Flybe

[Seven Fifty Seven]

Hi all

Can anybody out there tell me whether female cabin crew in Flybe are permitted to wear trousers as part of the uniform? My partner does wear them for her current airline but may soon be transferring to Flybe. As trivial as it sounds, it could be the one thing that causes her to turn the job down!

Thanks in advance.

757

[tiggerific_69]

No unless it is for medical or religious reasons i believe.
We are currently putting forward ideas for a new uniform,and i think all of us have said we would like trousers.

[Seven Fifty Seven]

Many thanks for that. Hopefully you'll be successful in getting them. She's dreading the idea of having to go back to wearing a skirt on the aircraft.

Cheers again

757

[EmmaB]

I can confirm there's definitely no trouser option for Flybe girlies. And I have it on good authority that there never will be as long as the current management team is in place - they believe that skirts 'project a more professional, full-service, customer-oriented image' :).

[TightSlot]

Mother of God - Not Again!!!

Whatever you do don't mention uniform trousers around EmmaB - she can and will write about them to infinity and beyond.


:eek:

[CaledonianGirl]

Hello !

Ive been reading about the expansion plans for Flybe and wondered about applying. Does anyone work for them at any Scottish bases? if so, what are the conditions, pay, rosters like please? Any info would be great. Thanks for your help. Are they recruiting soon? Cheers! :)

[tiggerific_69]

The current expanision plans are a franchise with Loganair, in which the Flybe brand will be used by Loganair. The Loganair Franchise is a seperate operation, so if you were interested in working for them, you would need to apply to Loganair. They have bases at Glasgow and Edinburgh, and a base in Aberdeen. The routes operated by Loganair will not be operated by Flybe crews or aircraft, and vice versa - Flybe routes will not be operated by Loganair crews or aircraft. They are still a seperate airline.

Rostering - either 5 on 2 off or 6 on 3 off. Block standbies of 5 days, 3 nights/4 days operating out of Guernsey or Jersey. Finish on lates before days off,back in on earlies.If you get an early 2 sector day, you'll most likely have a 2 hour airport standby tagged to the end of it. We also do standalone 6 hour airport standby. Majority of the days are 4 sectors.

Pay - as a junior now, a good month for me now is £1100 after tax, as our Flight duty pay of £1.90ph is fully taxed. I dont know what the basic salary is for new entrants at the moment.

Lot of political issues at the moment with the scheduling agreement and t&c's but hopefully these will be resolved soon.I'm guessing as a new entrant, you would come onto the new scheduling agreement, which I dont know much about, but appears to be a bit of an improvement on the current one some of us are operating on.

Flybe crew are based in Inverness, Glasgow and Edinburgh. I've operated out of Edinburgh, and the crews up there are really nice.Currently recruiting for Direct Entry Senior Cabin Crew in Edinburgh, and Cabin Crew in Inverness.More information can be found at www.flybe.com

[CaledonianGirl]

Thankyou for your reply posting Tiggerific 69. Much appreciated. Good news for Flybe to be expanding. Hope all goes well for you. Happy Flying! :)

[devon_guy]

I can confirm there's definitely no trouser option for Flybe girlies. And I have it on good authority that there never will be as long as the current management team is in place - they believe that skirts 'project a more professional, full-service, customer-oriented image'


I would actually go along with that. As a passenger I think Flybe's uniform does give off a more professional image than some of its rival loco's and would hope that the uniform will stay as it is.

[Seven Fifty Seven]

Is that purely from a 'guys' perspective Devon Guy? British Airways have trousers for female cabin crew. Are they not portraying a professional image then?

[devon_guy]

Hmmmm I really don't know.......I flew years ago in Australia with Ansett and the women there wore trousers, somehow it didn't seem as professional. It's a bit like for me when I have a dress down day at work, somehow the atmosphere changes entirely, people relax more don't work as much etc.....

There is no right or wrong answer I guess, but for me I prefer the current style of uniform.

[air2000dub]

We also need CA3s for Glasgow.

[EmmaB]

TightSlot will condemn me for saying this, no doubt, but I think DevonGuy's comment proves the Flybe management have a point. IMHO a skirts-only uniform looks smarter and more professional and as one of their crew I'm glad Flybe is upholding standards in this department :).

[TightSlot]

The trousers thing... You mentioned the trousers thing!!!

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[dollydaydream]

It might look a bit more professional if it was a decent uniform rather than the cheap, nasty throwback to the eighties:yuk:

[bmibaby.com]

Was wondering if there was anyone from BHX or MAN that could let me know a little bit about how these two bases are to work at regarding rosters, pay, seniority, ability to go part-time, general morale etc.

[tiggerific_69]

bmibaby.com

I am BHX based, please read my above post for pretty much everything you mentioned.
Part time is a rareity, and usually goes to people who have got children.
Morale not brilliant at the moment due to political issues over the scheduling agreement and ex BA Connect pay off to get ex BA Connect staff off the previous scheduling agreement.It is causing tensions between some crewmembers (not all) and flybe crew feel undervalued because theyre NOT getting a pay off, and ex BA Connect crew feel undervalued because of the poor amount offered by Flybe.
Manchester, things are slightly better as all the crew are ex-BA Connect, so there is no tensions over the scheduling agreement, people feeling it is unfair etc.

[dollydaydream]

I wouldn't say things are any better at man - just that everyone is of the same opinion:ugh:

[tiggerific_69]

Thats what i meant dolly - there is no conflict of opinion, whereas at BHX there has been, and in some cases quite nasty and i've heard of people threatening to offload because of this conflict of opinion.

[dollydaydream]

See what you mean - I was just saying that even though their is no conflict man crew are still very unhappy with scheduling agreement. pay award, pay off etc etc so morale is low.

Just out of interest why do flybe crew feel they should have a payoff? I doubt any of them have lost up to a weeks holiday, free confirmed long haul flights for years of service - as far as I can see they have only gained since the merger:=

[tiggerific_69]

Because they are coming onto a worse scheduling agreement apparently,although I cannot pass judgement on this as i dont know what the Flybe scheduling agreement is. Ours is seen as an improvement and therefore ex BA Connect crew shouldnt get the pay off.

[dollydaydream]

And this is the company who sold themselves as being a fair and generous employer with all cc on the same agreements and contracts - how quickly we found out that was a load of tosh:mad:

This payment malarky is going to drag on for months:rolleyes:

[tiggerific_69]

Of course it is.the only hassle is - what is going to happen about the summer leave bid?March rosters are being written,and this sees the beginning of the summer season and also of easter half term,no doubt some parents will be wanting that off. how are they supposed to bid?

[caramelo]

to dolleydaydream

we havent been benefited with the merger,at all.quite the oposite in fact.
if this schedulling agrement goes ahead,we will be back working 6 days on 2 days off,and this change is due to the merge.Seniority is going to go,due to de merge and the moaning is quite annoying to be honest with you.

Just as a matter of interest how many weeks holidays did you get with bacon,and how many weeks you get now if you choose option B,which allows you to have 5 trump days on a row and 4 wrapping days?

You now if you sell your contract,i want to sell mine too becouse i was very happy with my old scheduling agreement and now becouse of this merge,we have to change it for the worse for nothing,whereas you,get some money out of it,and some is better than nothing surely.

[dollydaydream]

Has it not occurred to you that you are now also being strung along - anything that the company want in the agreement they can blame on the merger. If you don't like it vote NO it really is that simple.

[tiggerific_69]

Caramelo

please bear in mind that because of the merger, ex Ba Connect crew were put onto a scheduling agreement,with worse terms and conditions that they did not want,for nothing.

So, now that you are in the same position, do you see why it went as far as a ballot for strike action before, and why it is probably going to be a no vote this time around?

[JobsaGoodun]

tiggerific_69

What would you have done if the acquisition of BAConnect by Flybe had not occurred?

I'm just thinking laterally about the losses that BAConnect was experiencing (up to £40million per year I believe).

[RED WINGS]

Jobsagoodun change the record, are you really that naive! Dont believe all the propaganda!!!!!!

[JobsaGoodun]

Naive - no, not after 10yrs in this industry...just practical.

Whatever the number, BACon was losing money and clearly BA wanted out rather than investing to turn it around. My view is that Connect struggled due to a more competitive environment and due to the fact that certain BA procedures had to be followed, tieing the hands of those in control of Connect.

A business needs to change within a changing marketplace or otherwise suffer at the hands of the competition. Unfortunatley timing is everything and Flybe got it right by ordering props when everyone else ordered regional jets. It could so easily have gone the other way when BE ordered their CRJ's only to ditch them after a couple of years! Had they not then it is fair to say that BE would not be around today and Connect may well have taken their place as the major domestic operator within the UK.

[tiggerific_69]

I know that Flybe have done BA Con a favour by quite literally saving their bacon
However, I dont see what that has to do with the point I was trying to make to Caramelo about how it feels to be in someone elses shoes.

[dollydaydream]

I know I have said it before but it doesn't seem to be sinking in - BA Connect was set up to sell - if BA had wanted to operate regionally they would have made the profits - they didn't want to so they sold it, flybe aquired it, some of us don't like it. We all know where the door is, a lot have already used it, a lot are planning to soon and when we have all gone certain people will be extremely happy:)

[barbiejetset]

A new uniform team is being set up by a very stylish lady in manchester and trust us trousers will be on the agenda!!!-- there will be lots of changes as the company goes forward. all good so watch this space.

[dollydaydream]

Pity they don't let that stylish lady sort out more than the uniform:ok:

[tiggerific_69]

good to hear barbiejetset - any idea when we will actually be getting the new uniform?

[dollydaydream]

At least 2 years.

[weeJK007]

I have been invited to an interview at Glasgow next week and I have been on their website just checking out some details. However it never mentions salary and Im keen to know if I am wasting my time applying for this position based on my current salary.

I know it will be basic pay but just not sure how much you get on top of that for flight pay and if they work on commission as well..?

Anyone have any answers..

:confused:

[lord mash]

did any one see this on sky last night?
not got sky tvbut would like to know what vile ideas they come up with ie colours etc

[Virginia]

I wonder if all those people who insist that skirts are a smarter option will be saying the same thing after a trip down a hot evacuation slide causing melting on nylons. Ladies-wear silk stockings!

[EmmaB]

How often does the average cc member have to evacuate using the slides during a working life? Less than once, I bet. And with it on fire as well???

Honestly, it's a risk I'm prepared to take, to avoid having to wear trousers.

[flumps]

So to follow the logic of trousers looking unprofessional stewards have no place in the airline industry (or men in the work place in general)? People, this is the 21st Century! The changing (modernising) styles of women's dress is closely linked to the advancement of women socially, particularly in the workplace. Imagine trying to squeeze down the aisle of a Q400 in a crinoline!

[RED WINGS]

But are the male crew allowed to wear skirts? Not sure how it would go down with the PAX?

[flyer55]

Is Flybe moving its operation to the North Terminal @ LGW ?

[Joffyh]

Has anyone used the new on-line application system? Seem to be having problems with the Education section...I can't edit/delete the details entered because when I click on my school to view them it just says "Page not found". Tried a number of different browsers/computers but the problem remains! Many Thanks

[weeJK007]

Hey the online form is a complete nightmare, it deletes everything you put in and flybe will not accept your cv's anymore. My friend has been trying to fill it out for 4 days now and has just about given up, she has also logged tech calls and phoned HR but no one is helping, the answer seems to be 'just keep trying'. That doesnt seem to help when you know the closing date for applications is soon.

Id suggest the more people phone up and complain they may actually get some tech team to look at the site and make sure its working before they rule out all the options of applying.

sorry its not any help to you Joffyh but at least you know there are others out there with the same problem :ugh:

weejk

[av8rboyz]

Do Flybe know what they are doing???
I have applyed to them 4 times in the last 12 months and they have never contacted me back! If thats the way they treat people who show an interest in working for them, how do they treat the people who already work for them????

[Joffyh]

Well In some ways it's nice to know that other people are having similar problems and it's not just me :}.

I couldn't even get into the dam thing for the first couple of days as it wouldn't accept my answer to the secret question, I called Flybe and spoke to HR several times as well as Bond and they all said everything with my application looks fine and I shouldn't have any problems :hmm:. I've emailed Bond about this Education problem and they're yet to get back to me, I guess it being Easter and all that's to be expected...it's just bloody annoying. What makes it worse is I submitted my CV and covering letter when it still said on their website "send your covering letter and CV to..." but they still wanted me to apply again online.

Av8rboyz what position have you applied for the same position everytime? I don't want to come across as harsh but Flybe say if you don't hear back from them in 6 weeks then it means your application hasn't been successful and normally you can't reapply for the same position for a minimum of 12 months.

[weeJK007]

Yeah thats true they dont normally get back to you if you are not sucessfull. Most jobs out there will not contact you if you are not even shortlisted for an interview..but i guess sometimes we just want a reply to say 'sorry not this time'
I suppose if they have hundreds of applicants its hard to go back to everyone.

good luck to both of you anyway if you are still trying to apply.

:ugh:

[av8rboyz]

I just think its strange as bmi, ba, vs, ezy, silverjet, qf and anz all reply if you have not been accepted to interview or if they arn't recruiting. I know that flybe have thousands of applicants, however so do these airlines and if they can reply why not flybe??

[weeJK007]

So you have personally had 'your not successful' replies from each one of those airlines..?
Or are you just on a downer with Flybe..

[EGHI]

Or are you just on a downer with Flybe..


Or perhaps, like most people, they appreciate good business manners and would like to receive even a brief 'thank you' for their interest in applying.

[weeJK007]

Flybe do actually give you a reply to say thanks for applying however they also say 'if you have not heard anything back within 6 weeks of applying consider it that you are not sucessfull this time'
Thats the bit I think most people are really waiting for, they know the company has received their application but now all they want is another reply to say youve been successful for interview or not..

either way its a horrible waiting game :*

[super girl123]

Hey there, don'tmiss your chance, call HR and tell them the problem, just make them aware that others are struggling with the app and hat you can easily email your CV over as you would hate to miss the deadline!!
That way you look keen and have made the effort to remind them about the app being a nightmare!!!
Good luck to you!!! :ok:

[500 miles]

I applied to flybe in November and within days I recived a letter of comfirmation.This pretty much said that if you hadnt heard anything within 6 weeks of the closing date you hadnt been shortlisted but on the internet it was an ongoing position. To me this meant no closing date.So basicly this was a rejection letter.
You can apply again six months after your first application.
Does anyone get an interview on their second attempt to the same company? I dont want to be too keen incase they remember me.