Mr. Bloggs
14th Dec 2007, 06:24
I am starting a new thread because all the others are getting weighed down with the same direction.
For one, will ST get voted out? If you are going to do that, may as well restructure the whole AOA.
Whoever is President, he/she will know they don’t have the backing of most members and then you have the non members. When it comes to CC (Contract Compliance), will many do it.
Why do we need the AOA President to tell us we need to do CC. C’mon we are supposedly intelligent people here, can’t we figure it out on our own?
From “The Management”:
We still expect you to answer your phone on O and G days, reduce physiological rest to minimum rest, use discretion when needed to maximum extent possible, 3 man ULH when needed to maximum discretion, acknowledge crew direct so the FDP does not start at the 4 hour mark when delayed, reduce normal rest to min rest, flying the freighter, not sign in for duty when you know there is a change of duty (as your FDP will start), etc
Don’t do any of this. Make Crew Control, GMA, and Holyland work very hard to get the roster covered. Some may even get some overtime.
From the AOA
May we remind all Officers to report roster disruptions, 3 man crewing, minimum rest periods, loss of days off at home, extensions to duty, or any other changes from CoS, Vol 1 FTLs or the RP07 agreement to [email protected] with copies to the flight safety department, when appropriate, via CHIRPS reports? This practice should become the norm for all crew.
If it is a safety concern, CHIRP it.
If you have reduced rest, 3 man, etc tell the AOA and CHIRP it.
If there is no paperwork, there is no problem.
HKAOA:
Mr. GMA, we believe you are reducing physiological rest too often.
GMA:
What do you mean, show me the paperwork and we will look into it.
HKAOA:
It is just word of mouth from our members, we don’t have any paperwork
GMA:
I don’t think we have a problem then.
Every member must start monitoring their own contract and report these situations. The reduce rest, 3 man is happening all the time but pilots are not telling anyone and there is no paper trail.
How many use discretion? If you have to stand down and not use discretion, tell the AOA and CHIPR it (if there is a safety concern). If you use discretion, tell the AOA. Flights are now scheduled very tight and some may need to be tracked to see if they need more crewing. Again there is no paperwork, so there is no problem, so CHIRP it.
The members and the nom members for that matter are the eyes and ears of the AOA and we have to monitor crew control to make sure they are doing it legal. If they know we are monitoring them, they will have to keep it legal or the CAD will be rather upset at the GMA.
Start beating them at their own game within the rules of the AFTL’s. When crews are short, Crew Control, GMA, and Holyland will bend the rules. It is up to us to monitor this and report this to the HKAOA or you do it yourself to the CAD via a MOR (any rank can file a MOR). You must start standing up for yourself.
If you are not willing to stand up and be counted then turn the f***ing lights out when you leave.
You are big boys flying big airplanes; you don’t need the AOA President to tell you this. Just do it.
DFO:
Well Mrs. GMA, are the pilots in CC?
GMA:
Well Mr. R there was nothing from the AOA.
DFO:
Well Mr AOA President, are you in CC because we are cancelling some flights and having difficulty crewing our expansion.
AOA President:
Well no Mr. R, what are you talking about. We said nothing to our members.
Maybe the pilots need a proper pay rise. We are willing to talk.
It’s the holiday season over the next several months and CX will be busy. Start it now and let’s see what happens.
Don’t stick you head out like the old MSS, if you see an opportunity, take it i.e. don’t answer your phone or acknowledge crew direct. Keep it within the rules and show no good will.
Every time there is an agreement, RP or COS coming up for renewal, we must automatically go into CC six months before. Withdraw our goodwill and give the negotiation team some leverage.
OK, rant over. Time for the sound of the Oz bush.
For one, will ST get voted out? If you are going to do that, may as well restructure the whole AOA.
Whoever is President, he/she will know they don’t have the backing of most members and then you have the non members. When it comes to CC (Contract Compliance), will many do it.
Why do we need the AOA President to tell us we need to do CC. C’mon we are supposedly intelligent people here, can’t we figure it out on our own?
From “The Management”:
We still expect you to answer your phone on O and G days, reduce physiological rest to minimum rest, use discretion when needed to maximum extent possible, 3 man ULH when needed to maximum discretion, acknowledge crew direct so the FDP does not start at the 4 hour mark when delayed, reduce normal rest to min rest, flying the freighter, not sign in for duty when you know there is a change of duty (as your FDP will start), etc
Don’t do any of this. Make Crew Control, GMA, and Holyland work very hard to get the roster covered. Some may even get some overtime.
From the AOA
May we remind all Officers to report roster disruptions, 3 man crewing, minimum rest periods, loss of days off at home, extensions to duty, or any other changes from CoS, Vol 1 FTLs or the RP07 agreement to [email protected] with copies to the flight safety department, when appropriate, via CHIRPS reports? This practice should become the norm for all crew.
If it is a safety concern, CHIRP it.
If you have reduced rest, 3 man, etc tell the AOA and CHIRP it.
If there is no paperwork, there is no problem.
HKAOA:
Mr. GMA, we believe you are reducing physiological rest too often.
GMA:
What do you mean, show me the paperwork and we will look into it.
HKAOA:
It is just word of mouth from our members, we don’t have any paperwork
GMA:
I don’t think we have a problem then.
Every member must start monitoring their own contract and report these situations. The reduce rest, 3 man is happening all the time but pilots are not telling anyone and there is no paper trail.
How many use discretion? If you have to stand down and not use discretion, tell the AOA and CHIPR it (if there is a safety concern). If you use discretion, tell the AOA. Flights are now scheduled very tight and some may need to be tracked to see if they need more crewing. Again there is no paperwork, so there is no problem, so CHIRP it.
The members and the nom members for that matter are the eyes and ears of the AOA and we have to monitor crew control to make sure they are doing it legal. If they know we are monitoring them, they will have to keep it legal or the CAD will be rather upset at the GMA.
Start beating them at their own game within the rules of the AFTL’s. When crews are short, Crew Control, GMA, and Holyland will bend the rules. It is up to us to monitor this and report this to the HKAOA or you do it yourself to the CAD via a MOR (any rank can file a MOR). You must start standing up for yourself.
If you are not willing to stand up and be counted then turn the f***ing lights out when you leave.
You are big boys flying big airplanes; you don’t need the AOA President to tell you this. Just do it.
DFO:
Well Mrs. GMA, are the pilots in CC?
GMA:
Well Mr. R there was nothing from the AOA.
DFO:
Well Mr AOA President, are you in CC because we are cancelling some flights and having difficulty crewing our expansion.
AOA President:
Well no Mr. R, what are you talking about. We said nothing to our members.
Maybe the pilots need a proper pay rise. We are willing to talk.
It’s the holiday season over the next several months and CX will be busy. Start it now and let’s see what happens.
Don’t stick you head out like the old MSS, if you see an opportunity, take it i.e. don’t answer your phone or acknowledge crew direct. Keep it within the rules and show no good will.
Every time there is an agreement, RP or COS coming up for renewal, we must automatically go into CC six months before. Withdraw our goodwill and give the negotiation team some leverage.
OK, rant over. Time for the sound of the Oz bush.