Wartime Adverts

[Fishtailed]

I have recently been given a number of old books being thrown out of the local primary school. They must have been stashed away at the back of a cupboard, as they are ‘Aircraft of the Fighting Powers’, 5 volumes from 1941 to 45. They were school library books and as such are not in perfect condition. What interested me first are the trade and industry adverts
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Here are a few, I will post some more if anyone is interested.

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[chevvron]

I've got one or two of these I 'rescued' from various sources. There was a wartime copy of 'Jane's' I saw once which had a picture of a naked female in one of its trade ads!!
The Merlin advert is interesting in that it mentions Wellington and Whitley but not Lancaster and Mosquito, so that dates it to about 41 or 42 I reckon.

[windriver]

of a naked female in one of its trade ads!! - You mean this lady I presume.

It's the Helliwells Lady... she appeared in many aviation ads during the late thirties and forties....

http://www.aviationancestry.com/Helliwells-1-sm.jpg



http://www.aviationancestry.com/Helliwells-2-sm.jpg

... and in case you get the wrong idea and just for the record these just happen to be two of the several thousand aviation related ads in my collection.

[Seloco]

I wonder if she was called Gerri...............

Strange, isn't it, that one would probably not get away with that level of female nudity in a similar type of advert in today's PC world, and yet we are meant to be so much more broad-minded nowadays!

[sidtheesexist]

Fishtailed - thanks for sharing these with us - I for one, would be very interested in seeing more should you be inclined to find the time and post them. I love all this sort of stuff - I find the artwork particularly endearing - it's so 'childish' looking - maybe there's a specific name for this type of artwork from this era...........Anyway, thanks again. sid

[Fishtailed]

Sid,
Here are a few more. It's interesting to note the difference in styles from the early forties, (fighting the battles) such as the Keil Kraft ones, and those near the end of the war, looking to peace, and the future.
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[chevvron]

So busy studying the first Helliwells ad I've only just noticed it mentions 'Walsall Airport'. Never heard of that one.

[windriver]

'Walsall Airport'. Never heard of that one

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/airfields/Walsall.html

Fishtailed... Where did you find the Folland Ad - and what's the date of it.. It's not one I`ve seen before...
any chance of a copy?.. (please:))

[sidtheesexist]

Fishtailed - thanks again! The Auster ad is interesting - made by Taylorcraft but the ad is by Accles and Pollock Ltd - I'm v confused! Also, the RAF a/c, whether real or fictitious, never have Sqdn codes............

[llanfairpg]

Helliwells were also at Castle Bromwich and involved with Spifire preperation, I had the privellege of meeting their Chief Engineer once.

Eric Bott who operated the maintenace at BHX till around 1980 (Eric Bott Aviation Services) also worked for Helliwells.

Walsall was regularly used by TI's Dove ans I seem to rember there were a few light aircraft flying out of there in the 60s.

Butler Lamps were owned by Lucas,

[GHNRY]

Accles & Pollock were (are?) manufacturers of high quality steel tubes - from which the Taylorcraft and Austers were constructed.

They also made a series of fine steel bows (archery) in the '50s.

Sorry - wrong title - should be in answer to Sid.

[llanfairpg]

A & P made a great many more articles than that

In 1896 James George Accles was originally a gunsmith, trading as Accles Ltd at Holford Mills, Perry Bar, Birmingham. He diversified into general engineering, and the cycle and engineering department made 600 bicycles a week along with tubing, weaving machines, boot stitching machines and cartridge cases.

[computer jockey]

Love the AVO ad. When I were a lad, just starting me electronics engineering training, the college had AVOmeters just like that. Must have been about the same vintage and I can still recall the unusual bakelite "smell". Or was it the smell of dusty old electronics?

[Fishtailed]

Windriver,
The books from where these ads came is'Aircraft of the fighting Powers' published annually by the Harborough Publishing company. The first one I have is Vol 2 from 1941. Do you want a paper copy or an electronic one, you could download from this page I think. here are the last of the present batch scanned, with many more to do.
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[chevvron]

Having just seen todays News of the World, I can confirm the Bare fact that the Helliwell Girl and Gerri are NOT the same - if you can keep a-Breast of my meaning.

[windriver]

Fishtailed... The books from where these ads came is'Aircraft of the fighting Powers' published annually by the Harborough Publishing company. The first one I have is Vol 2 from 1941. Do you want a paper copy or an electronic one, you could download from this page I think. here are the last of the present batch scanned, with many more to do

Thanks I could save from this page... but for my folder I need one in a higher resolution and unprocessed if possible - I don`t want to put you to any trouble though.... but I will swap it for another 5 of the Helliwells Lady:)

[mustpost]

What worries me is that I have two of these unbuilt kits (and sundry instruments shown in the ads) in the attic - no not selling no ebay etc, but I'm having a good talk to myself..:O

[Blacksheep]

That AVO advert and the Smiths Instruments bring back such memories. I always reckoned the Model 40 was the best of the series. I could still run a S.S.T. on any of those Smiths instruments too, with or without the relevant AP - but don't tell the Inspectorate!

Good heavens, its quite scary to realize that one has become a walking piece of aviation history and nostalgia.

[parabellum]

It has been about twelve years since I last managed to get my hands on a Keil Kraft kit, anyone know a source please?

[VnV2178B]

May I point out the the AVO is still a respected and used instrument today.
Only five minutes ago, as I came into work, I passed the laboratory area here and there are AVO mk. 8s a plenty between the logic analysers and PCs.

Somewhere about I have a copy of 'Britain's Wonderful Air Force' a WW2 book which has some intriguing stuff: no Mosquito I think it's too early for that but a trainer 'in widespread service' called the Owlet - I could only a record of one of these being impressed into the RAF - which was said to have an unusual 'reverse-tricycle' undercarriage.

I will try to scan some pages if anyone cares!

VnV

[S'land]

It has been about twelve years since I last managed to get my hands on a Keil Kraft kit

You are lucky, the last time I saw a Keil Kraft kit I think we still had gas lamps. :bored:

I remember making the Lysander model (my favourite aircraft when I were but a boy - don't ask me why), fantastic!

Do they still exist?

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

Lysanders or Kiel Kraft?

[GHNRY]

Quite often, Keil Kraft kits come up on a well known e-trading forum; also short kits are produced by a UK manufacturer. I have just ordered a KK Competitor to relive a part of my younger life.:)

[S'land]

Lysanders or Kiel Kraft?

Kiel Kraft - ain't seen a good old Lysander flying for quite afew years:rolleyes:.

[RETDPI]

Lysanders or Kiel Kraft?
Kiel Kraft - ain't seen a good old Lysander flying for quite afew years:rolleyes:.



Then may I suggest you consider visiting the Shuttleworth collection at Old Warden ( near Bedford) on one of their flying days?

[S'land]

'twas there that I last saw one. Problem is that I no longer seem able to coincide my trips back to the UK with the flying days at Old Warden.

As a point of interest I used to live in Old Warden when I was six years old, went to the local village school an' all (closed now so I am told).

[RETDPI]

It's the only one currently going I gather.
I was also less than 15 miles from OW when you were there as a lad and used to cycle over at weekends from time to time from Stopsley and talk my way in, using young age as a weapon!
Allan Wheeler was then the Boss -innocent and happy days :).

[S'land]

Yes, it's funny, but we never seemed to have to pay to go into the collection. Children always were around. I think that with such a small village everyone knew everyone else and appeared to conspire to keep us out of trouble by giving us the opportunity to learn about things that were not taught in school.

I could always get in, but could not take my dog. Shame that, the dog went everywhere else with me.

As you say RETDPI, innocent and happy days:).

[Sedbergh]

Ackles & Pollock (aka "Shackles & Bollocks") also apparently built the steel frame for Donald Campbell's K7 Bluebird (the boat) - half an inch out of true!:sad:

see www.bluebirdproject.com - definitely a wonderful restoration job!:ok:

[VnV2178B]

Sedbergh,
you remind me of another set of advertisements in Flight from Accles and Pollock where they listed various versions of their name, claiming to be taken from letters written to them - the only one I can remember was 'Freckles and Sunspot', anyone else recall this?
VnV

[Fishtailed]

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[S'land]

Thanks, FISHTAILED, a super pic.

Still don't know why I liked the Lysander so much as a kid (and still do).

[windriver]

Nice ad Fishtailed....

As a youngster I always imagined the Lysander was a bit like a big Cessna 172.... It came as a surprise to see the size of one in the flesh...

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

Interestingly, Westlands seem to have printed the Lizzie picture back to front.

[Fishtailed]

Well spotted GBZ, I only noticed that after posting it on here.
Windriver, they are big in the flesh, aren't they.

[motherbird]

I've a Salisbury paper dated Sept 29 1988 which reported that a restored Lysander, an ex Canadian machine, was flown into Old Sarum (my fathers flew Lysanders from there in 1941) The pilot was Mike Holloway who was flying the plane for the owner Brian Woodford in Dorset.

Anybody know if he still has it?

Also my father knew a George Holloway who ditched in the English Channel. My father was flying Spitfires and Hurricanes by this time

I wonder if he was a relative This was his entries in his diary....

30th August 1943 Hartford Bridge
The C/O Mackie and George Holloway went on a Rhubarb to do a bit of train busting and they attacked two trains which were passing each other. They then turned for home. Ten miles out from the French coast at Il Vierge they were bounced by 6 Fw190s which came from astern out of the clouds. They broke away but were pursued by the Fw190s. Mackie radioed to Holloway to climb for the cloud to escape, but Holloway’s aircraft was hit in the engine and starboard wing. George called to say that he was bailing out, after a head on attack with a 109. Mackie thought that George was probably too low and hoped that he would to ditch in the drink instead. Mackie reached cloud cover and circled for a while, giving out a Mayday fix then, low on fuel, he had to return to base.

2nd September 1943 Exeter - Hartford Bridge
At 7.45 we heard that 610 squadron has spotted a dinghy 64 miles out and were circling it. 4 aircraft, Mackie, Davis, Martin and I took off immediately to relieve 610. 40 miles out we overtook the Air Sea Rescue Walrus that had been sent out. We found several Spits, guarding George. The Spitfires were very short of fuel and returned. After dropping fluorescence, two of us circled the dinghy and the other two patrolled up-sun at sea-level. We watched as the Walrus landed and saw George climb into to seaplane. 8 Typhoon and a Hudson also arrived. The Walrus damaged one float as it took off in the choppy sea.



They flew back to Exeter safely I Holloway spent 66 hours in the sea.he said he said that dingy drill in the muddy puddle wasn't much of a preparation for the real thing!


Any info would be fantastic on either plane or pilot.


Motherbird

[GotTheTshirt]

Fishtailed
Miles Marathon !!!
Now there was machine:rolleyes:
We upgraded to these from Rapides at Derby Aviation;)
Of course eventually superceded by the DC3's:)
We had 3 of them that came from West African Airways Corporation.
Derby Aviation named the aircraft after Dales with Daks begining with D (Darley Dale, Derwent Dale, Dove Dale etc) and Marathons begining with M ( Matlock Dale, Monsal Dale, Millers Dale etc)
When the last Marathon was in the paint shop some wit put Mrs Dale on the nose :}

[GotTheTshirt]

Many years ago Sabena retirees were rebuilding a Lysander in Brussels.
They had a corner of a Hanger and as ex-Sabena employees they ahd access to all Sabena facilities on a "when not in use" basis.
Dont know what happened to the aircraft but it was well established when I saw it.
As some one said they were a big machine:)

[treadigraph]

Brian Woodford's Lizzie has apparently gone to the USA. It had a lot of problems with the engine until ARCO spotted a flaw. Then it flew brilliantly!

The Sabena Old Timers Lizzie (http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1000620/) flew for a few years but suffered accident damage and is now being rebuilt for a second time.

Think there is also a flyer in Canada.

Duxofrd had a formation of three (Woodford, SOT and Shuttleworth) on several occasions - plus the Blenheim and Gladiator, at the time all of the world's airworthy Mercurys I'd suggest (the Finnish Gauntlet has a P&W or Wright engine I believe).

[Africrash]

Hi

Yes the ex Woodford Lysander has gone to the USA, sold to Kermit Weekes if I remember right. It had a trail of engine problems during it's time in the UK, including several in flight failures, even ending up inverted in a field on a test flight on one occasion.

Brian also had a Storch, the german equivalent I guess which made an interesting comparison! the Storch lived at his home strip at Chalmington Manor, but the Lysander was not able to use the short strip there and lived at Henstridge with the Rapide and Dragonfly.

T

[diesel addict]

Finnish 'Gauntlet' has, I believe, a Leonides........

[RETDPI]

Indeed it has.

[motherbird]

Thanks for info about lysander :)
Guess if I want to take a photo a holiday is called for.

Motherbird.

[Fishtailed]

VnV
Show us your Owlets;)

[Jhieminga]

Yes the ex Woodford Lysander has gone to the USA, sold to Kermit Weekes if I remember right. It had a trail of engine problems during it's time in the UK, including several in flight failures, even ending up inverted in a field on a test flight on one occasion.
I remember reading something on this aircraft in a Darrol Stinton book, it mentioned that it was basically a replica aircraft as so many new material had gone into it but also said something about the cause of one of its mishaps. I cannot remember what that was though!

I saw the aircraft in Florida in 2002, in bits then, don't know if it has flown there yet. The OW Lizzie is the one to bet on if you want to see a flyer in the near future I guess.

[treadigraph]

Jhiemenga, I think Darrol was flying it when it ended up inverted in the field after the engine quit. Doug Arnold owned it at that stage I think.

I'm sure the problem proved to be something daft like a vital component of the engine being installed incorrectly.

Diesel/Retdpi, thanks for info, at least it's an British engine. I like Leonides!