Virgin Nigeria Recruitment minimums

[LostAndFound]

I see on VK's website they have further reduced their minimums to 220 hours and no mention of type rating.Sounds too good to be true:confused:

[Choppie]

That doesn't just sound a little low to me, that sound :mad: low!

[Dotun]

You dont need more than that to fly these planes (B737 or EMB 195). I came out of school straight into the B737, no big deal. Come on guys, hurry and send the CVs in before they change their minds.

Regards
DMan

[bianchi]

Yeah u right !

With the right training( proper conversion)and''sound'' SOP's)and a with a experienced P1 in the left seat you will pick up the"ropes'' quickly and then it's just time that needs to tick over to build the actual experience that you can't buy or read''up'' on,but what you just have to see to believe to experience !!

GOODLUCK to ALL the boys and who know's girls that will apply for this job!!'

BIANCHI !:ok:

[Afterburner1]

Any word on what they're like to work for, conditions etc...?

Cheers,

Burner

[downsouth]

Any one nows what it's like to work there??

[surely not]

When you guys ask 'what is it like to work there?' are you asking about the company, the country or both?

To give a viable comparison it would be useful to know where you are at present.

When I was working in Nigeria the leading two to work for were Virgin Nigeria and Aero. Since then Arik has started but there seems to be a lot of contradictory info re what they are like to work for so I cannot comment.

I also think you have to know what your personality is like before making a judgement. If you are used to being pampered and wet nursed in a major carrier in Europe or North America, living in well ordered suburbs, then perhaps Nigeria will be harder to adapt to than if you are from a smaller carrier where you have to fend for yourself more and the routes take you to some less priviliged parts of the world where the mod cons are not so mod!

I'm not a pilot, but I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Nigeria and have some very good friends there.

A lot of the negative comments on here re Nigeria come from people who when challenged admit they were last there 20-25 years ago and apart from the airport only ever saw the hotel.

Life and places are to a large part what you make them.

[Flying Bucket]

"I'm not a pilot, but I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Nigeria and have some very good friends "
Quite a revelation there man.

[worldpilot]

If you are ready for the HEAT (to struggle), then you can go for the adventure. But then, challenges are always a motivation to move forward.:eek:

WP

[surely not]

Flying Bucket,

Not sure what point you are making?

[Maxweight]

Not too sure where most of the expat aircrew are accomodated but a mate of mine said he was housed in a compound.

He spoke of a few kidnappings but there are armed escorts available from compound to whereever.

Guys in the know please post.

Maxweight:ok:

[hotmj43]

SN I think he thinks you are a pilot or have been in the past and not coming out with it:confused:Given your rather indepth knowledge.....but as you said you worked in Nigeria and have friends there.....makes sense to be !!!
Well i am no mind reader, i might be totally wrong on this one:yuk:

[hotmj43]

Nigeria needs the new generation of Pilots . BA still have cadets,who come out with a frozen JAR ATPL 200 hours....and get into the righthand seat of A jet airplane with an MCC under their belt and some multi engine jet sim time at
age 19-24 i think......look at what is happening in India....so not too low,that thought process is OUT SIR :ok:

[BALEWA]

"QUOTE:"
BA still have cadets,who come out with a frozen JAR ATPL 200 hours....and get into the righthand seat of A jet airplane with an MCC under their belt and some multi engine jet sim time at
age 19-24 i think......look at what is happening in India


Agreed Hotmj43, but then look at the airlines personnel and infrastructure you just mentioned and its dedication to first class training when it comes to their pilots, cadets or experienced Captains!

They have training captains and centers dedicated to producing formidable pilots, backed up by an airline that will stop at nothing to get the best.

So watchout when these cadets come in with low hrs and experience, it comes down to the airline and its training personnel and not some ego tripping fella on the left with a big grin, chukling "oooh u in big s:mad:t now" abi!!!

India :eek: well uh, hmmmm will see about that one later :ok:

B

[Oom Kaspaas]

downsouth.

rather shovel :mad: in Argentina. Its a lot safer. the day the universe gets an enema the tube will be plugged in Nigeria

[surely not]

Oom, with ill informed remarks like yours I think the tube might well be attached to you.

[hotmj43]

Well Balewa... lets look at it this way, BA ,cadet, infrastructure and all that you have framed up, something to work towards,we have to pull our heads out of the SAND,it can be achieved......so i see it as NO mission impossible.
We just have to get out of this Negative gig ,jive on Nigerian Aviation.
India is marching Forward,.... it is in that light,that i am turning too,they have unstuck the Finger !!!!

[hotmj43]

Oom have you travelled ? or you just feel you should open your mouth....... I SUGGEST YOU.close it ,a S..:confused:T fly might POP IN.

[pilotd]

hi guys

i sent my cv to Virgin and they replied got through to the next stage anybody else got a reply? does anybody know whats next in the interview process and where the interview are held?

Cheers
Darren

[Shunanny]

Hi out there,
I hear VNA will be looking for aTR drivers soon,for 3 ATR 42's, anybody with facts.
Thanks.
p.s. oom I dont think they will be needing you:{

[hotmj43]

Pilotd,
next in the sequence will be an invitation for an interview either in Lagos or London,
Interview Day 1,
Is an introduction of the company either by the Chief Pilot or some one from HR....then it is a panel interview, A pilot,HR staff and a Human Factors specialist,suggest you read the Ace Pilot,it is all very relaxed they do their best to relax you,no Arsto Physic questions....then a technical quiz 50 questions all from the Ace Tech Pilot Book, YOU COULD DO QUIZ FIRST BEFORE,INTERVIEW IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR GIVEN TIME ON THE DAY.
If you get through all that,you will be invited for a Sim assess in the UK Gatwick ,Gecat was used in past,they now use Alteon. Sim is 737 CLASSIC EFIS,some Pilots in the past got the 767
If you get through that you are offered a Job,with a course date..... from start to finish this process should take about a month !!!!,if not less given that they are looking for Pilots.
GOOD LUCK.....you are BONDED IF YOU ARE NOT TYPE RATED, 3 YEAR BOND.:ok:

[bacou]

I'm waiting for a job offer from Virgin Nigeria as 737 FO
Anibody knows how long it takes to get a work permit in Nigeria for a European citizen.

[Shunanny]

Depends on the handling imigration officer:confused:

[NDB17]

Work permit shouldn't take long.

[LongJohnThomas]

There are two observations i have about the Low time that VK now advertises.
1. Initially, they had advertised ATP with 3000 hours for first officer.
"Nigeria needs the new generation of Pilots . BA still have cadets,who come out with a frozen JAR ATPL 200 hours....and get into the right hand seat of A jet airplane with an MCC under their belt and some multi engine jet Sim time at
age 19-24 i think......look at what is happening in India....so not too low,that thought process is OUT SIR".
If i understand you clearly Mj43, you're now and advocate for whats applicable world-wide or at least in the immediate western world?
This was applicable before the commencement of VK operations. Why then was there no pressing reason to have what is now applicable in the beginning?
If i remember clearly, there was a lot of noise as to what calibre of pilots Vk got at the time and what is Vk getting now?
I have come to realise that high time does not make a pilot, but what the pilot is capable of handling when "Sh*t hits the fan".
We have for years simply just appointed people based on personal bias and and the fact that they either belonged to a certain camp or not.
A lot of people did not gain Vk employment initially because some of us (Nigerians) held on to this fine 3000 hour line like the bible itself!
What is now consoling is that the Oyinbos have now come to set things straight since we cant!
2.As for Oom Kaspaas,
I think you should remain in Argentina shoveling sh*t, thats where you belong mate!
Like Mj says, maybe you need to keep your trap shut if you have nothing constructive to say, ding-wit!

[HavingSaidThat]

LJT,

I have come to realise that high time does not make a pilot, but what the pilot is capable of handling when "Sh*t hits the fan".
We have for years simply just appointed people based on personal bias and and the fact that they either belonged to a certain camp or not.

A comment that I can agree on.

Shortly after 911 a new market surfaced in aviation: Training of self sponsored pilots. New TRTOs saw daylight all over the world, and they all went for the guys and girls who either had saved around USD 20 to 30k or who could convince mama and papa to mortgage the house in order for the young pilot to obtain a type rating.

Before that, some airlines had run a cadet scheme, aka Ab-Initio training, where they took them "off the street", put them through initial training for a frozen ATPL and a medium jet type rating. I have spent time in the cockpit with several of them. 200 hrs + and keen. I cannot say I remember one who did not do a good job.

But back to the self sponsored guys. This trend brought a lot of low time pilots on to the market. Many of them had to continue paying for line training on revenue flight, which makes me and many others :yuk:. But the key here is that these low timers can do a good job providing they have been part of a training program from day 1 geared for the right hand seat of a medium size jet, and that socalled high timers do not necessarily perform better than colleagues with not so many hours in the logbook. There is no quality assurance in a lot of flying hours ;)

[surely not]

LJT I believe that the early rationale behind the high hours requirement was that the first intakes of joiners were likely to provide the future management pilots for the expanding airline therefore greater experience was sought. I seem to recall that it was always intended that this requirement would lessen as the airline reached maturity.

It made sense to me as a non flyer to do things this way, and my opinion hasn't changed with the passing of time.

[LongJohnThomas]

Hello Sn,
I need you to understand where I'm coming from.
The point here has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the Airline needed high time pilots to end up as management or not.
If that were the case? Where are all the so called high time pilots initially employed by Vk now?
Only a handful of them remain there as we speak.
My problem is, for starters, we knew then what we know now and thats my beef!
There were lots of pilots who had the time but no ATP's who didn't get in because of the high handedness of our brothers, and this is fact, not fiction!
We know whats right, but never do it! Instead, we go chasing after shadows of our so called enemies, like we are actually important enough to have enemies for real?
Has it ever occurred to most of us that flying airplanes does not make us any different from, or any smarter than those riding in the back seats?
Infact, it is my take that those at the rear, do have cause to feel special, cos they're ferried by the most qualified and specialized flying idiots who cant make a dime outside the cockpit.
This is not personal, but i must stress that we all know whats right, but never do it, when sh*t hits, we all say, "Oooo, I knew what the solution could have been"?
Please take note, that my comments are not directed specifically at any one person, but the lot of us (Nigerians) and it certainly includes me!

[hotmj43]

LJT,
Surely Not,has taken the reply out of my mouth,he got to you before i did.
What SN puts down was,the rationale of the VK Ops management at the start of VK, for the B733,not all the start up Pilots would end up in Management of the Airline. i am still an advocate of all things right....:ok:
The high time jet pilots with NO ATP,was a spill off,of the old WT days when it was the Airline who sponsored your ATP,which for some pilots was a money making venture.....WT is not endorsed in the License (ATP) but the pilots name......the VK requirement at the begining was an ATP AMONGST other requirements.....a fair number of the high time jet pilots had no ATP and expected to be interviewed......no sir,Dont have an ATP, HR responded.
it is nice to see now that many just pilots, have sponsored their ATP,when they realised that not having one,was the obstacle to a desired job !!!!
Remember the Frozen ATP is the desired route now for many a bugging Pilot.
As to what Nigerians want or dont want ....is a conversation for another day.

[hotmj43]

It should not take long VK needs you:ok:But they have no say in the immgration process..... i am sure they will have done all that need be done as
regards filing etc....worse guess they will get you in on business visa,get you flying while they follow up on the applied for work permit.... something to that effect,the process is constantly changing though towards perfection they say!!!!

[LongJohnThomas]

Hotmj43,
Having said that, i'm glad you could bring up some clarification on that. Various people had asked in the past and even recently, and i though i'd throw it open for you to respond to since you may have inside knowledge of the procedures involved. Thanks.:ok:
At least those in doubt can see for themselves what the answers are and not think there is/was any hidden agenda.:D
My ten cents.
Cheers.

[hotmj43]

Thanks LJT.......Well ,i hope it will be seen in the light of clarification of this matter.:cool: i would have prefered dollars as opposed too Cents.... Naira would have been excellent though:ok:

[flying paddy]

Hi All

Got email today for interview in December for B737.

Anyone one else out there got the same. If so please pm me.

Cheers

paddy

[ARGREECE]

Hi gentlemen,
congratulations to all those called for the next phase with virgin nigeria. I would appreciate if someone knows something about their requirements to post it. Thank you in advance and good luck.

[FEDENO]

I was invited to..But I don't know yet if I go there.

[pilotd]

hi guys

to all that got invited for an interview we have to pay our own travel cost to London or Nigeria which i think is BS as a major airline like Virgin i think the least thaey can do is provide discounted tickets.

[Fakawi]

In my experience companies that play cheap from day one ie. travel to interviews etc. are not really worth working for.

[Wings23]

I too have been invited to the interview, and will probably be attending as I should be in London at the time.

Few questions to the other guys who may know more.

Should you make it through the first stage after paying for flights etc. The return sim assesment, will I have to pay for that as well?

Is the jump straight on to the 737 co jo to much of a jump from a caravan? Obviously the size is hugely different but will the guy in the left seat look at you the same way as maybe somebody with a few hundred twin turbine hours?

And Lagos, To live there? Descent places to stay? Im sure I have visited worse, but not for three years....

Any input would be great!

Cheers, and good luck to the others who have been invited for the interview.

[18left]

QUOTE FAKAWI:" In my experience companies that play cheap from day one ie. travel to interviews etc. are not really worth working for."

In my experience new companies that spend a lot of money lavishly dont last either,and are not worth working for as well.

If you are serious about joining,why not invest?
would you say Emirates is not worth working for?
I paid my way to dubai myself when i went for thier interview.

QUOTE WINGS23 "Is the jump straight on to the 737 co jo to much of a jump from a caravan? Obviously the size is hugely different but will the guy in the left seat look at you the same way as maybe somebody with a few hundred twin turbine hours?

Dont worry how the guy in the left seat feels about you, CRM solved that problem already.What should concern you is how you fell about yourself,nothing comes easy,so if you are determined its not an issue.
All i can say we where not born flying jets!


And Lagos, To live there? Descent places to stay? Im sure I have visited worse, but not for three years....

Any input would be great!"

if you can hack j'burg, lagos is a piece of cake

[bacou]

You have to pay your flight for the interview.

It's a first selection of candidates, those who don't want to pay are probably not the more motivated to join.

If you pass, the first stage, you're invited to the Sim and Psychometric test.

For the second stage, at the time I went there, the ticket was refunded.

[737hustler]

Hi guys,

I'm invited to the December interviews in London too, convenient as I live in London :8 although I would have travelled from afar to interview...

I hear that its all about the Ace Pilot Interview book (£15 amazon.com) and being yourself.

Good luck - I'm doing some studying as we speak...

Always hustling,
737hustler

[AlternativeProcedure]

To the guys/girls invited for interview, are you type rated on the 737?

AP

[hotmj43]

Well being Rated,is one foot in the door,the rest is up to you ,are you a team player.....I suggest you read the Ace Technical.....you should have a simulator assessment.

[flightlevel_510]

oral aspect not 2 much off a deal... the technical hmmm.... put ur pampers on.... am just playin... read ace u shld b good... flight assesment.. can u fly? good luck skippers:ok:

[OLVpilot]

Is Virgin Nigeria only open to UK folks? I'm over in the US and it sounds like something I'd be interested in.

[Shunanny]

VK has a very multicultural workforce. All are welcomed there.
Hotmj43 has got it to the T on the interviews.:cool:

[hotmj43]

Virgin Nigeria Advertise themselves as an International Airline operating from the Heart of AFRICA:D.The assumption is that having an international status,
the workforce is Multinational.... and so it is,within the confines of the Nigerian immigration Quota, allocated to Vk,for Non Nigerians. So you are most welcome Sir.:ok:

[OLVpilot]

Thanks a lot, this is something I want to follow. If anyone knows specifics related to the interview process, I'd be interested to hear via PM.

[phillipsmw]

Same here. I've got a VK interview coming up in December.

Thanks for the info above. I'm already well into the Ace book.
If anyone's got other specifics a PM would be much appreciated.

Anyone else scheduled for the 5th?

[seper]

Good luck folks,note of caution the recruitment department, is most bureaucratic and incompetent!
Couple of the pilots who work there have warned me that it could take months, going through all the stages to get hired, even those who came type rated did not fare better!
Yet am told they are real short of crew! what a mismatch! its ARIK for me

[FEDENO]

I would like to know if anyone asked VK about pay the trip to London to do this interview?

[Shunanny]

Hey SEPER, maybe its a new CRM technique, u know, knock out the hurryupitis:ugh:.
Things are shaping up now though.

FEDENO check a couple of threads back, 18left says it all.

[B767PL]

Does anybody know what the interview dates are??

What aircraft are they hiring for??

I have currently 310 hours (over 250 are PIC) and growing (currently flight instructing), as well as 22 ME, but still need to do Multi-Commercial, all ratings are FAA.

What are the chances of being invited for an interview??

What aircraft would they probably put me on, if I was to be hired??

Any insight, ideas, thoughts would be great regarding my questions.

How long is this offer going to be up for?? Any ideas??

Thank you very much!!!!:}

[airmiles]

Yes I too have an interview in December. Don't suppose an of you know what these tech questions are in the tech quiz. People say the Ace book, but you know it isn't exactly the smallest book, and there are LOADS of questions in it. Would you have any idea as to what will be asked?

If anyone could pm me about the personal side of questions too then that would be much appreciated as well.

Cheers,
Airmiles

[sonicpana]

Hi all, I'd like to second that, what Questions they ask outa the Ace book?
Not got too long to gen up.
Anyone know what the pay is like for 73 FO ? Nothing on PPJN
Cheers Sonic.:ok:

[aiellosky]

Hello folks,

I am from Brazil and its too late for me to try to get one of the ACE book since i cant find a place here that has it, does anyone know how to get a copy online?
Also....please let us know about the interviewing process. We all want to go well...and i wish the best luck to all the applicants.
Thanks
Luis

[ZAZOO]

Try this link!

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/105-0998014-7632433?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ACE+PILOT+INTERVIEW

[aiellosky]

well...thanks for your help but if i buy the book online it wont get here in Brazil by december....so what i really need is a copy where i could download it. I will really appreciate any help
thanks
Luis

[halyard]

Sorry, wrong web address!
Try Http//www.ebookmall.com

[Engine Noise]

It seems the roll call for the VK int has started here on PPRUNE:D

Any locals for the interview?

[ZAZOO]

http://www.ebookmall.com/ebooks/ace-the-technical-pilot-interview-bristow-ebooks.htm

cheers

[BALEWA]

Engine Noise, most of the guys coming in for december interviews in london are locals!

Rest assured:ok:

Balewa

oga zazoo I throway salut, we no c ur breaklights for Dnmm lately Sir!

[B767PL]

Does anybody know the interview dates??

Are there any interviews after December??

How long is the job opening going to last for??

Does anybody know any of the answers to those questions? Thanks a bundle.

[18left]

B767PL, the recruitment is for now permanently ongoing,as they need lots of crew,so there is no deadline from what i gather.
They just ordered 24 EMB170/190 so they need crew real bad
my advise to all,is DONT attempt the interview without reading ACE

[B767PL]

18Left, Thanks for your reply. This is good to know. So you are saying that they are mainly recruiting for the new Embraers they have ordered, or the 737's at the moment? According to the website it says they are seeking crew for their 737 aircraft. Any insight? Thanks a lot :ok: :}

Also, what is pay on those aircraft types?

[socalflyer]

Just a word of caution for people interviewing. Apparently there are many errors in this book as shown in the review below. This was for the 2002 edition. I don't think a revised book has been published.

"This book is literally full of errors and inaccuracies. While it has helped me refresh my memory a bit, one really has to be careful and critical to avoid learning wrong answers! Sometimes the given answer is even exactly the opposite of the correct answer. Some examples:

1. What is Dutch Roll?
"(...) the outer, upward-moving wing stalls and loses all lift, and therefore the wing drops."
The author doesn't have a clue of how Dutch roll works. The wing certainly does not stall, Dutch roll actually starts out as a very gentle instability. And why would the upward-moving, faster wing stall anyway? When a wing is going up, its AOA decreases! If one wing should stall, it should be the other one. Obviously, neither does.

2. The critical engine on a crosswind take-off is NOT the downwind engine. It is in fact the upwind engine. A crosswind from the left does not apply "a restoring force to the right", it in fact makes the aircraft want to turn left into the wind (weathervane effect). When he's already holding a lot of right rudder in a left crosswind (as any airline pilot should know), the author would prefer to lose the left engine?!

3. Vortex generators are not there for "preventing spanwise flow" but for making the boundary layer turbulent so it doesn't detach as early as a laminar flow. To prevent spanwise flow, winglets or fences are used.

4. "Density is defined as mass per unit of volume of a substance. By definition, a block of gas is less dense than the same size block of liquid, which is less dense than the same size block of solid".
Has the author ever wondered why ice floats, then?! "By definition", it should sink.

I could go on and on quoting other errors. There's one on every few pages."

[IrishFlyerXX]

Hows Tricks,

Am fairly new with this site, I am also looking for information about Virgin Nigeria as I have an interview in early feb, My e-mail is [email protected], Would be great to hear from you , How is the interview done & teck questions and how long do they bond ,,, Thanks

[FEDENO]

Please...could a good soul tell us about the salary at Virgin Nigeria and if there will be a training bound for the pilots?

[hotmj43]

Dont know about the current salary scale which is an improved one.YES they BOND,and ask for the Bond if you quit, before the stated period,Freebie training days are over at VK.:rolleyes:

[737hustler]

Anyone need tips on the sim assessments in London PM me..

Best of luck to you

[sorelr]

just got my confirmation for the 30th this month to interview in London. Any helps or advise out there besides the ACE book? :-)
thanx

[BALEWA]

Heard a few days ago VirginNigeria has thrown the Ace book out the window concerning their technical written starting this year and have gotten the fleet captain and chief pilot to put together the written questions for the technical.

So just have a good grasp of your technical knowledge as far as your experience is concerned!!!

Goodluck

[seper]

trust me balewa ace is still very helpful in passing any of the technical exams in VNA

[18left]

the website advertises need for pilots with as low as 220 hours for EMB170/190,B737,ATR42

Does any one have more info on what routes for the ATR'S,and how soon they arrive,i cant see any in thier fleet apart from a wetleased one

[mathieupv]

hey did you pass the interview?

[IrishFlyerXX]

Hi to all,

I have an Interview next wed with VK Gatwick, Anyone who had done the interview or sim check with them,,any hints welcome, What they ask ?? What knid of tech questions are there ?? Is it multiple choice answers , etc ?? How long before they let you know ?? How many positions are they recruiting for ?? Is it only for the 737-300 or 737-500 ?? Which type of Embraer are they recruiting for 170/190/195 ??

Thanks , Any info welcome ,,,

Happl Landings

[mathieupv]

hey

I have no idea. I sent my application a week ago. Still don't have any news. How long did it take before they called you for the interview?
Thank you.
Good luck to you.

[IrishFlyerXX]

Hey,

It took a few weeks to get word of the interview! You should get your hands on "Ace the tech book for pilots" if you already dont have it,,

Good luck,,,

[mathieupv]

Alright thank you for the help. :) How many hours do have? Are you JAA or FAA? Do you have any jet time? I have 300hrs FAA, no jet time, and I saw Virgin Nigeria just increased their minimums from 220hrs to 500 and ERJ type rated people......

[IrishFlyerXX]

Hey 737Hustler,

Looks like you got as far as the sim check?? So how was the interview and the Sim?? What type of sim were you in ??

Any info welcome,,,

[Beechdrivr]

Hi all, just a quick question if you don't mind.

I've noticed that the minimum requirements are low. The guys that get in with these requirements, do they then sit as 2nd officers or go directly in to the right seat?

No offence here but it must be hectic for a person with say between 200-300hrs flying a jet aircraft. I'm sure it puts even more pressure on the captain as well. I think back to the days when started and it would've been overwhelming if i had to do the same.

Just wandering what you guys think.

Safe flying:ok:
BD

[Cypres]

mathieupv

They are still interviewing people who are not E-Jet Type rated. And who certainly don't have 500 hours commercial experience.

Could it be that the people still being interview (Jan 08) are destined for the B733s and all subsequent recruitment is to be focused on the impending E-Jet delivery schedule.....

Just a thought

[BALEWA]

Looks like the Branson Team Have turned VirginNigeria into a training ground for low houred foreign pilots with no jet time or type rating ;)

oh well na them sabi for there!

[Revnetwork]

If Virgin needs the pilots, then it doesn't matter to me where they come from. The likes of BA, FR and others in Europe hire pilots with low hours.:D

[BALEWA]

Oh Yeah, so what's all this with airlines in Europe selling their right sits to youngsters without jet time for ££££££'s for 200hrs worth of jet time on A320/B737 and all that. :*

Eaglejet in America and even some european providers advertising on pprune offering these same programs.

These youngsters spend so much of their life savings, if not all, and some even fall into serious debts with banks in europe just to make it into the airlines, and everyday its getting tougher.

Revnetwork nothing wrong with what I said mate, just be appreciative, even though these youngsters takeoff back to europe after a year with over 700hrs and enough experience to make their captains notice ,the fact remains we gave him a job down here typed him and paid him more than what he would dream of as a newbie on easyjet or Ryanair. :E

[GroskinTheFlyer]

Balewa, i partly agree with you. Will BA,Virgin Atlantic,Cathay,South African,etc employ me as a Nigerian with no dual citzenship, or residence permit in their operating countries with 200hours and type me? Hell no!!

But VK is doing it in Nigeria i believe because of circumstances which i will not delve in here.My only hope is that the guys will not come to PPrune after getting their hours and experience to deface Nigeria and bite the hands that fed them.:=

However, the onus is on the airlines to sponsor Nigerians for flight training.

[Shunanny]

GTF, you are correct, until vk has its cadet scheme up and running this will be the way to go. I stand to be corrected, but I believe that will be underway sooner than we think. VK is here to make money, and with their a/c underutilised due to crew shortages this might be the only way out for them:uhoh:

[BALEWA]

Lets Sponsor our Kids, there are thousands of them out there begging to fly :ugh:

When Guys, when will that day come!!!!

Just imagine, let us say 12cadets from VirginNigeria, Aerocontractos and Arik Airlines Each, thats a total of 36pilots.

Bristow and the Aero heli section could do another 8 each from their side.

Lets say training at Flightsafety for the lads, how much will that come to for each cadet all included, I'll leave that for one of our new guys here on pprune just out from training to total up for us .

I'm sure it comes to a good bargain for the airlines and the savings in the long run will be massive.

If it works out, then thats like 50 or so pilots on the ramp in less than two years, and thats not including the privately sponsored ones we get each year who till date have kept our numbers going stable thank goodness for that :D

[Revnetwork]

Balewa,
Sorry if I mis-understood your earlier post. The way it sounded to me, seemed you were making out that Branson (VK) were taking foreigners with low hours to the exclusion of Nigerians.
We all know VK needs pilots and there's not enough of them here. As Shunnany alluded to, VK have a Cadet scheme in the works for young Nigerians who should be ready on the line in 18-24 months time. VK needs pilots now!!

[aamandani]

Hey Guys...i Am From Tanzania Currently Training In The Us And Getting A Degree In Aviation..i Will Be Done By May This Year And I Am Planing On Coming Back To Tanzania And Look For Jobs..heard Virgin Atlantic In Nigeria Is Dng Alt Of Hiring With Low Hours..il B Hanvg Arnd 230 To 250 Hours Total Time With Comm Multi And Arnd 20 Hours In A Pa 44 Multi Engine Aircraft..i Was Wondering If They Would Hire Me..please Leave Sme Feedback If They Will Be Able To Hire Me Thse Hours..will Appreciate Your Help...thanks Again..

[jagunmolu]

Its really good to see yurigagarins who are percieved as part of the problem contributing rather intelligently to this new hire,train them, hire my people stuff , we hope to hear more from this latter day turncoats and apostles, wonders as they say, really never ends good luck accross the niger and beyond hmn........................the beat goes on......abi i dey crase?tufia,:eek::D

[mos33y]

ahhh...??? I don't know what the guy above me just said but any info on payscale for new f/o? is there difference in pay with 73 or 170? anyone in the know please advise.

[A340boy]

Hi everyone am new,

Lets say for example a young Nigerian boy who is dual citizen of nigeria/US has an A320 type rating with 500 hours, speaks German, french and english:). What would be your advise should he look into European or American airlines. Would it be downgrading lookin into flyin with Arik or Virgin nigeria. Since he has a modern exposure or they should make him captain soon anyways;)

[BALEWA]

A340boy, do the US government accept dual Nationality :E

[A340boy]

At least he was american born raised in nigeria for elementary and high school. he is nigerian through parents and heritage offcourse. Being born american says it all and yes the US government accepts dual citizenship. All most Everyone in american is a descendant of other place.

[NIJASEA]

A340BOY, I'm confused do you have 500hrs total time or thats just on A320, I would advise you to stay in the states as it might be more beneficial to your career to fly in the modern enviroment and forget about the backward A340 and 737NG nigerian based pilots have had to fly while awaiting more modern aircraft like the A320. Just out of curiosity does speaking German give one the right to work in europe coz i speak english and would love a job in the uk.

[A340boy]

what i can say is that i know that some airlines wouldn't mind multilingual crew since it would be beneficial for the working environment, who would be able to have right of abode in the EU. example is SWISS International Airlines, and LH. Switzerland's national language is four as the name suggest Suisse, Schweiz, Svizzera,and svizra. French, Swiss German (different from austrian and deutschlands german.), Italian and Romanisch(Spoken by 2% of the swiss population). LX is getting its A332 replaced with A333 startin from next year.
I have close to 500 on the A320. am very very young, mid 20s maybe i may try for VS, so i can pilot their A340-300/600.I know they wouldn't mind a western nigerian like me;) since nigerian standard would be too low for me:p. So NIJASEA i suggest u to learn another language just to make your resume more interesting.
My dream would have been LH because of mixed fleet flying A330-300, A340-300/600. But because of niaja friends in the UK VS is an option .

[jagunmolu]

My dear youngman i dont know where you are coming from but since pprune also allows for jokers and clowns i suggest you look for another subhead/thread to exhibit your comedy.Becos you speak foreign languages gives you a captains voting rights in <underdeveloped>NIGERIA Weldone the airspace awaits you 340Yurigagarin,PLEASE take your roadshow someplace else :suspect::suspect::{

[A340boy]

My bad i didn't mean to offend anyone:uhoh:. I never meant nigeria was underdeveloped am just sayin the aircraft most nigerian pilots are familiar with are the Dash, and B737. Just wonderin if any Nig carrier would ever get to by Airbuses to attract talents.:). No offense

[jagunmolu]

TOPGUN/340 I DID NOT MEAN TO SCARE OR INTIMIDATE YOU, ONLY TRIED TO RECHANNEL YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS,WELCOME TO THE OPEN SKIES OF NAIJA, IF ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR NON/NIGERIANS IT SURE IS GOOD FOR YOU,ALL THE BEST:ok: THE SKY IS YOURS

[SherpaDriver]

You seem to be proud of the fact that you are multi-lingual and maybe rightfully so. But the last time I checked, the standard ICAO language of aviation is still English so being bi-lingual, tri-lingual, multi-lingual or cunni-lingual ;) is a nice skill to have, but unless you are completely fluent in those other languages, in your future aviation path I would not recommend you try and showcase your skills by talking to a foreign air traffic controller in a language you think you know, when ATC might assume you have a mastery of that language and will start to give you instructions you might misinterpret (you know how it is when you try and walk and chew gum at the same time..or in this case fly and chew gum). :eek:
Such a mistake could be a recipe for disaster which is why ICAO tries to standardize communication procedures by making English the language of choice. No offense to you, but I have to say that after reading some of your previous posts and trying to decipher your thought process by the way you arrange your written words, you might want to focus on mastering the English language first before embarking on other ventures.:confused: If you've got heavy jet time in the Airbus and you're confident in your ability then go out and do big things in the world of aviation..don't settle. The Nigerian aviation community is under no obligation to conform to your needs so if you feel the need to malign them then take your gripe elsewhere...I can say with some degree of confidence that the contributors to this thread aren't too sympathetic to guys who put down the aviation accomplishments in Nigeria...but thats just my $0.02 cents.:D
By the way this goes out to the masses; I interviewed with Virgin Nigeria at Gatwick ten days ago and our group was told to expect a yes or no email by Feb 8th on whether we're invited back for round two in the simulator...its been a quiet ten days. Does anyone who has interviewed with them and gotten a call back for the sim have a timeline to expect from the first interview to a call for the second?

[Ray D'Avecta]

Sherpa Driver,

you might want to focus on mastering the English language first before embarking on other ventures

.......:ok:

....and, congrats on getting the call for the VN sim. Hope it all goes well.:D

[SherpaDriver]

One day after I had I put out my previous post inquiring if anyone had heard any results back from the VN interviews from last week, I received an acknowledgement email from VN that I had made it through the first round of the interview process and could expect to be contacted with an invitation for the simulator assessment in the UK. :)

[bountykilla]

Any Updates !!!!

[kingtiger88]

anybody know if VN still needs First Officers....

[stue]

I sent an application form off about a month ago and last week got an email asking if I could go for an interview. I’ve said yes but not been told where or when yet, so not too sure? It might be worth sending in an application form in though.

http://www.virginnigeria.com/en/ng/jobs/Flight_Deck_Application.pdf is the link to all the info. :ok:

[flyincanuck]

Coincidentally, I sent my CV in last night. Are you a Nigerian national, or foreign? Any idea on what equiment their hiring for?

[VortexGen300]

Any idea of what they pay FO roughly

VG300

[stue]

No, I’m from the UK. Like I said though, I haven’t heard anything back yet. I’m not really too sure on what they are hiring for either? No idea on the pay side too? So your guess is as good as mine really........

Good luck though!:ok:

[biggles34]

Hi Stue

I am from UK also and I have been invited for an interview. also still waiting to hear about the venu and times.

Any Idea what the interview process entails?

Many thanks
Biggles34