificates and licences due to your authorities, and promotions aren't based on performance, well... It doesn't say much for Indias licenced engineering as a whole. Obviously this is not aimed at all indian mechs but something isn't working well. The CAA have problems in taking thier time in issuing licences but this sounds a whole new level.:ugh:

[aquamon]

I think he's looking for someone to do his homework. Back in the century after work, I took books home with me and burnt the midnight oil while other co-workers would stop at the bar... I passed all modules, multi-choice and essays in one sitting. Git up off your bum!

[HAWK21M]

Aquamon is correct.One needs to put in a lot of effort to achieve something out here.There is no easy work in Aviation.
regds
MEL.

[hawkeyecheck]

You are right!! one need to put its best to achieve it. I am gonna say ,dgca india exams are not the toughest one as every body feels in here. I have a great resentment that they dont put numerical ability based questions. I cleared both the bamels with least effort as i used to be routine in my studies.. which most of the aspirants do put in the near of exam hours. Prepare for the worst!!

Best of luck to all appearing this session..:ok:

[HESMADSIR]

If i remember correctly with the old section 'L' format the four written questions were also marked on grammar and spelling.

There is nothing worse than trying to read something in the tech log that looks like its been written by your local GP.

I understand that for many licenced engineers that written and spoken English is not their primary language but that is not an excuse to use text speak or just plain poor spelling and pronunciation.

We as engineers rely heavily on being able to read whatever is written whether its a job card or a tech log entry.
Its a fundamental part of our industry that when anything is written it should be clear and easily read and makes sense unlike some of the items in this thread.

[kimbruce]

THE UK SYSTEM IS NO WALK IN THE PARK BUT NOW THERE ARE MAMY ONLINE SITES THAT HELP. ONE OF THE BEST I JOINED WAS ****************.webs.com