Keep The Queen B727!

[Eurotrash]

As a Captain flying these freighters around europe and previously passenger aircraft, I have to say im going to miss her.

Does ANYBODY really know when EAT/Air Contractors/Starair/Swift Air are going to retire these aircraft? I dont mention UPS as they have the -217 engines, which will see into 2010.

A few pics. http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=066280 http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=104349 http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=133698

Also European Governments MUST WAKE UP in this economic climate and keep these aircraft operating without restrictions as they cost nothing, are strong, and graceful aircraft

Vive La sept deux sept! :cool:

[Locolito]

Think i heard ACL will keep the 727 until sometime next year but can't remeber. I've got head like sieve :( lol

Rgds,
Loco.

[Conc]

Several pilots from the company I work for are now at Air Contractors on the 727 and they have been saying that the 727s will be retired by the end of next year.

[411A]

Not good news for the 727 on the western side of the great divide......UAL, AA, DAL to retire then all shortly...Kittyhawk Air Cargo to park 14 in November. Narrow body, three engines, three crew...not a good combination in todays' cost effective environment. Sad but true.

[GlueBall]

All good things must come to an end someday. The 727s and Diesel Eights have long overstayed their welcome in European skies. :(

[neil armstrong]

The problem is that there is no other A/C that can last in the cargo world like the 727 does (nicely over designed).

Please let me keep my toy!

Neil

[RampTramp]

Conc has it about right, as far as I know, current planning has the ACL 72's gone by the end of 2002 although I hear some will be moved to South Africa (Safair). The DHL ones should be gone shortly after although I think Swiftair will continue to operate the old lady for a few years yet. A lot depends on the deliveries of the 75, currently well behind schedule for several reasons but the EU hush kit ban is the real reason for their demise. I'm sure there are lots of people who agree with Neil A but, as of 2003, Europe fast runs out of airport where they can operate, especially at night.

I'm sure they still have a future in less restictive parts of the world. May their fires never go out & their tyres never go flat :)

[NIGHTFR8R]

from what I've heard the 727 will be banned from BRU & CGN March next year (too dammed noisy)

[Eurotrash]

Non, I think that the noise will be overcome by the way of "this airplane HAS too stay because of economics", DhlAir in UK wont be getting off the ground ME thinks.

My company EAT has crews(new crews) training in Burgges Hill in UK at the moment as Aer Contractors have(contract crews), Swift Well who knows??!

This machine WILL be around for another few years I HOPE!(geting on and dont need another type Rating)

I thought the DC8 with Karair was going to be my retirement bird!

More Food 4 taugt http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=072044 http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=110407 http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=120358 http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=138786

Sorry Guys I just cant resist this machine!!!!!
:rolleyes:

[ 15 October 2001: Message edited by: Eurotrash ]

[neil armstrong]

I think Bru. will be a little more open minded after Sabena will be gone and EAT is the biggest operator there!

Neil

[millionAIR]

dhl will hold on too some of their 727's and operate during the day.They will probably operate out of athens and hahn

[JJflyer]

B727's in Africa... Looks like this is the promised continent for the old lady. No noise restrictions, no restrictions period. Our airplanes are the stricktly stage II and probably one of the few -100 series still flying in pax configuration on scheduled routes.

I enjoy flying the " Thereeholer " and will miss it when moving into a new type.

[mig21bis]

As Bitish say, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

[mig21bis]

Sorry for the mistake,

As British say, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

[Cat-Club]

Cougar Cargo now operate the Super27...

"The Quiet Cat"
http://www.cougar-ltd.co.uk/aircraft/aircraft.html

[con-pilot]

Got about 7,000hrs in the old 72, really loved it. Thanks to UPS they will be around for a little longer.

Got to fly a 100 series with -217 engines, what an airplane!

:D :D :D :D

[On GS]

Just to get it straight. Those UPS -100 have RR TAY engines. ;)

[parcelpuppy]

All you 727 fans,
Look out .The Cougar Cats will start nightime prowling next week.

[Roc]

The UPS 727's are powered by RR Tays, that have approximately the same amount of thrust as a JT8D-17. Also UPS will be flying them for many years to come as they are stage 3 compliant, and I'm told possibly stage 4 if it occurs due to the Tays. All 52 -100 models are Tay modified, but they also fly 8 -200's that are hushkitted (JT8D)

[ironbutt57]

most if not all of the ups fleet are re-fitted with the tay engine

[Dockjock]

Anyone know how long Kelowna Flightcraft (Canada) will continue operating the 72, and what would be its replacement?

[IMC99]

Flightcraft is in the process of replacing all of its 100's with 200's. We only have around 4 100's left online I think, and are buying more 200's everyday.

Purolator wants an all 200 fleet eventually, transition should be done in a couple of years I assume.

As for how long we will fly it ... Hard to say, lots of rumours about 757's here, but most believe that it will be at least 5 years away with a slow transition period again.

Seems the consenus though that 57's will be the replacement.

[Dockjock]

Thanks IMC

[Bob Down]

Parcelpuppy

Surely should be 'Parcel-pussy' now! LoL:)

(No offence meant!)

[Fonck]

Hi all,

In the EAT fleet: 7 a/c till the end of 2003, then 4 a/c will fly from BRU, but only by day.

I say hello to all the fuelconverters' drivers ;) ;) ;)

[Hogg]

Hi Fonck

Yeah in the Air Contractors Fleet, 4 gone by end of this year.

2 remaining(at the moment)



http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/aircraft/FMSbeer.gif

[tinyrice]

The 727-200 in its various guises will be around for a while I think. The cost of replacing it, especially in low margin freight operations will make it difficult for organizations to trade up to the 757 or 767 yet. There's so many of them out there, especially those that haven't been depreciated off airline books that it will make sense, at least in the short term to trade in older junkers for younger junkers. Banks will prefer to have a low performaing asset over a non-performing asset so theres still value in trading in aircraft with a high corrosion debt for something newer. Same goes for engines. A JT8D overhauls for $1.2 to $1.8M, but those costs can be mitigated by buying low time modules instead of paying for expensive overhauls. The mix might change, especially in Europe and the USA, but the aggregate might not change that much while you can lease them for $75,000 month. Besides - I like them...............

[mutt]

Hogg,

How many of the ACL guys will be given the chance to fly the DHL 757's ??

Mutt.

[Caribou 2]

Dee Howard / BF Goodrich / Valsan Rohr / Raisbeck CAG / Avborne / Hamilton Aviation Stabaugh Aviation / Pemco World AS Kitty Hawk...........surely the research groundwork by these companies can be used for a solution to keep more of the a/c flying ?.

[CAT1]

All good things come to an end...

[pullusapint]

Not strictly true Cat1. Have a look at www.maxpoweraero.com/homes/pageone.htm