Does lime jelly come under the 100ml restriction

[PAPI-74]

If as Aircrew, I wanted Lime or indeed Orange jelly for my pudding, does it fall under the foolish 100ml restriction.

Why not make it 150ml, so I could at least take through a few days worth of shaving cream and hair gel?

Can I take a crash axe through security, it being a tool of the trade?

What about a spotted dick and custard?:(

[JB007]

Come on then...who's upset you? Spill the beans!:rolleyes:

[Lauderdale]

These restrictions really are madness - and the way they are implemented totally OTT.

Once you are airside how easy would it be to pick something up from an A/C on stand '169' that came in from OAKB the day before and place it neatly on a SKD carrier to AGP on stand '36'...... (ex dispatcher here! ...).

You can still buy all the Congac you like from the Duty free bars and take it into the toilet with a cigarette lighter.......

Catering trucks...... they drive all happily sealed up airside....anyone really know whats in the middle of those double carts or cannisters that were loaded out in the industrial estates?

The list goes on - the issue is the way that aircrew/dispatch/loaders etc are treated like potential terrorists. Dont forget, our merry friends at the BAA; 'we' pay your salaries! Sometimes a little courtesy would go a long way.

But have a look in those wonderful BAA airside shops where you buy 100ml bottles of shaving lotion etc......or water at extortionate (how you spell that again? lol) prices.

Its a con boys and girls....... a con.................

Ok - I feel better now I have aired all that! :)

[Rampi]

Just one question here.
Is it really like that in the UK: You cant take more than 100ml of liquid airside as an employee or active aircrew?
That would mean, you could not even take your water or food, or whatever...
Crazy if true.

BRGDS

Jan from DUS

[Lauderdale]

Its absolutely true I am afraid. A friend of mine, she is CC, had a tub of yoghurt taking away from her which she wanted to eat the on the flight (she was operating) for her breakfast.....guess what? They took it away from her at security......

Even those little coke cans that they serve on flights, gels, shampoos everything mate. Another mate of mate bought Duty Free spirits on a flight the other day (perfectly legal off course) - then had to change aircraft in LGW to go on a domestic, bags checked all the way through so guess what happened to his Duty Free...........

I find it amazing how we allow to be treated this way every day of our lives............

And it doesnt make the slightest amount of difference when it comes to making our flights any safer......

Soz all - but this does really get my back up! :mad:

[Thai Pom]

Lauderdale,

Thanks for the post. I am flying into LHR on Saturday and then onto MME. I am not leaving my Duty Free in LHR for them to drink!!

[GRIZZLER]

here are a two silly ones that have happend at stn.....the man that brings pepsi and tango cans airside to fill up vending machines...on his lorry he must have had thousands on cans....but security took the one he was about to drink, which he had in his cab...

also the driver that turned up with 25.000ltrs of de ice fluid for an airside top up.....he he got airside with the 25.000ltrs ,but had a case of beer removed from his cab which he had got in france on the way over here.

and most days as i am going through security with my 2X 100ml bottles of milk....they say...is this medicine....and i say..why! do i look ill. but i have been told you can take as much fluid through as you want,as long as it is in 100ml bottles...you can buy these at boots and the like for about 40 pence each....or just give up milk.

[PAPI-74]

Just got back from a few days away.
If I go through the crew gate of an airport in NI, I have to be escorted, but if at the same airport I go through the pax security point, I can walk anywhere I choose. How does this work?


In France, I can go into the terminal (landside) and purchase a nice cup of coffee, bring it through security, and enjoy it on the aircraft while setting up the flight deck. It seems only to be in the UK that this rule of 100ml applies. I have heard that towards the end of the year it will relax though.
But who wants to check a bag in just because a shaving gel is a normal size. What is the difference between that and going through the 'pain in the arse' routing of transfering it into smaller bottles, and still having the same amount of fluid in your bag.
If it made sence, I would happily comply, but Christ! give us a break.......:ugh:

[Low life]

These restrictions really are madness
I thought these restrictions were stupid, then I saw a live demo of what 30ml of high explosive, mixed from two "over the counter", chemicals could do to an aircraft.
Changed my mind.

[Lauderdale]

.......... and 40% Alcohol and a lighter in combination with the chemicals in the toilets isnt?....... a Fire Axe isnt a risk?........the fact that 9 out 10 Airbuses have the same door entry code isnt?......BCF's that can happily be discharged are not?......the fact that only God knows what arrives through the catering trucks isnt? (you all remember that journo right at EGKK that got onto an aircraft via a double cart in a catering truck!)....

Mate - the best line of defense is the people in the front line (Aircrew especially them as at the end of the day they are the ones working at FL390), Loaders, Dispatchers etc etc

This is not saying...." ah well, lets get rid of all security then , whats the point...." No, quite the opposite, this is about common sense, a bit of respect for the people working the front line (I never used to see BAA N*Z*'s on my A/C when i used to fly!); you f**k off the people in the front line you lose those people and therefore your most valuable asset.

You would think that was logical and self explanatory! :ugh:

Ok, rant over......as you were..........

[GRIZZLER]

please dont take this the wrong way.......yes i know it has been said before...but this is not a racial thing.......i am white. i was born 2 miles from stn airport...i have worked on the airport since the late sixtys...

to get onto the airport to work i have to have a criminal record check and show my pass to airport security staff as do we all....but then to get near certain airlines to carry out my work...i have to be checked again and again.....by more airline security staff ,most of which are not english...and can just about speak english......to me they look like the terrorists....i get fed up of being treated like a criminal and a second class citizen in my own country by interlopers.

make it easy......employ security people that dont look like the ones we should all be looking out for.......the end.:suspect:

[Geezers of Nazareth]

I have also had yoghurts taken from me at the security posts at Heathrow, and so have many of my colleagues. Also, they won't let us bring in a tin of beans (more than 100ml), but if we empty the tin of beans into a tupperware container, then we can bring that in!

If I go into M&S and buy some food, say a beef casserole, I can bring that in; but it contains gravy! How do they intend to seperate the gravy from the rest of the meal. They take yoghurts from me, but not trifles and creme caramels! :ugh:

Over a period of a few days last summer, I took in a bottle of water. Every day the bottle got larger and larger, and eventually they stopped me. The following day I froze the water in the bottle, and when challenged at the check point I asked why. The said that I was carry liquids. So I challenged them, and asked for the supervisor to be called. After a slight 'discussion', I took my '1 litre bottle of ice' into work.
Having 'won' that one, I stopped doing it! :)

About 18 months ago, soon after they started getting silly, if they wanted to stop me taking anything through, I just left my entire bag with them! It's contains my wallet, my phone, my car keys, all my food and drink, my organiser, my house keys, my laptop (sometimes). It was always waiting for me on my return :hmm:

[boredcounter]

'Mate - the best line of defense is the people in the front line (Aircrew especially them as at the end of the day they are the ones working at FL390), Loaders, Dispatchers etc etc'

Really....................

My thoughts would err to paying what the job is worth before people who have read your ideas get airside!

Your list is very impressive, posted on an open domain but leaves out much simpler IED's. I for one, would not dream of even hinting at what they are!

Please delete your stupid posts, for that is what they are.



Regards

Bored.


Edit: Delete stupid post to plural!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lauderdale]

Boredcounter -

It is a shame to read that you have no faith in the guys airside playing their part in stopping events from taking place (in my opinion the most important one!) - I for one respect my colleagues.

Do you really think that people who want to do damage to our society really cant come up with these ideas themselves? As much as I destest the low life scum for what they are please do not fool yourself in thinking that they need my posts to come up with plans to kill as many of us as they can.

There is no one in the Tora Bora mountain range who says "....hey Osama!, Lauderdale has just posted something on PPRUNE! Wahoo! Now we never thought of that ourselves would we!? ..." Get real mate.... :ugh:

This post is about pointing out the stupidity of the regulations, for example 100ml see through containers are the restrictions right? Why a 100ml...? Why not 90 or 110? I take it that the moment we go into the >100ml range we can gather dangerous amounts of liquids? Now remind me....how many of that murdering scum were on each on the 911 flights? Four I believe, so hey 4 x 100ml = 400ml! (and say two liquids each, thats 800ml!) Mum with baby can not take some yoghurt through security, but we can have four seperate people (I use that term loosly) brining on 800ml of danferous liquids quite nicely........

Get my point? :D

This whole exercise is money driven by the BAA (how much is a bottle of water airside again............?).

And pal, please dont fool yourself or others that my posts are a danger to the National security of the UK. After 15+ yrs airside (most of them above FL370) I know what stops these events happening, its the people in the front line, the gate staff, the cabin crew, the head loader etc, all these guys who can spot something on the day, so you might agree with us being treated with no respect whatsoever (just read the Fligh Crew forums, zillions of examples there!) but I think they are just making the situation worse.

You want to invest in security? Have look at EBBR, now tell me where and when the pax get their bag search there? Just a little example.....

And, oh, I am not going to delete my posts if that's ok with you, but I respect you still the same (shame that some people have a problem with the execution of that word). :}

Enuf said, ....... 3000' foot winds at LHR again....more arrival delays....damn....as you were...

[Tigger4Me]

I was very impressed with the security checks at STN on Monday evening but can someone tell me since when has it been their responsibility to weigh hand baggage and why they are involved? This caused unnecessary delays while people were told to repack their bags to get them below max permitted weight. Although the staff there did their best to move these people out of the way there was nowhere suitable for them to go whilst they repacked and this caused others to be held up.

[Thinkinggrenades]

we have a security point where most of the people (dispatchers/ramp/loaders) working airside may take certain things through ..milk, bottles of coke and such, but flight crew are denied this -
we have the crew for a frieghter that comes in every day and they are denied liquids even thought they have a crash axe 2 foot away from them.

i always thought restricting flight crew was totally pointless as all they need to do to crash/kill people would be to push the little stick forward.
:ok: well done that man!

whoever thought this up needs to shake hands with a prop.

Geezers of Nazareth - i have to try your idea of the frozen water i would love to see them explain that one.

and Lauderdale - couldn't agree more, the check-in/dispatchers/ramp/cabin guys are the people who would spot something since they are in the position to notice something odd, and i have done in the past.

[Dropline]

We tried freezing bottles of milk, coke etc and weren't allowed to bring them through, on the basis they could "become liquid"!!!

You could put up with the rules if they made sense, but they don't! I cannot bring a sealed pint of milk bought from the landside Boots through security. I can however buy a pint of milk (presumably from the same delivery) from the airside branch of Boots!!!

I can also bring any old milk from home through security as long as it is in 100ml containers in a plastic bag! What is more of a risk - a sealed pint from a known airport supplier or some unsealed 100ml bottles of white liquid that don't get tested and could contain anything?

Oh and jelly.... that's definitely NOT allowed! Any flavour.

The other annoying thing is that can't buy milk airside at night as all the shops close.... try doing a nightshift with no tea or coffee to keep you going!!!

[boredcounter]

Yes I have absolute faith in all landside security, as I do in those aloft, not only to feed and water me but to keep me safe if it goes Pete tonge, or not.

I have full faith in the Fire service to attend and put my house out, the NHS to send a Paramedic if I call a heart attack through, almost trust the police to attend if I dial 999.

I also put faith in the Goverment agencies to advise. The rules set are for a reason. May be deemed 'silly'.

My beef, is why must you give examples in every post?

You could make your point, without examples.


Bored

[PAPI-74]

Well done guys.
I think that you all share my view or lets just say daily frustrations.

It is a downer about the jelly though.

Keep the British sick sense of humour going with this 100ml joke.

Grizzler: I feel the same way about the security staff. Being asked to take off my belt etc.. by a bearded wierdie doesn't sit well in my stomach either.

Keep the venting coming!!!!:ok:

[Lauderdale]

Boredcounter,

Further to your comments reference my postings, have a look at the link below which was posted today at the SkyNews website:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1302890,00.html

".............a computer disc called Encyclopaedia Jihad..........."

Still think I am a security threat? Come on............

For those of you with postings reference certain security staff, the pic in that article might be of interest to you................

AV WC P059, niceeeeeeeeeee!

[PAPI-74]

He looks like the guy that hands out passes at London City.

[wozzel]

you may not be able to go air side with milk pop or gravy but turn sideways when going through a VP and it does not register .this is only a rumour and is not a recommended way to get your well earnd lunch through to airside

[loadcontrol2majortom]

My daily argument with security is that surely something measured in 'ml' is a liquid, but many supposed liquids are measured in 'mg' Surely something measured in mg could be classed as a solid?!?!

The response given by these obvious mathematical genius's is '1ml = 1mg'

However, is this really the case when a gramme is a measure of mass and a litre a measure of volume!! Do they convert that easilly???

Well following a little internet browsing the following breif summary was found:

'It depends on the substance. Every substance will have a different weight to volume conversion factor. If you know the density, or specific gravity, you can'

Now surely, G4 security are not issued conversion tables showing the 'density or specific gravity' of your average tapioca pudding. So I am always somewhat bemused as to how they can generalize anything 'kind of runny looking' (their words not mine) as a banned liquid.

I know there is a lot more to life than this but it infuriates me as to how they can ban my yoghurt when they will quite happily walk landside to airside with their cup of tea whilst scanning my belongings!!!:confused:

[PAPI-74]

I managed to hide a pot of yog. inside my flight bag next to my headset yesterday.
I am going for two tomorrow......
Now what about a smoothie......that is all fruit and it says so on the pot?:8