Double crew incapacitation regs/policies.

[Chris Higgins]

Can anyone tell me what restrictions are now in place for two crews who are "senior" in age flying with one another on multi-crew jets in Oz? Either regulatory or company policy driven.

Thanks!

Chris

[bushy]

Those 30 year old greybearded ones should not be allowed to fly together.

[D.O.G]

Like the day a new cabin manager announced to the captain, that if he died on the flight she would have to take over. The Captain politely informed her that if he was to die during the flight, the first officer was to be in charge, and should he also die the flight engineer was to assume the responsibility.

But should he also die, the captain responded with “you are welcome to it”.:D

Needless to say the coffee was slow that day.

[Jabawocky]

Yeah......and if both the techies cark it on a flight I am on, the hostie would want to have a damned good reason for not letting me do it!

I am selfish.....I'll do anything to save my own arse......and if hers is attached by an alloy tube with wings, she will be no worse off than me!

Better keep practising the B737 on the MS FS.......:}

J:ok:

PS.....has anybody ever taken a bugsmasher driver like me and thrown them in a sim to see how well they would do in returning a 737 or similar with only the kind of verbal coaching you could get over a radio? I assume some hve tried it.

I know someone with just an RAA ticket having a go in the F111 sim at Amberley and doing pretty well at it.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

".....has anybody ever taken a bugsmasher driver like me and thrown them in a sim to see how well they would do in returning a 737 or similar with only the kind of verbal coaching you could get over a radio?"

Yes, it has been done before. I seem to recall that they usually "buy the farm" on the first attempt ...... and then go OK after that!

Not terribly encouraging really!

Dr :8

PS: Ahhh Jaba, having seen your first attempt at landing a Bonanza - I suggest you just open the door and jump!

[VH-XXX]

I've seen it in the movies at-least a dozen times and it always ends well and usually with a romantic scene at the end as emergency services takes the stand-in pilot and his lady-friend passenger off for shock treatment.

After all, it's a 3 axis aircraft with a tricycle undercarriage - as if you couldn't land it!

On the flip side, I've been teaching some current QF airline pilots to fly a Jabiru lately. One of them hasn't flown a real aircraft for 10 years and it will be a slow process. It works both ways!


Back to the original question, surely two pilots over 60 is ok?

[gas-chamber]

My understanding is that only one pilot in a two crew commercial operation can can be over 60. In fact, if the captain is over 60 I think the co-pilot must hold a command rating, but does not have to be checked as a captain or even checked in the left seat.

Also, I don't think single pilot charter can be conducted by a pilot over 60 but air work such as instruction. meat bombing, survey etc is OK. I could be wrong as I don't have the book of regulations to hand.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Jaba, Uncle Usama has put paid to any of us pilot passengers saving the day.

[WannaBeBiggles]

Jaba, I've seen a person without any training do a half decent job, she bought the farm, but had it stable most of the way ;)

Fun bit of gear, though it's off putting when doing a bomb run... bank, turn, look back... stare at wall... looses it's realism :p

[Lasiorhinus]

Jaba, Uncle Usama has put paid to any of us pilot passengers saving the day.

Fair go mate - blame where blame is due, OK, but blaming Osama for the decisions of Bush/Howard and their underlings is a tad unfair!!

[Jabawocky]

OK I will buy a parachute then.....:{

No 3 was not too bad........and some in Townsville and Leonora.....shut up about the others OK!:ooh:

J

[SWMBO]

PS: Ahhh Jaba, having seen your first attempt at landing a Bonanza - I suggest you just open the door and jump!

Doc, you weren’t there with the first landing in a Jabawocky!!

I concur with your view for some of Jaba’s landings but you must admit he got better with practice and less instruction!!

;) SWMBO

[Jabawocky]

OZBUSDRIVER & Lasiorhinus

Trust me, if I see both techies crawl out of the cockpit and croak it......the hosties will give me the code, or I will chew the door off .......

And XXX....no I would not have the movie ending thanks......but a cushy job at QF for life would repay the debt......assuming i didn't f:mad: it up on them.....might be me with a huge debt then:{

[WannaBeBiggles]

Wonder if the "you break it, you bought it" policy applies... :E

[Chris Higgins]

Alright then, so no specific crew pairing limitations for pilots over 60 on transport category planes, or is there a maximum age for one half of the crew pairing?

[mustafagander]

AFAIK the way Charlie Q longhaul works the over 60 thing is that when bids are run, capts get their trips. If a 60 yo capt is flying to a "sensitive" area (eg USA) and the bids also give that trip to a 60 yo F/O, the F/O's bid is denied for that particular pattern.
I understand that the guys/girls who run the bidding system find it a big pain in the RS, but how else to do it? Perhaps the whole aviation world could follow ICAO regs? Nah, too simple!!

[Jabawocky]

WHAT:eek:

One standard..........surely 3 standards are better than 1:uhoh:

J

[Chris Higgins]

So domestically in Oz, is there any real restriction? Or just over the pond?

[VH-XXX]

I can assure you that even though the chances of being called to the cockpit as a PPL or CPL in a crew incapaciation event are probably a billion to one or less, however if I was ever required to rise to the challenge, I can guarantee you that the subsequent landing would involve a massive beat-up of never before seen magnitude. I doubt very much that they would give you a job for getting it down safely or anything more than perhaps a bottle of wine, so you might as well make the most of your time at the controls. The passengers won't mind if they still arrive in one piece. :ok:

[Jabawocky]

XXX
:D:D:D:D

"It was a missed approach Mr Dixon, and I didn't even bend the plane" :}

Good one XXX:ok:

Have you been practising lately:oh:

[gas-chamber]

Chris Higgins - read my earlier post which is the way it is now that I have read the rules.

[Chris Higgins]

Excellent Gas Chamber- Thank you very much. I was asked by an operator what they do "Downunder", and I said there was a great group of people that give me an accurate answer on the latest. Thx again!

[Jabawocky]

Great group of people.....but we all go off on tangents faster than a ping pong ball off a table!:eek:

J:ok: