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Sikpupi
1st Dec 2007, 23:43
OMG...yes... my 12 yr old wants a Drum Kit for Xmas!!!!

Any advice on this ???? I live in a Street in a Town and don't have a huge amount of space..so it will be in his room!! Also...not sure how it will affect the neighbours.

He is not a really outgoing person..so will never be going to be the frontman of a Jimmy Hendrix on a guitar or a Bono with the singing..but has a real interest in music and maybe this is his chance to 'play' in the background ...me thinks!!!!!!

Have tried to push him towards the piano/organ etc or even a wind instrument ,,,but no joy. HE WANT DRUMS!!!

Help.....or should I be the encouraging Dad and throw caution to the wind!!!

Maybe he could be the next Buddy Rich!!! or even (nooooooooo!!!!) Phil Collins!!

Sikky

mrsurrey
1st Dec 2007, 23:51
Sounds like fun. Perhaps practice pads are the solution? - http://www.jhs.co.uk/softapads.html







p.s. of course you get to play them when he goes to school ;)

srobarts
1st Dec 2007, 23:56
We have a 15yr old who is heavily into his music, mainly guitar but he also wants a drum kit. We have bought him a roll-up drum kit that plugs into the USB port of his PC. If he develops from that we will probably get him one of the Yamaha Drum machines - the electronic drums have the virtue of being compact and can be played on headphones - protects the sanity of the rest of the household.
Good luck

Mallan
2nd Dec 2007, 00:01
We brought our lad, now 13 a drum kit a couple of years ago. Not to be played befor 1000 and not after 1800. No complaints from the neighbours as yet.

mini
2nd Dec 2007, 00:02
Have you considered the possibility of refusing his request?

Or do I come from a different era... :ok:

Paracab
2nd Dec 2007, 00:20
Get him the drums, but only in the garage or somewhere else suitable (ie the moon). Wish I'd been allowed to carry on.

BlueDiamond
2nd Dec 2007, 00:22
Have you considered the possibility of refusing his request?
That's the option that many parents will not even consider, though. :(

If you do go ahead, practice pads will remove the problem of excess noise and reasonable times could be set for playing the drums themselves.

Just as an aside ... I don't think I would have dared to ask for such an expensive present, Sikpupi ... does your son have any idea what he is asking of you?

Perhaps, like mini, I come from a different era ....

mrsurrey
2nd Dec 2007, 00:28
jeez you're a harsh bunch - 200-300 would cover it easily and they're quiet if practice pads are used :ok:

matt_hooks
2nd Dec 2007, 00:44
Have you noticed him growing excess body hair and developing a taste for banana's?

Drumming! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol_2z3AcSbA)

Sorry, couldn't resist a chance to post that, I love it! :E

But yes, an electronic version will save the sanity of yourselves and the neighbours.

Maybe you could also/instead invest in drum lessons, either at school or outside, that way he would also get to experience the "real thing" and have a chance to develop his talents.

Sikpupi
2nd Dec 2007, 00:59
...A 5-piece set cost Eur299 over here. Not unreasonable as his only request for a Xmas present from his parents ! An Xbox is Eur349 - a BMX is Eur300++...thats the normal 'entry' present these days....!!! 12 year old boys don't play cowboys and indians any more.....and not many parents around here remember waking up on Xmas morning to an Orange as their present!! We are in the consumer age.....everything is to be had in your local store. !!

You see...I want him to get an interest in music..... I feel it is a good outlet for kids - especially in their teens....rather have him practicing for some 'school gig' than hanging on street corners!
Must say.. I am not 100% up for the idea. He has asked and I've replied in the fatherly way "we'll see, Son". Non committal - thats me!!!
Sikky

Howard Hughes
2nd Dec 2007, 01:19
Finally a subject I can comment on with some authority!:ok:

Not sure how far your budget stretches, but may I suggest you buy him a Gretsch Catalina Jazz kit. From what I can find on the internet they sell for just under 500 quid in the UK. The reason I suggest this kit is three fold, firstly the quality is excellent and will last him, even if he takes his passion pro at some stage, Charlie Watts has played the exact same kit for around 30 years now!

Being a Jazz kit the drum sizes are smaller and it will take up less room! Don't let him get swayed by the modern rock acts who have ridiculous 26" bass drums, an 18" Gretsch bass puts out a kick arse thump!

Finally Gretsch quality is second to none, all their kits come with good quality skins they will last a long time and produce a great sound, as someone said earlier, invest in a set of practice pads and the neighbours won't even know he has a kit.

Make sure he gets lessons, as boring as they may seem to young uns it is important to have a good grounding in musical knowledge, I didn't and I am now taking lessons to unlearn all my bad playing habits!

Finally whatever you do, don't let him click on cymbalholics.com (http://www.cymbalholic.com/) otherwise your wallet will be empty forever, just ask Mrs hughes!;)

On the subject of cymbals, don't even bother with brass, they will be cracked within months! Try to get bronze cymbals and if you can afford it cymbals made of B20 alloy. If you buy good quality second hand cymbals they will retain their value, you may even make a profit, I have sold a number of cymbals for more than I paid for them.:E

Good luck, HH.:ok:

stokieboy
2nd Dec 2007, 07:26
Bought my lad one last year, with the proviso of timing considerations re neighbours and my shift pattern. He's got better but not by much tbh. I can usually manage 15 mins or so of the house working itself to the earths core then resort to the tradition of the bellowing of "Daaaavvvvvviiiiiiddddd" at ever increasing volume til he desists, and goes back to more typical teenage activities, msn, playstation and eating us out of house and home.
My daughter wants an electric guitar for xmas. "It'll be like the White Stripes" said Mrs SB. No it won't. Anything like them.

tony draper
2nd Dec 2007, 08:46
Another thing to consider is the novelty wearing off factor, yer Teen has a very short enthusiasm span, of all chrisy presents that swiftly end up untouched gathering dust in various cupboards musical instruments are the most common,(there are those that would argue that yer drums is not actually a musical instrument)and yer drum kit takes up just as much room as a dust gatherer as it did as a noise maker.
:rolleyes:

G-CPTN
2nd Dec 2007, 09:10
Ya can't beat the clarionet (sic) for being a compact (and mellow) instrument.
Getting onto a bus with a drum kit tends to be problematical.

BRL
2nd Dec 2007, 09:24
Hi. Have a look at something like this Electronic Drum Kit (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/iED01-Electronic-Drum-Kit-By-Ion-iED-01-Drumkit_W0QQitemZ170172177363QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38097QQtcZph otoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

This will give you more room and you can also plug a set of headphones into them and listen that way. No practise pads needed!!!!

He can use them for a while and see if it is for him, if he goes off the idea of drumming then these are easily re-sold and hold their price well.

Get him a selection of sticks to try, light ones to use on the electric kit and med/heavy ones for a real kit. I used to love using the heaviest sticks possible, still got one from years ago here, a Zildjian 'Rock' in red!!!!! It is like holding a baseball bat, it's massive, just dug it out to have a look.

Nowdays I prefer to use a lighter stick, must be me age or something but I love using light 5B's or 4A's, much easier on the old wrist.

Let us know what you decide to get for him... :)

Howard Hughes
2nd Dec 2007, 09:37
Only problem with electronic drum kits is they tend to cover up flaws in technique! That is probably good for the people who are listening early on, but not good for long term development.

Get an acoustic kit to begin with.:ok:

BRL
2nd Dec 2007, 09:46
HH. If he is just starting out then I can't see a problem with him using an eleccy one or a normal one. Same principle, kick drum, hi-hat snare and toms just a lot quieter.

To be honest I would rather see an eleccy one get battered whilst practising then an traditional one if you get what I mean!!!

Gotta look after these old kits eh!!!!!! :D

Ivor_Novello
2nd Dec 2007, 13:10
Roland V-Drums a bit more expensive but they sound great

www.thomann.de (http://www.thomann.de) usually have the best deals and free delivery

Blacksheep
2nd Dec 2007, 14:07
A drum kit isn't much use without a band to play it in. Does he have any mates with music in their veins? My own experience is that after a few glasses, my rythm goes to hell and I need a drummer. The other drunken bums at the bar don't notice and their singing is out of tune anyhow, but we musical types need a drummer to lay down the beat. Drumming on its own leaves a lot to be desired but good music needs drums.

Sikpupi
2nd Dec 2007, 14:33
BlackSheep....he is only 12 yrs old. No band thoughts yet but hopefully he should be in pole position come his mid-teens when bands usually get together. I know all the local schools have Music as a major subject and this regular monthly inhouse 'gigs' in front the rest of the school.

His older sister is 15yr and is into the guitar and is in the Church Choir. School Music and Town Music Society. However...she has Eric Claptons fingers (long and boney) and never had problem with chords. She has a great outlet with the music...and hopefully she will help him along!

Sikky

HOGE
2nd Dec 2007, 15:52
You say you can get a kit for 299 euros. That is very cheap, but I bet it would have a resale value of bugger all! If you son is serious, you would be better off buying a second hand "quality" kit. It will last longer, sound better, and have a better trade in/ resale price.

The only other advice I can offer is to tell him to get lessons, play with anybody to get used to being in a band, and don't play the drums in the evening, or on sunny days! I would hate the sound of drums reverberating from someone's house when sitting in the garden, and I play the bloody things!

frostbite
2nd Dec 2007, 17:15
I used to play drums with the Glenn Miller Band.


in the backround, on my record player.

DeeCee
2nd Dec 2007, 17:25
Look at a Traps kit

http://www.trapsdrums.com/

They are owned by the great Bob Henrit and sound excellent.

Howard Hughes
2nd Dec 2007, 20:09
I used to play drums with the Glenn Miller Band.
In the early days I used to play for Elvis, these days I just play with myself! (so to speak):eek:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Howard3200/DSC01001.jpg

Of course the good thing about being a grown up is, you can buy whatever the hell you like, with the Mrs permission of course...;)

bnt
2nd Dec 2007, 20:10
If I was buying a kit for a kid, it would have to be something I'd want to play too. Since I live in a cramped flat, with neighbours on three sides, it would have to be something like the Roland HD-1 (http://www.roland.co.uk/drum_roomnews.asp?ID=164).
http://www.roland.co.uk/prodimages1%5Chd1med.jpg
However, I'm still a bit haunted by the way Steve Carell was hammering on his V-Drums kit in The 40-Year-Old Virgin. :sad:

TheDesertFerret
2nd Dec 2007, 20:24
Christmas 1975 - aged 6.

What is my biggest pressie that was so large it could not be wrapped and had to be secreted away in a bin-bag?

'twas a junior drum kit (joy of joys - exactly what I wanted).

Alas - 48 hours into thrashing away at my favourite contemporary classics (The Sweet - CoCo/Poppa Joe etc, ) eldest brother "The Phantom of Acres Hall" has a "go" with my drum kit at another classic bibulous and eclectic seasonal Pudsey soiree as chez ferrets.

After him and his mates (aged 21+) knocking out Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and the Pink Fairies greatest hits my drum skins were no more and my nascent percussionist career over before it was born.

I temporarily turned to alternative percussion and brought the house down at Lowtown and Junior Infant School Xmas fayre with my fine performance of Albert Barraclough's "Adagio for Triangle" but alas the damage was done.

Age 6 and a half I never again tried to play a musical instrument.

DeeCee
2nd Dec 2007, 21:57
Howard,

Blimey, have you got enough cymbals? I presume that the gong is out of shot.......

G-CPTN
2nd Dec 2007, 22:31
I wasn't tall enough to play the drums.
At infants' school, when the line-up for the pincushion band was established, those allocated to play the drums had to stand at the back and therefore were selected from the taller pupils, and, being of small stature I was denied the opportunity, despite my protestations that I really wanted to play the drums (and stand next to Marilyn - my heart-throb) I was relegated to the front row and required to play the melody on a triangle . . .
Such has been my life ever since.
Marilyn married the High School music teacher . . .

G-CPTN
2nd Dec 2007, 22:36
At High School I drowned my sorrows by joining the Trad Jazz band where I played five-string banjo . . .

Loose rivets
3rd Dec 2007, 01:03
Awww...G-CAPT that is a sad story.

But that's what school was like in those days. In 'Free Choice." I sooooooo wanted to spend time in the Radio lessons in the Science lab. I didn't get in on that for another 3 months, but did however get second choice of drama...where I was given a big slobbery kiss by what turned out to be a gay boy.

gingernut
3rd Dec 2007, 01:15
b d'ya think def lep, led zep, and ozzy asked for permission from next door?

Go for it kidda' buy the old bids an ABBA cd, play the beat to Dancing Queen, bit of a Tina Charles follow up, and then GIVE IT SOME.



and never go into medicine no'matter what your folks say, rock n'll roll is more profatable:)

Farrell
3rd Dec 2007, 03:46
The problem with practice pads is that there is no fun drumming.

It will also drive anyone else mental as it is a constant banging sound with no tune to it!

If you have the money, you can get him a set of electronic drums. They are now so good that even the stick feedback is amazing and he can just plug in a set of headphones and you'll be none the wiser.

They are not as expensive as you imagine. The Yamaha ones that I am after are for sale here in the Middle East for 300 Rials which works out at around 400 quid.

He will probably be reluctant at first but after a day he'll be amazed at them. He also can add pads in to increase his kit size at a fraction of the cost of acoustic drums.

Talk with him about it and then before he kicks up, bring him in for a demo and watch his face!

c-bert
3rd Dec 2007, 08:41
I've got a Roland TD-6 (1300 :uhoh:) which is almost as good as the real thing and certainly a lot quiter, almost silent in fact.

Howard Hughes
3rd Dec 2007, 08:41
Howard,

Blimey, have you got enough cymbals? I presume that the gong is out of shot.......
OK I admit it, I'm a Cymbalholic (http://www.cymbalholic.com/)!!:ok:

TabbyCat
3rd Dec 2007, 09:23
I have quickly trawled the posts on this subject as I have had the same with my boy (about to be 10) and I took the slightly different tack of getting him some lessons first with a good teacher - and see how he gets on - as its not really just a case of bashing away (is it?!!).

Anyway he is getting on really well (after a couple of months of lessons) and perhaps next year I might get him his own set. (He also plays piano and recorder).

TC.

P.S. If we do buy some I will check back on all the recommendations thanks folks!

Howard Hughes
3rd Dec 2007, 20:43
Actually a very smart and worthwhile post Tabby!:ok:

But if I may have the last word, or two...;)

DON'T BUY HIM AN ELECTRONIC DRUM KIT!!:rolleyes:

DeeCee
3rd Dec 2007, 21:25
How do you know when a drummer is knocking on your door - the knocking gets faster.

How do you know when a singer is knocking on your door - they don't know when to come in.

Cowboy to Big Chief - what happens when drums stop?
Big Chief - Bass solo!

Er, that's it.........

garp
3rd Dec 2007, 21:25
DON'T BUY HIM AN ELECTRONIC DRUM KIT!!

Can you elaborate ? I'm 12 hours away from ordering a Roland TD3 or 6KW.

Howard Hughes
3rd Dec 2007, 21:40
As I said earlier in the post, they are great for those who are listening, but are not good for beginners, as they tend to mask erorrs in technique. The best way to learn good technique is on an accoustic kit or with a set of practice pads. Tabby has the right idea, find a good teacher, get lessons and then make up your/your childs mind.

If the elctronic kit is for you and you are experienced then go for it. I have used a number of electronic kits and they are great, but very easy to use, almost anyone could be hammering out a rif within ten minutes, sadly this will not develop good technique, hard work is all that will do that!

May I suggest seeking out a reputable teacher in your area and asking their opinion before proceeding. Don't just take my word for it, but I suspect that any decent drum teacher will tell you, not to get one for a child who is just starting out.

Cheers, HH.:ok:

goudie
3rd Dec 2007, 21:41
Recently I bought my grandson a drumkit. His mother tells me it's very noisy, even with him playing in the garage. Thankfully he lives in California, I live in Hertfordshire.

MadsDad
3rd Dec 2007, 22:40
What you really want to be is the Wicked Uncle who buys the 3 year old nephew/niece a tin drum for Xmas.

Best starter known for a family feud.

G-CPTN
3rd Dec 2007, 23:28
Just bought a drum for my 7 month old grandson :E :-
https://ssl5.lon.gb.securedata.net/justchildsplay.co.uk/resources/res.aspx/ProductImage/productImage/1688/LF1395_-_DRUM.jpg
http://www.leapfroguk.com/do/findproduct;jsessionid=95F1B5A55089AE08736B594E79071DCC?id=b ilearndrum_uken

garp
4th Dec 2007, 06:28
As I said earlier in the post, they are great for those who are listening, but are not good for beginners, as they tend to mask erorrs in technique. The best way to learn good technique is on an accoustic kit or with a set of practice pads. Tabby has the right idea, find a good teacher, get lessons and then make up your/your childs mind.

If the elctronic kit is for you and you are experienced then go for it. I have used a number of electronic kits and they are great, but very easy to use, almost anyone could be hammering out a rif within ten minutes, sadly this will not develop good technique, hard work is all that will do that!

May I suggest seeking out a reputable teacher in your area and asking their opinion before proceeding. Don't just take my word for it, but I suspect that any decent drum teacher will tell you, not to get one for a child who is just starting out.

Cheers, HH.

Much obliged.

Garp

Francis Frogbound
4th Dec 2007, 11:02
Get the lad the drum kit. I bought my eldest godson a kit for his 13th. He's now 22 and plays with a really good band as well as filling in with my jazz group when our regular drummer is strapped into his 757.

FF

DeeCee
4th Dec 2007, 13:03
Playing real drums is different to playing an electronic kit. The way that you hit the skins and the response, including the way that the stick bounces, makes all the difference.

If you think that he's half serious about wanting to play the drums, get him a real kit. I don't know where you are, but try to find a drum specialist rather than the local shop that does everything. The drum specialist will give you good advice based on loads of experience dealing with beginners.

c-bert
4th Dec 2007, 13:13
Sorry guys but the difference these days between a good electronic kit and an acoustic kit are minimal. I own an electric kit (Roland with mesh heads) and have lessons on an acoustic and whilst there is a difference, it is by no means massive.
Gone are the days of only being able to get solid rubber heads that don't behave anything like a drum skin. :ok:

bnt
4th Dec 2007, 16:26
I think you'd need to be fairly advanced before the difference in pads becomes noticeable. You don't need a real snare drum to develop proper snare rudiments (http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments.html), for example: that's impractical for any drummer, and pros use practice pads where a kit is unavailable (hotel room, bus etc.).

Howard Hughes
4th Dec 2007, 18:47
It isn't about the difference in the bounce of the varied surfaces, I mean you can learn to play with a pair of sticks and a desktop! The thing is electronic kits make you sound better than you are! They mask any flaws in technique, which when kids are concerned, means they may slack off when really they should be practcing harder!

I am not anti electronic kits, just anti them for beginners, much fun can be had with an electronic kit!:ok:

WG774
4th Dec 2007, 20:04
He is not a really outgoing person..so will never be going to be the frontman of a Jimmy Hendrix on a guitar or a Bono with the singing..but has a real interest in music and maybe this is his chance to 'play' in the background ...me thinks!!!!!!

The funny thing about being proficient on an instrument is that it can turn a real shrinking violet into the heart and soul of the party. Some of the wildest musicians are pretty introverted off-stage.

Getting him to play an instrument could do him the world of good, not to mention the fact that, in later life, it could be handy as, (for reasons I cannot fathom...) women go weak at the knees for drummers!

My advice is to find a decent second-hand kit. As has been said already, the resale value on a cheap kit will be nothing - not to mention the fact that a decent instrument gives one more inspiration to practice.

I couldn't disagree more about the quality of electronic kits btw - they're nothing like the real thing at all, regardless of how sophisticated they get in terms of dynamic resolution, or timbral variation.

I regard an electronic drum kit in the same way as I regard a synthesiser: it's an instrument in its own right, don't try to get it to sound like the real thing, enjoy its 'otherworldly' quality. The problem is when synthesisers try and sound like real instruments...then you get the piped-music-from-hell effect... This applies to all sampled or modelled instruments IMHO.

WG774
4th Dec 2007, 20:09
Check this out: Google Video (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=apartment+drummers&total=45&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3)

:)

Sikpupi
4th Dec 2007, 21:31
WG.... thanks for the comments!! Thats the point of the excercise.....I think it will do him the world of good in later years!!!!
Electronic vs Acoustic.....all good arguments above...but am tending towards the acoustic as a starter kit!!! When he is up and running and wants to expand and is really into the whole drum thing... then the TRAP drums as listed earlier are an option for him on the move!!!
Am going to the Republic of Cork (Irelands real Capital) on the weekend and plan to take him into one of the musical shop (Jeffers) and get a good feel of his enthusiam for the drums. Also hope to get some advice and who knows....maybe pick up a good set of 2nd Hand Quality Drums.
Then.... Lessons are a must as recommended above which I am currently looking into. AND FINALLY.....those 'silencer' pads are a definite to keep me from strangling him on my bad days!!!
Thanks to all who replied.......this is a GREAT FORUM!!
Sikky
PS...is it too early to say Happy Christmas All????? Too late...just said it!!

harrogate
4th Dec 2007, 22:35
For what it's worth...

... I'm a pro drummer. Had 4 record deals and toured around the place. I'm kind of retired from drumming now in that I only play for fun these days, so I guess I'm a former pro drummer.

The electronic kits can be really good. Most have textured mesh heads now that give a fairly authentic response on the stick, and thus an authentic feel in general.

I think it's important to distinguish today's electronic kits from the 80's types - like the Simmons, with the classic hexagonal design - because these days, the electronic kits know their place. They're not trying to replace the acoustic drum, they're more about adding a new dimension to drumming. Lots of drummers - myself included - have succesfully integrated triggers and electronic pads into their traditional acoustic set ups, and it can work really well.

I honestly think that electronic kits are a very good way to learn. They're practical and they can give a surprisingly authentic experience to newcomers and seasoned pros. From experience, I believe that moving from electronic to acoustic helps you appreciate the acoustic more, whereas when you come from the other direction you're not so wowed, because no matter how good the electronic kit, the various inflections, intricacies and overall versatility of acoustic kits will never be surpassed by an electronic kit. You'll be underwhelmed, no matter what.

I really, really recommend electronic kits. If you were going to spend a lot of money on one, then I wouldn't even consider the Yamaha - go for Roland every time. Incredible technology and infinitely better than the Yamaha.

As for a cracking budget kit,then this is a really, really good buy:

http://www.soundcontrol.co.uk/mod_1/pages/mod_1.12/pages/mod_1.12.1/pages/mod_1.12.1.1/pages/index.php?sku=1.1.13.3.2-200-13&ms=true

I've played on one of these recently, and I was surprised at just how good it was for the price. Really good fun and really good value. Most importantly, though, it's a brilliant way to learn.

Nothing can surpass an acoustic kit, but like I said before, I really recommend moving to an acoustic kit after learning on one of these. I think it'd make your lad a btter drummer.

If you want any more tips or info, send me a PM. I'm self-taught - I learned by looking and listening. Going down the electronic route early-on is a very good way of determining whether or not you're cut out to play drums. It's a fact that some people just cannot get the hang of it. This kit will hold its price very well compared to an acoustic which will scratch and chip, so if your lad bins the idea, then you'll get good money back.

harrogate
4th Dec 2007, 22:55
PS - for learning technique, the mesh heads on modern electronic kits are arguably better than acoustic skins. I'm in no doubt about this whatsoever. Whenever I struggle with something, I go straight to the electronic kit to work on the technique and then I take it back to the acoustic to perfect it.
The response you get from the electronic kit heads really helps your technique. I'm absolutely positive about it.

For the record, I'm a traditionalist and it took me a long, long time to come round to the idea of using an electronic kit, and then even longer to actually admit to myself that they're actually of any benefit. Many of my friends (plenty of which are drummers in bands you know well) are of the same opinion.

I played T-in-the-Park festival in Scotland a few years back, and Roland had an exhibition tent set up in the 'artists only' area behind the main stage. Just about every drummer playing at the festival had a blast on the Roland kit, together with other band members chipping in on the various other demo instruments at our disposal, c/o all the manufacturers. There must've been 3 or 4 dozen 'ad hoc' bands formed in that tent over the course of the weekend: Dave Grohl playing with Kaiser Chiefs, James Brown's drummer playing with Bloc Party, Ronnie from The Killers playing with just about anyone who came along (he hogged the kit!) and Roland must've seen their orders and pro-endorsee list go through the roof in the days afterwards.

Much of the chat (in the FREE artists beer tent) later was about the virtues of electronic kits and there was a general consensus (apart from the guy from a band called Interpol, who was a serious 'non believer') that they are a genuinely good thing and a great learning tool. The non-drummers amongst us agreed and were blown away by the electronic kit.

As for electronic kits making you sound better than you are... maybe. But there's no harm in that. Like I said before - you can nail your technique on one of these kits, and then take it to an acoustic kit to perfect it. When you're learning, it's good not to be distracted by a poorly tuned kit, or even the inferior sound of a cheap kit - some cheap kits sound awful, to the extent that it's dis-heartening. The electronic kits take that element out of the equation and let you really focus hard on your technique.

The built in click tracks (timing tracks) are very good for learning timing and patterns too. Really handy to have. As for instructors not endorsing electronic kits, well I'm self-taught but, I've got a lot of pals who instruct either full-time or on the side as a second income (it's tough making money as a drummer!), and I can honestly say that the majority of them embrace the new generation electronic kits. To say that practising technique on a pad is better than on an electronic kit is nonsense, in my opinion. The electronic kit is so versatile - set it up with the correct seat height and replicate an acoustic drum set up, and your technique will come on leaps and bounds compared to using simple rubber pads.

garp
5th Dec 2007, 06:51
Thank you very much Harrogate for taking the time to give your insights. In my personal case I just want to be able to play along with my two boys who both play the electric guitar. I'm going for the Roland TD6-KW, a tad more expensive but hopefully worth the money.
Tx again.
ps: final goal is to play like a monkey.
http://www.aglassandahalffullproductions.com/

Howard Hughes
25th Dec 2007, 07:30
Gidday Sikpupi,

Just wondering how your Christmas is going, did you get the drum kit after all?
Whats the verdict? Does your 12 year old love it? Do the neighbours hate it?:eek:

When I got my first kit at age 10, I was only allowed to play it between 4pm and 6pm, that way the neighbours, even those who work nightshift are generally awake!;)

Cheers, HH.:ok:

harrogate
25th Dec 2007, 09:46
... and so it begins...

Two likely outcomes:

It'll either be used for a few weeks and then left alone to rust...

or...

your nightmare as the parent of an aspiring drummer has just begun.

Good luck.

Sikpupi
25th Dec 2007, 10:52
Yep.....got the Drum Kit. Still 'under the tree' in the box at teh moment as there is abit of assembling. Howver - the kid was delighted and is even now hassling me to get it up for him!!

However - first things first ... and the Turkey has to get into the oven. So we agreed to sit down the two of us and put it together this after noon !!.

He got a new game on teh Xbox to gkeep him going til then!!

so..don't log off...I might need some help later on on assembling. I always end up a nut short on those flat-back jobs and so fingers crossed!

Ground rules (times stc) will be agreed later and at least we live in a detatched house so neighbour noise will be at a minimum!!!

Hope all have a good day today -

harrogate
25th Dec 2007, 10:56
Well, let us know if you need anything. I'll be popping in and out of Pprune today. Just to escape the in-laws, really.

What kit is it, by the way?

Sikpupi
25th Dec 2007, 12:00
Ended up getting them all the way from Germany with Thomann.. Excellent service, great comms and here in 5 days. No VAT or delivery costs to worry about.

Got this as a starter pack as below. I think it looks okay !!

http://www.thomann.de/ie/millenium_mx222.htm

eeemmmmm ..that turkey is smelling good!!!

Sikky

harrogate
25th Dec 2007, 12:08
Nice little starter kit.

It'll be well worth investing in a few reasonably priced cymbals in the new year. The ones you get with those kits aren't great and bend easily.
Can't go wrong with these at this price:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Sabian-Solar-Cymbal-Set-14-Hats-16-Crash-20-Ride_W0QQitemZ120199535356QQihZ002QQcategoryZ10174QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2 year warranty and free delivery - bonus.

Sikpupi
25th Dec 2007, 12:09
by the way ...told him that if he is any good..we'll start a band together. Agreed that we#d call it "The Symbolics " I'll be Sym and he'll be .........!!

Old joke ...but simple!!!