Situation In Lagos [Archive]

surely not

17th Jan 2008, 05:22

yea gooooooooooooooooooo hotmj and revnet!!!!! :) :ok: :D

I have tried three times to provide a non abusive answer to the blinkered, opinionated and inaccurate post of CJ750, but each time I have had to delete it as it would probably have earned me a ban!!!

CJ750 I can vouch for what Revnet says re it isn't compulsory to 'dash'. I worked in Nigeria for 17 months from early 2005 and never had to 'dash' anyone to get things done, and my job was about getting things done. If you go to a place expecting to offer bribes you probably end up giving them, but I doubt it will have been necessary.

Nor was I attacked by anyone, ripped off by anyone, or threatened by anyone. Sure I was careful where I went (even if security didn't think so :}) but no more than I would be in parts of London, Manchester, Atlanta, L.A. or any other City in the world.

Suggest your own attitude might be why people don't want to do things for you. Your posts on here portray you as a self-opinionated bigot. If that isn't an accurate portrayal in your opinion, or that of your mum, then you need to look at how you inter react with folks.

AVSEC

17th Jan 2008, 05:37

Come on people.we can educate in a civil manner.No need to use unacceptable language.

CJ750

17th Jan 2008, 05:49

Revnet thanks for your input.

At least you did not go as low as ndb17 and hotmj43 and surelynot.

Guys all i asked for was current information on Lagos. I have travelled extensively all over Africa and live in Africa so if my pax are worried about their destination then i am entitled to ask for info from wherever i can get it from especially if situations change in cities and countries from day to day.

I do not appreciate the tone of the replies from the above 3 replies and have to ask the moderators if this kind of abuse is allowed.

hotmj43

17th Jan 2008, 05:52

Avsec,
the chap wants information that will supposedly help,him operate into Nigeria,and he feels he should be abusive to get the information.
He claims he has operated into Nigeria before,i suggest he do what he did before,and F:mad: F.
CJ750 SHOULD LEARN TO BE CIVIL,or is it because he is coming south !!!!
It is not surprising he keeps getting ripped off

surely not

17th Jan 2008, 06:00

CJ750 you are being amusing aren't you? Go on, please confirm you are having a bit of fun....................

Guys all i asked for was current information on Lagos. I have travelled extensively all over Africa and live in Africa so if my pax are worried about their destination then i am entitled to ask for info from wherever i can get it from especially if situations change in cities and countries from day to day.

I do not appreciate the tone of the replies from the above 3 replies and have to ask the moderators if this kind of abuse is allowed

That is major league back peddling!!!!!!

Your original post, that you don't find to be abusive or offensive............

Does anyone go to Lagos on charter in the smaller variety of executive aircraft. I am looking for info on handling, accommodation, costs and CORRUPTION, aircraft parking, clearances and all the reat of the CP that goes with flying into that hell hole.

Like I said, if you were less inflammatory in your phrasing then you would have received less inflammatory replies. Live by the sword and die by the sword matey...................

Hmmmm you can dish it out but get a bit precious when it is given back...... you don't play for the Aussie cricket team do you?? :} :)

hotmj43

17th Jan 2008, 06:00

CJ750,
Listen to your self,i replay the tape
i am looking for CORRUPTION, and all the rest of C:mad:P that goes into flying into that Hell hole...............And you think we will not find it offensive.........realign your Brain,is that how you talk to your passengers.

CJ750

17th Jan 2008, 07:11

Hotmj43 and surelynot

Not back pedalling at all.

That is my personal opinion/experience of Lagos. I have flown in there so i can talk from experience. Nov 2007. I do not ask for corruption but general aviation is always seen as a cash cow especially when you have VIP's on board.

you are entitled to your opinion just as i am about the situation in Lagos. When we stop we get charged different prices every time for the same things and a lot of people arrive at the steps with receipt books for a herd of other charges, again not every time. I do not mind paying but they should be consistent and not differ by a huge amount.

You complain about me calling Lagos a hell hole but judging by your comments on the other posting about the APPARENT murder of the expat station manager you say one must be careful in west africa. If it is so great why do you not live there anymore. See you live in the UK.

hotmj43

17th Jan 2008, 08:57

CJ750,
You still dont get it,Well given that you are in the small charter biz,i feel
real sorry for the clients you ferry around,you have demonstrated here,how ignorant you are.
Well i dont blame you,given that,industry is highly mobile right now,hence the likes of you get jobs ferrying Vips around........if only they knew.
From what i see,you will always get ripped off be it in Europe...Asia or where ever,because you are basically,as T:mad:K as to short blanks.
Safe journey........written on the Mammy wagons that ply the streets of Nigeria i saw Once,TO BE A MAN IS NOT A ONE DAY BUSINESS.:ok:

Metro man

17th Jan 2008, 09:14

Which is the best company to use for the armed escort you will need between the airport and your hotel ?

Which companies provide insurance against kidnapping ?

Which emergency medical evacuation service is good ?

This is probably the sort of information he's interested in. :E

I.R.PIRATE

17th Jan 2008, 09:16

Dont fret CJ, just more proof that De-nial is not just another African river.

They just dont like the truth.

surely not

17th Jan 2008, 09:24

Ohhh selective response to try to back up a weak position by CJ750

about the APPARENT murder of the expat station manager you say one must be careful in west africa. If it is so great why do you not live there anymore. See you live in the UK.

Yet on this very thread my post #7 states

Nor was I attacked by anyone, ripped off by anyone, or threatened by anyone. Sure I was careful where I went (even if security didn't think so ) but no more than I would be in parts of London, Manchester, Atlanta, L.A. or any other City in the world.

so clearly I recommend care wherever you travel to in this world................

I don't live there any more because my contract came to an end. If it hadn't I would happily be there still. I enjoyed the people I worked with immensely, and met many others who are also still friends that I stay in touch with. Sure the country has difficulties in its infrastructure, but slowly it is improving.

I come from the UK, have family there still, but I currently live and work elsewhere.

Regarding your points re the inconsistency in charges to be collected. From my experience I suspect that the inconsistency is down to some shifts being more efficient, professional, at collecting the monies genuinely owed. If you are being asked to sign numbered receipts with the Handling Agent, NCAA or FAAN logos on then it is likely that the charges are legitimate.

If you are handing money over without an official receipt then I would ask .....Why??

hotmj43

17th Jan 2008, 09:32

Metro Man,
it was just a matter of time before you surfaced.......Try the Nigerian Police,(NPF) MOPOL SECTION FLYING BATON:ok:

hotmj43

17th Jan 2008, 09:36

I R P,
The main River here is the River Niger !!!! it has Crocs waiting for the truth to drop in !!!! Like your bit of wisdom.

alghaita ganga

17th Jan 2008, 09:38

At least I have excuse that English is not my language. I feel sorry of the passengers for hotmj. I hope his flying skill exceeds his typing and spelling. BTW the phrase for which you search is as thick as 2 short planks!

Anyway, back to the thread. He ask of corruption in Nigeria and some peoples here are offended by him! Get real peoples:

Nigeria ranks 142nd out of 163 countries in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index for 2006. Corruption is endemic at all levels of government and society, and the president, vice president, governors, and deputy governors are constitutionally immune from civil and criminal prosecution.

Here is what Independent Advocacy Project has to say:

"Nigeria Corruption Index (NCI): The highly successful Nigeria Corruption Index was published in 2005 and 2007 with the support of the National Endowment for Democracy. NCI sought to empirically determine the degree of corruption in Nigeria and emphasize its adverse effects on democracy, development and good governance in the country. NCI 2005 and 2007 collated and analysed the responses of ordinary Nigerians on their daily encounter with corruption – for instance who they bribe, how much, and for what. In 2005, the Nigerian Police topped the league table of the most corrupt organizations with incidences of reported bribery standing at 96 per cent. Next was the Power Holding Corporation of Nigeria (formerly National Electric Power Authority, NEPA), and the Customs and Excise Department which posted 83 and 65 per cents respectively. Other corruption-ridden organizations included the Ministry of Education, while at the Immigration and Passport Office, survey respondents reported incidence rate of 63 and 56 per cents respectively. NCI 2007 also came up with a league table involving various public sector institutions in the country – the police, judiciary, education, health, public institutions providing service such as those of telecommunications, electricity, etc.
Published shortly after the elections, NCI 2007 identified the Nigerian Police Force as the most corrupt institution in the country, followed by Power Holding Company of Nigeria (PHCN), Education Ministry (particularly higher institutions and examination bodies) and the Customs and Excise Department. The Health Ministry, Justice Ministry, Nigeria Airports Authority, Federal Road Safety Corps (FRSC), Nigerian Railway Corporation and Agricultural Development Authorities are said to be the institutions least likely to collect bribe."

So it seems that Customs and Excise and Immigration which is definitely at the airport as well as police and may be encounter by CJ750 are exceptionally corrupt. Why does some of you think there is EFCC in Nigeria and many ex-politicians is now being investigated and in prison awaiting trial. This is the reality of Nigeria that too many Nigerians still don't want to admit. Luckily there are some enlighten persons which is why it ranks lower in international corruption now, but it is still shamefully high .

hotmj43

17th Jan 2008, 09:41

I R Pirate,
the Main River we have here is the River Niger.......we have crocs in it with mouths open .....waiting for bits of wisdom to drop in,like yours just did.

Metro man

17th Jan 2008, 09:52

hotmj43

I have an urgent warning for you, I have found your name on a death list belonging to the International Assinators Bureau. As you are a fellow pruner I would like to help. Using special software developed by the CIA I can remove your name without them noticing.

For saving your life I ask only a small fee, US$2500 paid via Western Union. You must act now as your name is very near the top of the list and I need some time to run the program. :E

surely not

17th Jan 2008, 10:37

Hi Alpha thingy.............

Yup there is corruption in Nigeria, and yup they are slowly trying to stop it. Most of the corruption is at a far higher level, and for greater amounts of money, than CJ as a pilot of a biz jet will encounter

Quoting statistics is all very well, but do you run your life by them? When you visit America do you automatically believe that you will become a victim of gun crime in the Cities that are at the top of that league table? When you go to Moss Side in Manchester would you expect to get caught in a gun battle between waring drug cartels on the estate? This crime exists in Countries where the police forces are well looked after and well paid, yet there are still instances of 'bent' police taking bribes.

Like all things in life we manage the risk, otherwise we wouldn't do anything ever.

You're right when you and others suggest that perspective goes out of the window whenever Nigeria is mentioned. Those who dislike the place attack hard with innuendo, preconceived views that are often gained 3rd or 4th hand, and often what they say relates back 20-30 years rather than being current and is inaccurate. This then prompts those who have the opposite view to defend vigourously because they can see that change is happening and things are improving. Not yet to a level whereby it is a favourite on the weekend break holiday brochures, but it is improving slowly.

I stand by my comments that I had a very enjoyable time during my contract there and travelled to many different parts of the country. The people I met with were great fun to be around and most were very good at their jobs. Considering the difficulties of the daily life in areas such as Oshodi and the huge numbers of people packed into Lagos I think it is a credit to those who live there that the levels of violence are not greater.

alghaita ganga

17th Jan 2008, 11:34

Well M surely not,

I was born in Africa and have lived here for all my whole life. I flew here for very many years and whenever I flew in Nigeria, often on medevac flights which always resulted in money being ask for by corrupt immigration and ATC peoples. Yes, there are some corrupt polices in Europe and USA, but it is estimated that 96% of police in Nigeria is corrupt. It is not 30 years ago these things happen to me, I was flying until just a short time ago, I still travel for my small business and when I go home is just to another country in Africa.

I would not visit Moss Side because I have heard of it and know it is not a good place. I would however be happy to visit Trafalgar Square or Times Square because I belief my chances to be mugged there are low. I have been robbed in Ikoyi, Port Harcourt, Douala, Houston, Nairobi, Kampala and Johannesburg and I have the scars to proof it - maybe I am just an unlucky guy! :{. I have been 'managing the risk' of life in Africa all my life ;). However, I am still here. I have thought of move to Europe but even though hospitals there are better the cold would just eat my old bones :sad: One day I shall be buried under a wide African sky

BALEWA

18th Jan 2008, 01:38

Okay, lets have some fun.

Lads checkout my thread Expat Pilots in Nigeria. Engineers toooooooo.

LongJohnThomas

18th Jan 2008, 04:40

alghaita ganga, Metro man, I.R.PIRATE and CJ750!!!!!!!
I see you lot have been hard at work digressing from just a simple what's happening in Lagos to corruption, Dash, etc, etc.....
You folks obviously jump at any chance to make Nigeria and Nigerians look like the scum of the earth eh?
I see that I'm quiet for a day and you lot raise your ugly heads with your completely unconfirmed, (and i mean by you personally) comments of what you perceive to be the true situation in my dear country.(Note: I have dual nationality:D)
Here's news for you all,
I'll start by educating you illiterate lot.
Yes, i do live in england for those of you who wish to go there, but i have a right to be called British based on the fruit of my fathers before me and that? You can never take away from me!
You lot have no such right in the country you continuously castigate and demean. If Nigeria bothers you SO much, i suggest you have no dealings with it or it's people and never visit it!
I take it that the so called VIPs wanting to visit Nigeria must have business there; if not, i take it they would not venture in that direction!
Nigeria remains that country where people like you can still take advantage of the locals in the name of investments, development, etc...
I have totally lost count right now of how many so called ex-pats that now work in Nigeria. Obviously,there must be something dragging you all there, primarily, greed and bottom line, MONEY!!!!!!!!!:ugh:
This is an unfortunate fact!
I hear that the response of my fellow Nigerians to the remarks of these types of losers has been taken as offensive and unacceptable?:eek:
Well, you guys are going to have to ban the 3000 Nigerian Pilots registered on here mates!!!!:ugh:
If it is allowed that the chaps described above can run their mouths without caution and not expect a come back? You all must be kidding yourselves!
You insult one, you insult all!!!!!
Yes, we do have our short-comings and we try as much as possible to curb our excesses against heavy odds. But instead of encouragement, all we get is a group of tarts rejoicing that we have not gotten it right yet? Shame eh?
I will not resort to the type of comments that will portray me as or like one of you who lacks the intelligence to convey practical evaluations without malice and total disregard for others.
All i will say is, the lot of you need to get your act together and be mindful that some of us actually know who some of you are! You cannot go to a man's country and try to shove cr*p down his throat! You WILL get a response you might not like, just like some which you have witnessed here.
It is my prayer that in future this forum is used to further encourage aviation everywhere in the world and not personal opinions of governments and politics. We as pilots seem to have lost the plot here guys and it's time we got back on track!!!!
This is an aviation site!!!!!!!!!! Not one for politics and national credit ratings or corruption ratings!!!!
If you have anything to say about corruption and stuff related to that? There are appropriate sites for you to air your views, certainly not here!
A man says he wants a sitrep on a city and ends it with hell hole???????? And thats acceptable???????:eek:
We must be still living in slavery!!!!!!!:ouch:
My take!!!!
Take it or leave it!!!!
One day monkey go go market no come back! A word is enough for a wise man!:D

Metro man

18th Jan 2008, 05:30

You may also need an armed escort during taxi to the holding point. Aircraft have been robbed by gangsters who block the taxi way and then proceed to open the hold doors and grab what they can.

Whilst the cabin doors are out of reach on larger aircraft, they are easily opened on an exec jet. :uhoh:

Flying Touareg

18th Jan 2008, 05:37

LJT i support you on this and what you wrote is commendable.I also say special thanks to Surely Not for being a true friend of Nigeria and his non hypocritical factual stand on issues.

I am surprised that the moderators are doing nothing about this. Perhaps the only thread they deem fit in binning is when we join issues on race in south africa.

Well the Nigerian people,have consistently been attacked, maligned, dehumanised,by a few ingrates on this site and it should not be accepted.I wonder, at various times they had spent in Nigeria,they still stayed behind to grab all the money they could,left and said thank you by insulting us.

If you do not like Nigeria, dont come, you are never welcome, and dont come here asking questions.We live here, we survive here and love it.No where like home, home sweet Nigeria.

For your information all, there are hundreds of thousands of foreigners here involved in all sorts of biz.Legit and illegit.Infact some expats are more influential in our country than we citizens are and are very much part of the system you wrongly disdain.The biggest corpoartions and plentiful of them in the country, ranging from beverages,telecoms, aviation,automobile, conglomerates are owned and operated by foreigners.So i suggest you always channel you questions and reservations to them.

Welcome to Nigeria, the land of prosperity.The future lies here.

Metro man

18th Jan 2008, 06:28

Prehaps the mods aren't closing the threads because most of what's being said is true, like it or not. Anyone going to Nigeria should be aware of the situation.

Read the travel WARNINGS most countries put out about visiting Nigeria. All information is regularly reviewed and kept current.

On Transparency Internationals corruption index Nigeria is always in the last few places. Any upward movement in the index is not necessarily an improvement, it may mean other countries have simply got worse and undercut Nigeria.

Sure other countries have problems, there have been recent threads mentioning the Congo and corrupt officials. Columbia is kidnap capital of the world, Russia is well represented in internet fraud, Burma is a major drugs producer. But you chaps seem to have it all, and in large amounts.

By all means if anyone has similar stories to those regarding Nigeria, in different countries please tell them.

I would love to hear about:
1. Needing an armed escort into town in Geneva
2. British/US/Australian officials demanding bribes
3. Oil workers kidnapped in Norway
4. Armed gangs roaming the streets of Singapore

NDB17

18th Jan 2008, 11:35

Mr Metro Man,

From this and all your other post on other threads, we come to the conclusion that Nigeria and Nigerians are the most dispicable people on earth. In your opinion, nothing good can ever come out of that nation. I guess dubya should be persuaded to nuke the bloody nation and people out existence, that way all evil in the world will be exterminated. And of course, the world will be in a state of utopia.
Dream on.

ZAZOO

18th Jan 2008, 17:13

"One day monkey go go market no come back!" :E

Well put LJT, have'nt heard that one in a while...

Surely not, how you de, long time Sir!!!

Flying Touareg just like you, I used to wonder why the moderators let such Posts carry on, who know's who CJ750 may just be, your guess is as good as mine.

The fact is as unbelievable as it is there was a thread concerning SA airlines and its problems concerning why pilots were resigning from SA, and this thread carried a lot of Racist remarks and believe me a moderator here on pprune did posts saying he was on his couch with popcorn enjoying the posts, even making remarks like "fire on".......:(

So guy's and that includes you Balewa :( there are more important things to discuss about, concerning our livelihood here in Naija, so forget CJ750 and the rest of them and lets focus on serious matters.

Zazoo
PS: LJT how far now, any news from our people, Naija Ninja and the rest who are back in Naija, well done , welcome back and wishing you all best of luck :D

alghaita ganga

18th Jan 2008, 21:20

Don't have a right to be here? Some of the people you talk of aren't here, many have a right to be here because your governement give them visa. Many Nigerians when they travel to Europe and America feel free to criticise the peoples the governement and anything they like - that's freedom of speech, non? It's all too typical of many Nigerians to over-react just as you are doing now.
I too am born in Africa, Angola of French father married to Haitian/Senegal/German mother, so I have every right to be here. Why do you think ICAO is here in Nigeria now? Is because so many Americans want to come to Nigeria? How many Nigerians do you see catching flight to America compared with Americans coming this way. Governements sources say that in 2002 more than 139,500 Nigerians immigrated to USA. Houston is estimate to have 80,000 Nigerians. Uk governement estimates more than 800,000 Nigerians are living in UK, but only 4,000 Brits are living in Nigeria. Numbers of Nigerians are increasing in America and UK, but numbers of Americans and Britishs are decreasing because of increasing violence in Nigeria. Open your eyes to the facts. Much of international travel on which jobs are depending is because Nigerians want to leave and Nigerians who have left come here just to visit. Even your last President appealed to Nigerians to return because of this brain drain, especially of professional peoples such as doctors, engineers and nurses. Making veiled threats and childish gestures like Balewa talks on his thread only help to reinforce outsider views of too many Nigerians. You can't deny the problems there and it is only when you accept them that things will get better - why do you think you have EFCC there? A man just ask of corruption in Lagos - well it exists. Maybe it has got better but is still there and not just in background. When everyone is prepared to open his eye and act on this, when people in your country are ready to act against these crroks, not just talk of them and accept them, things will change for the better. That is the way to progress, not issue threats against people exercising their privilege of Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité, ou la Mort!

LongJohnThomas

19th Jan 2008, 16:22

alghaita ganga,
I wont bother responding, i have said already; A word is enough for a wise man.
Read between the lines mate!

alghaita ganga

19th Jan 2008, 18:01

But M LJT you just have repond :confused:. Your writing is very small and because English is not my first language and I don't speak so often this days I am not too good to read between your lines. Still, am sure you mean well.

Jamex

19th Jan 2008, 20:13

alghaita ganga well put mate. For some one who's first language is not English you make a strong and convincing case. I also could not help noticing the fact that, unlike all the pro-Nigerian "activists" on pprune you actually live in Africa, as I do. People like Flying Toureg like to make their comments and then immediately request the mods to bin the thread! This while he claims to be living in Dubai not Lagos and then you read his posts and he appears to actually be iving in Lagos! LJT makes comments which, like American comedians, can only be understood by his fellow Nigerians. He then proceeds to insult your intelligence because you are open and honest enought to admit you dont know what his comment means! This again from our freedom loving Nigerian friends who want freedom of speech but only for themselves. Anyway I wont rant on here about the obvious flaws in their arguments it just seems ironical that Nigerians feel they need to defend their country when it is under a perceived attack but no-one else may do the same! As for LJT's comment that if Nigeria bothers anyone so much we should having nothing to with it, well thats the first bit of sense he has aired yet. Exactly the conclusion I reached after being flleeced by Nigerians in Nigeria! And yes, maybe I was greedy expecting to be paid for services rendered. Maybe its the same greed then that drives Nigerians in their thousands to the UK, US and to SA?

LongJohnThomas

20th Jan 2008, 00:32

alghaita ganga and Jamex,
I have really held back on what first comes to mind in response to your comments.
I quote: "I too am born in Africa, Angola of French father married to Haitian/Senegal/German mother, so I have every right to be here".:D
I dread saying this, but how does being born of no particular nationality/origin give you a right to be IN NIGERIA incase you cant read????!!!!!!!
"You can't deny the problems there and it is only when you accept them that things will get better - why do you think you have EFCC there?"
Well, no-one said Nigeria has no problems, i only said you can channel your efforts to sites more suited to stuff like that!!!!!!!!! Or is english SO difficult???:yuk:
And for you big mouthed Jamex, i must speak french to understand this: privilege of Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité, ou la Mort!
"He then proceeds to insult your intelligence because you are open and honest enought to admit you dont know what his comment means!"
I really do wish you had any if you know what i mean? There's an obvoius lack of it in, or around you!:ugh:
"Maybe its the same greed then that drives Nigerians in their thousands to the UK, US and to SA?"
Wow!!! I'm certainly glad i'm not one of them mate!:D I've never been classified an immigrant. I notice you added SA to your list; joke of the century mate!!!!!!:=

NDB17

20th Jan 2008, 04:40

Guys, why una dey argue with dis mumus! una no know sey for our kontri na de mumus dey rule us, for dia side na de correct ones dey rule dem. so make una sabi sey de ones wey dey here na de real mumus. if una sidon here dey follow dem kwatar, e go bi like sey una head no correct as dem bi.

Shunanny

20th Jan 2008, 07:19

:confused: NDB ma broda. Na tru oro u talk. if 2 peple de argue, 1 be crazman, no body go kno whu be d crazman. hotmj, ltj, i kino una, una no de craz. :eek:

BALEWA

20th Jan 2008, 10:34

I have been banned from entering my own thread on pprune, discovered the notice this morning (pasted below) as I tried to access the thread. I am sure this is due to my reply to jamex and co, because the reply was also erased :sad:.

I can only say to the Moderators on pprune sadly that I am disgusted by this and can only imagine why you allow threads like this one carry on!

Pprune Message
You are currently banned from this thread.
Reason given for this ban:

Read surely not's post again at the bottom of page one. Try to come back with some of his words in mind.

The ban is in effect until: 21st January 2008, ~00:00

ZAZOO

20th Jan 2008, 11:13

"Does anyone go to Lagos on charter in the smaller variety of executive aircraft. I am looking for info on handling, accommodation, costs and CORRUPTION, aircraft parking, clearances and all the reat of the C:mad:P that goes with flying into that hell hole. "

Mr Moderator any comment's on why this Thread is running please.
Just so I can get the whole point.

Hi Balewa, check PM, not to worry just for a few days :*

Zazoo

AVSEC

20th Jan 2008, 11:49

wooah.....
I must protest,for it appears that one west African country is being maligned on this forum.Why?
Over here we have our childrens safety in doubt because pedophiles target them.
Rape of women on the buses,underground and surface rail transport is rampant.
we are scared of terrorist attacks from our own fellow citizens of a particular persuasion.
No respect amonst our children for adults,smoking begins at as young as 13 years of age and illiteracy is rife except its a computer game.
shoplifting in most city centres is the norm.
alcoholic babarism every friday and saturday night the norm.
credit card fraud and debt management our gift to Africa.
soccer hooliganism,racist attacks on young men and women of particular races our contribution to culture tolorance.
We all have problems so let every contributor chill out and concentrate on aviation and how we can improve it within Africa.
I prefer working in AFRICA I must admit as I get more respect there and live a better life style.our kids are safer when they visit me in Africa on holidays.
Africa makes my life worth living and I have more respect for my skills there than at home.

LongJohnThomas

20th Jan 2008, 12:00

Avsec,
Happy new year mate!
I must say for once, that i am proud to have read your post and i am currently of good cheer.:D
Thank you for enlightening the less exposed and myopic blabber-mouths, i could not have said it much better.
Sn, i think you should read his post, absolutely splendid!!!!:D
Cheers mate.:ok:

alghaita ganga

20th Jan 2008, 12:01

LJT,

Where have I say I am born of no particular nationality? Everyone (almost) is born with a nationality. Like yourself, I have dual nationality. Where did I say I am in Nigeria? I visit Nigeria sometimes because I buy coffee to export to Europe from Nigeria. When I go there I have evry right to be there because the governement has given me a visa. No, I am not a Nigerian - is it only NIgerian who has right to criticise that country? If so, no Nigerian in UK or America would be allowed to criticise. It doesn't matter if you speak French as most educated people such as pilote undertsnad the slogan of the French revolution, which has been famous for centuries.

It is just a shame that so many people here express so many bad views and is one reason I never feel safe to fly in Nigeria except with Aero.

This thread will soon be banned if people continue to express so many bad views, and most of us understand perfectly well the pidgin English. If you don't you can find out some here:

Babawilly's Dictionary of Pidgin English (http://www.ngex.com/personalities/babawilly/dictionary/default.htm)

I can see that both threads will soon be banned and nothing constructive is being said any more - mostly just Nigerians and Sud Africans insulting each other, so is time to say, adieu mes amis. I hope you may find some common ground one day :\

LongJohnThomas

20th Jan 2008, 12:13

alghaita ganga,
If you took offence to what i have said, i do apologize, it's nothing personal.
I take it that some people on here are just agitators of mischief and complete disregard for the feelings of others, thus, there's always a back-lash.
The likes of jamex, metro man etc... THE USUAL SUSPECTS!!!!!!!
We all know who they are.:rolleyes:
I still maintain that this forum is for aviation and not personal feelings about political situations in any one country.:bored:
Like i said before, such views have sites for that type of rhetoric, not here!!!!!
Once again, please accept my sincere apology, the objective here is not to get personal.
Cheers.:ok:

ZAZOO

20th Jan 2008, 12:18

bonjour ganga,

Alors les affairs, ca va, toujours aussi grand critique de Nigeria.:E

Vous prennez toujours les vol de Bellview de Douala.

Zazoo

LJT how now, belike say I go de enter eko this week!!!

LongJohnThomas

20th Jan 2008, 12:37

Zazoo,
Nice one when you dey go there? I wan fall in sef. I hear say dem dey play this coming month abi make we meet for ghana go watch game?
Email me, make i know your plan.:ok:

alghaita ganga

20th Jan 2008, 13:30

Oh dear, I have said adieu and now I am here again to speak with mes amis Zazoo and LJT. Please just ask Balewa to be more calm small. Maybe what he says is with his tongue in his cheeks because he wants to wind up some people with hairy backs :). Humour and truth are alwasy better than innuendo and rumour - but this is a rumour network.

Zazoo,

Bonsoir, vous parlez très bien le français!

If you still fly for Bellview I have to congratulate that the service have improved and I even flew to London in Novembre. When will you start to fly again between Douala and Port Harcourt? That service is very good for my business (even though I still like Aero best because I think they have best combination of aircrafts and training, I still think their check-in staffs are rude and aggressive). I do have to admire Bellview to continue to provide a service and to expanding their coastal services to countries of West Africa, despite they don't seem to have the overseas backing of company like CHC or the backing of dubious origin of Arik.

LJT,

No, I don't take offense, you have said nothing offensive You have just speak your feelings from the heart and I agree with much of what you say. There is too much of verbal offensive here this days between the Africans of Nigeria and the Africans of South Africa and I find that sad :{.