chopper2
19th Nov 2007, 13:43
China Eastern (Via Agencies) have been looking for A320 Captains that wish to add an A340 rating and fly for them. The deal is that you are bonded (US $32,000 over two years, paid up front) with a base in CDG, LHR or LAX and US $9000 per month. (75 Hours @ $120).
I am just back from Shanghai and I can tell you .. DONT DO IT.
They might say A340 - LAX, CDG or LHR but they mean A330, Shanghai working 6 weeks on and two weeks off.
If that doesnt put you of then wait till you get there A woman called Julia Chen will treat you like a child she will hang up the telephone on you, wave you away with the flick of her hand, shout at you and give you no respect (zero) wherever you came from or what you experience/age etc is. She is in charge of your recruitment process! She will treat you like this BEFORE you join What would it be like when you have handed over the $32,000?
The one way interview process starts at 07.30 Hrs Local one day one (no matter where your body clock is) with a immigration medical This will take most of the day and is one sided, you will have no idea what is being said unless you speak Chinese No English.
Day two CAAC Medical Another entire day with no feed back. Lots of rooms and very little respect for the individual (Eg ten men in a row drop them for the doctor!) only the nurse will get the modesty curtain. Blood is taken by standing in a row and sticking your arm through a serving hatch!
Day three The English test .. Even if your mother tongue is English this will make you work check the following link for more information. http://www.relta.org/sampleTest.php (http://www.relta.org/sampleTest.php)
Day four The CAAC ATPL FAA pilots have a distinct advantage The format is very FAA even if the regulations are Chinese Get the Gleim Airline Transport Pilot 2008 Test Prep CD-Rom from https://www.gleim.com/aviation/products.php?cat=ATP#TestPrepCD-Rom (https://www.gleim.com/aviation/products.php?cat=ATP#TestPrepCD-Rom) and become totally familiar with this BEFORE starting the CAAC workup. The CD will be familiar to FAA students and very strange for JAA/CAA students. Next purchase this book http://www.hceis.com/book.asp?id=3703[/URL] and down load the following questions [URL="http://www.huaxun-hk.com/ATPL.txt"]http://www.huaxun-hk.com/ATPL.txt (http://snipurl.com/1tqpa) - Note these questions are NOT what you will get but if you read them and find the answer in the book (write the page number next to the questions for future reference) you will start to learn and all will be well in the exam. Give yourself time If you arrive in China without the ATPL study complete you will probably fail! You will not have enough study time, once you arrive in China.
Day five The Sim (should have said Night Four) real grave yard slots of 01.00 02.00 etc. 00.45 mins each. Basic stuff little use of Autopilot. RTO <72Kts, Visual Circuit, Go Around, Single Eng FD ILS is about it. No Manuals, No Check lists Take your own if you want them (three copies).
Notes: Medical is VERY strict All pilots had a Class 1 FAA or JAA medical 50% failed the CAAC medical! The ATPL 2 out of 6 failed (+50% of local co pilots). Documents if a single document is not notarized and translated into Chinese the system will stall. If you are not able to get your Authority to confirm your hours then you will only be offered the chance to fly an A320 for the 500 hours before you start the larger A/C CCQ. FAA pilots have a real problem here get the paper or forget it! Visas VERY IMPORTANT - class C visas will not do You will need a new Visa (F works) but this will mean cancelling any C visa you may already have.
Best thing I can say is that the CES Pilots we met seemed OK - BUT until this woman is removed and the contract produced prior to visiting Shanghai forget it.
Regards
I am just back from Shanghai and I can tell you .. DONT DO IT.
They might say A340 - LAX, CDG or LHR but they mean A330, Shanghai working 6 weeks on and two weeks off.
If that doesnt put you of then wait till you get there A woman called Julia Chen will treat you like a child she will hang up the telephone on you, wave you away with the flick of her hand, shout at you and give you no respect (zero) wherever you came from or what you experience/age etc is. She is in charge of your recruitment process! She will treat you like this BEFORE you join What would it be like when you have handed over the $32,000?
The one way interview process starts at 07.30 Hrs Local one day one (no matter where your body clock is) with a immigration medical This will take most of the day and is one sided, you will have no idea what is being said unless you speak Chinese No English.
Day two CAAC Medical Another entire day with no feed back. Lots of rooms and very little respect for the individual (Eg ten men in a row drop them for the doctor!) only the nurse will get the modesty curtain. Blood is taken by standing in a row and sticking your arm through a serving hatch!
Day three The English test .. Even if your mother tongue is English this will make you work check the following link for more information. http://www.relta.org/sampleTest.php (http://www.relta.org/sampleTest.php)
Day four The CAAC ATPL FAA pilots have a distinct advantage The format is very FAA even if the regulations are Chinese Get the Gleim Airline Transport Pilot 2008 Test Prep CD-Rom from https://www.gleim.com/aviation/products.php?cat=ATP#TestPrepCD-Rom (https://www.gleim.com/aviation/products.php?cat=ATP#TestPrepCD-Rom) and become totally familiar with this BEFORE starting the CAAC workup. The CD will be familiar to FAA students and very strange for JAA/CAA students. Next purchase this book http://www.hceis.com/book.asp?id=3703[/URL] and down load the following questions [URL="http://www.huaxun-hk.com/ATPL.txt"]http://www.huaxun-hk.com/ATPL.txt (http://snipurl.com/1tqpa) - Note these questions are NOT what you will get but if you read them and find the answer in the book (write the page number next to the questions for future reference) you will start to learn and all will be well in the exam. Give yourself time If you arrive in China without the ATPL study complete you will probably fail! You will not have enough study time, once you arrive in China.
Day five The Sim (should have said Night Four) real grave yard slots of 01.00 02.00 etc. 00.45 mins each. Basic stuff little use of Autopilot. RTO <72Kts, Visual Circuit, Go Around, Single Eng FD ILS is about it. No Manuals, No Check lists Take your own if you want them (three copies).
Notes: Medical is VERY strict All pilots had a Class 1 FAA or JAA medical 50% failed the CAAC medical! The ATPL 2 out of 6 failed (+50% of local co pilots). Documents if a single document is not notarized and translated into Chinese the system will stall. If you are not able to get your Authority to confirm your hours then you will only be offered the chance to fly an A320 for the 500 hours before you start the larger A/C CCQ. FAA pilots have a real problem here get the paper or forget it! Visas VERY IMPORTANT - class C visas will not do You will need a new Visa (F works) but this will mean cancelling any C visa you may already have.
Best thing I can say is that the CES Pilots we met seemed OK - BUT until this woman is removed and the contract produced prior to visiting Shanghai forget it.
Regards