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Bally Heck
20th Dec 2007, 11:20
A well know British "politician" who's name sounds like Harlot Whoreman wants to criminalise the world's oldest profession, apparently to protect them. I have very much my own opinions about the current British government, and you will probably be able to buy them on a compact disc which they have lost or sold to someone.



I honestly don't think this morally bankrupt, incompetent, warmongering, etc etc bunch of criminals are going to dig themselves out of the very deep do do they are in by suddenly going all moral and attempting to make criminals of prostitutes under the guise of protecting them.

G-CPTN
20th Dec 2007, 12:10
Apparently it's unlawful to pay for sex in Sweden (the Land of Free Love).
In several towns in Britain the nightclubs and bars are places where willing sexual partners can be found (usually in return for an evening of booze). Will such activities be outlawed too?

VFE
20th Dec 2007, 12:13
I heard they're gonna outlaw booze in bars soon. We'll all be forced to sit in Starbucks drinking shite coffee and pretending to be cultured europeans.

VFE.

tony draper
20th Dec 2007, 12:17
Once bought a bird gin and tonics all night came outside for a taxi and two Policemen came up and arrested her,
feckers!!:(:rolleyes:

Tigs2
20th Dec 2007, 13:07
Thats because you were 12 at the time Mr Drapes:}

VFE
20th Dec 2007, 13:17
Once bought a bird gin and tonics all night came outside for a taxi and two Policemen came up and arrested her,
feckers!!
Come come now Tony, don't play the innocent with us ole boy! You can't go blaming the Purkinje effect for that one. ;)

VFE.

Groundbased
20th Dec 2007, 13:49
A fine point, but I believe the proposal is to outlaw paying for it, that makes the punter the criminal and not the prostitute.

Nevertheless I think it is a ridiculous gimmicky proposal as usual, which will get brushed under the carpet like most of the others after a bit of "consultation".

Legalise it, provide a safe environment, give health checks, control prices and the illegal trade will die off through lack of demand. (Earn tax revenue too).

GB

Choxolate
20th Dec 2007, 14:22
Well I think that they should make it available on the NHS, after all I pays me taxes.

gingernut
20th Dec 2007, 14:24
I think the proposal is an attempt to kurb the "sex traffic" trade. Can't help think they're going about things the wrong way, and I agree with groundbaseds view.

Legalising smack will also improve a lot of my local problems.

groundhand
20th Dec 2007, 14:28
Choxolate

Would this mean that, under the new EU health treatment proposals, if I got 'treatment' in Amsterdam I'd be able to recharge the NHS?

Maybe these Politicians have a point?!

Binoculars
20th Dec 2007, 14:31
Prostitution is illegal in Thailand too. I recently visited Pattaya for two weeks with several friends for a golf trip, and I'm pleased to announce that we saw no evidence of this evil while we were there.

Criminalising things clearly works. More power to the British government in its earnest attempt to rid the world of this evil.

c-bert
20th Dec 2007, 14:40
Criminalising things clearly works.

The yanks criminalised alcohol. How'd that work out for them? :hmm:

Ozzy
20th Dec 2007, 14:41
They should prostitute criminals.....:}:rolleyes:

Ozzy

Forkandles
20th Dec 2007, 14:41
Ever heard of sarcasm, c-bert?

c-bert
20th Dec 2007, 14:44
Ever heard of sarcasm, c-bert?

Fair point, but my comment still stands on the thread in general.

Bahn-Jeaux
20th Dec 2007, 15:10
A fine point, but I believe the proposal is to outlaw paying for it,


Hmmm, If I calculate number of times per year I get to partake in nocturnal gymnastics against cost of maintaining home and gymnastics partner, I feel I am paying far more for my favours than if i visited a lady of the night several times a week.

Perhaps under this new proposal, it should be marriage that is outlawed as it is by far the most expensive option for us chaps in that department.

Forkandles
20th Dec 2007, 15:17
Hmmm, If I calculate number of times per year I get to partake in nocturnal gymnastics against cost of maintaining home and gymnastics partner, I feel I am paying far more for my favours than if i visited a lady of the night several times a week.

Perhaps under this new proposal, it should be marriage that is outlawed as it is by far the most expensive option for us chaps in that department.

Being recently married, I wish I could disagree with this statement. :(
There again, it is Orgasm Day, so you never know.
(Where's the thread gone though?)

Edit: Just checked, and it's the 22nd actually. No need to tell the missus 'til then though, and have another go. And then it's nearly Christmas! Yee-haa, could me a busy few days... :ok:

G-UNIT
20th Dec 2007, 15:32
Personally I don't see a problem with prostitution as long as all are willing participants. A well regulated industry would ensure good tax revenue, safety for the employees and regular STI checks would keep everyone healthy.

There is nothing anyone can do to eradicate prostitution entirely, to try is folly, management is the way forward. Morally i have no issue either as most men view sex as a pastime, something entertaining to be enjoyed....like golf. And, just like golf its nice every once in while to play a different course (which doesn't change how much you love your 'home' course):}

Binoculars
20th Dec 2007, 15:36
OK, I'll bite. The phrase commonly heard in aviation circles which says "If it flies, f*cks or floats, rent it" sums up this argument fairly neatly, as does a similarly familiar and cynical viewpoint; "don't get married, just find a woman you don't get on with and buy her a house".

It's simply a case of deciding whether you want to include emotion in the argument. Most people do, and more power to them. That's why marriage is still popular.

On the other hand if you decide early in life that sex is a commodity, easily purchased without going through the rigmarole of paying for an expensive meal, or two or three or four, and you want to be an economic rationalist a la bahn-jeaux, I find it difficult to argue with that from my position in life.

It's not entirely dissimilar to the discussion about having kids. I look at the many couples I know who have kids, and I look at the few long standing couples who don't, and i weigh up who I think is happiest. We can all make up our own minds on that one.

tony draper
20th Dec 2007, 16:08
Been a long time since any lady whispered at me through smoke filled gloom,
"Wanna short time Johnnie"
:E

chiglet
20th Dec 2007, 16:36
"Wanna short time Johnnie"


Is that your Nom de plum, or size??? :E
watp,iktch

tony draper
20th Dec 2007, 16:42
Or a the first trip galley boy was once heard to utter,
"eee how did she know me name"?
:rolleyes:

Mac the Knife
20th Dec 2007, 18:08
"...Hmmm, If I calculate number of times per year I get to partake in nocturnal gymnastics against cost of maintaining home and gymnastics partner, I feel I am paying far more for my favours than if i visited a lady of the night several times a week...."

There's an old saying - "If it flies, ferks or floats then its cheaper to rent it.

I've generally found this to be true.

:E

Davaar
20th Dec 2007, 18:14
Is a nom de PPLuM restricted to those in PPRuNe?

G-ALAN
20th Dec 2007, 18:34
Is there such a thing as married bliss? I'm not married myself but I'm just wondering if this married bliss stuff exists? Almost all of my married friends have confessed to having deep regrets about getting married.

Rossian
20th Dec 2007, 19:33
Course there is G-ALAN; forty two years worth of it in my case, complete with two super kids and three super grandchildren, one of which is trundling up the A9 in this direction as I type.
The Ancient Mariner
PS I also spent 35 years of my working life doing what I thought was one of the best jobs going - AND they paid me as well AND (touching wood here) still sound in wind and limb.

AMF
20th Dec 2007, 23:50
c-bert Quote:
Criminalising things clearly works.
The yanks criminalised alcohol. How'd that work out for them?

Not well, but a point of history. Prohibition wasn't an "american" thing...we just make gangster movies about it so perhaps that's the perception for some.

The reality is that the US was the last to jump on the temperance bandwagon (1920-33), others got it rolling. Parts of Canada began Prohibition in 1900 with some parts not repealing until 1948, followed by Russia/USSR (1914-25), Iceland (1915-22), Norway (1916-27), Hungary (1919), and Finland (1919-33).

Carry on

tony draper
21st Dec 2007, 00:11
Perhaps the Americans were the only one's smart enough to take advantage of it.
:rolleyes:

BlooMoo
21st Dec 2007, 01:00
The reality is that the US was the last to jump on the temperance bandwagon (1920-33), others got it rolling. Parts of Canada began Prohibition in 1900 with some parts not repealing until 1948, followed by Russia/USSR (1914-25), Iceland (1915-22), Norway (1916-27), Hungary (1919), and Finland (1919-33).

So why did you jump on it then?

Binoculars
21st Dec 2007, 01:23
Looks like Mac the Knife must have me on ignore. :rolleyes:

G-ALAN, re wedded bliss, I recently heard an aphorism I believe to be spectacularly true: Men get married thinking the woman won't change, and women get married thinking the man will. They're both wrong.

Blacksheep
21st Dec 2007, 01:48
We have prohibition here but there are "speakeasy" facilities for those in the know. Expats also regularly do the Kuala Lura "Border Run" while the bars and birds of the nearby island of Labuan do a roaring trade with our locals on a weekend. Saudi Arabia has had prohibition since 765CE but they still haven't wiped out the speakeasy trade; nor have they stopped their folks doing their own "Border Run" to Manama every Friday night. Then look at Dubai where the customer base for the Russian ladies is almost entirely made up of Dish-dash wearers. :rolleyes:

You can't stamp out things for which there is a large demand by making them illegal, you can only drive them underground. Making prostitution illegal will only make life worse for many unfortunate women. I think that many government ministers, looking at New labour's shrinking voter base, are desperately pandering to untapped sections of the voting public. This shot is aimed at women with blue perms and sensible shoes.

Two's in
21st Dec 2007, 01:56
No offense to any of our non-heterosexual readers, but if being on this planet is about anything other than procreating the species, I would love to know what that is. Paying for it is just like getting professional externally sourced training before a check ride.

ads1963
21st Dec 2007, 04:06
Prostitution in almost all Asian countries is outlawed! Do you see any there? Girls work for a pocket money only not for pay for sex!

arcniz
21st Dec 2007, 05:49
G-ALAN says: Is there such a thing as married bliss? I'm not married myself but I'm just wondering if this married bliss stuff exists? Almost all of my married friends have confessed to having deep regrets about getting married.
and
Two's in says:
No offense to any of our non-heterosexual readers, but if being on this planet is about anything other than procreating the species, I would love to know what that is. Paying for it is just like getting professional externally sourced training before a check ride.

S*X is nature's little joke on us all. Plants do their bit, too, but they do not have the option of making many decisions about the process - intermediaries handle most of the interactive bits.

For animate critters, S*X is a designed-in imperative. At a certain point in life a switch flips inside each creature and suddenly it WANTS to have relations with others of its kind. The process is messy, confused, and statistical, but the ongoing survival of a species is fair proof they have got the hang of the dance. And those family lines and species that don't survive are footnotes in the book of time.

Creatures large and small follow a predictable path in life. The more intelligent the animals are, the more enthusiasm, variety, and art they incorporate in the journey on the way to S*X. Not a one questions it... but some march faster and more spiritedly than others. Humans spend much of their existence preparing for it, recovering from it, or obsessing about it in one manner or another. Rituals, resorts, airlines and dozens of other entire industries exist to lubricate or otherwise facilitate the process - either intermediating in fact or by serving up allegorical S*X as a pleasant illusion. Some of these are so artful and interesting, or so symbiotic with other human purposes, that they become valued in their own right. The custom of mostly monogamous co-habitation is one such way-station. Marriage is another.

Marriage exists as a practice principally because of the innate compulsion for homonids to procreate. Clearly they can do so without the initial formalities or the on-going maintenance, but also clearly, many people find advantage in the stable realtionships that result.

Tribal and political institutions benefit greatly from stable coupling, because marriage cuts the number of units to herd roughly in half, and causes them to settle into predicatable behaviors that are easier to count, tax, and coerce.

Human males and females are still half-children (by modern definitions) when they acquire the capacity to join the reproductive program. A consequence of this is that much of the packaging, myth, and aura society wraps around the activity is structured in metaphores from child-compatible fairy-tales and legends. The first experience and often the whole concept of S*X and marriage for many youth comes in hyperbolic exaggerated forms. The second level of experience comes as reaction to the obvious inadequacy and inaccuracy of the fairy-tale model - universally realized by young people after they have had some practice and have worked through the layers of ritual to the bedrock truth that nature has made us all fools, if only so we will remember to reproduce while there are time and strength available for the purpose.

In the fog of mis-information, dis-information, confusion and other fictions that prevail during the reproductive years, one thing is usually clear: Males think the purpose of having S*X, and all the baggage that comes with it, is to have S*X.

Females, on the other hand, want to have babies. Somewhere along the way they have learned in considerable detail that they are designed for this purpose. They are led to believe that all babies are very much like the best possible toy dolls in the stores and that they can make their own (to keep) if they simply extract a little cooperation for a few minutes from a well-predisposed male. Females tend to believe that having the babies is the best darn thing in the universe. Motherhood is much more important than S*X, and basically Job ONE.

Economics, tribal goals, and the diffuse accumulated experience of a few million generations of precursors collectively conspire to enforce continuous new creation of family units by splicing together an M and F in a legally priviliged and subsidised package for reproduction and child-rearing. The civil authoritie are little interested in the formalities or ceremonies, just so long as the couple sign their contract and put it in the registry. From then on, it is the license-plate for tracking them in the population management section of government, by the folks concerned with economics, taxes, education, infrastructure and births and deaths.

So, marriage is a lot like flying. (Cue the boredom-terror joke). The main difference is that in flying one pays a big price up-front to learn on various types of equipment, studies hard, practices at length, and learns how to do it reliably before the license.

With marriage the license is easy, the cost of entry is just about nil, but THEN one discovers that most of a lifetime is needed to figure out how to do it successfully.

Blacksheep
21st Dec 2007, 06:38
37 years and I'm still figuring it out. There's much, much more to it than mere sexual reproduction, that's for certain.

"Don't marry a woman for how she looks, make your choice on how she cooks."

Looks are temporary, good eating makes for a lifetime of pleasure.

Loose rivets
21st Dec 2007, 07:30
Mmmm...I have no doubt that man was designed for about 15 years of marriage. 20 at a push. After that folk should simply meet when they want to, and live on different continents the rest of the time. That, or out of throwing range.

Blokes who want to remarry, should find a partner that's very, very quiet by nature...and grateful...and a good cook and washer upper. Oh, and not make a noise with the dishes while she's doing it. Oh again, and have a house with a gardener.

Just imagine chaps, coming home to a nice new wife. Dinner's all ready and she's wearing exactly what you ordered for her from Ann Summers.

Alternatively, you could go to Stepford, and have an electric one.:ooh:

Mac the Knife
21st Dec 2007, 07:32
"Looks like Mac the Knife must have me on ignore."

Ahhhhh Binos, I'd never do that.....

:ok:

PS: I'm reminded of a remark by the great Dr. Johnson, who opined that - "Second marriages are the triumph of hope over experience" :\

BTW, good post arcniz!

Actually I think that a good marriage is probably one of the greatest things on earth - and it does happen, more often than the sourpusses think.

AMF
21st Dec 2007, 09:57
BlooMoo Quote:
So why did you jump on it then?

Maybe Michael Moore's grandfather was running around back then, also whining about America's social problems and like his grand-spawn is now proclaiming the answer was Prohibition because "Canada and Europe are doing it!", thereby melding the budding post-War Socialists/Reds/Bolshies with the more-established Temperance Movement resulting in an unholy alliance of busybody voting groups, both of which still to this day get annoyed when they see anybody else is having fun.

Plus, it was 1920 so my friends and I weren't old enough to vote against it.

BlooMoo
21st Dec 2007, 11:18
Let's not leave out the self-aggrandizing, sanctimonious, religious fruitcakes who hijacked the political agenda to try force everyone else to conform to their absurd opinions. Not much seems to have changed in that respect.

SLFStuckInTheBack
21st Dec 2007, 11:49
I am sure that if Uncle Gordon and his pet Darling could work out how they could get the sex workers to charge VAT to their punters which could then be fed back into the Government coffers - then all talk of making it illegal would be dropped.

Now just what the V in VAT would mean in this case - shall be left to your imagination :)

radeng
21st Dec 2007, 11:53
Do they have problems in Germany and Australia, where I believe, it's legal? (or at least, some parts of Australia)

G-ALAN
21st Dec 2007, 13:29
Some good replies.
Men get married thinking the woman won't change, and women get married thinking the man will. They're both wrong.
:ok: Precisely why my relationships seem to crash and burn. Thank goodness I didn't marry her. Something told me it was wrong from the begining.
arcniz
Good response! I calculate that I think about women/sex about 80% of my waking hours. Whole fantasies are devoted to it, songs are written about it, career choices are made upon it, films are made about it, books are written about it, decisions are based upon it. Right now I'm thinking of chasing the wee single mummy who keeps smiling/flirting with me everytime she passes me on the street. It's probably wrong to use my son as a tool to get into her panties but..... :E

AMF
21st Dec 2007, 14:00
BlooMoo quote;..Let's not leave out the self-aggrandizing, sanctimonious, religious fruitcakes who hijacked the political agenda to try force everyone else to conform to their absurd opinions. Not much seems to have changed in that respect.

I didn't leave them out, they formed the core of the afore-cited Temperance Movement. I thought everyone knew that.

BlueDiamond
21st Dec 2007, 14:04
It's probably wrong to use my son as a tool to get into her panties but.....
If she doesn't like you then she doesn't like you, G-ALAN ... you'll get nowhere and it won't matter a rat's butt how many children you have. If she's smiling and flirting, then it looks like you're off to a good start though ... unless she's smiling at your twenty six year old son, of course. :E

Two's in
21st Dec 2007, 14:07
Arcniz, as philosophical treatise on the value of existence, your post is spot on, but as a chat up line in a bar, don't bet on getting a jump...

Bronx
21st Dec 2007, 16:39
Criminalizing prostitution?
Clever idea. :rolleyes:

Maybe the British government thinks guys that can't get sex except by paying prostitutes are just gonna give up having sex?

Sounds like a recipe for more rapes.

vee-tail-1
21st Dec 2007, 17:42
Sex, or lack of it, is a serious subject but humour helps to reduce the pain.
Symptoms of lack of sex in the male?

What you see outside:
Irritable, resentful, bad tempered man.
Always thinking about sex.
Anxious, stressed, driven, always busy with work.
Grumpy, bitter, out of sorts type of man.
Complaints about how the relationship is not working.

What it feels like from the inside:
Constant feelings of irritation & bad temper.
Resentment on a hair trigger.
Constant preoccupation with sex, and the management of sex urges.
A very small proportion of men react to a lack of sex in the way that the largest proportion of women do. That is they accept it as a chosen way of life.
My wife tells me in all seriousness that most women go off the man who fathered their children, and I should just get used to that.
In my case the cooking is very good, the house is a real home, I love my family, and I need to access porno sites on the web regularly or I would go mad!! What a pity most women haven't a clue about male sexuality, particularly Harriet Harman:yuk:

frostbite
21st Dec 2007, 17:58
For some reason this thread has reminded me of the few minutes I saw of 'My boyfriend the Sex Tourist' on C4 the other night.

One of the 'workers' was chatting to her friend about the obese American who had purchased her for a few days, and remarked "He's got bigger tits than I have".

BenThere
21st Dec 2007, 20:48
Always thought the pursuit of sex to be a matter of freedom. If one chooses to purchase sexual services from a willing seller of same, how is it the business of anyone to deny the freedom to do so? We all go through stages in life.

There are major problems, though, with exploitation in the form of the selling of children, drugged or otherwise coerced participants, and various nasty and pernicious aspects of the trade.

Not to be prudish, but I've found a monogamous, devoted, trusting relationship with someone I love to be the most fulfilling. But that's just me.

G-ALAN
21st Dec 2007, 21:03
unless she's smiling at your twenty six year old son, of course

That would make him two years older than me! G jr is 2 and a bloody handful at that.

P.S. Have bought said single mummy a box of chocolates which I have stuck under G jr's push chair and plan to hand it to her with my phone number next time I bump into her ;)

vee-tail-1
22nd Dec 2007, 14:48
I agree with Ben There.

But this is an aviation forum, and in aviation terms my experience of women.... Is like a continuous NDB approach in marginal conditions, with a 50% chance of crash & burn on contact. Comforting therefore to know that I could divert, to where conditions are CAVOK, ATC gives a straight in approach, the runway is wet, and I only have to remember to pay the landing fee :E

Now !!** NL want to take that away :{

BlueDiamond
22nd Dec 2007, 15:44
My wife tells me in all seriousness that most women go off the man who fathered their children, and I should just get used to that.
That's probably quite accurate too. We're designed to have offspring by as many different partners as possible so that the gene pool maintains a broad base. Once a woman has had one or two children with one partner, she will be hard-wired to "go off him" and seek another sperm donor. Just nature at work.

P.S. Have bought said single mummy a box of chocolates which I have stuck under G jr's push chair and plan to hand it to her with my phone number next time I bump into her
Well good luck with it, G-ALAN ... be nice if it works out for both of you! :ok:

RatherBeFlying
24th Dec 2007, 23:11
Well good luck with it, G-ALAN ... be nice if it works out for both of you! I'll add my best wishes, but putting on legal scar tissue hat must advise you that if this wonderful new relationship happens to go downhill at some time in the future, you might just find yourself on the hook for support of her present child.

Capt.KAOS
25th Dec 2007, 00:14
Prostitution has been legalized here in Holland since 2000, including the introduction of VAT on pay for play. The result is a decrease in both prostitutes and their punters. Number of sex clubs have decreased from 800 to 500 and unregistered foreign demondaines have decraesed as well. Some say it's the worsened economy and the internet. Fact is prostitution will always be around, on way or another...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Kitagawa_Utamaro.jpg/800px-Kitagawa_Utamaro.jpg

Wingswinger
25th Dec 2007, 10:16
Not to be prudish, but I've found a monogamous, devoted, trusting relationship with someone I love to be the most fulfilling. But that's just me.

No, BenThere, it's not just you. It's achieving that glorious idyll that's the hard bit.

I think the trouble is that most men don't really know themselves until they are well past forty. That being the case, how can they know what sort of woman they want to spend the rest of their lives with. Some people's idea of sex is a cosy cuddle in front of a nice fire; others prefer wilder shores and more wind-swept heights. Some like it to a timetable; others like it to be spontaneous. Some like their spouse/partner just to get on with it; others like slow, sensuous and imaginitive seduction. It takes many years to acquire the knowledge and experience to know what one really likes. Therein lies the problem.

Chaffers
25th Dec 2007, 16:20
Be a poor show if it was only half. :)