Cascais Landing distances ?

[jr of dallas]

HI guys , talking about LPCS landing with the Citation II or Bravo in compliance with JAA public Transport rules...how do you do it ????

[FourGreenNoRed]

Most of the time we lower the gear and prior Impact we start to flare a bit. Works fine :}

Rwy 17 TORA 1450m ASDA 1450m TODA 1620 LDA 1190 Slope -0.99%
Rwy 34 TORA 1360m ASDA 1360m TODA 1360m LDA 1190m Slope 0.99%

Rwy 17 wet is tight, 35 okay-ish. (Parametric / JAR)

Anything else?

[Chippie Chappie]

FourGreenNoRed, :ok: works for us too.

However my info shows Runway 35's LDA is 1190m. If not, please let me know as we can't quite make it in there under AOC ops at any reasonable weight without a hurricane blowing straight down the runway.
Cheers,

Chips

[FourGreenNoRed]

Yeah you are right, those data are for RWY 35 LONG which is not referenced in the AIP. Official AIP / JEPP data is LDA 1190m, I update the Post above accordingly.

Heard they might close LPCS soon due to neighbours being annoyed about the traffic.

Thanks CC.

[Jetwhine]

Mind a dumb question? What's LPCS?

Rob Mark
Jetwhine

[merlinxx]

It's an aerydrome Bwian!

[Chippie Chappie]

LPCS is the four letter code for Cascais ;)

Cheers,

Chips

[Jetwhine]

Told you it was a dumb question. Thanks.

[hawker750]

The way Net Jets do it is to use the very little known/used procedure in JAR OPS that allows you to use the length of the declared safe area plus the landing distance available. That way your 50 foot screen height can be over the declared safe area thus extending your LDA. JAR OPS Appendix 1 to 1.515(a)(4). I believe it was Net Jets that got the Cascais authorities to declare a safe area and have been using this trick for years! Does require a bit of work but could be worth it to stat legal

[FourGreenNoRed]

Correct, this is called SHOT LANDING and goes with certain restrictions (Day only, Slope max. 2% . . . ). Its documented in JAR OPS 1.515(a) (4), Appendix 1 and Appendix 2 to JAR OPS 1.515(a) (4) and OM-A and needs prior approval.
Looks akward for the ones who are used to "normal" landings, PAPIS dont match, ILS doesnt and so on. Needs some adjustment.

If it was simple everybody could do it :E

[hawker750]

Yep, the complicated bit is the paperwork to get approval, but as to operating, I suspect most pilots have been doing it with out realising it when operating into Cascais!!

[Flintstone]

I thought NJE just avoided sticky situations by declaring it a private flight, dumping the 'Fraction' callsign and becoming 'CS-XXX'?

At least they did during the old days :rolleyes:

[hawker750]

Don,t know about that am not Net Jets, operate Public Transport all the time so have to know all the legal tricks