Airfrance 777 unscheduled ldg in MXP 25.01.08

[SmokeAndNoise]

MXP closed this evening around 2130Z due to an inbound AF 777 - apparently on one engine...

Rumors of hot brakes after landing - possibly fire. No evacuation.

Aircraft was sitting on the apron when we made it in around 0000Z. Didn't seem to be in a bad shape from what we could see...

More info anyone?

[theprizefighter]

hey was waiting in mxp while it all went on was very strange the airport closed maybe 25mins before the 777 landed and no info was given to any of us for maybe 1hr after airfrance landed on Rwy 35r and vacated at Ab taxiway and atc asked if they wanted to cancel mayday which they did but the pilot was concerned about his brakes and then the brakes did over heat and went on fire right hand side 1st then left side, all fire crews were in place,when we finally departed the a/c was being towed to stand i believe! hopefully no one was hurt in this incident and job well done by everyone involved :ok:

[Trentino]

how many unscheduled landings does this make for AF 777's?

just curious

[fly123456]

3rd or 4th because of engine failure, I guess.

There were even rumours about possible Etops constraints.

[johan_jnb]

ETOPS was never revoked... strange to hear this in MXP...

AF997 turned back to JNB last night(25JAN departure) also... now leaving 26JAN.

[F4F]

Heard the :cool: "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY AF XXX engine failure" call during our approach into MXP.

Led us, amongst others, to divert to LIN, some flights having to declare PANs for fuel, or rather lack of it...
Rather strange the quick closing of LIN for diversions on the grounds of the apron being full... they was still plenty of space left, thanks.

Something wrong with 777 engines :\


live 2 fly 2 live

[interpreter]

Which engines do Air France use?

[MAKOLO]

General Electric

[Thaihawk]

There have been problems with GE engines on B777s for years.

The first batch of B777s British Airways ordered had GE90s,but they ordered Rolls-Royce ones later on.

A pity Rolls-Royce engines are not available on B777-300ER and B777-200LR models.

[LEXAN]

"3rd or 4th because of engine failure, I guess."

Closer to 10th as far as I know

[HOODED]

I agree its a real pity the RR Trent isn't an option on the 777-300 or LR but even if it was AF wouldn't buy them with RR!

Lets nor forget the BA ac that crashed at LHR was RR powered, whilst no fault has, as yet, been found to lie with the engines!

. I believe BA ordered RR on it's later 777s due to problems with the GE engines on it's early build 777s. it's unusual to say the least to go mixed fleet when you dont have to, so there must have been some issues. I know there have been quite a few GE/777 incidents but that may just be because they are more numerous due to their exclusivity on the -300 in particular.

Lets just wait and see what the outcome of this and the BA crash is before we lambast a particular engine, remember these modern large fan engines are far more reliable than anything was even 10 years ago. :}

[Human Factor]

BA ordered GE engines for the 777 as part of a deal involving an engineering base, although there were allegedly some issues with the GE engines.

[mmciau]

If the aircraft involved in this incident is indeed a B777-300ER, then the only engine is a GE90-115.

Mike

[Joetom]

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Lets just wait and see what the outcome of this and the BA crash is before we lambast a particular engine, remember these modern large fan engines are far more reliable than anything was even 10 years ago.
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Have a look at the RB211-535 E4, I think it has been about for 20 Years on the 757.

[troff]

Actually, there are two types of GE engine on the 777. As noted above, the 115BL is used on the 300ER, but the 115BL1 is that used on the newer 300 ER (ULR) and the 200 LR.
T

[perkin]

these modern large fan engines are far more reliable than anything was even 10 years ago

CFM-56 anyone?

[fab777]

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I agree its a real pity the RR Trent isn't an option on the 777-300 or LR but even if it was AF wouldn't buy them with RR!
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We don't buy RR, they spin the wrong way around...;)

[HOODED]

Hardly a LARGE fan engine is it! Probably one of the most reliable engines around but not generally used on ETOPS ac like the 777 A330 767 etc.

[FullWings]

...but the pilot was concerned about his brakes and then the brakes did over heat and went on fire right hand side 1st then left side...
If accurate, sounds like a considerably overweight landing due to the emergency. It takes a lot to overheat the brakes on the 777, especially on a cold day near sea level. :ooh:

[Iceman2]

Apparently SIA had an IFSD and Divert to TPE on a 777-300ER this weekend, not quite sure why.
There seems to have been a recent spate of incidents on the GE90-115b, I have counted 8 IFSDs, returns or diversions in the last six months or so. The 777-300ER is not a huge fleet yet, so this number of events would seem to be significant.
I sense some nervousness.

[airseb]

apparently landed overweight with the according overweight ldg check list performed. the tables gave 2500 m landing distance at their weight and config. mxp has two very long runways (think it's 4000m).

what's best? a little overweight landing and some brake overheat or 30 minutes worth of flying with one engine shut down.
captain's decision...

[perkin]

Hardly a LARGE fan engine is it! Probably one of the most reliable engines around but not generally used on ETOPS ac like the 777 A330 767 etc

Ok, so its not large, but it is on ETOPS a/c...(PrivatAir BBJ's spring to mind). My main point was more to do with the fact you dont have to have an engine design concept from yesterday for it to be reliable...

[MarkD]

We don't buy RR, they spin the wrong way around...;)
And Snecma don't have a JV with RR like they do with GE on large turbines...