Aircraft accident, Wellington airport?

[Old 'Un]

Just heard 2 burned after a/c flipped at Wellington today. Anyone got any real info, as mine is about 4th hand.

[3 Holer]

Only this. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4283080a10.html)

[Peter Fanelli]

Inspector Chris Tate, of Wellington police communications, said details were still sketchy, but reports suggested the plane had crashed .......


No ****!

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Sheesh

[cjam]

Does anyone know what the 10am metar for wellington was like?

[Old 'Un]

Thanks 3 Holer. Well, I did say the info got to me about 4th hand. Not surprising it was a bit off the mark. Good to know "both occupants were able to walk out of the aircraft". "Scramble" might have been a better term. ;)

[dudduddud]

20G30 @ 10am
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[kiwi chick]

LOL Peter, you beat me to it!

but reports suggested the plane had crashed or caught its wing, and been turned upside down.

Reporters are f :mad: ing brilliant.

keen to find out what caused the 4-seater Cessna to flip.

"It was most likely a strong gust of wind that did it - it's not that uncommon a thing to happen."

Yep... tis pretty much an every day occurrence. :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

[kiwi chick]

Last 6 METARS for WN:

METAR 210300Z 36024G34KT 40KM FEW020 SCT030 18/11 Q1020 NOSIG RMK KAUKAU 35029KT

METAR 210200Z 36023KT 30KM SCT030 18/11 Q1021 NOSIG RMK KAUKAU 36033KT

METAR 210100Z 36026KT 30KM SCT020 19/11 Q1021 NOSIG RMK KAUKAU 36032KT

METAR 210000Z 36021G32KT 30KM BKN020 18/12 Q1022 NOSIG RMK KAUKAU 35028KT

METAR 202300Z 36024KT 30KM BKN019 16/11 Q1022 NOSIG RMK KAUKAU 35029KT

METAR 202200Z 36020KT 40KM BKN025 17/11 Q1023 NOSIG RMK KAUKAU 35026KT

On the nose, it would appear? Hmmmmm.:hmm:

[Cypher]

TV3 News just had some pretty good video taken by a pax during the incident inside the aircraft.... :eek:
Hopefully will be on the website soon..
http://www.tv3.co.nz/PlaneflipsonWellingtonAirportrunway/tabid/309/articleID/39715/cat/87/Default.aspx#video
Glad to hear that no major injuries..
Now all we have to do is wait for all the armchair flight sim pilots and self appointed experts to work their way out the woodwork....http://www.sportsgamer.com/forums/images/smilies/mn/bang.gif

[TinDriver]

Got home 5 hours late due to the 172 being on its back.....

Managed to get some close up snaps of the poor old 172 after all the dust had settled; gotta say, they were lucky nobody was seriously injured.

[Tarq57]

The video shows the aircraft taxiing (or trying to taxi) onto RWY 34 from stub 10, getting around right angles to the runway ie: 90 degrees shy of lined up, loosing control as the right wing lifts, aircraft also yaws quickly to the left and pitches down and...Onboard footage included (http://www.tv3.co.nz/Video/FlippedlightaircraftclosesWellingtonairport/tabid/309/articleID/39746/cat/87/Default.aspx?articleID=39746#video)
At 46 sec in, (and subsequently in repeats) the yoke can be seen hard over to the right.
The METARS posted above show a steady direction straight down the runway. Don't imagine the 2100 would've been any different. Stub 10 is not quite at right angles; maybe about 20-30 off, to the South.Tidy, maybe new 172 by the looks, very badly dinged. Sad, but glad nobody badly hurt.
And Sean (the pax) has a really good holiday yarn!

[Jabawocky]

What do ya reckon....we might have seen the X-wind limit plus 10 knots:uhoh: and thats taxiing:eek:

Unless something else went pear shaped.

J

[Peter Fanelli]

Interesting video.
Guess he was just unlucky to get picked up by a sudden gust.

Real bummer when you crash on the way out to the runway.

[27/09]

What do ya reckon....we might have seen the X-wind limit plus 10 knots and thats taxiing

I didn't realise that C172 had a crosswind limit, I knew it had a crosswind recommendation. Have landed and taxied such an aircraft in up to 25 knots crosswind without drama.

[toolowtoofast]

I see one of the loadies said that it was lifting off and settling down again before it finally tipped over!

Bit of bad luck really - I would have thought 172's are taxiied around in 20G35 all the time - must have just picked it up from the wrong angle/maybe didn't quite have the x-wind technique dialled in all the way - looked like full aileron, but maybe not full fwd elevator?

Glad they're all OK.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Its not called "Windy Wellington" for nothing!

Once landed a C206 there when the F27s and B737s were grounded because of the cross wind.

Muggins thinks "... not a problem, I'll just land diagonally across the runway ...", which I duly did!

And there I sat until assistance arrived to help me taxi off the runway. Every time I tried to turn the aeroplane, it was weather-cocked back into wind!

An interesting experience, to say the least!

Dr :8

[haughtney1]

maybe about 20-30 off, to the South.Tidy, maybe new 172 by the looks, very badly dinged.

Nah its not a new 172...take a look at the control yoke.

Very nearly had a similar thing happen to me about 10 years ago at Claris on Great Barrier Island......Luckily I got away with it by standing on the rudder and slewing into wind.

[knox]

Not much you can do in that situation.... apart from hanging on for the ride.
Seem as though the pilot was doing all he could. Bit of a freak accident.
Glad to see nobody seriously injured.

Knox

[remoak]

If the witness was correct and the aircraft had already lifted off it's wheel or wheels before it went over, you have to wonder why the pilot didn't either turn immediately into wind and call for help, or taxi back in and think about it for a while before trying again.

Then again, this IS GA...

Good result, though, unless you are the owner of the 172. Or one of the hundreds of delayed pax.

[toolowtoofast]

maybe he should have just asked for a hover taxi off the gate.....

[c100driver]

Please correct me if I am wrong but a tail wind from the right aft quarter would be wheel to the left (right aileron down left up) and full forward. As opposed what the pilot had in the video?

FDK the C206 you were flying didnt happen to be a yellow D model on that day?

[kiwi chick]

'Twas what I was taught too :hmm:

Coming Up and Into
Going Down and Away

is how I remember it. (Makes sense to me anyway, LOL!):ok:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

"FDK the C206 you were flying didnt happen to be a yellow D model on that day?"

c100driver

Yellow it was! Don't remember the model. Need to look up an old log book for the call sign. Operated by Fieldair out of Palmy!

Dr :8

[cjam]

What is the airspeed at which the ASI starts to indicate on 172's?

I can see what c100driver and kiwi chick are getting at but to me the wind looked directly across, not quartering tail wind.

I would be interested to hear his line up clearance to see if tower were putting pressure on to keep things moving etc. I say this 'cause I don't think the incident would have occurred if the a/c was 5-10 knots slower.....In saying that I wasn't there so who knows, interesting tho.

[c100driver]

I remember that day well, very interesting :) very similar to the day with brand new CPL and TW rating taking 7ECA into Wellington and taxi in with fire truck as wind break!!

Some time later that year I watched the same C206 get tipped over turning off the taxiway to the AC. Twas parked in F27 at the time :hmm: on pluracy point, now known as G14