promotion qualifications for `FA's in different airlines?

[flapsforty]

On another thread there a question as to what a CSD & a Purser are in BA.

This lead me to wondering what these jobs are called in other airlines and more interestingly, what do the various companies require from their FA's to qualify for a promotion to these positions?
Also would be interseted in reading the sizes, pax wise, and the routes flown, of the various aircraft that have these positions (wo)manned.


Start off with my own mob:

Basic requirement is good english and the more foreign languages the better.
FA's come in and fly for about a year, depending on the growth in the comp, as a so called "1 striper" on the 737 and in the tourist class on the 747.
They then drop the 737 in favour of the 767 and the MD-11.
After about 3 years you can get your second stripe, meaning that you get extra training and are able to work both business and tourist class (we don't have first class anymore :( )

The next promotion would be to the position of Assistant Purser with 3 stripes on your sleeve. Boss of the tourist class on the 747, 767, MD-11. You dont serve food at that point, but coordinate the FA's (and do a million other things which are well known to all of you :) )
Requirement to be allowed to apply for the job of AP is a State Fluency exam in 2 of the 4 foreign languages on our list (English, French, Spanish, German & Italian) and 2 "small" exams in other lingo's from the same list. If you have the exams, you can apply for the job. 50% of the applicants is succesful. The job of AP also carries a pay rise! :D

Next step is that of short haul Purser, 4 stripes. Back to the 737 and back to being a real FA, serving food ;). Also FINALLY the end-responsability for all that happens in the cabin.
Requirements: 3 big language exams, 1 small one & a good record as AP. Again only 50& of the applicants actually make it.
Yep, pay rise time again :D

Last step is Wide Body Purser on the 747, 767 and MD-11.
Get your own on-board office, do all the dreaded paperwork, DJ for the music and DVD system.
requirements: 4 big language exams and a good record on short haul. 65% currently makes the grade.
(smallish pay rise)

Anyone care to share how things are set up in the comp you fly for??

edited in fear of Spelling Police :D :eek:

[ 29 October 2001: Message edited by: flapsforty ]

[flyblue]

Flaps, I have briefly explained on the BA thread, but I'll try to be more specific.
In AF, with a 4 years seniority, you can apply to become Chef de Cabine. You must have a level "4" in English (on a 5 points scale) plus another language. If you are not French you must have at least a "4" in French too. If your application is accepted, you are given more or less a cubic meter in manuals and books that you must study for the exam. If you pass, after a course, you are usually sent to Short Haul (A319,320,321 and B737) to be Chef de Cabine (=Purser). You can also ask to be on hold for a position in Long Haul, but it takes longer.
After more or less 2 years, if you want you can go to Long Haul. In Long Haul Fleet there is a CCP + a CC on the A/C with only 2 classes (A310 and B767, but AF is getting rid of those machines), and CCP+ 2 CC on the A340, B777, B747-200-300-400. Where there is only one CC, he/she works in Y while CCP works (?) in J. In the bi-class one CC works in Y, one in J (they usually change on the I/B) and the CCP "supervises" the P class.
After 3 years seniority as CC, you can apply to become CCP.
For Concorde it is a different story. You must have 2 years seniority to apply as a C/A, and a minimum level of English 4. If your application is accepted, you have to pass an exam to evaluate your skills and abilities. If you pass, you are rostered 2 months on the Concorde and one on the normal LH, because of the physical effects of supersonic flight. During your Concorde month you usually work 10 days over 30. There is no CCp, just one CC who has to apply on the above mentioned way.
The procedures seem more complicated in your Company, but they sure grant more than in AF that you are worth your promotion. What do you think about it?

The A340 has 6P, 42J,204Y. It is used mostly over Asian and African routes. B777 has 12P, 56J, 202Y and is used mostly over asian and american routes. The B747 varies following type, but let's say the most common have 13P, 58J and 321Y (the ones used over Caribbean routes have differen classes and carry more load)and are used mostly over asian and american routes.
The new A330 will be delivered soon, but I have no idea what they will use it for or which figures they will have.

[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: flyblue ]

[gulf-crew]

Guys well you lot should try Qatar Airways its real easy over their.

1. If your european you get pref treatment
2. If you happen to be sleeping with the big
man at the top your def in line for
promotion.
3. Previous experience counts as well know
someone who had 1 years flying and was
promoted to f/c within 2 weeks of joining
4. Cabin Seniors in charge of the A320 and
incharge of E/Y on A300. Selection is
easy if your liked you just get the job or
if not you have to apply go through
interview and exams (you might get the
job might not).
5. CSD's on the A300 same applies as cs
6. Company is a joke. Life can be quite hard
working for them, know one girl who got
sacked for not wearing her belt etc.
7. Is definately an experience.

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