FAA into Aussie

[Ianlovut]

Hi,

What conversions are necessary for an FAA FI/I MEI to become elligible to instruct in Oz?

How much time would it take? What about costs?

Thanks....:ok:

[tail wheel]

Licence conversion (http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/overbr.htm).

[erik07]

hi, i'm looking at having the same question answered. I'm interested in heading to the states to get my CPL/ME/IR/CFI ratings, and would like to know how hard/expensive the conversion to CASA is. i gave CASA licensing a call today, and they said neither an Instrument nor Instructor rating was convertible. apparently, you have to complete an entire Command Instrument course at an australian FTO in order to have it recognized. the lady on the phone also said that although i might receive some exemptions for an FAA instructor rating, i'd still need to get a new rating for CASA.

can anyone correct or confirm any of this? it seems ridiculous that an FAA IR should be worth zilch here in OZ....:ugh:

cheers,
erik

[Lasiorhinus]

Rather than complete the full course (which will be torturous for an experienced IFR pilot to have to "learn" how to read the NDB etc), youll be able to get an Australian instrument rating simply by passing the IREX, then completing a flight test.
I assume you have enough instrument hours in your logbook to do this.

[erik07]

i don't...not yet...but training in america is so cheap atm that the piss weak dollar should really be taken advantage of. hence my plan to head to the states for the training... i mean seriously... where in australia can you get a PPL, CPL, ME, IR, and FI with 200 hours multi-engine time for US$45,000 (~AU$50,000)?! This (http://www.aribenaviator.com/proCourse.html) is the course i'm talking about...

as long as I dont end up having to repeat everything i do once i get back to australia, then it should definitely be worth the trip o/s.

[relac168]

Hi, I have just gotten my FAA ATPL and would like to check anybody has knowledge or info regarding conversion to CASA? I have read the CASA regulations, seems like one has to clear the IR grd exam follow by flight test with CASA examiner. Thanks

[helopat]

Not sure where you read that. As far as I am aware, the FAA ATPL doesn't count for much here in Australia.

In order to get your Aus ATPL, you'll need to have your CASA CPL, you'll still have to do ALL the ATPL exams here, and, once they're completed, you'll get the exam credit. Once you meet the hours/experience requirements, you'll get the ATPL. No flight test required that I'm aware of (unless thats changed recently).

Hope this helps.

HP

[pcx]

CAR 1988 Reg 5.165 (2) sets out the requirements.

[Tinstaafl]

Not correct, helopat. Converting an FAA ATPL to Oz CASA is no different to any other ICAO ATPL. CASA's website lists general & specific requirements for conversions of licences, ratings & endorsements/type ratings.

In general for licence conversions the applicant needs to sit an air law exam for that licene level and a licence issue flight test. There is no requirement to sit all of that licence level's exams. The CIR conversion requires sitting IREX and a flight test. The tests don't necessarily have to be with a CASA FOI. In the case of an ATPL conversion there's an issue w.r.t. having to hold a CPL & CIR to apply for an ATPL leading to going through a CPL & IR conversion first. *However* CASAs website also specifies in the case of a direct ATPL conversion that the applicant contact them first.

Never affected me because I went Oz ATPL to FAA & UK ATPLs but I would hazard a guess that they have some administrative procedure to reduce or streamline the above rigamarole.

[ad-astra]

For those considering the path to a Australian ATPL via an FAA ATP it may be worth considering where you are eventually taking that shinny new ATPL.

Previously some of the Aussie airlines (VB) have not accepted Australian licences that were gained via the FAA route.

Things may have changed but it would be wise to check prior to spending all those George Washington's if an Australian airline is your destination.

Good luck.