206 glasscockpit

[SierraEcho]

I was wondering if there are any 206BII/III equipped with a glasscockpit (IFR approved)?

[EN48]

Well ..., sort of. There are B206's flying around with the Chelton 2 panel Flight Logic EFIS system - not a complete "glass cockpit" in that engine instruments are the stardard B206 instruments, not glass. The Chelton system is an integrated PFD/MFD/FMS system which can be approved for IFR, however, depending country, the B206 may not be approved for IFR. Others here will know more about that.

RB

[lars1]

I took my jaa ir in a 206L in sweden. You need to have a Long with autopilot, dual generators and stuff, so they are very rare. I think they are just certified for IMC for flight training purposes. not talking about the glass now.

[Gordy]

There will be one at the HAI convention in Houston, I believe. I doubt it will be IFR certified though.

[perfrej]

I checked this up a while ago...

Bell 206B cannot be certified IFR because Bell doesn't have an STC which allows it (nor does anyone else). I fly a B206BII that has everything needed - except the dual generators - including autopilot. It is approved for "IFR in VMC", not "IFR in IMC". It's great if you get caught in marginal weather - just engage the autopilot, go above and shoot an ILS at the nearest runway :)

[Oogle]

It is approved for "IFR in VMC"

What exactly does this mean?

VFR on top of 8/8th of cloud or something else? :confused:

[SierraEcho]

I checked this up a while ago...

Bell 206B cannot be certified IFR because Bell doesn't have an STC which allows it (nor does anyone else). I fly a B206BII that has everything needed - except the dual generators - including autopilot. It is approved for "IFR in VMC", not "IFR in IMC". It's great if you get caught in marginal weather - just engage the autopilot, go above and shoot an ILS at the nearest runway :)That was pretty much what I was lookin' for. Thanks. :)
I suspected that the lack of a secondary generator would prohibit the B model from being certified IFR but I wasn't sure.

[IHL]

Oogle:

For me the benefit of having an aircraft certifed "IFR in VMC" would allow you to file IFR . IFR in busy terminal airspace is alot easier and less scary than navigating VFR.

One of the aircraft I fly is equipped with a TAWS -which is like TCAS without the traffic avoidance resolution- it is scary how many aircraft it points out that you don't see.

[perfrej]

Oogle:

I guess it means you are allowed to do all the procedures and train in it as long as you don't fly IMC.

It does have the whole suite of stuff and the only thing absent is the secondary generator...
http://frejvall.com/hok/hokpanel1.jpg
http://frejvall.com/hok/hokpanel2.jpg
http://frejvall.com/hok/hokpanel3.jpg

[Oogle]

I am not putting down the idea of flying IFR in a B206 it is just the wording of the STC that makes me think. It can be left up to alot of interpretation.
Maybe it should say "IFR procedures in VMC".
Perfreg:
Nice setup in your aircraft. I am sure that the icing problems of Sweden would limit you filing IFR at the moment. I am more used to the sunshine of the northern half of Australia so don't get to see much of the white stuff.
Stay warm. :ok:

[Bell427]

Here are two images of our bell 206B III that we use for IFR training. It has two pitostatic systems and two generators.

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/35827/2738784410101402870S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/35056/2312225970101402870S600x600Q85.jpg

[tottigol]

Flew IFR in a 206L-III long enough. The 206 for our back up in EMS (back up for three 412s!).

I see that IFR cockpit is not "N" registered, there may be differences between Sweden and the USA, btw is Sweden a JAR Country or did they elect to stay separate as everything else?

The Chelton displays are not certified for IFR in helicopters.

[Helibeginner]

Hey B427 looking at the picture the rego apprears to be SE-NZJ, couldn't find it on the register though so have probably got it wrong, appreciate it if you could set me straight and give the correct rego
Just interested :ok:

[Bell427]

registration of Bell 206B III jetranger (S/N 4313) is:
S5-HZJ and it is owned by Slovenian Army to be more precise, Flight school.

[C-David]

Watch for the Navy's upgrade from the TH-57B and TH-57C models to a unified TH-57D model. Some info is avalible today (if you google around a bit) likely more details to come soon. ;)

[perfrej]

...is JAR now adays, but as usual, the Swedish Authorities have their own interpretation of certain things. Rule harmonization my ass... (pardon my french).

[Phil Kemp]

We will have a Glass 206 at HAI - not currently IFR certificated.

Also a 212S, AS 350 plus a selection of other projects that are coming soon.

[C-David]

:= There have been Bell 206B III aircraft delivered by the OEM in an IFR approved configuration. The aircraft I am aware of have dual generators (and dual batteries). They also have a force trim system replacing the cyclic balance spring. The aircraft was configured specifically for IFR Pilot training, and may have little other utility. :ugh:The Operator’s Manual indicates they are not approved for single pilot IFR. IFR operations are permitted only with two Pilots in the cockpit.:8

[widgeon]

for 206b
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgstc.nsf/0/9A1B860A9752C47A85256CC200622305?OpenDocument&Highlight=ifr

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgstc.nsf/0/5B72069888AB2F5885256CC2005C313B?OpenDocument&Highlight=ifr

for l3
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgstc.nsf/0/B0640213E91E694B85256CC2005C3278?OpenDocument&Highlight=ifr

for l4
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgstc.nsf/0/B6DEDB50B1A334C885256CC2005C31E7?OpenDocument
as350ba
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgstc.nsf/0/168B4FAD7328F8FF86256DF300686DD5?OpenDocument&Highlight=ifr


there may be others

I guess the most expensive part is getting 2 independant hydraulic systems .