Glider flight time credit towards JAR-CPL

[mattia_70]

Hi all,
here's my situation:
In the past I logged 130 hours TT in gliders (in Italy with ICAO glider pilot licence).
Now I am doing my PPL in the UK. When I am finished I'd like to start a MODULAR course for CPL (without IR) in Italy.

Appendix 1 to JAR–FCL 1.160 & 1.165(a)(4) says that before commencing flight trainig for a CPL, the applicant shall have completed 150 hours flight time as a pilot (it does not specify PIC or airplane or glider)

Then JAR-FCL 1.155 (b) (2) (iii) says
"An applicant for a CPL(A) who is not a graduate from an integrated flying training course shall have completed as a pilot on aeroplanes having a certificate of airworthiness issued or accepted by a JAA Member State at least 200 hours of flight time.
(2) Crediting. From the 200 hours of flight time:
(iii) 30 hours as pilot-in-command in touring motor gliders or gliders."

Now, it is not clear to me if the 30 hours credited from gliding will be credited for the 150 hours (in which case I will be able to start training for CPL with only 120 hours) or if they will be credited for the total time of 200 hours before application for a CPL (in which case I have to have 150 hours to start training for the CPL but then I will be able to reduce Total Time to 170 hours before application for a CPL).

Has anyone ever been in this situation (either in the UK or in Italy)?

Thanks
Mattia

[outside_loop]

yep i was in this situation.

you still need to have 150 hrs total time to start the cpl course, but the 30hrs of gliding can be counted towards the 200hrs for cpl licence issue.

[will fly for food 06]

How interesting. I didnt know this. Thanks.

[Power Up]

I was a C Cat gliding instructor with the air cadets a few years ago, they allowed a 10 hour dispensation for the hours I flew towards the total time for my CPL.
Best speak to the issuing authority first to get confirmation though, they will want copies of licences and log book. When I first spoke to the CAA, they weren't entirely sure if it was accepted.