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[Snappybits]

MANX2




New Spanish Metro arrived today on Fraggle, are the 228's delayed?

[MUFC_fan]

Not sure. Does anybody know which aircraft are operating on which routes?
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Heard yesterday that M2 are looking at starting a new base on the mainland.:oh:

I would like to think it will be BLK with a LON link and services both North and South that are connectable to the Island through the seaside resort. As my heart wants BLK, my brain seems to go with somewhere else where maybe more money is available.

Anybody any ideas?

[IOMspotter]

I'd heard they were setting up GLO as there second hub in July and looking to do GLO GLA:8

[Yeadon Dam]

The IOM-LBA service is usually a Metroliner. EC-GPS has been in this week.

[GLOworm]

I'm biased(!) but GLO would make lots of sense.... the direct rail service to Scotland from Glos is being lost and the IOM route has proven a winner. Also the 228's are ideal for GLO's short runway and (for the moment) you aren't going to get any pesky Dash or ATR operators muscling in.

Don't see why DUB couldn't work either.....

[JDB1052]

Hey GLOworm

"Also the 228's are ideal for GLO's short runway and (for the moment) you aren't going to get any pesky Dash or ATR operators muscling in."

The Dublin boards showed an Aer Arran flight to GLO yesterday - presume the airfield must be capable fo something bigger than a aardvark 228 then?

JB

[MUFC_fan]

But at the moment only M2 are interested in GLO and M2 only operate upto 19 seated a/c...

[matspart3]

Aer Arann ATR72 was a charter for racing at Cheltenham...they'll be back in April for the Gloucester vs Munster Heineken Cup match too...


http://thumbs.fotopic.net/732048000045.jpg

ATR 42 or Dash 8-200 or 300 are pretty much unrestricted off GLO's runway, but the Manx2 IOM route with a 19-seater really has shown the potential and exploited the niche.

[GLOworm]

Apologoies JB I'll clarify...... obstructions and runway length mean that Dash/ATRs will be restricted in payload (particularly if wet) and obviously more restricted for ATR72s and larger Dashs. Matspart please correct me if I'm off-beam here!

IMO this is probably a disincentive for these operators so Manx2 can avoid competition from the biggish boys. I said "for the moment" because if the proposals go through to remove the obstructions and reinstate part of the runway this might change. In fact part of the reason this has been proposed is to remove the restrictions on perfomance for these a/c types.

I agree with Matspart - Manx2 has shown the potential at GLO. It can certainly take some of the pax from BHX/BRS - the airport is more convenient and (because the terminal is tiny!) user-friendly - particularly for Glos residents.

Has anyboy else heard anything about more M2 routes?

[jetstreamtechrecords]

Haven't seen G PLAJ for some time. Are Manx2 still using it as back-up?

[matspart3]

Don't know about the Jetsream, but there's an extra rotation on the GLO/IOM legs on Thursdays....

[Danmadole]

I see Manx2 are using a Bulgarian Let410 in and out of Belfast yesterday and today. Is this a short-term lease-in or long term replacement for Dorniers?

[MUFC_fan]

The new L410 visited BLK this morning aswell. I think it is a tempory a/c for when the EMA starts on Monday.

Don't know where the M2 Dorniers are!:confused:

[matspart3]

First of the Dorniers is registered and 'imminent'....I've seen the pictures!!

[Dufo]

Dorniers went tech even before entering service.. worse than Metros :eek:

[MUFC_fan]

Why are nearly all the IOM-BLK flights from tomorrow until early next week near enough full. Extra flight on Monday also. 2 flights in 5 minutes!:eek:

[matspart3]

The GLO is pretty full this week too, by the looks of it. Cheltenham Festival presumably...

[JulietNovemberPapa]

Any news on NM getting D28s? Jethro's state that it'll use two FLM Aviation machines from sometime in the 1Q of this year. Anyone got anything more specific?

Any other info about NM?

Cheers.

[GLOworm]

Heard they've gone tech (already) apparantly

[JulietNovemberPapa]

So they actually have the D28s? I haven't hitherto found Jethro's to be inaccurate, but it's still saying they're due in the 1Q.

Incidentally, GLOworm, I'll be flying GLO-JER in July.

[GLOworm]

I don't think they've got them yet. When they do they'll put them on to IOM-GLO.

Enjoy the flight JNP - it'll be interesting to see how the GLO-JER loads are - the CAA stats seem quite low but not sure if they include IOM-JER pax or not.

Anyone heard anything further on rumoured GLO-GLA (or is it PIK)?

[virginblue]

One FLM Dornier 228 (ex Islandsflug) was undergoing maintenance last week in DTM.

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=4563&SkyID=bd9edaf6844674d36bc6ea19299d9621

[jabberwok]

D-IFLM was flying in the UK today but with FKI900 as the callsign. Looks like it was heading for Blackpool or Ronaldsway.

[fragul]

Correct Jabberwok - the D228 was into IOM at 1824 from Bremen then out to Wahlstedt at 2040. I assume a proving flight.

[JulietNovemberPapa]

Thanks.

Anyone know when the machine will enter NM's fleet?

[matspart3]

Very soon, I hope!

[aeulad]

Manx2 should open Angelsey and Carlisle. Gloucester seems to have been a success, these 2 underserved airports have links with the IOM, 19 seater ideal.

Regards

Mike

[jabberwok]

It's funny how history repeats itself.

Cambrian got swallowed up by BA and a few years down the line they cut the domestic market and left the IoM. Years later you substitute Cambrian for Manx Airlines and the same happens.

Now we see Manx 2 working Gloucester and a suggestion of Carlisle is made. Go back 30 years and Dan Air flew these routes -and Bournemouth, Bristol, Aberdeen, Teesside and East Midlands. Wheels go round...

[MUFC_fan]

Carlisle, Doncaster and Newquay would be the top of my list!:ok:

[JulietNovemberPapa]

I'm hoping my July GLO-JER flight will be by the D28. Then I can fly EMA-IOM to get on the SWM, then IOM-BFS/BHD to get on the L4T. Of course, substitutions occur, so it's not possible to guarantee, but... Anyway, NM has some great fares, e.g. EMA-IOM from £39 one-way all-in, and IOM-BFS/BHD from £15 one-way all-in. Brilliant fares to get on very different aircraft.

[IOMspotter]

Manx2 announced earlier today a record new order for 136 Do228's for delivery during 2009. Speaking to Manx Radio earlier today their MD said "we assume FlyBe and EuroManx will kill each other off over the next year so we want to be around to pick up the pieces. We'll be flying a new regular service to MAN departing every 10 mins from 0700 and to LGW every 7 minutes from 0704 with a last flight departing at 2106. we have chosen the Do228 as its STOL characteristics will enable us to also to land on the roof of T5 LHR, restoring the islands much missed link." ENDS:O

[Richard Taylor]

136 DO228s???!!!!

That's RIDICULOUS!!!!

(Should be 137...:E)

[Super Ally]

I think that this is an April Fool ................!!!!!

[jethro15]

DIFLM

Correct Jabberwok - the D228 was into IOM at 1824 from Bremen then out to Wahlstedt at 2040. I assume a proving flight.
Not quite, it was delivering AOG spares.

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com

[JulietNovemberPapa]

Anyone know when D-IFLM will actually enter NM's fleet?

[j41cac]

Has anyone forgotten how big EuroM started and dwindled to 2 a/c in the space of 1-2 years. It won't be long till M2 bubble bursts.

Has anyone flown on a L410, J32 or MLiner? Bloody noisy and uncomfortable. Plus, they're not that cheap either .:hmm:

[MUFC_fan]

Has anyone forgotten how big EuroM started and dwindled to 2 a/c in the space of 1-2 years. It won't be long till M2 bubble bursts.

Has anyone flown on a L410, J32 or MLiner? Bloody noisy and uncomfortable. Plus, they're not that cheap either .:hmm:


Yet they keep getting customers coming back to them! I wouldn't mind paying £30 return and passing through BLK opposed to LPL/MAN for £38!

They have an extremely good setup on the Isle and they are very well liked by the Islanders.

Lets hope more is to come from the 19 seat asassins!:ok:

[JulietNovemberPapa]

I'm flying GLO-JER in July, hopefully on the D28 - if, of course, it's delivered by then. ;-)

Will hopefully fly EMA-IOM-BHD/BFS in early Sept - for £56 incl. taxes and card fees. What a brilliant price! Ideally I'll then get on the SWM and L4T.

[Snappybits]

Hot off the press.........

D0228 finally arrives at 0700 tomorrow morning to do IOM/GLO at 07300

[JulietNovemberPapa]

Really? What's your source? If it's true, I look forward to seeing some photos.

[Haven't a clue]

Of course it will be foggy and the great moment will pass un-noticed....

And sadly JNP will be trapped on the island unable to return home as the great God Manannan hurls down his cloak!:E

[JulietNovemberPapa]

LOL. Fortunately, then, I'm not on the IOM. ;-)

[Snappybits]

D0228 finally arrives

Arrived from Kiel 1/2hr late....went to GLO and back IOM now on it's way to EMA.

[MUFC_fan]

Manx2 reaches 100,000 customers

14.04.08
Isle of Man based airline Manx2 has reached a major milestone today, with its 100,000th passenger flying on one of the its seven routes from the islands. The airline operates flights on routes to Belfast (Belfast City (http://www.belfastcityairport.com/) and International), Blackpool, Leeds, Gloucester (M5), East Midlands and Jersey.
Manx2 communications director, James Filleul, said: ‘When we launched the business from scratch in July 2006 we offered 3 routes, and 72 services each week. That has grown in less than two years to 7 routes, and our new summer timetable offers at least 184 flights every week, fares fares from just £15 [online single including tax].’
The airline has also just boosted its aircraft fleet with the arrival of a new aircraft, a nineteen seat Dornier 228 . It is also working on a new maintenance base and company headquarters, which will be opening later this year at Isle of Man airport.



Congratulations to Manx2 on achieving what I and many other thought would not be achievable two years ago.

Lets hope the 200,000 arrives next year!

Keep up the good work lads and lasses!

Anybody know if Manx2 are now making a profit? If not, they must have deep pockets!

[GLOworm]

Article from the Gloucester Citizen. Anyone have any idea what the possible new route is?

An airline flying to Gloucestershire Airport from the Isle of Man says it has not been affected by the problems which caused the collapse of another Manx operator.Euromanx announced its closure last week, citing increased fuel costs as a reason for its demise, but Manx2.com, which flies between the island and Staverton, is doing well.

Communications director James Filleul said: "We are not suffering the same problems. We're doing very well indeed."

Mr Filleul added that the airline had recently added flights to its route between Douglas and Gloucestershire.

He said: "We are looking at putting one more route into Staverton, it's been so successful."

[MUFC_fan]

Maybe we can put the two rumours from BLK and GLO together to create a Manx2 service from BLK to GLO. If Manx2 were to base a plane in BLK and launch to new routes it could satisfy both rumours!

[JulietNovemberPapa]

I've got three NM flights booked:

25/7: GLO-JER = hopefully D28 = £69 paid
2/9: BHD-IOM = hopefully L4T = £15 paid
2/9: IOM-LBA = hopefully SWM = £49 paid

Looking forward to all three.

[GLOworm]

MUFC - what's the BLK rumour?

[MUFC_fan]

BLK is to get two new routes which are apparently "in the bag"

[GLOworm]

BLK - GLO it is then! ;)

[ALLMCC]

Could the other one be BLK - BHD direct instead of via IOM? - just a thought!

[MUFC_fan]

Looks like Manx2's base fare has risen on the BLK route to £24 o/w inc. taxes. Obviously I have not checked all of the dates but that seems the case.

Is it the end of the £15 offer or is the fuel taking it's toll even on those machines that seem to run on air?

Still being advertised at £15.

[horatio_b]

There are still £15 fares available but well into the future

eg November 25th & 26th BPL-IOM

[MUFC_fan]

Yeh, I was planning to book a day return 22 Nov and they have risen to £24 but they changed last week to £39 then have dropped again so they may still be twinking with the fares.

[atomicspaceship]

Any news on the rumoured additional route from Gloucester? I would have thought Belfast would be a good fit or, if looking to add to their Channel Islands destinations, maybe Guernsey?

[GLOworm]

GLA or PIK were rumoured at one time. Not sure about BHD since M2 do GLO-IOM-BHD already.....

[MUFC_fan]

Has anyone seen the prices for checked in baggage now?!

They used to be £2 at the airport - now they want £4 online or £6 at the airport!

Amazing!

[OliWW]

Its so they can still advertise cheap flights for like £19.99 without tax, and people will be like, oo thats cheap, and fly, but then there are hidden charges, all low cost airlines do it these days, because of other rising costs... FUEL!!!

[JulietNovemberPapa]

But the total to-pay amount appears before you click book, so if you don't like it you can choose not to purchase the flight(s).

I'm looking forward to my GLO-JER flight next Friday. Hopefully it'll be on the D28. I've got two more in Sept: BHD-IOM (£15 including taxes) and IOM-LBA. I'm hoping to get on both the L4T and the SWM.

[matspart3]

MUFC
An extra £2 in the face of the rising fuel cost is hardly the end of the world, is it?

[IOMspotter]

.......and still half the price of BE:hmm:

[daninLTN]

excuse my ignorance but where do all the pax for the Gloucester route come from? I'm just curious as to how such a small area can sustain regular air service?

are there any future routes that could be sustainable?

[cyfarthfa]

The airport is smalll but is strategically situated. It is bang on the junction of the M5 motorway and the A40. Bristol approx 30 miles, Oxford 40 miles Swindon 40 miles Cardiff and south Wales approx 1 hour away. Cotswolds on the doorstep.There are a lot of people living within 1 hour of the airport.

[GLOworm]

Gloucester and Cheltenham are fairly small on their own but they are only 8 miles apart and if you put them together there's 1/4 million people (and there's the transport links).

Local pax have always been in the mindset to use BRS or BHX but I think this is changing..... allegedly Manx2 affected Easterns loads into BRS so they dropped the route.

It could probably sustain routes to DUB, GLA or EDI and if the RESA reinstatement happens you could see WOW, Arran or FlyBE having a look.

[matspart3]

The catchment extends far further than the immediate local area, particularly given the proximity of the M5/A40 junction.

Allied with the free parking, 50 yard walk from car to aeroplane, never more than 19 pax in the security queue and no ATC delays (except when LACC won't play ball!!), the whole experience is far easier than BHX or BRS, for anyone from North Bristol to Redditch.

The infrastructure isn't really in place for more than 40 seats, but Manx2 have found a niche and are making a damn fine job of exploiting it. Pax up again last month...

[SAM-EMA]

Does anyone know how EMA loads are doing? Any chance of an increase?

Thanks in advance.
SAM-EMA

[JulietNovemberPapa]

I flew GLO-JER on 25th July and the flight, on the SWM, was almost full. Hardly surprising, of course, considering it was peak season and there's only three weekly services.

I presently live around 45 minutes by car from GLO.

[MUFC_fan]

Its all quite on the Manx2 front?

Any news about changes in schedule or new routes?

How many aircraft are they operating now?

[matspart3]

Started 3rd September last year, second Dornier imminent..........loads on GLO routes really strong and still growing....probably top 20 000 pax in the first year of operation

[JulietNovemberPapa]

Yes, I was hoping for the D28 on the route, but it ended up being the SWM. Oh well - the way it goes sometime.

[FS01]

new route chester? trying to get DHSS contract..... only an idea

[Haven't a clue]

Chester - yep, I saw that too on the Ronaldsway board. Most probably a Manx Grand Prix charter, so expect to see a departure tomorrow. Didn't realise that Hawarden had security etc to process pax. Thought it was BAe corporate or freight only?

[lfc84]

test flight before commercial launch :ok:

whats the 'xmas shopping' on their website origin list ?

[AKASAU]

I believe the xmas shopping flight is Belfast City.

[GLOworm]

I see there's 3 Gloucester rotations today - is this now permanent on Fridays? It's not timetabled on the M2 website.....

[AKASAU]

No there is only 2 rotations the 1715 departure one has been put up in error :rolleyes:

[FS01]

Don't think chester was a charter, at least not judging by the people who came off it.... :eek:

Possibly a test, Is just near LPL and MAN enough to be convienient and if the Landing charges etc. are low enough just the right place to annoy BE. They certainlycouldn't take on BE but seem to be confident enough to wind them up!! :{

[JulietNovemberPapa]

I lived for 6 months in Chester and for a few years in the Bangor and Snowdonia areas. I used to use the Chester-Bangor railway quite a bit, and I enjoyed seeing Chester Airport as I whizzed by. It'll be interesting to see whether the scheduled route commences.

[fragul]

What are the transport links to Hawarden like?

[Island Jockey]

Who does the technical support for Manx 2 and how is the D228 getting on that had the burst tyre?

[FS01]

Wouldn't bet against MME in the too distant future. :ok: Although don't get too carried away with idea of Chester/CEG as is only rumoured at the moment, would be a great move though!

[IOMspotter]

I hear Manxy2 had a good month in August , as did BE. Eastern struggled like h*ll again on BHX and NCL. What chance Eastern dropping NCL and M2 picking it up.:confused:

[matspart3]

Another GLO rotation

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Isle of Man | Manx2 expands year-old air route (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/isle_of_man/7593868.stm)

[FS01]

Wouldn't suprise me but I would expect Manx2 to make the first move if they wanted the route :ok:

[GV23]

Launch at Chester delayed twice. It is not strictly a scheduled flight, but a very regular charter when it starts.
Hawarden is very easy to access by road via the A55. No train links even with a train line next to it, but many bus links from North Wales, Chester and beyond. Easier access for North Wales, the Wirral, parts of Cheshire and North Shropshire than LPL, so a large catchment area.

[lfc84]

would be great if this happended :ok:

[GLOworm]

I see the latest addition to Manx2's fleet is now in operation - FLM Avation's Do228 D-CMNX

[YellowRocks]

Any idea's on which route(s) the 228's operate on regularly?

[Yeadon Dam]

Do Manx2 ever intend to get their own AOC at any point and start oeprating their own aircraft?

The LBA flights seem to be pretty packed out most days. Are bigger aircraft a possibility?

[GLOworm]

Yellow Rocks.

The 228's don't seem to operate regularly on any route. Type allocation on each route varies between the Lets the Metros and the 228s.

[jabberwok]

Do Manx2 ever intend to get their own AOC at any point and start oeprating their own aircraft?

No Manx based airline can get an AOC - it's outside the CAA's jurisdiction.

[YellowRocks]

I was told by Manx via email that they were flying the 228 on the GLO/JER route so I bought a cheapie ticket on them and of course I got the Metro. I would love to get a 228 ride in my book.

[Yeadon Dam]

Thanks for that jabberwok.

Will they ever get bigger aircraft, or will they just grow by increasing frequencies?

[GLOworm]

Yellow,

Although the 228 is better suited to GLO than the Metro I think they only used D-CMNX for 2 GLO rotations last month - one of these went via Cardiff (on the 27th). I guess this was a diversion unless someone else knows the reason?

[MUFC_fan]

Remember, if Manx2 were to increase it capacity per aircraft by one seat (to 20) it would automatically put £200 and £10 more for every seat after that added.

This is because of the ADP which is exempt for the 19 seater and under aircraft.

The current aircraft are fantastic and if they were to increase capacity on any route it would be by frequency, not capacity.

[boris]

I think you may be wrong Jabberwock.
There are special arrangements in place for the Isle of Man. How else could Manx Airlines have held its own AOC being resident on the Island? A new AOC was issued for Manx Airlines Europe (which was re-named BRAL) when they started to operate from the uk.
The Manx aircraft registry is quite different and does not pretend to regulate public transport operations. Jet2 could, therefore obtain an AOC should it wish as could have Manx Europe. The fact that they don´t is purely a company issue unless the rules have recently changed.

[jabberwok]

How else could Manx Airlines have held its own AOC being resident on the Island?

Manx Airlines operated off BMA's AOC.
Woodgate Aviation operate off Woodgate (Belfast) AOC.
Island Aviation operated off Northern Executive Aviation's AOC.

[Flightrider]

An operator based in the Isle of Man or Channel Islands can hold a UK AOC issued by the CAA but cannot hold an EU Operating Licence as both are outside the EU. You need both an AOC (operational competence) and an Operating Licence (financial fitness) to trade as an airline.

The CAA has put in place different licensing arrangements in place of the OL for carriers based in the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. Both Aurigny and Blue Islands hold these licences and so there is no reason why Manx2 couldn't if it chose to apply for one.

Edit - and PS, Manx did not operate off BMA's AOC. It perhaps did in the very very early days but it certainly held its own AOC for quite some period of time.

[boris]

Thank you Flightrider.
As a matter of fact, Manx Airlines never operated on BMA´s AOC.

[Legal Beagle]

Any news on the Chester flights?

[midnight retired]

If my memory serves me correct the head office for Manx Airlines was near East Midlands Airport were Sir Michael Bishop,the boss of both BMA and Manx resided,hence Manx having its own CAA issued AOC.

[boris]

midnight retired,
I´m afraid your memory isn´t serving you too well.
The head office for Manx Airline was always at Ronalsway airport. Sir Michael Bishop, as he became, was the chairman of this company which itself was owned 75% by BMA and 25% by Air UK. When Air UK stopped operating, it´s 25% was bought by BMA.
As Manx expanded, it was unable, as an offshore company, to operate all its intended network, thus Manx Airlines Europe was formed to operate initially from CWL in 1992.
This company was re-named British Regional Airlines, which had its own AOC and a separate company called British Regional Holdings was formed to own both BRAL and Manx. They both continued with separate AOCs until after the public floatation of BRAL and the subsequent purchase by BA of the whole shooting match!
Sorry to be so painfully long-winded.

[midnight retired]

Thankyou Boris for correcting my thread,a well constructed reply.Must take more water with the whisky !!

[j41cac]

airbus not interested in Manx2 at CEG, they say Eastern or nothing as they already have a/c based there for Filton.:=

[xtypeman]

Had the same problem a few years ago. I had set up a flight as a promotional idea for the round Wales airsevice. Arranged handling etc etc.. Invited guests included First minister and AM from Welsh assembly, who had just given Airbus £25m. Airbus turnround and said private airfeild go away.

[GLOworm]

The new M2 winter schedule shows more flights to GLO (now up to 16 rotations per week with 3 on Monday, Thursday, Friday). Also improved connections from GLO to BHD (now daily M-F) but JER down to Friday and Sunday.

EMA is down to 4 a week though.

[matspart3]

The extra Monday rotation was announced today. Great news for Gloucester, load factors are still good.

[ALLMCC]

Pity they wouldn't try GLO - BHD direct instead of via IOM - might work 2 or 3 times a week.

[MUFC_fan]

Manx2 don't have planes/crews in GLO or BHD and probably don't have the funds to expand with a new base.

Manx2 need to keep to their guns over the next 24 months until we see the light at the end of the tunnel.

They look to be doing OK at the moment.

[BAladdy]

Manx2 seem to be onto a good thing at GLO. Cn't help but think that they could use their foot hold at GLO to open a very lucerative base.

For instance GLO to EDI/GLA and maybe LCY or LGW could do well year round. Also seasonal summer services to NQY.

Could there be a time when we will see Manx2 do this?

[GLOworm]

I think GLA/EDI/DUB are obvious choices (GLO's teeny terminal allowing!). Also it could also work if a niche player wanted to repeat the M2 success by offering a BRS/BHX alternative from the Channel Islands.

However, I don't see anyone taking the risk in the current economic climate and, as MUFC Fan says, if M2 were going to expand at GLO it would need to open a new base (with all the additional cost).

After everything M2 have put into GLO it would be a shame for another player to come in and take advantage of the potential there.

[mmeteesside]

I see manx2 have signed their 2nd Dornier 228 (presumably from FLM?) as announced on their website. Also states they are planning more flights on more routes ... so any chance of the rumoured MME route coming to life? :suspect:

[GLOworm]

It'll be their 3rd Dornier and I think they'll be returning one of the Metros.

[Flightrider]

Are all of the Dorniers from the same operator (FLM?).

[GLOworm]

The current two (D-IFLM and D-CMNX) are - I guess the next will be too.

[RVF750]

Makes sense. The A/C is well liked by pax and both looks better and is faster I think.

[GV23]

IOM-CEG 4 rotations a day with D228 starts 5th January 2009

[lfc84]

IOM-CEG 4 rotations a day with D228 starts 5th January 2009

when will this be officially announced ?

can you post the schedule ?

[has001]

Can you tell me where this news came from i cannot find this on their website ,i am a regular flyer to iom ta:ok:

[atomicspaceship]

I'm really interested to know if this is fact...

[boredcounter]

Linking to a map, available interlines, and finding Zoom Airlines – Low Fare Leader Across the Atlantic (http://zoomairlines.com/).

Very finger on the pulse in the given climate!!!!!!!!!!!

[Legal Beagle]

Nothing on Manx2's website yet about IOM - CEG.

Where did the information come from? I had heard it rumoured a while ago, coupled with plans to extend opening hours at CEG in the new year.

Confirmation would be welcome!

[GV23]

I work at Hawarden. The schedule was outlined by Chester Handling, as a regular charter aircraft.

[lfc84]

Legal Beagle wrote:

Confirmation would be welcome!

Ditto

[Haven't a clue]

IOM Today reporting a dedicated hospital patient transfer service will operate twice daily to Hawarden using a Manx2 D228, chartered by the IoM DHSS.

Looks as though there will be no scheduled passenger service offered.

Link to DHSS press release here:

Isle of Man Patients to Receive Broadened Air Transfer Service to UK - Isle of Man Airport Website (http://www.gov.im/airport/enquiries/ViewNews.gov?page=lib/news/dhss/isleofmanpatient.xml&menuid=11570)

[FS01]

If it 'takes off' :O then it would be good to see it turn into a scheduled route. Obviously if the airport authorities at CEG are not intrested its unlikely. But all the same its another good move by Manx2.com! Best of Luck. :ok:

[MUFC_fan]

I certainly hope the routes become a success and keeps Manx2 flying!

Heard on the IOM thread that BE maybe launching BHD and BLK. What could this mean for Manx2 as these are two of their main destinations? I am guessing that it would be 2x daily on the BHD and daily on the BLK which would not take too many businesses travellers off of them, especially on the BLK but surely it would affect passenger numbers on these two launch routes?

[Tinwald]

good bye Manxy 2, fella, thats waht'l happen. Those flybe fellas won't stop til they've killed all the little operators off same as they did the the euros by killing thme off on Liverpool. Not good for the locals this monoply.:=

[Tonyq]

Oh dear............BHD and BLK has all the characteristics of FlyBe's toys going out of the pram over the Manx2 flights for DHSS.

[Cloud1]

This is starting to get annoying - stop accusing Flybe of throwing their toys out of the pram. Why would they give a monkeys toss over what Manx2 do? they are hardly a big competitor now are they. Flybe do not intend to make all the other carriers go bust - afterall if they are as good as you make them out to be they should survive as passengers will use them over the newbie.

Euromanx failed because they did not understand how to run a succesful company. That is why its CEO ran like a coward on the day they went down.

Mods - can we please stop all this pathetic moaning about BE and the routes they select to operate?

Nothing has been confirmed - this has just led on from a rumour on another thread. I am not saying it wont happen but there is no suffient evidence to back this up at the moment.

[mosquitob4]

:=How quaint and how touching! So - FlyBe do not use their size and commercial muscle to attempt to demolish small, potential commercial opposition to gain market share? Ever? Numerous comments and the general air of cynicism on this and other threads would suggest otherwise!:rolleyes: I expect that you believe that this 'rumour' - which I too have heard today - is pure coincidence and nothing to do with Manx 2 capturing a bit of their Liverpool business?

And what is this about Mods stopping fair comment and speculation? You got shares in FlyBe?

[Tinwald]

Cloud1 fella if you hadn't noticed from up there on your high horse this is a RUMOUR network. I can just imagine the manx2 people thinking great - flybe is going to come on our bread and butter routes and cut our pax numbers. Come on fella, get real. flybe is biig enough to wipe out anyone they care to compete against on a route. why bother going to Belfast or Blackpool if you don't intend to run the routes as a profit and that's done by wiping out the opposition. Whether you say so or not the euros might have been run by some shady characters but flybe starting on Liverpool killed em.

And this Cloud 1 is a big flybe fan - take a look at his past postings, yessir.

[jetstreamtechrecords]

Er.......BE not predatory? What did they do to Eastern's daily IOM SOU? Wheres IOM SOU this winter:ooh:

[FS01]

Hmmmm BLK i cannot see happening but BHD is a definite possibility!! Doubt it will happen in the near future though.

[Capt. Horrendous]

It seems, if what I've heard today is correct, that the M2 service to Hawarden will not cater for PRMs - especially WCR & WCS pax. Anyone in the know able to confirm this ?.

[Cloud1]

What I experience great difficulty is getting through to those people who are so certain they are right they are not prepared to take a step back and think - not even a little.

mosquitob4 and Tinwald - When on earth will you both realise that the airlines that drop routes are the failure in the equation. It doesn't really have anything to do with pushing airlines out it boils down to what passengers want. Sure it is far from ideal when an airline the size of Flybe moves in on a route a smaller carrier operates but the fact is, and whether you listen or not I could not give a monkeys, the passenger will move to the new airline if they are not happy with the current service be it prices or service in general.

Why would a passenger move otherwise?? Maybe rather than moaning the other carriers should look back and ask why their passenger numbers have dropped so much they have to pull the route now Flybe have stepped in?? I have no doubt at all that both Flybe and Manx2 can operate on the same route as I feel they both cater for different markets but that is a professional opinion and clearly something which is not taken into account with some.

And by the way, I aint on any horse. I am just stating the facts. And yes I am a fan of Flybe, as I work for them (I do not believe I have ever hidden this fact so well done to Einstein here for working it out!)

[Wellington Bomber]

Well come on Cloud 1 answer the question, why are you not operating IOM to Southampton year round, as Flybe jumped on a regular year round service offered by Eastern?

[mosquitob4]

Cloud 1 - it is you who is either not thinking or is so blinded by loyalty to your employer that you cannot see what must be going on right in front of you - unless, of course, your presence on Pprune is sanctioned by and supported by your employer. How can you imply that airlines fail regardless of the actions of others - for that is the logic behind your comments? That FlyBe has nothing to do with others failures? Come off it - just look at their behaviour - using their deeper pockets and cross-subsidising from other routes to undercut and force out other airlines, then using their monopoly to rack up the fares and bleed the customer. That is, of course, a perfectly reasonable business model - you'll see it everywhere - but it IS predatory. Like all such business behaviours, it has a down-side - it is a very short-term strategy which has some serious long term disadvantages. FlyBe's behaviour indicates that it may not yet appreciate that!

[GLOworm]

Just to clarify - are flybe looking at IOM to both BHD and BLK, or just BHD to BLK?

If the latter then I can't see M2 being affected too much.....and I can't see the former happening anyhow.

Just a thought.

[FS01]

Very strong opinion but each to their own!!

Manx2 a/c are not able to take PRMs except WCHR i believe... Is to do with Ambulift vehicle not being suitable for smaller a/c...

[Capt. Horrendous]

How convenient :hmm:

[The Shop Floor]

Convenient indeed.

No wonder the Minister is saying they will continue to use BE, 'guys, you carry on with the labour intensive, time consuming, delay causing ambulift; those who can get themselves on without requiring assistance will be taking their business to M2'.

Or am I being cynical....???

[jetstreamtechrecords]

Come on Cloud1, the SOU answer (or no SOU answer) is...............:confused:

[Cloud1]

I believe SOU was always a summer route only (at least initially)........and as such funnily enough operated in the summer and not winter. Flybe then felt a winter service would be viable in view of the demand for its seats but as with a lot of routes this year particularly it is not operating to a high frequency but this should not be any surprise as all airlines are cutting back. People simply do not want to fly between SOU and IOM............Eastern are more than welcome to go back onto the route if they feel they have the right model and service ;)

Its a shame Eastern simply could not stand a little bit of competition - clearly they were doing something wrong in the first place as most seemed to jump on Flybe when they started (maybe fares??)

But, I am not prepared to go into depth about Flybe's route network anymore. Having read through some of the responses on this particular thread I simply cannot be bothered....although I must just respond to one thing; my comments are not supported or backed by Flybe (as some smart person suggested).

Going back to Manx2, I am very interested in the smaller operators of the UK. Any chance we could see aircraft joining the fleet at some point with greater capacity or are they sticking with the Dorniers, Lets and Metros' ?

[MUFC_fan]

The problem is the fees involved in aircraft above 19 seats.

If Manx2 were to introduce a Donier 328 on their routes it would immediately increase fees by £320 before they even start as the ADP will come into effect.

I think Manx2 have found a perfect equilibrium which in this business, anywhere across the globe is extremely hard.

Well done Manx2.

Plus I would like to add how professionally they have behaved in the new BLK fee fair. They have made no noise but have reduced the fares ex. BLK by £10 to offset this. Businessmen who are gentlemen are few and far between.

[Wellington Bomber]

Cloud 1

I will fill in for your lack of knowledge. Eastern never competed with Flybe on the Southampton because as soon as Flybe announced it Eastern pulled the route. Because they know that a D8-400 is overkill on ths route. This was a time when Flybe tried to kill all competition on the Isle of Man but failed. Old Lakey has big pockets and very wise, it is rumoured he was at the birth of Jesus?

[RVF750]

Any competed route to/from the Island loses money, fact of life.

I still reckon SOU-IOM could be viable on Fridays during winter, but unless you plan a full line to include it, it doesn't fit in with other SOU based route patterns.

Next Summer, the route will be operated by IOM Crews most days, that'll be a nice day out for them.

[Tinwald]

Thumper fella. You always seem to be the flybee offficial spokesman on rock matters. Are you the flybe manager on the island?:confused:

[IOMspotter]

i heard IOM December passengers were down 7% mainly in the North West routes:{. Seems like the credit cruynch is hitting Ronaldsway now.

[PPRuNe Pop]

If anyone doubts the impartial actions of the mods. Be in no doubt. We are.

One post and poster has been removed because of safety accusations. THAT......is a no no.

Keep this thread on topic or some of you will join him.

PPP

[GLOworm]

I see Manxy2's next Dornier has arrived - is it going to get a paint job too?

Also will any of the Metroliners be returned now or will this give additional capcity for the Chester contract (or new routes!)?

[fredtheanorak]

One of the Manxy2 crew told me over xmas the plan is to major on the 228s and l410s and definitley no new routes in 2009.;) Word from above :8was consolidation year:sad: ManU man always seems to know BLKs numbers before anyone else so maybe hell let us know the December answer:ok:

[MUFC_fan]

Who me?

I'll let you know mid month when the figures are out or if the IOM website beats me to it!:ok:

[matspart3]

GLO pax were up substantially in December...

[SWBKCB]

Slightly off topic, but Skyliner-aviation.de have a photo of a Do.228 at Salzburg on what it describes as a "ski charter from the Isle of Man" ! :eek:


Skyliner - aviation news & more (http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=5377)

[j41cac]

It goes without saying that the GLO has had a little impact on Eastern BHX. They seem to be doing okay but thats due to some agreement I believe ( the BRS too ) ?

They are handled by same company and have something up their sleeve.

Who knows? Wait and see eh!

:hmm:

[GLOworm]

According to the Gloucester Citizen & Gloucestershire Echo, Manx2 are planning 2 new European routes from GLO by the end of the summer....with Paris and Edinburgh the most likely.

Is this for real or are they just drumming up some PR? Any insider info?

[matspart3]

Here's the link: -

Gloucestershire Airport could be providing flights across Europe this summer (http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Destination-Europe/article-610426-detail/article.html)

The public comments are interesting and overwhelmingly in favour of new destinations but the article is little more than a selection of recent quotes made into a story. Gloucester City Council are set to decide on the Airport's Runway Safety Project tomorrow night and the press have done a good job of stirring up a potential hornet's nest just days beforehand.:ugh:

That said, Manx2 have clearly demonstrated the potential for regional routes and the pax love the simple, relaxed, friendly atmosphere that Gloucester provides, not to mention the free parking!

[RVF750]

Nope....I've got way more hair than him.

[GBALU53]

With another D228 and a Let 410 joining Manx 2 is this due to expansion
or some of the leases run out?

The two D228 they have now are in the company colours so is the third D228 to replace a Metroliner?

Could the company be looking at some news routes for this comming summer?

[GLOworm]

GBALU:

Gloucester to Paris/Edinburgh apparently.....

Gloucestershire Airport could be providing flights across Europe this summer (http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Destination-Europe/article-610426-detail/article.html)

[s_insania]

I think one of the Let's (OK-RDA) has been returned, that's why OK-ASA has joined the fleet.
Also, it looks like EC-ITP and EC-GPS have also both left Fraggle Rock leaving D-CNAG and D-CSAL.
Then that leaves the 3 D228's now that D-ILKA is in service, 1 for CEG and 1 for GLO. That leaves 1 for charter work, or will it be put on EMA?

Sam

[Airnuts]

Re Gloucestershire Airport could be providing flights across Europe this summer (http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Destination-Europe/article-610426-detail/article.html)

It does already as it connects Isle of Man (Europe) with the Channel Isles (Europe) ;-) See my trip report on GLO at www.travelreports.webs.com (http://www.travelreports.webs.com) (follow quicklink to Manx2GLO)

Whilst with Manx2, anyone looking at today's arrivals and departures will have seen:

Isle of Man IOM/EGNS - 21 Jan 09
Arrivals
NM851 Chester NM Manx2 09:15 (CEG/EGNR)
NM859 Chester NM Manx2 17:35
Depart
NM854 Chester NM Manx2 10:30

These are charter flights for the Manx DHSS to NHS hospital care. Whilst I do not know which destination hospitals, I must remark that my brother died of cancer in a Wirral hospital not far from Chester so no jokes pls.

However, Manx2 might be interested in interest for this route as scheduled flights

[MUFC_fan]

Surprised they didn't transfer the passengers through BLK as the NHS do send a lot of people to Blackpool hospital which I believe is a big one which caters for a number of serious illnesses and operations.

Doubt we will see Chester as a scheduled destination in the near future. More likely to see places such as DSA and Carlisle.

[MUFC_fan]

Does anybody know when/if Manx2 will be launching their TT schedule. I doubt they will add much to BLK but BHD seems to be expanded quite a lot plus LBA got some more flights last year.

Manx2 may go head to head with BE and offer the bus service like the last two years but I doubt it. Do they have the aircraft to do such as operation this year?

[Legal Beagle]

Any news on how the CEG flights are going?

[Haven't a clue]

Some locals are apparantly protesting that they have to crouch to sit in the small planes - and the authorities are under pressure to allow them to travel uncrouched to LPL with BE....:suspect:

[MUFC_fan]

But he hasn't a clue...:}:}:}

Sorry...I couldn't miss that opportunity!:ok:

[FS01]

Some people will always protest even if they had an aircraft to themselves!

[GBALU53]

What is happening on Fraggle Rock with Manx 2??
Is there more ideas on routes that they are looking into??? the reason is last Friday they were seen operation a D228 in and out of Alderney in the Channel Island , what can this mean?
Could there be a certain person in Manx 2 looking at moving some of the operation into Alderney???
At the moment Alderney only has 2 schedule services no the Alderney-Southampton by Aurigny and the Alderney-Guernsey operated by Blueislands and Aurigny.
So what can be going on with taking a D228 into and out of Alderney?????:ok:

[xtypeman]

Your post on Llydd Air might be your answer........ Would look good in yellow Joey II

[GLOworm]

Anyone know why there were 3 Manx2 types lined up at Gloucester last Friday? (2 Dorniers and a Metroliner)

Charter? Tech?

[globetrotter79]

GBALU53 - ref Manx2 turning up with the 228 in ACI

I wonder whether there is any link at all between this and Aurigny?

The trislanders won't last forever, so it would be no great surprise to anyone that Aurigny would be interested in looking at performance of an alternative sub-20 seater in the islands.
I do also wonder whether there would be reasonable argument to suggest that, as (due States of Guernsey ownership) Aurigny's main raison d'etre is to protect service on the GCI-LGW after which, arguably, it is to encourage tourist traffic to Guernsey, then its core business clearly is now the ATR72 operation. As such, and in face of competition with Blue Islands, might it be a reasonable conclusion that they might consider offloading the inter-island operation to another player with a low cost operation and the right sort of equipment available to take it forward on a profitable basis?

[Flight International]

Or could it be that the Chairman of Manx2 happens to live on Alderney ? :)

[xtypeman]

Aurigny due to politics will not drop Alderney. The airline is in fact the flag carrier of Alderney Aurigny is the norman name for Alderney. Also after LGW the ACI-SOU is GRs best performing route. The operator of the Manx2 Do228 has also been seen in GCI talking to GR.

[MUFC_fan]

Any reason why a Manx2 flight is coming in from Prestwick today? Regular charter or one-off?

[Tonyq]

I asked the same question a few weeks ago and someone said that it is a regular charter, but no idea of the background. Seems to operate more than once a week.

[Thaimike]

As you are probably aware the Blue Islands service to the channel Isles has pulled out of BOH, however there is a bit of a rumour going around that Manx 2 may step in and provide some sort of schedule. Anyone have any news on this happening.http://static.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon5.gif

[xtypeman]

An old rumor going about. It was based on the fact that the 228 was down in Alderney. However it was not there on-behalf of Manx2 Blue Islands but being evaluated by Aurigny. Also the operators of the 228 have been seen in GCI again talking to Aurigny.

[IOMspotter]

Blackpool International - News - UK and European destinations with both charter and scheduled flights. (http://www.blackpoolinternational.com/about-us/news.php)


Next news FlyBe pulling off BLK and chopping BHD.:eek:

[fredtheanorak]

yessir, looks like little old Manxy2 kicked some butt.:} One up to the little guys:ok: Press Office :: Loganair To Withdraw Services From Blackpool - Loganair (http://www.loganair.co.uk/loganair/press-office/62/loganair-to-withdraw-services-from-blackpool)

[MUFC_fan]

Could anybody explain to me the full extent of what Manx2 is? I know they are what is known as a 'glorified ticket office' but do they have to register with the CAA? What else do they have to do?

Thanks

[j41cac]

Van Air in trouble with pilots of the Lets not being paid. Looks like Manxy2 will have to draft in some more Dorniers.

[fredtheanorak]

Its given on there website. They are a ticket provider for AOC holders operatng aircraft less than 5tonnes. Jetstream Express operated BLK-BHD and a brief BLK SOU under the same CAA exemption a couple of years ago.



Terms and conditions

General
Manx2 Ltd. is providing your tickets for this flight booking. We proudly claim to offer great service at competitive prices, and we are constantly looking at ways in which we can improve our service. On behalf of Manx2, the operator of your flights between the Isle of Man and Blackpool and Belfast City is usually VanAir Europe AS. FLM Aviation normally operates the services between the Isle of Man and Belfast International, Gloucester (M5) and Jersey

[MUFC_fan]

So basically I could fill in a form tomorrow, form an Ltd, contact FLM and ask for a Dornier, contact BLK, tell them I'm flying a plane to London and back twice a day with passengers and we will need passenger services. Set up a website and bobs your uncle?:}

Seriously though...is that the case? Is it really as simple as that?:confused:

[xtypeman]

Only if you are outside the UK(EU) if you are on the mainland you will need an AOC even if you are going to contract in another aoc operator. Try the other and you will fall foul of CAA Kingsway. The CAA do not like quasi airlines in any shape or form as it goes against regulations.

[MUFC_fan]

Thanks xtypeman,

So if I opened an office in say, IOM, and flew the aircraft BLK-LON I would be fine?:}

Mite give it a go for a week!:ok::\

[skiptoit]

There is no restriction on it in the mainland either, as long as you issue the (e)ticket at the point of sale.

[TwinAisle]

Just to clarify - the LIFTING carrier needs an AOC, not the ticketing carrier. Manx2 is the latter, not the former.

TA

[xtypeman]

Thanks TA. Skiptoit you can act as an agent for an airline but you can not sell the tickets under you own name unless you have an ATOL. On the mainland you need either an AOC or an ATOL both v v costly to get.

[MUFC_fan]

I thought that you need neither?

An ATOL isn't needed as long as the tickets are sent within 24 hours of payment plus you wouldn't need your own AOC if you were wet leasing.

[xtypeman]

Sorry MUFC last minute deals eg in last 24hrs are your bucket shops you could not fill an aircraft on a schedule. Trust me I and my colleagues have spoken at lenght with Kingsway on this subject and its simple AOC or ATOL nothing less. Manx2 and Euromanx are/where agents, not airlines, based in the IOM so outside of the EU.

[bonatti]

Manx2 and Euromanx are/where agents, not airlines, based in the IOM so outside of the EU.

If thats the case,then who's aircraft do they use, and are they regulated by the CAA?

[Island Jockey]

When Euromanx started Operations with the RJ / Dornier / Dash 8s they had their own Austrian AOC. This AOC was world wide unrestricted. To operate outside the EU - IOM to UK and UK to IOM they needed UK DOT Route Licences which are renewed on an annual basis.

[MUFC_fan]

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Is Snowjet a similar set up to Manx2? They charter a/c and sell seats on the plane. Apparently on here they say that this is only possible for UK companies NOT on the mainland (IOM, JER etc.) yet this company is based in Sussex.

Is this correct? Thanks.

[virginblue]

Snowjet is a sister company of Titan Airways. Titan has just bought Snowjet's parent Satellite Travel Group. Snowjet is more or less a direct sales channel for Titan (although Snowjet also buys seats from Thomsonfly).

[MUFC_fan]

Thanks, that clears it up a bit!

[virginblue]

With Manx2 now having added NCL, do you guys see any further potential for new routes for them (other than DUB if Aer Arann should axe that route?)

Their longest route is 180mi, and I guess anything longer than 200mi is a bit tricky in the LET or the Dornier comfort-wise. Looking at a map, not much left within that perimeter that is "thin" enough on the one hand in order to not attract the big boys like Flybe and not too small to fill a 19seater.

In the past, there have been flights from IOM to PIK, but as long as Flybe serves GLA and offers reasonably priced tickets, I see little chance for that. MME too small a market, I guess. DSA too close to LBA, BRS/CWL too close to GLO. So that is pretty much it, isn't it?

[MUFC_fan]

With Manx2 now having added NCL, do you guys see any further potential for new routes for them (other than DUB if Aer Arann should axe that route?)

1. Why would Aer Arann axe the route?
2. What makes you say Manx2 would take over the route?

Some viable routes:

Prestwick
Carlisle
Doncaster
Oxford
Cork

[virginblue]

I am not saying they will, but I don't think IOM-DUB is a key route in their network. If the PSO routes come under threat (see the current discussion), the ATR42s would probably go anyway. No need to keep one just for IOM (or are they using an ATR72 on the route ? I always thought DUB-IOM was more 19seater market than a 70seater market).

Of all the places you have mentioned, I would be very surprised if places like Carlisle or Oxford would get their first commercial route with a service to IOM. GLO serves BRS and CWL and to some extent JER, but Carlisle? Oxford - as Grater London? Hmmm. Doncaster would eat into the LBA catchment area. Prestwick - probably not viable as long as the fares to GLA are at an acceptable level. ORK sounds interesting - would there be a market?

[EI-BUD]

ORK sounds interesting - would there be a market? Today 17:34
Manx Airlines did IOM ORK in the early 90s with J41/SH6 one a 2 weekly schedule i think it did well when it flew in the summer months.

I think that it was only for 2 seasons.

[MUFC_fan]

Dublin is served twice daily from IOM with a DUB based ATR42 machine. The LCY service is IOM based with an ATR72.

I was not aware the IOM-DUB was PSO funded - who pays for it?:confused:

[virginblue]

IOM-DUB is not a PSO, but the Irish domestic PSOs are under threat for which, afaik, the ATR42s are mainly used.

[airhumberside]

RE do have CWL/BLK/INV as well as IOM as non-PSO DUB routes which I think are operated with DUB based aircraft, so if the PSO goes away would they drop those routes as well? They could probably keep 1 DUB based ATR busy which would secure the future of the DUB-IOM route provided it is performing well financially

[MUFC_fan]

If the non-PSO routes are sustainable now then what difference should the PSO routes make? Other than maybe some scheduled time changes?:confused:

[airhumberside]

PSO and non-PSO routes are currently interworked, but as you say schedule changes can get around that. The main difference if PSO routes go away is the loss of economies of scale. Costs per aircraft will probably go up at the DUB base compared to what they are now since the nuymber of based aircraft there would probably be reduced

[MUFC_fan]

Is DUB not Aer Arann's main base and HQ? Without DUB they wouldn't really have a large operation would they?

A few aircraft based here and there with a few in Cork and that would be about it!

[MUFC_fan]

Manx2 website says they are only offering a limited service on the route until after the New Year period. Anyone know why?

[virginblue]

AFAIK, the main reason why RE have kept the ATR42s is because it is somewhat tricky to get the ATR72 into places like Sligo or Donegal (plus there is probably no demand for a 70 seater anyway). Aer Arann would need to sort out if it is worth keeping just one ATR42 for markets such as INV, BLK, CWL or IOM is sensible or not.

I think the main issue is whether or not Aer Arann would keep the ATR42 if they should lose the PSO - and if not, whether or not IOM could sustain an ATR72. The route has 3.500 pax/month, which would give a decent 80% load on a daily ATR72, but only 40% or so with a double-daily flight. Question therefore is if the market does need a day return option or not. If so, anything larger than an ATR42 might be a problem and a Manx2.com 4x daily 19seater service the better solution.


A few aircraft based here and there with a few in Cork and that would be about it!

Their CEO said a couple of months ago that RE is interested in getting ACMi work overseas in order to get a bit less dependent on their scheduled services across the Irish sea.

[jijpc]

MUFC
M2 are probably offering a limited service as a result of Eastern's load factors and because they have to fit the flights into existing schedules without additional aircraft.

[Jamesair]

I would suggest a) using whatever spare a/c capacity they have available within the existing fleet and :-
b) Eastern aimed at the business market with high fares and Manx 2 need to test market reaction to a different type of service.

I feel sure that they will very quickly be able to read the market and all being well, be able to offer a permanent service with increased frequencies.

The CAA stats for August (partially), Sept and Oct will make interesting reading. The route currently carries between 450 and 550 pax monthly.

[ALLMCC]

Has anyone noticed the new timetable format? I have looked at it in detail and it really is a complete mess particularly the Belfast flights! For a start it doesn't show which flights operate to BFS and which ones to BHD. In addition, the dates of operation are totally confusing.

BTW, I did e-mail the airline twice for clarification but alas got no response from them which is a pity as the website is otherwise well laid out and user friendly.

[liffy2A]

Virginblue you are right about the Atr 72 operation into short runways.they do like having the atr42's for them. But there is no discussion on having a 42 or a 72 on different routes, Thats the beauty of the 72, the overheads are close to the same. All crew's are rated on both aircraft. When the demand on a route is high they can put a 72 on it or when its quiet just a 42. All RE routes are the same. Thats why you see the likes of DUB BLK having a 42 during the week and a 72 at the weekends. If the demand is there they can put a 72 on it. They have options for 4 more 72 500's with ATR. Reasons I am sure they have not taken them is good leases on 42's that they have had a long time and also the lack of demand on the PSO routes for bigger aircraft. Im not totally sure is it still but RE's biggest base is Galway with Dublin second with one less aircraft. ORK has only 2 and WAT IOM having one each.

[Legal Beagle]

Are the NHS IOM - CEG flights still running?

[Tonyq]

No, they finished in early July

[ConstantFlyer]

Any news on how the new IOM-NCL route is doing?

[Kev 1]

As far as I am aware, the route is out-performing all expectations, and as a result they will go double daily (Fridays only) from end of this month.

Looking at the schedules for March onwards, they are currently offering 10 flights per week for all of Summer 2010; Once Daily on Tues, Thurs, Sat & Sun and Twice Daily Mon, Wed & Fri.

Think the latest press release stated the load factor was at around 60-70% for most flights up to start of October (12-13 pax per sector).

[MUFC_fan]

Eastern proved there was a demand and with lower fares and fewer seats to flog - Manx2 are on to a winner!

[manxramper]

It's not rocket science-boat costs £200+ with car then a 2.5 hr drive to N.E. you can get flight and book hire car for less, why did Ricky Lake not think of this ???

[FS01]

It would seem Manx2 are much more shrewd operators now than Eastern! The route works but not with the Eastern business model. Simples

[commit aviation]

Have the Spanish Metros finished operating for Manx2?

Haven't seen them on the mayfly for a few days.

[FS01]

Yes it seems they have gone back to Spain for the winter I belive they have a lot of charter work back there.

[IOMspotter]

Manx2 had a NCL day return on SAT. Was this a one off or will it be a regular feature.:confused: There were lots of black and white shirts both ways:}

[FS01]

Seems to be aimed at people wanting to go to NCL for shopping and football.... again another excellent idea by the little uns :D

[MUFC_fan]

Nice little video on the Manx2 homepage!

I'm guessing they are doing very well financially at the moment! They just keep growing!

[RooCat]

Can't Manx2 see the potential market they have open to themselves. Bournemouth, Liverpool, Glasgow I or Prestwick to name but a few!

Wouldn`t these routes be perfect for their 19-seaters at 3x weekly or 1-2x daily??:bored::hmm:

[Cloud1]

And why would Manx2 want to go head to head with the big boys?

GLA - operated already by Loganair
LPL - operated already by Flybe

They would be much better going for niche routes or to airports which have been served in the past but dropped, or only operate seasonally, because of demand. SOU would be better placed than BOH I expect.

[EI-BUD]

Manx2 have been operating a night stop at BFS since the start of the winter schedule, departing BFS at 0720. I would have thought that if they were going after the early monday departure for the business traveller they would have used BHD instread as it being in the city etc.

However, with the small number of seats on say a LET410 surely the costs of doing a night stop must be prohibitive, crew stayover etc. Also not sure what the loads would be like on a Monday morning early departure and hence the yield???

Does anyone know how the loads have been on this early departure?
Surprises me that Manx2 wouldnt do say a 0645 departure from IOM to arrive BFS say 0715 and then depart at 0735 etc.

Any thoughts on same?

EI-BUD

[MUFC_fan]

The aircraft are ACMI so I assume the cost of the crew positioned in IOM will be similar to BFS.

Tomorrow's flight is full according to their website...

[virginblue]

I am wondering to what extent passengers are using Manx2 to make connections at places like LBA, BHD and EMA? Given that one cannot book through, there is always the risk of being stranded if you do not allow a couple of hours for the connection - unless Manx2 is known to operate like a clockwork and has a brilliant on-time performance.


Anopther question - as per Jethros, Manx2 now has 7 aircraft on strength, 3 D28s, 3 L410 and 1 J31. Seems to be a bit excessive when looking at their schedule - so how many aircraft do they keep busy on a daily basis?

[MUFC_fan]

I am wondering to what extent passengers are using Manx2 to make connections at places like LBA, BHD and EMA? Given that one cannot book through, there is always the risk of being stranded if you do not allow a couple of hours for the connection


I feel that passengers will use BE to MAN and LGW more often than those mentioned above.


unless Manx2 is known to operate like a clockwork and has a brilliant on-time performance.


They have an excellent on time record, however, if they have a delayed flight, it is usually VERY delayed.


Anopther question - as per Jethros, Manx2 now has 7 aircraft on strength, 3 D28s, 3 L410 and 1 J31. Seems to be a bit excessive when looking at their schedule - so how many aircraft do they keep busy on a daily basis?


They use the planes on ACMI contracts meaning they only pay when the planes are in the air - it's the AOC holders that keep their planes on the island. Not really worth flying them back to Germany/Spain/etc. if they are not being used for a couple of days when they could just be parked up at IOM. That is how I understand it anyway.

[ALLMCC]

Noticed the website has had a revamp and is more user friendly than before. Pity they didn't take the opportunity to make the timetables a bit clearer, they're still very confusing.

Also, they still refer to the Metroliners on their list of aircraft but these left some months ago. Are they to return from Spain at the end of the month?

[IOMspotter]

I am wondering to what extent passengers are using Manx2 to make connections at places like LBA, BHD and EMA? Given that one cannot book through, there is always the risk of being stranded if you do not allow a couple of hours for the connection - unless Manx2 is known to operate like a clockwork and has a brilliant on-time performance.


Manx2 have got a Rescue Fee policy like EZY. If you miss a connection they book you onto next available for a flat 30 quid:ok:

[virginblue]

That is rebooking on the next Manx2 flight (= covers only flights inbound to the IOM), isn't it?

[BAladdy]

Does anyone know what route the recently added J31 is being used for?

[SWBKCB]

For starters, it does the Friday evening and Saturday morning IOM-NCL-IOM

[Dash-7 lover]

There's a PSO Cardiff - Anglesey route up for grabs ex Highland. Might be a good one for them? Good pax loads on it too.

[Flightrider]

If my memory serves me rightly, the PSO contracts have a requirement that the bidder holds an AOC and an operating licence and this certainly used to be basic qualifying criteria before you could submit a bid. As M2 uses other companies' AOCs and doesn't hold any form of licence itself, it may well be the case that it couldn't actually bid for a PSO as it wouldn't be able to meet the requirements of it. Rules might have changed since then, but I'm pretty sure that this would not be helpful to their efforts.

[GLOworm]

Galway - Cork (double daily)??

[Chitty]

(IOM to HUY 2 daily) and (IOM to VLY to CWL 1 daily) and (IOM to MME to LCY 2 daily) could be good new routes for manx2

[MUFC_fan]

Erm...these will be routes AWAY from the IOM...

[OMGitsDAVE]

So Durham Tees Valley gain a flight? Things are looking up a bit now!

[Chitty]

yer these flights would be away from the isle of man manx2 are doing flight away from the isle of man flight like iom to mee to lcy would be the same as iom the glo to jer

[OMGitsDAVE]

So in effect, MME receives flights from IOM & LCY? Or what?

[Chitty]

no manx2 are thinking off Expanding to other airports outside the isle of man and i was thiking of routes manx2 might want to do

[IOMspotter]

IOM Amsterdam in a metro - now that would work. 2x daily.

[GLOworm]

Strange as it sounds I believe it IS Galway - Cork

[Chitty]

manx2 are doing a new route from cork to galway go to New Route Launched Between Galway and Cork! on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/manx2/4518307636/) for the prove

[GLOworm]

I thank you! From the 2nd July

[Johnny455]

is it true where is the information and who many times weekly will it operate?

No sign of in anywhere else?