New Salary In Qr

[CEO PITA]

In few days meeting regarding new salary in QR !!
Good news CP told me 28 % on basic and increament per h of flying instead 90/120 Qr for f/o and capt we will get 110/160 qr per h .

[loc22550]

If they still have to make the meeting for that, it means NOTHING has been decided yet.... right...!?:uhoh:
By the way last time they "increase" the salary they took out our overtime payment...so...any idea what´s gone be this time CEO...?:ouch:

[Valdemort]

Now : FO = 90 / CP = 120
New : FO = 110 / CP = 160

OK ??????

[hairy plotter]

Shouldnt the title be NEW SLAVERY IN QR??? Think it'd be more true, no.

[loc22550]

28%..increase..will it be enough to attract people(and prevent more from leaving) in this wonderfull :uhoh:and cheap country:uhoh: called Qatar with the highest inflation rate in the Gulf....?
Wait and see...:hmm:

[tuan74]

Really...28%...?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It should've been 280%...

But knowing QR..after all the hassle & bustle..it might turn out to be 2.8% (if there's any...):{:{:{

[ramiyns]

It's not allways money that stops Pilots from leaving.

I think,Change in mentality is more importent than raising salaries.
Company has to know that pilots has families and life style.

Rostering, Is the biggest issue in this company,It has to be cleand up.

I for one, Raising salaries will not stop me from leaving,unless they change the rostering habbits and stop ruining our lives.

cheers

[salamalikum2]

...That´s why they increase the salary..that´s the only think they have it here: Money...!
No human factor at all.
Agree ,it´s time to put professional people in roster, people who should be able to think about human, safety and not ONLY legality when they build up a roster...but this is not for tomorrow....!!
..they are not only ruining our life..but the company as well.

[Riker]

What is the attrition rate like from QR to EK? Seems like EK is offering a much better deal and a lot more growth... Do many QR pilots leave for EK?

[salamalikum2]

If this was allowed leaving QR for EK..this would be the end of QR...:\
The ambition of Ek are huge, and i think they are working on it without forgetting any factor..Human as well!
That´s the big difference with Q.R.: they have big ambition as well(nothing to compare with EK of course)..but NO ambition when it come to the welfare of the crew..that´s the big paradoxe here!Rumor regarding an increase of 28%..on the basic (if it´s true..) is just an evidence how desperated they are..!
Country is another issue..you can´t compare Doha and Dubai..:\

[Valdemort]

Money also helps !!!!!
In QR money should be a kind of compensation comparing to EK/EY
HR in QR ???
Maybe in 2020:ugh:

[PIPE RIDER]

Salary Rise???? ja ja ja, the poster of this tread has obviously been playing with the brains of a lot of the good people who reads this forum, how can you buy the crap he is saying?.

Anyways money is just to tell us that the only difference between us and the guys in construction work is that their blue uniform is single piece, ours has jacket and trouser.

Please open your eyes and see how far we are to been MANAGED not just guided as cattle.....

[Black Stain]

Pay Rise?? Yawn.....

You still have to live in Qatar right?

And you still have to work for those donkeys? Yes??

Back to sleep.....

[CEO PITA]

28 % on basic + 110 p/h for F/O
CEO knows he cant get pilots so he decided to increase salary since he cant change his attitude he can always change salary !

[loc22550]

well if he wants to attact and KEEP pilots (especially here in Doha:():easy we just need
-an attractive salary+benefits
-balanced and FAIR roster
-respect and consideration(we have private live ..as well,No MR AAB we are NOT here to be Qatar airways minded 24h/day and 365 days/year!!)
-Stop this kindergarden mentality, treat people like adults, not kids or slaves!
Should be easy....but not in this part of the world especially when it comes to human factor..:ugh:(last month i think around 300 c.c resigned...).

Mr AAB should known that all those people who resigned every year (hundreds..thousands..) they are not gone spread the good reputation of Q,A in their countries...and one day MR AAB you Will not find anybody to come to work here...
IF those fundamental problems are not solved i can´t imagine Q.A. still alive in 10..15 years..

[frankie777]

Having read all the posts here I thought that it could be another EK forum. Do not believe that things are any better in DXB. (alright perhaps the city has more going for it) We have all the same rostering issues. A total lack of integrity and support from the management and a rapidly decreasing lifestyle. I really hope you get your pay rise. I am sure you all deserve it.
Keep recovering.:eek:

[ramiyns]

Well, So far Qatar Airways been very lucky with attracting some pilots to come and join,for the moment they have enough Captains and sever shortage of FOs.Standerd been lowerd to attract more.

On the other hand,they still loosing pilots.If not the demice of Variq and If only the influx of the Samba pilots stops, Then the real problem will come to the surface.

It's amazing when you go in to the dipatch the only language we hear is Indian and Spanish.

When it comes to rostering, They have no sense of airmenship ,they are very rigid.They follow max duty and min rest hours on a regulare bases.
I think what we need a pilot in the rostring to feel the pinch when a pilot come from a max duty from far east followed be min rest and then to Euro Zone
Stop discovering cos you gona kill yourself.

[rduarte]

In Brazil you speak portuguese and not spanish.:hmm:

[Bat600]

demice of Variq :{:\

[ELLONNAGUN]

ALL PILOTS

NO MATTER WHAT NATIONALITY YOU ARE OR WHOM YOU ARE WORKING FOR. EVERY BODY IS TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST FOR HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY. SO FOR WHAT EVER REASON YOU DECIDED TO JOIN THIS X COMPANY RO THIS X COMPANY JUST MAKE THE BEST SUITABLE ENVIRONMENT TO COUNTERACT THE REASON YOU LEFT IN THE FIRST PLACE I.E IF YOU LEFT FOR BETTER PAY ( YOU MUST LEFT FOR A REASON) IF YOUR CURRENT CAREER IS PAYING MORE (hope so) OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN’T LEAVE !!!! SO LOOK AT THE POSITIVE SIDE ($$$$$) AND DON’T GET INVOLVE IN THE NEGATIVES:=, OTHERWISE YOU WILL NEVER BE HAPPY NETHER IN YOUR CAREER NOR IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE, WHERE THY ARE ALL THE SAME.

[Bat600]

Very nice! Congratulation! :D :ok:

[Black Stain]

Hey... Have you ever noticed how many Goat recruits, whom at the time of recruitment, were either unemployed or likely to become unemployed soon? Yeah... many. Desperate people will do anything to get a job, any job will do.

Vulture Tactics of Goat Recruiting are the only reason the airline has enough crew today.

Scavenging is the lowest form of existance. Further proof if you needed it that Goat is at the very bottom of the Employment Chain.


PS: Nothing wrong with unemployment, been there too. The issue is that Goat has no choice but to dine there every day.

[Cpt. off the hook]

Very well said black stain. The management is playing the guys by giving them all sorts of vain promises delaying everything hiring at the same time junk mentioned by you. Wouldn't surprise me to see a large number failing English test. Though QR might find a way around it as they bull**** on everything else.

[CEO PITA]

Crazy people ! Who care Indian or Latinos as long as i get a lot of money by the 31 st . If QR increase salry a lot i can even speak spanich ! lol lol

[loc22550]

I wish i can get a lot of money(i mean saving)..buth with the ridiculous high cost of life in this place called Doha(they think it´s Monaco or what....:ugh::ugh:)....it will become more and more difficult..

[togaluck]

Why do you ignorant people belive that a pilot from any other area than wherever the hell you are are worst pilots that you are?? pleaaase elaborate on your comments, give me some light, some facts! if you can!!
(just my 2 cents)

[Black Stain]

Togaluck, my comment was about the management practice of scavenging amongst the unemployed or desperate. Quality crew can be found speaking any language.

Conversely, ask yourself this question. How many pilots leave quality careers because the Goat is a beacon of excellence and a pillar of airmanship?? How many eh??

Is there anyone out there who would care to answer yes???

[undersiege]

I thought it was an Elk on the tail. But the goat sounds much better. I can see the advertising now...... "Come fly with us.... The flying GOAT.:E

[QTRminator]

A few days have passed now. No news from anywere, so it seams that someone is slightly over-optimistic or wrongly informed....
I think it NEEDS to happen within a couple of months though...

[Maverick]

Lets all be realistic.

Nothing will happen until the next fiscal year ( april ), even if there is something that might happen.

So Chill and Relax and enjoy flying till then.

Cheers!

Mav.

[CEO PITA]

28 % not bad at all ! Its duble than inflation rate of 14 % in Qatar .
And CEO is terminated soon .
Good news .
We are short of cap. and f/o s ? No i dont think so ! How many hours you fly ? 65-80 thats ok so we ar enot short of pilots at the moment .

[QTRminator]

Hope you're right PITA, but since the only source of that info is you everywere else it's dead quiet, I'm very doubtful.
Maybe we have a just about sufficient no of pilots at the moment(exept for creating good rosters and providing enough training of course) but with 27 777 coming in from next year, we'll need a lot more, just to keep floating, or maybe flying rather!

[loc22550]

I suspect CEO PITA being part (or at least in good relationship) with Qatar airways management...and just agitating a carrot in front of pilot´s noses, in order to prevent them from leaving the boat or at least to try to attract some pilots...Otherwise there is no need to repeat 10 times the same story....
But as said before money is an important factor, but it´s not everything!
Anyway in Qatar airways only believe what you see not what you heard.

[CEO PITA]

No need loc22550 becouse i see you are long time around so pilots are not leaving QR thay just talk "i will leave" but thay never do .

[loc22550]

First i never mentioned i was going to leave( i mean not right now...)...But pretending that pilots never resign from Q.A...that´s the biggest joke i have ever heard here....:O
Still don´t see the reason for you to repeat 10 time the same regarding salary increase...hope you don´t have the Alzheimer sickness...

[airwjo]

hi guys,
money increase hahahaha:{:ugh:
will never happen
and by the way money is not everything to keep people, they should think about rostering problems, personal life, life style blabla
and ceo pita: 2 friends of mine left, and i know more going to leave and THEY DO!!!!!! and we are not short of pilots? another joke, ask rostering and tell them we are not short of pilots, i wonna see their comment
merry xmas to all!!!
and take care
cheers:ok:

[Qatari515]

CEO Pita,

wherent you one of the guys who resigned, made a lot of fuzz about that, and than decided to withdraw that resignation because they promised you another shot at command?

Many guys tried to be brave and resigned, but our clever GMFO succeeded with many to have them rethink their decision. Promisses of upgrades where given very lightly, but so far none of them actually have been upgraded!

CEO fired.....well....where have we heard that before....

I do not think that radio show will change much about it. The chairman knows whats going on in QR. Only now, because it has been brought in the open, ha has to pretend to do something about it just to satisfy the local population. But realisticly nothing will happen.

The allowed the litlle man to become too powerfull, he took advantage of that and now they are stuck with him...

:sad:

[KRUGERFLAP]

:ok:i hope roster will change to better ,because they got a new Manager for Rostering. A very professional guy coming from Virgin Blue / Australia.They gave white letter for him to change everything! Lets give some credit for him!:O

Merry Christmas / Eid Mubarak

[CEO PITA]

I did resign am leaving in march to Etihad.
Etihad is giving command in less than 1 y and mix fleet A320/330 .
See you from FL 410 !

[oneeyeseeall]

IF AN AUSSIE COMMING TO FIX YOUR ROSTERNG PROBLEMS THINK AGAIN :mad:

[ramiyns]

I think, A CHANGE to the rostering staff has to be made.
It has reached a very low level of competence.

In almost every flight pilots are complaining about the route they fly and the number of hours they do, I have seen pilots with 100hr+ and another with 30hr+,and both are complaining.And NO,not high hours or on leave.

Enough is eonugh. It's getting very uckly:sad:

[loc22550]

Not only the amount of hours..but the way they arrange the roster is terrible, talking for example when you end up (mostly on 320) with 4 or 5 night flight in a raw with minimum (daytime) rest in Doha... the cockpit crew end up is a really sleep deprivation situation(Cpt AND F/O as both of them are usualy in the same type of cycle)..jeopardizing by the same time the safety of the flight!
But.."what to do what to do...it´s LEGAL sir..".....:ugh:
The only professional attitude for us i guess is to report unfit to fly....

[Bat600]

Merry christmas and all the very best for 2008 - may we all receive a HUGE payraise.:} :ok:

[9.G]

The timely pay rise is more dear
Than charming maidens in the field
And the dejected aspirations
They reawake in us with life
Thus sometimes separation's strife
Is livelier than gathering's occasions